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[Mick]

 

[Hugh]

Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459

f**king great innit? bye bye freedom. 16,000 now apparently so bye bye  Notts (unless it's based on crowds not capacity) unless our overlords grow a back bone

[Hugh]

Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question

Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks 

Bang on the money, and I'm seriously worried about next season - as I have been for some time.

[Hugh]

Vaccination doesn't completely prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on, but it significantly reduces the chance of doing so, and, particularly of getting a serious or fatal case.

As an inclusive club, we should really be encouraging as many people as possible to be vaccinated, as not all can be, in order to ensure that more vulnerable supporters can be protected.   I don't believe we should insist on vaccine passports, however, precisely  as not everyone can be vaccinated even if they would like to be.

I  really can't take anti-vaxxers seriously when hypocrites like the right wing journalist Peter Hitchens and the presenters on Fox News in the States rail against vaccines while quietly ensuring they are themselves vaccinated.

No bricks thrown.

The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission, they may reduce symptoms - which would mean people would be more likely to socialise when otherwise they'd stay at home.

Latest  data suggests that  they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths, and quite a lot of people have died from them, but of course you won't have seen that, after all, the BBC apparently has a policy of not giving any air time to people who question them.

The rumour is that the elite get placebos

I see the politics is still alive and well so don't start, London.

[Hugh]

By the  UK government  statistics  (I know) there have been around 129,000 deaths from 5,470,000 cases. That's around a 97.5% survival rate, while other people will have had serious and potentially long-term illnesses. It's high, but a good bit less than 99.9+%.


Sorry if you didn't like the term "anti-vaxxers" for people opposed to vaccinations, who I notice had a violent protest yesterday in London. I thought "medical apartheid" was pretty strong too.

Bricks was just a comment on Mick's last line.

There's no positive discrimination, just discriminaton.

129,000 deaths with, only some of these of. Only idiots think all these would still be alive without this particular bug. 68,000 excess deaths last year, deaths are below average for this year. Of course a lot may die this winter but it won't be because of the minority of people who don't get these injections (which is what they may well tell you.)

Where were you when police brutality was being used against smaller groups of protesters in London during winter, including women (apparently to provoke a reaction)? And how do you expect people to react when they are being treated like second class cirizens? 10% doesn't matter? what, reeally?

[Hugh]

Thanks Sale for the info......agree with most of your response.

Not going to get into a lengthy debate because I think VPs will be defeated in the courts as they are discriminatory and enforce segregation at events based on vaccine status.....hence my term earlier......but just a final point.

Colleague at work, 28, had covid at Christmas (me too) and was in bed quite unwell for 4 days. It was a surprise because he is a semi-pro cage fighter and as fit as you get. A right hard ba$tard, whereas I felt a bit run down and I am nearly 55. He got his first jab and he was even worse, so he is not getting his second jab because he believes he has antibodies and does not want to risk another week off work without pay......I know you agree, but if anyone thinks this is ok, is it right he cannot attend a nightclub or possibly a RL match at Warrington or eventually visit a pub.

Whatever the club might encourage, I would hope they would be against discrimination. 12% of adults have not had these "vaccines" with everyone offered them now, so it is likely to be millions who will not take them for love nor money, including disproportionate numbers of some minority groups. Hopefully this apartheid will be defeated.

[Sale Holmfield]

Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic),  as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials,  at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?

[One Foot in the Grave]

Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic),  as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials,  at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?

Bedtime....phone....mute....end of !

[CB]

Experimental jabs, mention of the 'elite'. 

Never mind vaccinations Hugh, I think you're missing your tin hat. Nutter.

[HashtagAlty]

Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic),  as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials,  at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?

In all my years on the forum, I've yet to revive a notification for this forum.

[Sale Holmfield]

Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic),  as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials,  at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?

In all my years on the forum, I've yet to revive a notification for this forum.

I didn't get any notification for the later posts, but I did for Hugh's, oddly eenough. You have to consciously turn them on for a particular post.

[Sale Holmfield]

Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic),  as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials,  at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?

Bedtime....phone....mute....end of !

Fair point. I could sleep through one, but when four or five come in quick succession....

[Is this it?]

1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'

2) 'Latest  data suggests that  they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'

3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'

Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.

[CRT Butty]

1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'

2) 'Latest  data suggests that  they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'

3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'

Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.

Thank you.

[RolfGoad]

I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.