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Mrs Warbouys

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RIP Tommy Banks
« on: June 13, 2024, 10:41:42 PM »

One of the very few that played for both Altrincham and the England national
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #1 on: June 14, 2024, 09:49:20 AM »

I have some great memories of Tommy, a no nonsense defender.

RIP fella. Condolences to your family and friends.
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2024, 11:22:44 AM »

Hadn't heard of him before so went straight to Wiki and learnt some really interesting facts.

He played in the 1958 World Cup in Sweden as a result of the death or Roger Byrne in the Munich Air Disaster. This was Pele's first world cup. England were in the same group as Brasil, USSR and Austria and drew all 3 games...from wiki it seems that this group was a "group of death"...

"Despite the disappointments of the previous tournaments, Brazil were considered extremely powerful, as would prove to be the case. The Soviet Union were the 1956 Olympic champions and Austria had won the bronze medal in the 1954 World Cup in Switzerland, four years earlier. And although England, weakened by the loss of several players at the Munich air disaster, were not considered at their very best, they were still always a formidable team.....The quality of the football in this group did not quite live up to expectations, however. Only 15 goals were scored in the whole group, only one more than Group 3. And when England and Brazil drew 0?0, it was the first time in World Cup history that a game ended goalless. It was also the first time Brazil had failed to score in a World Cup finals match."

As England finished on exact same points and goals as USSR this went to a play off which England lost 1-0. But it must have been a pretty decent England side to hold the ultimate winners to a 0-0 draw. England were the only side in the tournament not to lose to Brasil.

It sounds like Alty were lucky to get such an accomplished defender, albeit for only 2 years. Can any of our elder members recount what that Alty team was like? Were these good years for the club?
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2024, 02:32:49 PM »

Hadn't heard of him before so went straight to Wiki and learnt some really interesting facts.

He played in the 1958 World Cup in Sweden as a result of the death or Roger Byrne in the Munich Air Disaster. This was Pele's first world cup. England were in the same group as Brasil, USSR and Austria and drew all 3 games...from wiki it seems that this group was a "group of death"...

"Despite the disappointments of the previous tournaments, Brazil were considered extremely powerful, as would prove to be the case. The Soviet Union were the 1956 Olympic champions and Austria had won the bronze medal in the 1954 World Cup in Switzerland, four years earlier. And although England, weakened by the loss of several players at the Munich air disaster, were not considered at their very best, they were still always a formidable team.....The quality of the football in this group did not quite live up to expectations, however. Only 15 goals were scored in the whole group, only one more than Group 3. And when England and Brazil drew 0?0, it was the first time in World Cup history that a game ended goalless. It was also the first time Brazil had failed to score in a World Cup finals match."

As England finished on exact same points and goals as USSR this went to a play off which England lost 1-0. But it must have been a pretty decent England side to hold the ultimate winners to a 0-0 draw. England were the only side in the tournament not to lose to Brasil.

It sounds like Alty were lucky to get such an accomplished defender, albeit for only 2 years. Can any of our elder members recount what that Alty team was like? Were these good years for the club?

The Alty team then had Freddy Pye as manager who was (if memory serves) a scrap metal merchant. Along with chairmen Noel White and Pete Swales (who ran a record shop in Altrincham). It was a very good period for the club. I had the privilege at this time of being Altys mascot.  Other players around this period  were Bobby English, Ray Perry, George Greenhall, Derek Halliwell , Freddie Taberner. along of course with Tommy Banks. It was a good time to support Alty back then and back in those days the mascot went to the away games as well.
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2024, 11:41:37 AM »

I also recall a story that you told Ray about him telling people that they'd get gravel rash if they tried to get past him
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2024, 12:24:17 PM »

I also recall a story that you told Ray about him telling people that they'd get gravel rash if they tried to get past him

Yep that is correct Mick, he didn?t mess about if you skipped past him he would make sure you wouldnt do it for a second time. I believe he was also partly responsible for footballers of his era getting a decent wage.
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2024, 08:33:56 AM »

I wonder if the club will acknowledge the sad deaths of Tommy Banks and Barry Butler, or are they too busy selling season tickets, pre season friendly tickets and telling us the club shop is open
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2024, 10:41:51 AM »

Well said Sir. 👍
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2024, 01:55:20 PM »

I wonder if the club will acknowledge the sad deaths of Tommy Banks and Barry Butler, or are they too busy selling season tickets, pre seaso
n friendly tickets and telling us the club shop is open

That's a very pertinent observation and, alas, fair criticism.

Perhaps they need to advertise a job description for the club's new official 'Obituary Process Manager and Bereavement Recognition Liaison Consultant'?
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Re: RIP Tommy Banks
« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2024, 11:05:07 AM »

I think that if we're going to start announcing every player that passes from now on we'll have a very stale feed for other reasons (not that these shop are open and such posts don't bore me to tears).

We have an end of year roll call to respect all our lost over the previous year.

I'm far more astounded the quiet way that lifelong volunteers of the club have missed recognition.

Probably an unpopular opinion, but we're only at the start of what will be a fast oncoming wave of lost former players as we reach the modern era and larger squads sadly losing players. Are we going to expect someone to pen a note respecting Brian Kilclines passing? What about Marc Jacobs? Lutel James? Lee Hendley maybe? What becomes the threshold for this?

This is a genuine question not just the poking of those upset by this I feel I should clarify on a subject so charged.
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