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Dour game.....think we mustered two shots on goal. They scored from our corner.
Offered nothing upfront with that long ball....could play til midnight and not score. Missing Linney !
Hope Isaac OK and injury doesn't ruin his England debut

Other positives....
Did not get wet.
Pitch held up....especially goal area we kicking towards.
An amusing (sometimes annoying) bunch of young jocks....no idea what that was about.

Quote from: Wilmslow Alty on February 08, 2024, 02:53:25 PM

Quote from: Mick on February 08, 2024, 01:12:26 PM

Quote from: Amsterdam Alty on February 08, 2024, 11:19:48 AM

Big disadvantage we have is we do not own the land. Some clubs did and it financed their new home.

I may be wrong on this but my understanding is that, although we don't own the freehold, we do own the lease on the land. Is this not similar to owning a leasehold house or flat? i.e. You pay an annual ground rent to the freeholder (TMBC) but you can still freely sell the leasehold property for only slightly less than it would fetch as a freehold.

There is a sporting covenant on it, so I think it renders the land nearly useless for resale.

With dwellings I think you are correct.....leasehold properties change hands for market value and the new owner continues to pay the freeholder.

I would say with a football ground things are different. For example who wants to buy a lease along with a football ground to then continue to use it as a football ground...the number of potential buyers has to be severely limited.

The lease is not worthless though, because let us say TMBC wanted to sell the land to a property developer (yet more apartments and community tax to waste), then they would need to negotiate the purchase of the lease. I think this is what happened when the Chequers car park was sold for housing.

Sporting covenents these days seem to be no longer a cast in stone guarantee that the land can only be used for sport and more an inconvenient obstacle that the landowner can eventually overcome. I know of an athletics ground with a covenant that was sold for housing (despite local protest groups) and 'some' of the profits were used to help fund the building of a nearby leisure centre.

Quote from: Mick on February 06, 2024, 11:09:46 PM

Quote from: Amsterdam Alty on February 06, 2024, 07:23:30 PM

We need a bigger solution than just fixing the pitch.

Trafford Council should have been bending over backwards to bring Sale home, now is the time more than ever with a future football league club in the borough.

The new hybrid turfs that are at old Trafford, Wembley etc. can easily handle the rigours of rugby and football.

Time to get serious about a new home. It's already not going to happen overnight.

Do not disagree if a genuine cost / benefit analysis proves to be positive....otherwise, why should Community Tax payers support private sports clubs ?

Who said the Council fund it? They just need to show some willing to make it happen. They have been the core issue with every attempt that has been made by Sale to both stay (Heywood Road development) and to come back (Fletcher Moss Proposal being the most recent)

The idea behind it being a dual-team venue is how it can be funded... There are Billionaire owners at both teams at this point.

We build a 15,000 seat stadium with two on-site training facilities a la Carrington and Edgerton for both teams. They are available for the community each evening and for schools on schedule in the day.

We've no chance of staying at Moss Lane, we had issues getting locals on board for improved floodlights that reduced the light leak onto their houses. Does anyone honestly think they will stand for major stand builds on their doorstep?

To the out-of-town argument, York moved out of town and gained 1500 new fans...

Stadium that holds 15k is way more than likely needed......Morecambe, Accrington, Salford, Harrogate and Barrow all struggle to reach 3k in L2. In L1, Fleetwood, Port Vale and Burton struggle to get 4k.......Do enough improvements to keep ML safe and legal, improve facilities and worry about a new stadium if we looking like advancing to the Championship.

As for getting Trafford on-board, then no idea how we do this. I have complained about the pavements outside the old snooker centre pounding water and decomposed leaves, forcing pedestrians to step into the road on match days, only to be told it still meets their safety criteria.... .....when I reminded them that I was talking to the same TMBC who closed our ground due to some crumbly concrete on the terraces....they told me that money was in short supply and that they need to prioritise their spending across many competing issues.....if their dealings with the club are as helpful as their dealings with community tax payers, then we have no chance

off

Anyone any ideas when it may take place....trying to book a few days away and need to avoid clash

I believe we are in contact with Bodge it and Scarper about them sorting it foc

Bodgit and Scarper built my house.....under the guises of Taylor Wimpey.....let me know if we find them

Quote from: Mick on January 23, 2024, 09:46:01 PM

Quote from: HashtagAlty on January 23, 2024, 09:30:49 PM

Quote from: Wilmslow Alty on January 23, 2024, 05:34:07 PM

How bad is the debt? Likely to be recouped with promotoin?

Despite big cup runs its multi millions.

How do you know this Hashtag.....what is your source ?.....Accounts are not public....or speculation based on wage bill

Chesterfield's accounts are in the public domain, they are legally known as CFC 2001 Ltd and on Companies House. A quick look at the most recent accounts for 2021/2 showed they lost about £2.4m but a share issue and probable writing off of debts has made them solvent. Will be interesting to see where they are up to as of last summer when the accounts are published.

Thanks.
They lost a lot of money then....but that does not necessarily mean they are millions in debt.....if losses fully covered with no strings attached..which I believe is the case.
BTW our accounts are not dissimilar recently, albeit not in the same magnitude regards losses.

Interesting to see how it pans out then at Chesterfield.

That's interesting Saughall Robin. I was monitoring them during the Covid seasons. They were pleading poverty and applied for a a grant rather than a loan during the second round of handouts.
Maybe the local money men have come on board since then. 

Looking at The Shay, you would think that the infrastructure is there to do well. We are doing well despite the infrastructure!

They had a local money man in Dave Allen....ex Sheff Weds owner....he is a multi millionaire  who runs casinos and dog tracks.....hmmmm. He withdrew his backing after a fall out and the club went from the L1 playoffs to almost ConfN as a result.The club is now owned by a Community Trust and run by committee.
They did well during covid....they won an insurance claim having been seemingly insured against any losses during a pandemic.
No idea if they in a good or dire financial position. I have a friend within the club who insists the former. What I do know is they will challenge for a second promotion next season