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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: andyc on December 02, 2006, 06:42:14 PM
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The difference today was Daryl Clare up front for Burton. Colin Little should have put us 1 up with the chip over there keeper but down the other end Clare showed how to do it when Coburn & Munroe messed up. We should start at home with 2 recognised strikers, Thornley should have started. We were a bit unlucky in front of goal but with Little not fit why have him up front holding the ball up when we need him running towards goal. Lawton is clearly better driving into the box from midfield. If we're not more positive at home the wins we need won't come and the bottom 4 beckons. I also don't like Lewis Chalmers on the right wing, what a waste. We need a right winger and a proven goalscorer in January if Craney is sold to Swansea.
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Agree totally with the above, couldn't believe we started with just Little up front, but having said that thought we played decent controlled football. The thing missing is the quality ball in. Apart from needing a right wiger the only change I'd enforce is making Lawton captain, not only is he the most vocal but he physically drives the team forward.
At the end of the day we picked up no points, edged nearer the drop zone and have a massive two league to come, in which we need 4 pts.
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Agree that Lawton should be captain as Bushell for me has done nothing recently and constantly drops too deep to take the ball off the centre halves. This would be ok if it was Band & Talbot but Rose & Munroe can quite comfortably bring the ball out of defence.
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I too was suprised too see only one striker!!
However in the first half we were better than Burton, if we had not let them in with sloppy defending we could have been leading. Colin missed by inches, with an excellent shot under pressure. There goalie also made a few good stops.
GH changed things second half but Potts looked inept and should have chased the ball near the end,when colin chased through.
I would agree that we need new les on the wing, however if we play like we did today we should win more than loose?
As for Clare, I was behind the line of his shot, I was amazed how much it curled, it was either the wind or genius!!!
Colin played welloday and got some reward, considering he is still injured I take my hat off to him.
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First of all I'd like to say how well we did today against a team who I had previously thought should be flattered to be fourth, but now believe actually have a chance to go up this year. Burton were unbelievable and for large parts of the game we were more than a match for them. Thought Robbie Lawton in particular was outstanding, as were several other members of the Alty team and in general it was one of our best performances of the season, despite the score. We really should have secured a draw from that game and I know it's been said before, but starting the game with just one striker at home to such a fine side is suicidal. Yes, it is easier to comment about things from the sidelines and the manager does have important decisions to make, which he is qualified to do, but today GH cost us BIG TIME. It would make a refreshing change for him to come out, hold his hands up and admit to an almighty cock up. For those posters, who will undoubtedly defend him, how good did we look when Rod came on in the second half. Yes, Burton did realx a bit, but I seriously believe we ran them ragged when we started attacking a surprisingly fragile central defence. We will go down unless we are a little bolder in our home games, even the most optimistic and positive fans must agree. Please, please, two strikers for our next home game. Where on Earth was Peter Thomson?
AltyBri
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Good crowd - exciting match and plenty of goals too. Alty looked much better up front with Lawton and Little pity about our defensive error...
We were as good as Burton for most of the time and two goals against a team that has conceded so few is pleasing.
If we can carry on in this vein we can stay up....
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Peter Thomson played for the reserves.
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Why?
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I have not got a clue.
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I agree with Brian Rooney that GH cost us BIG TIME yesterday. Apart from his team selection and tactics ( if indeed he had some kind of tactical plan), what really annoyed me was that he sent all 11 players into the penalty box to defend the free kick, and they COULDN'T, which led to Burton's third. Everytime we have to defend a corner, he sends them all into the box and if it does get cleared, it just comes right back again because NOT ONE player is up front. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
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Why did GH cost us big time yesterday??
He played the same formation that worked away at Grays last week. I agree we looked at lot better when Rod came on in the second hafl, but IMO we were never really out played, couple of mistakes at the back cost us two goals. Their forwards took the chances that came their way, ours did not. I think GH set the stall out yestrday to contain Burton first, and then work towards a goal. Little did look isolated up on his own, maybe becuase Lawton is best breaking from midfield with the ball rather the arriving without it, something we only really got from the old legs of Owen.
GH kept us up last season and I have no doubt he will again this year.
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First of all I'd like to say how well we did today against a team who I had previously thought should be flattered to be fourth, but now believe actually have a chance to go up this year. Burton were unbelievable and for large parts of the game we were more than a match for them. Thought Robbie Lawton in particular was outstanding, as were several other members of the Alty team and in general it was one of our best performances of the season, despite the score. We really should have secured a draw from that game and I know it's been said before, but starting the game with just one striker at home to such a fine side is suicidal. Yes, it is easier to comment about things from the sidelines and the manager does have important decisions to make, which he is qualified to do, but today GH cost us BIG TIME. It would make a refreshing change for him to come out, hold his hands up and admit to an almighty cock up. For those posters, who will undoubtedly defend him, how good did we look when Rod came on in the second half. Yes, Burton did realx a bit, but I seriously believe we ran them ragged when we started attacking a surprisingly fragile central defence. We will go down unless we are a little bolder in our home games, even the most optimistic and positive fans must agree. Please, please, two strikers for our next home game. Where on Earth was Peter Thomson?
AltyBri
Im sure people will defend GH cos he has done a fantasic job at the club, however i must admit myself i was surprised at the original line up
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I agree with Brian Rooney that GH cost us BIG TIME yesterday. Apart from his team selection and tactics ( if indeed he had some kind of tactical plan)
Graham said before the match that Burton are a side that beat teams by having a lot of possession of the ball, without the ball they can't play. I suspect this is why he played the side he did, to try and control the midfield and limit the amount of possession Burton were able to enjoy. They sound like tactics to me.
what really annoyed me was that he sent all 11 players into the penalty box to defend the free kick, and they COULDN'T, which led to Burton's third.
So you admit that it wasn't actually his fault, but the players for not defending the free kick properly?
It seems a very odd way to criticise someone by stating that they were doing the best they could and it was the fault of others that a goal was conceded.
Everytime we have to defend a corner, he sends them all into the box and if it does get cleared, it just comes right back again because NOT ONE player is up front. >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Perhaps, but that isn't the reason Burton scored any of their goals yesterday is it?
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Very well put indeed
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The first goal came about through a cock up at the back, the second one was a very good finish but it wasn't cleared properly, the third goal was poor marking. Overall a good battling performance was spoiled by very sloppy defending. I don't think GH can be directly blamed for that.
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GH has performed miracles at Alty and there is no doubt that we wouldn't be where we are if it were not for him. However, we are all falible and for me, his tactics on Saturday cost us dearly. Obviously, you can't account for individual defensive errors, but I stand by my point that we will certainly go down unless we are a little bolder at home. One up front away from home is fine (wonderful result v Grays), but when we start employing the same tactics at home (where presumably a huge majority of our points will come) it sends out the wrong message to the opposition. I can understand Jimmy's point about curbing Burton's style of play, but surely the point of the game is trying to score more goals than the opposition. Rod ran at surprisingly ordinary looking Burton defenders when he came on and surely Thomson's height v the hugely physical Tinson would have helped put some doubt in the minds of Burton's players.
For the record, we played really well and it was a very enjoyable match. It just leaves a bitter taste in the mouth when you think we had enough talent to have got at least a draw from the match. As it stands, it's another loss at home and hopefully it won't affect confidence too much. Two up front at home from now on PLEASE.
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I agree 110%. GH is a legend but that shouldnt mean that he is beyond reproach.
We (although improving) are not the best away from home and thus need to take points from our home games. We have to play two up front at home especially. GH (in my opinion), got it wrong.
On a final note, is anyone else losing patience will Potts? I heard him described as "inept" in another post on here and I think thats pretty fair. Im sure the "he just needs to get fit" line will be regurgutated but I just dont think hes up to it.
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I wasnt at the game on Saturday as I was on my death bed at home.
I have read the comments above and would like to ask the following questions :-
1) Have our results this season improved?
2) Are we getting thumped 5-0 regularly?
3) Are we playing better football?
4) Are we improving all over the field from last year?
5) Are the crowds improving?
6) Had we played 2 up front against Burton would we have got beat by more than 2-3?
7) How often do you think the tactics we play are incorrect?
8 ) Joe O'Neill for captain, were people not calling for his head not so long ago?
9) We should play Thomson, unproven in the Conference, against a team who are now in third place?
10) Should we have guest beers in the club house? - sorry couldnt think of a good 10th question.
Come on guys get a grip of the bad comments and think about the improvements.
I am not saying our league position is not worrying. It is getting critical, and we now need 6 points from Northwich and Kiddy. This is acheiveable. If we can score 2 against Burton with one up front at home, then I am sure we can get a few against Vics and Kiddy - I hope you get my point here.
I repeat I was not at the game, the above are just general questions perhaps we should remind ourselves of.
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in reply to ur 6th question -
i personally think we cud have taken 3points if we started with 4,4,2. with the 4,5,1 there was too many bodies in the middle they was getting in each others way and it was impossible to form frequent attacks. GH needs to be decisive and drop one of the midfielders, i agree they have all played well but we need to attack these teams, not sit back and defend.
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Get a grip? We lose 3-2 at home playing the wrong formation and yes, I will voice my disatisfaction if i want to. I am aware of all those questions and the answers you know. We all know the bigger picture but I am talking about one game I paid my money to see so Im sorry if its greatly offended anyone to use an Alty fans message board to discuss our performance.
Thats what boards are all about, debating things GOOD AND BAD and using it to voice opiniom whilst all sharing a common love of Alty and the desire to see us do well.
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sumbody needs to calm down
this is a forum ur correct where everyone can have there OWN personal opinion, i was simply voicing mine. so i must say i think u need to get a grip and remind urself that a forum is for light hearted discussions, debating and having the right to share opinions without being told to get a grip!!
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I dont think my post was aggressive at all so no need to calm down.
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U talking to Jenga or me?!
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I wasnt at the game on Saturday as I was on my death bed at home.
I have read the comments above and would like to ask the following questions :-
1) Have our results this season improved?
2) Are we getting thumped 5-0 regularly?
3) Are we playing better football?
4) Are we improving all over the field from last year?
5) Are the crowds improving?
6) Had we played 2 up front against Burton would we have got beat by more than 2-3?
7) How often do you think the tactics we play are incorrect?
8 ) Joe O'Neill for captain, were people not calling for his head not so long ago?
9) We should play Thomson, unproven in the Conference, against a team who are now in third place?
10) Should we have guest beers in the club house? - sorry couldnt think of a good 10th question.
Come on guys get a grip of the bad comments and think about the improvements.
I am not saying our league position is not worrying. It is getting critical, and we now need 6 points from Northwich and Kiddy. This is acheiveable. If we can score 2 against Burton with one up front at home, then I am sure we can get a few against Vics and Kiddy - I hope you get my point here.
I repeat I was not at the game, the above are just general questions perhaps we should remind ourselves of.
Those points are valid, but just out of interest, does anyone know what points we had at this point last year?
From what I remember, after a couple of duff months last year, we picked it up after Robinson came and went on a good run. This year, we won't have that individual who can make the difference (unless Thompson comes good), so we really need to make every home game count and this means playing 2 up front.
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in reply to ur 6th question -
i personally think we cud have taken 3points if we started with 4,4,2. with the 4,5,1 there was too many bodies in the middle they was getting in each others way and it was impossible to form frequent attacks. GH needs to be decisive and drop one of the midfielders, i agree they have all played well but we need to attack these teams, not sit back and defend.
I think we may have been watching different games!
We were the better side in the first half and put in one of our best 45 minutes this season (excluding individual errors).
We went in 2-1 down not because of the formation but due to sloppy errors in defence.
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Jimmy is right. The main reason we lost on Saturday was because of very poor defending, particularly for the first goal. Other than that we had the chances and posession.
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After 21 games we had 21 points and a GD of minus 20
This year after 21 games we have 22 points and a GD of minus 10...............a theoretical improvement, although there is no like for like comparison because we have played different teams.
Therefore comparison is somewhat meaningless, but what is for certain, is that defensively we have improved.
What should be of concern is that the competition ie Forest Green and Tamworth look like they have improved as well. So called relegation 'bankers' (my choice of words) like St Albans and Stafford are also grinding out the away results.
Last season we had a great run in New Year with Robbo in the side, IMO GH needs to find a similar player if we are to record the much needed home wins this season over Aldershot, Cambridge, Kidderminster, Rushden etc
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One of the big differnces this year is that Colin has been out for a couple of months, and we have not benefited from his goals. Hopefully his injury will clear up and he will start to score more frequently.
I think we played well on Saturday, and all there goals were preventable. I was as previously stated suprised at the line up, but it worked first half!!
Is anybody missing Joe??
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10) Should we have guest beers in the club house? - sorry couldnt think of a good 10th question.
yes yes oh dear god yes!!!