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[alty.fc]

Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459

[One Foot in the Grave]

Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459

20,000 ? Might apply at Edgeley Park or Meadow Lane, but we're safe.

[CRT Butty]

How do you prove that? Those two bits of card with the batch details on? Hmmm. Right. Yeah.

[alty.fc]

How do you prove that? Those two bits of card with the batch details on? Hmmm. Right. Yeah.

it's done through the app now the cards are not accepted.

[JD]

Buggered if you don't have smart phones.

Buggered if you had your jabs in Scotland as they don't give certification for this!

Amazing how the goalposts have moved on these restrictions!!!!

[viennaalty]

Works perfectly well already in Austria…you can have an app on your phone with a QR code which can then be scanned and checked. I used mine for the first time today to enter the swimming baths.
Those who don’t have a smart phone just receive a letter with the QR code and can use that. The QR code system is being used EU wide, no reason why it can’t work in the UK too.

[Mick]

Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question

Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks 

[JD]

Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question

Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks 

 

[Sale Holmfield]

Vaccination doesn't completely prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on, but it significantly reduces the chance of doing so, and, particularly of getting a serious or fatal case.

As an inclusive club, we should really be encouraging as many people as possible to be vaccinated, as not all can be, in order to ensure that more vulnerable supporters can be protected.   I don't believe we should insist on vaccine passports, however, precisely  as not everyone can be vaccinated even if they would like to be.

I  really can't take anti-vaxxers seriously when hypocrites like the right wing journalist Peter Hitchens and the presenters on Fox News in the States rail against vaccines while quietly ensuring they are themselves vaccinated.

No bricks thrown.

[JD]

The term "Anti-vaxxers" is thrown around far too easily. I have had my vaccs, but, with the vaccine unproven (tell me the long term effects) no one should be forced or coerced into taking it - notwithstanding the international laws that breaks.

With a 99.9+% survival rate before the vaccines we are heading towards overkill. The vulnerable (I am one) have been protected as much as is possible). After all, back in January we were told we would lose restrictions once the vulnerable were jabbed - now we are jabbing the fit and healthy who have all but zero risk of even getting symptoms!

Me? I've had my jabs, but because I had them in Scotland, have no way of proving that!

Bricks?

[Sale Holmfield]

By the  UK government  statistics  (I know) there have been around 129,000 deaths from 5,470,000 cases. That's around a 97.5% survival rate, while other people will have had serious and potentially long-term illnesses. It's high, but a good bit less than 99.9+%.


Sorry if you didn't like the term "anti-vaxxers" for people opposed to vaccinations, who I notice had a violent protest yesterday in London. I thought "medical apartheid" was pretty strong too.

Bricks was just a comment on Mick's last line.

[hsmith1]

you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.

[JD]

you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.

Not in Scotland.



Meanwhile...deaths within 28 days of a positive test from testing kits condemned by the WHO, withdrawn in the USA, Portugal (depending on the kit) which means you can have recovered before dying of something else, run over by a bus, killed in a motorbike accident, fallen off a ladder (all cases I personally know of).

The 129k deaths WITH - no of - (actually a figure which has already been reduced) is over 2 years so actual excess deaths is no more that a bad flu year (ONS).
As someone of high risk I have been a keyworker throughout this and fear the effects of lockdown (est 560k deaths according to Prof Phillip Thomas, Bristol Uni who has carried out the ONLY risk assessment) and, as the vaccs reduce the risk by 90-95% for those at risk - and I am not an anti-vaxxer as I have had the vaccs - so we have done far more than the governments initially asked us to do - especially as Covid will NEVER disappear!

My advice would be if you are still scared don't go out.

[Mick]

Thanks Sale for the info......agree with most of your response.

Not going to get into a lengthy debate because I think VPs will be defeated in the courts as they are discriminatory and enforce segregation at events based on vaccine status.....hence my term earlier......but just a final point.

Colleague at work, 28, had covid at Christmas (me too) and was in bed quite unwell for 4 days. It was a surprise because he is a semi-pro cage fighter and as fit as you get. A right hard ba$tard, whereas I felt a bit run down and I am nearly 55. He got his first jab and he was even worse, so he is not getting his second jab because he believes he has antibodies and does not want to risk another week off work without pay......I know you agree, but if anyone thinks this is ok, is it right he cannot attend a nightclub or possibly a RL match at Warrington or eventually visit a pub.

[Sale Holmfield]

Without getting into the wider debate, I agree it's all pretty academic, as I don't think they will get through Parliament, let alone the courts, and they are not currently aimed at clubs of our size, anyway, although that could change, of course.