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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Shaymen may need a new home
« on: January 22, 2024, 06:51:12 PM »

Worrying times for us. Best case scenario would be council to give lease to an independent not for profit trust, with representation from both clubs on the trust committee. Majority of fans do not want the clubs to be in control of the stadium outright. Our council has prioritised the piece hall and are willing to underwrite that to ridiculous amounts of money. While they don't do anything to promote The shay at all, or get more use out of it. If they are actually tried harder, they could probably easily recoup the 161,000 they say they are losing per year on the shay, compared to the millions annually they invest in the piece hall.



Yes, but The Piece Hall has got both Debbie Harry and Grace Jones appearing there this year, whereas The Shay can only offer Luke Summerfield and Festus Arthur...   

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Southend Match Thread
« on: January 19, 2024, 07:15:23 PM »

Am down in Essex now and air temperature is barely above freezing and clear skies so likely a heavy frost again tonight on top if what already seems pretty frozen
Is there any indication of the time of any pitch inspection ?
Suspect it will need to be early to allow notice to be given to us travelling fans



Strongly worded statement:

https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/pitch-inspection-at-southend-tomorrow-morning

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Chesterfield Match Thread
« on: January 16, 2024, 09:55:33 PM »


We really have to hope that Ross isn't out of action for a prolonged period. He is so important for us and I feel that he would have saved Banks' shot which put them 1-0 up.

Didn't deserve to lose that one. Chesterfield were simply more clinical than us when presented with a chance, and it was written in the stars that Berry would score.

At least there's always the FA Trophy.
Oh.....


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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Kidderminster (FA Trophy) Match Thread
« on: January 13, 2024, 07:09:52 PM »


What really hurts regarding today's elimination from the FA Trophy is that Parkinson has repeatedly talked about how he values the competition and also his desire to go one better than last year's bitter exit at the hands of FC Halifax Town.

With today's team selection, he then proceeds to contradict himself.

Disrespectful to the competition and, particularly, those 250+ Alty supporters who had travelled down to Worcestershire to attend this afternoon's match.

Some people seem to be overstating the ostensible importance of Tuesday evening's match at Chesterfield. It's hardly a title-decider and the outcome there will not determine the evolution of our season.

I never thought that I would see the day when the club looked down its nose at the FA Trophy. Perhaps it's a generational thing, but I find that both sad and difficult to stomach.   

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Horwich RMI in the (4th?) qualifying round that led to the Gateshead and Everton games.  We made it to the Gateshead game and the Everton replay.



Simon,

That 4-0 home victory over Horwich RMI in the FA Cup Fourth Qualifying Round took place on Saturday, 20th October 1973. The goalscorers were Lennie Dickinson, Graham Heathcote, John Owens and Joe Pritchard.

That was actually the season prior to Alty progressing to that unforgettable FA Cup Third Round tie versus Everton.

After overcoming Horwich RMI, we defeated Hartlepool 2-0 at Moss Lane and then bowed out of the competition after two games against Blackburn Rovers.
   

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: I wonder if these two lads are still fans?
« on: January 11, 2024, 07:39:59 PM »


Jonathan Wall went on to become the Controller of BBC Radio 5 Live and I believe that he is now the Director of BBC Sounds:

https://uk.linkedin.com/in/jonathan-wall-84aa4b92

He's definitely still an Alty fan. I think that he posts on this forum under the name 'Wilmslow Alty'...?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Halifax away
« on: January 01, 2024, 05:12:14 PM »

Kosylo was a disgrace today. If he can't moderate his behaviour when he's being heckled by his ex-team's fans, then he's not suitable for this level of football. He was a red card waiting to happen and should have been replaced at half time.



Totally agree. His first booking was the result of moronic behaviour and his inevitable second yellow card was simply the action of an imbecile. He looks well past his best these days and it's time he was moved on.

However, why on earth Parkinson didn't substitute him at half-time remains an enigma and that bewildering decision almost cost us dearly.

As for the game, it was pretty poor fare. Both sides were guilty of missing a gilt-edged chance, with Linney making a total hash of his first-half opportunity.

Conn-Clarke not at the races and departed rather petulantly.

Credit to Marriott for another dynamic performance, but I thought that Ross was easily our best player.

 

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
« on: December 26, 2023, 07:58:55 PM »

 
Would be nice to find out, how long Donawa, E Jones and J Jones are out for?



I believe that Eddy Jones said on Radio Robins this afternoon that his injury is relatively minor and he aims to be back in action in a couple of weeks.

I've heard that James Jones has an injury which requires surgery.

No idea whatsoever regarding Donowa's disappearance. Has he been lost in the Bermuda Triangle...?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Boxing Day Match Thread
« on: December 26, 2023, 07:09:38 PM »

Well, that was abject. Easily our worst performance of the season, to my eyes.

We managed merely three shots on target, and the first of those didn't arrive until the 74th minute. The other two came in additional time.

You just got a sense that the players were not comfortable with whatever system we were set up to play. The absence of two key individuals simply served to illustrate that the depth of our squad was found wanting.

Halifax were sharper, better organised and fully warranted their victory.

I do wonder whether Ross' mobility had been hampered by Michael Cheek clattering him in the ribs during that second half at Bromley. That opening goal looked like rather a soft one to concede and was redolent of some of Byrne's mishaps last season.

Amaluzor looked totally off the pace; Kosylo was fortunate not to be sent off for a dreadful challenge; Conn-Clarke and Newby struggled to impose themselves on the game and Dackers failed to impress, once again (he doesn't merit his starting place, in my view, and it looks as if he might have peaked 14 minutes into his debut).

I think that I would have quietly retired that man of the match award today!

The sole consolation was the attendance of in excess of 3,900 (without the massive away following of a Stockport or Wrexham).

An afternoon to banish from the memory.   

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Bromley (A) Match Thread
« on: December 23, 2023, 08:28:34 PM »
No Eddie Jones!

Whats up with Eddie ?



No idea what the issue is, but he will reportedly be absent for four weeks.

What's the collective noun for a trio of injured Joneses...?


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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Halifax (A) Match Thread
« on: December 13, 2023, 07:11:18 PM »


Our successful 1978 FA Trophy campaign began with a 0-0 away draw.

And that came after we had lost at the Semi-Final stage during the previous season.

Just saying...


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Altrincham FC First Team / CEO has gone already. Q&A postponed.
« on: December 05, 2023, 04:35:26 PM »



https://altrinchamfc.com/blogs/news/chief-executive-john-williams-leaves-alty


He didn't even manage to last six months with us!

"New endeavours", apparently.

Perhaps he has got a new Star Wars soundtrack to compose?

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Rochdale Match Thread
« on: November 22, 2023, 06:16:23 PM »


The grim footage (devoid of all of those first-half glitches on the National League TV streaming service):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5re_YdHxdg

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Rochdale Match Thread
« on: November 21, 2023, 10:13:31 PM »

Of all the teams against whom to offer up such an abject performance. That was unforgiveably substandard.

That's Rochdale's first clean sheet since August.

Sithole looked totally out of his depth. Why on earth wasn't he withdrawn at half-time?

Newby was utterly lightweight and Amaluzor was equally ineffective (he appeared to give the ball away in the build-up to Rochdale's opening goal, but the unreliable and stuttering stream made the first half difficult to follow).

Some woeful defending for their goals, too.

I have to say that I didn't think it was a penalty. Conn-Clarke duly lost out to the keeper's mind games though.

We are trying to walk the ball into the net and what's with all of these entirely unproductive short corners?

The solitary consolation was that Kosylo got a few minutes under his belt.

The last two matches have been a reality check.

 

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Altrincham FC First Team / Re: Rochdale Match Thread
« on: November 20, 2023, 06:01:24 PM »

It does go on a bit.....but for those who may be interested, here's my account of that 1980 Football League re-election farce from an Alty viewpoint, as printed in an issue of the Robins Review back in April 2011:



WHEN WE WERE KINGS:
ALTY IN THE APL 1979/80

PART 49: YEARS OF REFUSAL



On Wednesday, 7th May 1980, just four days after Alty had secured the inaugural Alliance Premier League (APL) title via their memorable 2-0 triumph at Gravesend & Northfleet, the Football League Management Committee visited Moss Lane in order to undertake an additional ground inspection.

Two days later, Altrincham FC received official confirmation that Moss Lane had attained the mandatory ‘A’ grading for membership of the Football League and, therefore, they were now authorised to proceed as the sole Non League club nominated for election to the Fourth Division at the League’s forthcoming AGM.

The Football League’s AGM was scheduled to be held at the Café Royal, Regent Street, Piccadilly, London on Friday, 6th June 1980, a date that the Robins’ Chairman, Noel White, had termed as Altrincham FC’s very own D-Day. The quartet of Fourth Division clubs who had finished the 1979/80 season in the designated relegation zone and, thus, were obliged to apply for re-election to the Football League comprised: Hereford United (21st position on 36 points); Darlington (22nd spot with 35 points); Crewe Alexandra (23rd place on 35 points) and Rochdale (24th position with a meagre total of 27 points).

Hereford United had only been voted into the Football League at the end of the 1971/72 season and were expected to receive ample backing for their re-election bid. Notwithstanding the fact that repeat offenders Darlington and Crewe Alexandra were both applying for re-election for the fifth time in the last 11 seasons, it was moribund Rochdale whose Football League membership was overwhelmingly adjudged to be in severe jeopardy.

The impoverished and regressive Spotland club, who were reportedly losing £2,000 per week, were entreating for their re-election for the second time in three years and had just endured an ignominious campaign, which had concluded in them being anchored to the foot of the Fourth Division with the ensuing abject statistics: played: 46; won: seven; drawn: 13; lost: 26; goals scored: 33; goals conceded: 79 and points accumulated: 27 from a possible tally of 92. Indeed, the nadir of their season had witnessed them endure a truly shameful sequence of fifteen league matches without a win, during which they had managed to score just a solitary goal in 1350 minutes (i.e. 22.5 hours) of playing time.

In addition, crowds at the decaying Spotland stadium were dwindling alarmingly and the home fixture versus SC**thorpe United on Friday, 18th April 1980 had attracted an attendance of merely 1,018 (a crowd of 2,653 congregated inside Moss Lane on the following day for the visit of AP Leamington). The apathy afflicting Rochdale’s supporters could be gauged by the revelation that a recent fundraising dinner with Jack Charlton and Lawrie McMenemy as the guest speakers had been cancelled after a total of only 23 tickets had been sold.

Tainted by this catalogue of debacles and decline, Rochdale adopted a re-election strategy that consisted of them resorting to attempts to evoke sentiment and sympathy in a campaign centred around their Club President and former Chairman, Fred Ratcliffe. “Mister Rochdale” was hoping to exploit his personal standing and the Boardroom links and friendships with other club Chairmen that he had forged over many seasons in a bid to influence voters and invoke the power of the ‘Old Pals’ Act‘ to preserve his club‘s tenure in the Football League.

Rochdale were also emphasising the continuing presence at the club of their current manager, Bob Stokoe, who had led Sunderland to that momentous 1-0 success against Leeds United at Wembley in the 1973 FA Cup Final and was well-respected in football circles. All this despite the fact that Stokoe had endeavoured to fine his players half a week’s wages after their mortifyingly inept performance in a 5-1 collapse at Tranmere Rovers and had recently depicted his onerous task at Spotland as being “a little bit like trying to raise the dead.”

In marked contrast, the progressive Robins could point to success both on and off the pitch. Their team had been crowned APL Champions; home attendances had increased to an average of just under 2,000; the club was financially sound, having made a record profit of £53,971 for the 1978/79 season, and further investment to the facilities at Moss Lane was planned in the shape of an estimated £100,000 face-lift, which included the extension and refurbishment of the dressing rooms and club offices; a brand new reception lounge for visitors and officials and the installation of new turnstiles as well as a gymnasium.   

Since January 1980, Noel White and his fellow Director, Raymond Donn, had spent many hours on the road undertaking visits to Football League clubs and canvassing the votes of their respective Chairmen. In recent weeks, a ‘flying squad’ of Altrincham FC Directors had been touring the country on a mission to drum up support for the club’s nomination, chiefly amongst the First and Second Division clubs who would control the majority of the votes in the imminent ballot.

The Robins’ enterprising and sanguine Chairman averred: “This is the best chance and the strongest case that that we have ever had. The club is geared for Fourth Division football. The only thing that can defeat us is sympathy for the clubs who have finished in the bottom four again. On merit, we should get in.“

For the Robins’ third stab at gaining admission to the Football League, the club took a party of six officials down to the Café Royal although only two of them would be permitted to attend the actual AGM, which was scheduled to commence at 2.00pm. However, the prospect of a tension-filled few hours beckoned, as the re-election issue was to be the final item on the agenda.

The somewhat arcane re-election procedure read as follows. All of the 44 clubs comprising the First and Second Divisions were each granted a voting right. The remaining 48 Third and Fourth Division clubs had six voting rights between them and the President of the Football League (who, at that juncture, was the Newcastle United Chairman, Lord Westwood), also possessed one voting right. Each voting right entitled the holder to cast four votes i.e. to select four clubs from the five candidates seeking membership, namely Hereford United; Darlington; Crewe Alexandra; Rochdale and Altrincham. So, the sum of 51 voting rights equated to a total of 204 votes to be allocated.

The votes cast in the eventual Football League re-election poll for the 1979/80 season were as follows: Darlington: 49; Crewe Alexandra: 48; Hereford United: 48; Rochdale: 26 and Altrincham: 25. If the Robins had received just one additional vote and tied with the Spotland club, a second ballot featuring only those two candidates would have ensued, in which the eligible electors were then obliged to cast a single vote for the club of their choice. In the two preceding instances when it had proved necessary to hold a second round of voting, the Non League club had, indeed, prevailed on each occasion and, hence, had secured admission into the Football League (Hereford United defeating Barrow in 1972 and Wigan Athletic overcoming Southport in 1978).   

Alty‘s initial emotions of intense heartache and sheer disbelief at this cruel news that they had failed to displace Rochdale by just two votes were subsequently exacerbated by disillusionment and the impression that they had been cheated, when it emerged that two clubs had actually omitted to vote and the absence of their ballot papers had not been detected until after the AGM had concluded.

The first of the culprits to be identified were Second Division Luton Town, whose delegation of representatives had been late in arriving for the meeting after ostensibly getting held up in London’s traffic. Their Chairman, Denis Mortimer, duly released a statement: “The traffic was bad and we were delayed. To be fair to everyone involved, I am not going to reveal who we would have voted for.”

Grimsby Town were later unmasked as being the second guilty party in this electoral chaos, when it was disclosed that the Chairman of the newly-promoted Third Division Champions, Dick Middleton, had contrived to sit in the main body of the hall in error, rather than proceed to his rightful place at the front amongst the voting members. Consequently, he was not handed his ballot paper.

The Manchester Evening News’ Non League Football correspondent, Doug Peacock, succeeded in buttonholing an unnamed Grimsby Town official as they scurried away from the AGM, who sheepishly divulged their account of the cause of this farcical confusion: “We understood that in previous years, representatives of newly-promoted clubs stayed among the non-voting-members of the Third and Fourth Divisions during the meeting. It was a misunderstanding.”

However, a radically different theory pertaining to the reason for the absence of four of this total of eight uncast votes was subsequently expounded by Graham Heathcote in Andy Mitten’s article on Altrincham FC in the November 2004 issue of Four Four Two magazine, when the Alty midfielder alleged that: “One bloke who promised to support us got pissed and fell asleep."

Just to add insult to injury, the Robins’ officials intimated that both of the clubs involved had previously indicated that they were in favour of electing Alty into the Fourth Division. A crestfallen Noel White remarked: “Two clubs did not vote and they were as near as you can get to being ones we could bank on. But they did not arrive and now we feel a little bit cheated. We are very, very disappointed because we went flat out for the league this time. We only asked to be judged on merit and I don’t think we have been.”

Almost 31 years on from this fiasco, at least there is some, albeit belated, consolation to be derived from the fact that both Luton Town and Grimsby Town now find themselves as Non League clubs playing in the same division as Alty.

Meanwhile, a dejected Tony Sanders was unable to mask his justifiable indignation and frustration at the Robins’ rebuff by the closed shop of the Football League: “What happened at this annual meeting was not only a dreadful setback for Altrincham FC, it was a slap in the face for the whole APL. We could win the APL again next season but, unless the present system is changed, we might as well not bother turning up at the AGM. It’s like playing in the FA Cup Final and being told you may not get the trophy even if you win the match.“   

Alty’s burgeoning sense of injustice at this narrow rejection of their case for membership of the Football League was compounded by subsequent revelations that Rochdale had, in fact, sold their Spotland ground for £175,000 two months ago (with the anonymous buyer leasing it back to them at a rental of £35,000 pa) and yet were now about to launch a public appeal in effort to raise £50,000 to be directed to paying off debts and funding the team for the following season. There were also reports that only six players had been named on the club’s retained list at the end of the 1979/80 season and, to date, three of these had already declined terms to remain at Spotland for another year.

On Tuesday, 24th June 1980, the whole sorry travesty of justice then plumbed new depths when Bob Stokoe resigned as the manager of Rochdale FC. A report published in the Daily Express on the following day carried a quote from Stokoe in which he confessed that he had made up his mind to quit his role prior to the end of the season but had deferred the public announcement of his decision until now for a specific and all-important motive: “I held back because I didn‘t want to hinder the club’s application for re-election.”

This gradual unveiling of the turmoil at Spotland elicited the following pointed observation from Noel White: “I’m surprised that the true state of affairs that seems to exist at Rochdale was not explored before the annual meeting.”

Stokoe’s rather ignoble and equivocal resignation even prompted a trenchant censure from the Chairman of the APL (and then Chairman of Maidstone United), Jim Thompson, whose personal statement about the controversial affair accused the former Spotland boss of “a deliberate move to deceive the clubs voting into believing that Rochdale FC was going to have his services for the coming season and, thus, affect their decision.” His scathing rebuke went on to pose the question as to whether such a misleading action was “tantamount to bringing the game into disrepute and, if it is, whether any action is going to be taken against Mr Stokoe.”

In response, Bob Stokoe (in contradiction of a disclosure previously cited in the national press), denied these charges: “I have nothing to hide. Mr Thompson has been misinformed and I would willingly appear before any commission with a clear conscience.” The Football League did not take any subsequent action against either Rochdale FC or Bob Stokoe regarding this whole distasteful saga.

When the dust had finally settled, Tony Sanders turned his thoughts to the task ahead of him and issued the following resolute and passionate vow of intent: “Our aim, without doubt, is to surpass last season’s achievements and to knock on the door of the Football League so loud that notice has got to be taken.”

Indeed, the 1980/81 season would prove to be the most successful one in the history of Altrincham FC to date. But that’s another story.

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