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[Ballers]

Incidentally, both times this season we've had a full back sent off we've gone on to lose 0-4.

Much like Threesome getting sent off for handball at Kiddy in the Trophy and us getting whupped 0-5 cos of it.

[AltyTunnelSteward]

I have stayed out of any real debate on this matter since Saturday so as not to be accused of blind pro referee bias etc. and also as a consequence of comments made to me on Saturday.

As I have indicated I didn't see either challenge on Saturday but have since spoken to somebody who did, an experienced former Level 2 Referee. In his view the Sending off was marginal - worse than a yellow card but maybe not worthy of a red ( the sort of challenge that would warrant an Orange card were that possible) He said that a significant contributor may have been the angle Mr Joyce saw the challenge from and the way he percieved Shaun having gone into the challenge (what was his iintent I assume).

The R& D player's Yellow was a text book yellow card being reckless rather than likely to endanger an opponent (Not my assessment I reiterate)

As for Saturdays Ref being the worst seen I would like to remain those experienced enough of the performance of a Referee from Oldham by the name of Gary Shaw who sent off 3 Alty players in one home match against, I believe Slough (Mr Cult may be able to confirm this)

is he working off the ian hulme theory? robbie left the field wth a neck injury (so must have been a bad collision to cause that) as for there player he was in more danger by the way he was throwing himself around on the floor.

The assessment of whether a challenge is reckless or dangerous (i.e. likely to endanger an opponent) can be as much down to how the challenge is intended as to how it ends up (i.e. the 'damage' to the opponent)

I reiterate again that I saw neither challenge therefore cannot comment but am trying to "part the fog" over how some of these decisions MAY be arrived at.

BTW those as old as I will recall the career of one Dave Serella being ended by him turning his ankle going to retrieve a ball to take a throw in. The injury resulting from an incident can sometimes be entirely disproportionate the the circumstances causing that injury.

I AM NOT (for the benefit of certain parties) DEFENDING ANY DECISION(S) MADE ON SATURDAY. 

[brisbane_alty]

I was making a very rare visit to Altrincham and was therefore really looking forward to this game. As somebody who gets to see an average of one game every 2 seasons, I was so disappointed that the referee destroyed any prospect of a contest. My view was that Densmore should have been booked; I didn't think the Rushden lad merited a red card for his challenge, but if the referee was going to apply consistency in his decision making them he had to show a red; and their first goal came after a clear foul on the keeper. As a result, my afternoon's entertainment was ruined, and no doubt it was the same for about 900 other people.

Oh well, I hope we don't get the same idiot when I next make it over for a game.

[wayno]

I was making a very rare visit to Altrincham and was therefore really looking forward to this game. As somebody who gets to see an average of one game every 2 seasons, I was so disappointed that the referee destroyed any prospect of a contest. My view was that Densmore should have been booked; I didn't think the Rushden lad merited a red card for his challenge, but if the referee was going to apply consistency in his decision making them he had to show a red; and their first goal came after a clear foul on the keeper. As a result, my afternoon's entertainment was ruined, and no doubt it was the same for about 900 other people.

Oh well, I hope we don't get the same idiot when I next make it over for a game.

This is an excellent post and really sums it all up

[TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe]

As for Saturdays Ref being the worst seen I would like to remain those experienced enough of the performance of a Referee from Oldham by the name of Gary Shaw who sent off 3 Alty players in one home match against, I believe Slough (Mr Cult may be able to confirm this)

Phil,

Great minds think alike, eh?
Mr Joyce's abysmal display last Saturday also prompted me to recollect the infamous Gary Shaw from Oldham and his Moss Lane refereeing nightmare all those years ago...

Saturday, 13th January 1996   
GM Vauxhall Conference
Altrincham...0
Slough Town...1

In surely the most incompetent exhibition of refereeing ever witnessed at Moss Lane, Mister Shaw managed to send off four players in what was a humdrum game (until he began his disciplinary meltdown!).

I can't recall the name of the player from Slough who was dismissed but three Alty players received a red card that afternoon: Barry Butler, Mark Hughes and Greg Challender.

A few days after this match, a friend was speaking to someone who actually knew Gary Shaw and he confided that Mister Shaw had declared that he would not be setting foot in Altrincham ever again for his own personal safety! 

[AltyTunnelSteward]

As for Saturdays Ref being the worst seen I would like to remain those experienced enough of the performance of a Referee from Oldham by the name of Gary Shaw who sent off 3 Alty players in one home match against, I believe Slough (Mr Cult may be able to confirm this)

Phil,

Great minds think alike, eh?
Mr Joyce's abysmal display last Saturday also prompted me to recollect the infamous Gary Shaw from Oldham and his Moss Lane refereeing nightmare all those years ago...

Saturday, 13th January 1996   
GM Vauxhall Conference
Altrincham...0
Slough Town...1

In surely the most incompetent exhibition of refereeing ever witnessed at Moss Lane, Mister Shaw managed to send off four players in what was a humdrum game (until he began his disciplinary meltdown!).

I can't recall the name of the player from Slough who was dismissed but three Alty players received a red card that afternoon: Barry Butler, Mark Hughes and Greg Challender.

A few days after this match, a friend was speaking to someone who actually knew Gary Shaw and he confided that Mister Shaw had declared that he would not be setting foot in Altrincham ever again for his own personal safety! 

What was more scary about Mr Shaw was that he was convinced that he was the best Referee on the Panl at the time and said so several times. He did however demand that four stewards stand outside his dressing room door and escort him to his Car

[Cheadle Hulme Alty]

Only talking about Shaw's performance with Alan B at half time on Saturday. My mate was on the line that day and I went as his guest and he'd obviously warned me before the game as to what a prat Shaw was. He actually arrived about half an hour after he should have done and arrogantly dismissed it but the most puzzling thing of all was that he said to his old fella when he went to get changed, "if there's any trouble after the game I'll see you at the car". It struck me as really strange at the time as there was no history between the clubs and it wasn't expected to be a battle or anything.