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Title: Ramifications
Post by: markecky on September 16, 2008, 10:22:27 AM
The debate on here the last few days has been interesting.  I think some people forget that we are allowed to say some of the things that have been said.  I am still gutted about Saturday now and so is everyone I speak to. 

Saying "we were never going to beat Stevenage" is not a vaild comeback in my opinion.

I know that 8/10 times we aren't but sometimes teams go to places, play there hearts out and sneak points.  There was never a danger of that at from the kick off for me. If we had equalised they would have scored again.

However heres a point to discuss, and the bit that is very worrying.

If Graham decided today he had done all he could and resigned, the club could very well be looking to fill 10 positions at the club if people go with him, not just one.

At Woking, they sack Kim Grant and move on.

At Alty, any change has massive  ramifications, I don't think some on here realise.  Thats not a healthy situation.

Discuss.

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: joe on September 16, 2008, 10:32:55 AM
I still think Heathcote should go. We can't just keep turning in wank performances every week and saying oh well never mind,there's always next week. We have to move forward.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Knutsford Alty on September 16, 2008, 10:41:22 AM
I have a lot of time for Graham Heathcote.  On the pitch he was top notch taking free-kicks. 

Regarding his current management role, the part-time argument is a little tiring now.  IF and its a big IF Graham Heathcote decided to call it a day, Altrincham would continue.  If players wish to leave so be it but the Alty would go on!!!
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on September 16, 2008, 10:44:39 AM
It's a good point Ecky and it is worrying, but ultimately you can not be held to ransom over what may or may not happen.

Personally, I think it VERY unlikely that many players would up and go. There was lots of talk of players going at Chelsea when the outlaw Jose Portugal was shown the door....how many went?

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: markecky on September 16, 2008, 10:46:40 AM
Wasn't talking about players. 

For me, outside of Stuart Coburn, Colin Little, Senior and Denham I wouldn't miss any of them the way I feel at the moment.



Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: gazwarrington on September 16, 2008, 11:00:35 AM
Well I've spoke to various people who went the game on Satdee and although I feel I can't comment on that game, as I  did not go.. I have been to plenty of previous games I feel to make an opinion.

I'll be honest for the first time since watching Alty I ended up doing 'Something else' on Satdee. It was my Nephews 3rd Birthday and even though it was a 'family' thing my mum, dad and even sister were shocked I turned up and didn't watch Alty. YES some may now say "You are not a fan" or "Stick by the team" but too be honest when it costs me around £60 to get to a home game and I am being served up with rubbish I just didn;t fancy an away game at Stevenage so I took the route of actually spending time with my family who I do not see very often.

I'll be their on Satdee and will continue to go to as many games as I can get to but the sad thing for me was that for the first time ever I found something else to do other than watch Alty... That just isn't like me at all as Ecky and co will tell you. And too be honest got me thinking A LOT, What worried me is if I felt like this then there must be others ?? Then I made a few phonecalls and found out there was !

I am not judging on 'just one game' but I am really hoping for a BIG improvement on Saturday and if there is not then I am going to be totally disheartened with it all.

I don't expect a win every week, people know I am much more realistic than that but what I do expect is a team that puts in effort and COMPETES. If we had lost 3-0 on Satdee but 'gave it a go' then I would not have minded.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on September 16, 2008, 11:35:21 AM
Wasn't talking about players. 

For me, outside of Stuart Coburn, Colin Little, Senior and Denham I wouldn't miss any of them the way I feel at the moment.





Fair enough and still worrying, but the point remains the same. Are we to be held to ransom over what may or may not happen?

I mean this is not a club with fans who are fickle. There is a constant hardcore support that follow the team home and away, come what may (and boy has it come in the last few seasons).

No one person can be bigger than the club itself. If people walk, because GH goes, then they do not have the best interests of the club at heart. There's something wrong if people would keep things as they are for the sake of the old boys brigade and watch us decline without so much as a whimper, but would happily wave goodbye to the club if changes were made.

As far as I'm aware, GG was likely to go at the end of this season anyway was he not? So, how is this different? Or are you saying, that if GH goes they will all just walk without ensuring that there is someone to take over at the helm? If that's true then they love GH and not Alty.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: markecky on September 16, 2008, 11:43:24 AM
Its all hypothetical but I think a fair few people would have to decide if they were Altrincham Football Club or Graham Heathcote.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 11:47:02 AM
Alty F.C all the way for me famous saying no one is bigger than the club
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on September 16, 2008, 11:47:15 AM
Its all hypothetical but I think a fair few people would have to decide if they were Altrincham Football Club or Graham Heathcote.

Really sorry, but that just made me chuckle as I got an image of a packed boardroom with one after another getting to their feet and declaring......"I'm Graham Heathcote", "No, I'm Graham Heathcote"

Apologies again, I think I'm becoming delirious.

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Narcissist on September 16, 2008, 11:50:04 AM
The debate on here the last few days has been interesting.  I think some people forget that we are allowed to say some of the things that have been said.  I am still gutted about Saturday now and so is everyone I speak to. 

Saying "we were never going to beat Stevenage" is not a vaild comeback in my opinion.

I know that 8/10 times we aren't but sometimes teams go to places, play there hearts out and sneak points.  There was never a danger of that at from the kick off for me. If we had equalised they would have scored again.

However heres a point to discuss, and the bit that is very worrying.

If Graham decided today he had done all he could and resigned, the club could very well be looking to fill 10 positions at the club if people go with him, not just one.

At Woking, they sack Kim Grant and move on.

At Alty, any change has massive  ramifications, I don't think some on here realise.  Thats not a healthy situation.

Discuss.



For me this makes things even worse.The people that are holding the fans to ransom by saying they will follow GH out if he has to go should really look at what they are striving for within the club. Is it Altrincham FC or their good friend GH?

If this really is true, and i suppose only the next press saga will tell, then GH should resign even more so. Otherwise we'll be forever on the brink of being in the wilderness once again. We should face the hurdle now.

Im not disputing the hard work that GH or any club official has put in over recent years, its truly fantastic. However, its our club as well (sorry for sounding like a geordie) and we can't just accept the tyranny.

For me its black and white, if the club can find a fitting successor to take the club forward then so be it.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: bigcol on September 16, 2008, 11:59:23 AM
Looking at other examples, once the majority of fans don't want someone in, they usually get their wish.  Our friends at Newcastle are the most recent example.  It isn't sense to continue doing something the fans don't want, any club relies on the support of the fans and if that is lost then the mechanisms of club football fail both on and off the pitch.

There were a few rumblings last season, but this season it is not only a lot earlier but also a lot more forceful. 

GG might be loyal to GH, Colin might be loyal to GH and so on, but when fans turn against a team or a manager and start voting with their feets and pockets, it doesn't matter what level a team is at, changes will be made.

I just hope that GG takes an open-minded view, rather than stick to his usual GH is Alty patter. 
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 12:05:37 PM
Wasn't talking about players. 

For me, outside of Stuart Coburn, Colin Little, Senior and Denham I wouldn't miss any of them the way I feel at the moment.




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Yes reevesy your chance to rant at me again, Till the day i die stuart coburn will be my Favourite player and bias or not he has kept defeat scores down to a minimum, as that picture on the official website shows Alty man of the season so far for me.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 12:12:43 PM
I also believe certain players are unhappy with Heathcotes management criticising them all the time with no praise when someone does something impressive is not how you get the best out of your players. But sorry youngy that second goal on saturday you should of just got the ball f**ked off
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Jezza on September 16, 2008, 12:13:00 PM
If you love Alty then you act in the best interests of Alty.

The only person who has said they'll go if the 'cote goes is colin little...I'm afraid with that attitude I'd say thanks for the goals colin...see ya....we fear maybe Geoff will go as well...maybe a few other volunteer loyalists i could think who have witnessed dozens of managerial changes without so much as a voice of dissent..

But why should they throw their toys out of the pram together?? It's not like many are saying go and never darken our door again. It's not like many are saying things out of hatred or spite (note I put not many).

Many are suggesting the 'cote moves upstairs or even better manages a reserve side and does loads of work within the community.....none of these were suggested for Bernard or Tony Sanders or John King............surely now is the time for the 'cote to cement his ties to Alty and do the best for the club that no-one doubts he cares about (note I put no-one)?....

It doesn't surely have to be that the fans are blamed for a continual and evidenced run of turgid football that means fans like gaz are spending time with loved ones at the weekend instead of cheering on the Alty? (PS the danger is that that happened to me 2 seasons ago and if it's hard disconnecting it's even harder to reconnect).

We are being reasonable....but we can't ignore the fact that the standrad of football is dire and shows no signs of improving.

Best to have the clear out now though if people insist on throwing their toys out of the pram than when we are in conf N...but to all those people considering it I think I speak for most when I say you are appreciated and wanted at Alty.

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Jenga on September 16, 2008, 12:15:02 PM
IF GH goes and it is only an if, and IF others go with him as they support him then so be it. They clearly do not support the club.

However IF GH is doing a good job and we have all got this wrong then I could understand people walking out.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Jezza on September 16, 2008, 12:17:39 PM

I think Alty are like the labour party at the moment....everyone seems to acknowledge there is a problem at the top but the top refuses to acknowledge this and may even withdraw the leadership election nomination papers!!!
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 12:20:15 PM
If you love Alty then you act in the best interests of Alty.

The only person who has said they'll go if the 'cote goes is colin little...I'm afraid with that attitude I'd say thanks for the goals colin...see ya....we fear maybe Geoff will go as well...maybe a few other volunteer loyalists i could think who have witnessed dozens of managerial changes without so much as a voice of dissent..

But why should they throw their toys out of the pram together?? It's not like many are saying go and never darken our door again. It's not like many are saying things out of hatred or spite (note I put not many).

Many are suggesting the 'cote moves upstairs or even better manages a reserve side and does loads of work within the community.....none of these were suggested for Bernard or Tony Sanders or John King............surely now is the time for the 'cote to cement his ties to Alty and do the best for the club that no-one doubts he cares about (note I put no-one)?....

It doesn't surely have to be that the fans are blamed for a continual and evidenced run of turgid football that means fans like gaz are spending time with loved ones at the weekend instead of cheering on the Alty? (PS the danger is that that happened to me 2 seasons ago and if it's hard disconnecting it's even harder to reconnect).

We are being reasonable....but we can't ignore the fact that the standrad of football is dire and shows no signs of improving.

Best to have the clear out now though if people insist on throwing their toys out of the pram than when we are in conf N...but to all those people considering it I think I speak for most when I say you are appreciated and wanted at Alty.


On the backroom staff side When heathcote goes in next two weeks fingers crossed it needs to be a complete clearout let the new manager bring in what he wants. Plus if Colin went fine he's been useless this season.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: hsmith1 on September 16, 2008, 12:28:52 PM
At the end of the day the Manager can only do so much,once those 11 are on the pitch its down to them and the way they choose to play.yes Gh can kick their backsides at halftime,but other than that not a lot he can do.I think the players have got to take the game by the scruff of the neck from the start and at least have a go.I would be prepared to wait anoth 3 or 4 games and see how they perform,its still only September we do have a long way to go yet and if we finsh 5th from bottom then we have achieved something.Dont want to go down the road of teams getting kicked again,it leaves a sour taste.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: bigcol on September 16, 2008, 12:30:49 PM
Plus if Colin went fine he's been useless this season.

Not like you to be controversial is it? ;)  Alty's best striker for a generation.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: gazwarrington on September 16, 2008, 12:38:28 PM
At the end of the day the Manager can only do so much,once those 11 are on the pitch its down to them and the way they choose to play

If players were 'playing' for GH then they would surely do as he said anyway ?

Plus.. Whether he's is the best striker or not it doesn't mean GH should be in charge just to keep him ?
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: The Fan on September 16, 2008, 12:55:22 PM

Result against Lewes or bust as far as I am concerned. If GH leaving causes an exodus then so be it.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: joe on September 16, 2008, 01:04:51 PM
Gh can kick their backsides at halftime

He won't be able to kick their backsides at half time if he's stood by the dug out sulking!!
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: gazwarrington on September 16, 2008, 01:07:51 PM
Must admit I'm glad I wasn't at the game cos I would have been going mental if I saw that.

Bernard Taylor was shouted at and heckled for standing there and not shouting anything to the players during games and that was his downfall but at least he was watching the game. The actions at the Stevenage game was an insult to everyone who made the trip and why should the players be bothered if the manager isn't ?.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Ballers on September 16, 2008, 02:05:25 PM
I think people are slightly missing Ecky's point ehre.

If GH went a lot of other people players and abclroom staff may leave. This wouldn't necessarily be people throwing there toys out of the pram. You have to realise that the reason why we have progressed on such meagre resources (and still, relatively  speaking we have progressed a lot since 2002) is that people have pulled together and put together time, no little money and lots of emotion into the whole package. It wouldn't be so easy just to welcome the next amn through the door and carry on like that. That's not saying they are here for GH only, many of the people I'm thinking about have been here long before, it's an entirely natural reaction. And in some ways we do forget jsut how hard it is behind the scenes and how much goes on. In fact, more likely we just have no idea how much does go on.

I don't say this with any inside knowledge but perhaps we need to acknowledge that when GG makes his statements sometimes that he has a point and bear it in mind. It's not a case of holding to ransom though.

I suppose it's little things. I mean, if for example Grahame Rowley ( and family) were int his position. They wouldn't walk away from Alty at all but I could well understand if GR was emotionally drained and needed a break message to GR - don't even think about it, this is a purely hypothetical example, got it?, well I can barely imagine what match days would be like the amount of work they get through which is appreciated by us all. I mean really.

Other unseen things I guess, on matchdays the team have energy drinks and all other sort of lucozadey stuff that top sports teams have (beyond just drinks) that give the team a professionalism and better opportunity. I think these come free of charge froma certian chemist and would cost £70 otherwise.

Again, GG's coaches for the team to travel, these are given over either for free or at a discount of tens of thousands of pounds. Remember, these coaches that are travelling to STevnage on FRiday and Saturday could be earning lots of money for GG elsewhere. Would it really be fair to expect GG to continue with this if he was no longer chairman or the man he has invested so much time in had been forced out (and that's how it would seem even if it's not really the case)?

I only give these as sort of isolated examples and I think it's worth re-iterating again that , even if it doesn't always come across on this forum, the work so many people do is truly appreciated.It is, I know from speaking to everyone, like Ecky and Co that we are aware of the effort that is put in to sustain what we all love.

IMO, we shoud perhaps consider that a business that flounders because one particualr emplpoyee leaves (I know we're talkign about others leaving but that's a knock on effect) isn't quite on the structure or as strong as it should be. However, if we were at our level in regardds to this maybe we wouldn't be in the BSP, it is this selfless 'family devotion' that has got us arguably punching above our weight.

I think waht's wieghing on my mind most is that loyalty is going to become blind loyalty, again maybe the next week or so may jsut be the kick start to the season that we need and we're all over analysing. By blind loyalty I mean the sort that will cause resentment and falling out. I would hope that all concerned look for a way forward properly.

- Soudns horribel this, as if it's already a done deal, it need not be GH can still turn it round and we can still do this, it jsut seems a little groundhog day I think.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 02:09:43 PM
Gh can kick their backsides at halftime

He won't be able to kick their backsides at half time if he's stood by the dug out sulking!!

Absolutely spot on Heathcote must of left GB to do 5 mins of team talk on his own whilst heathcote went to welcome his stevenage friends back in their seats and to sip a cup of water
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Hodgey on September 16, 2008, 02:28:54 PM
If Graham decided today he had done all he could and resigned, the club could very well be looking to fill 10 positions at the club if people go with him, not just one.

At Woking, they sack Kim Grant and move on.

At Alty, any change has massive  ramifications, I don't think some on here realise.  Thats not a healthy situation.

Discuss.


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10 positions to fill if GH leaves? In my opinion nobody is that critical  to the club AND that includes everyone from the board to the manager. I got the impression during the meeting with the directors in the summer that GG was getting fed up any criticism due to the voluntary nature of the job and you could see that he was thinking 'I dont need this'. If any of the 10 decide to call it a day it is their prerogative and good luck to them. Ballers has made a great point about the people behind the scenes, and I understand the negativity will filter through to them and they will feel that they would rather just watch the team than dedicate the time and effort to help run the club. But the foundations obviously need strenghtening if one man leaving causes 10 others to go ?

Ecky I would love to know who you think will walk if GH left
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 02:37:01 PM

Hint Ecky doesn't come with an E


  The Board would probably all go seen as their in love with him. Managers get sacked this early in the season so why can't Heathcote '' oh graham please don't go that what their all saying to him'' Wakey Wakey gents yours not telling me you were pleased with the boss stood on that touchline acting a prat
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Ballers on September 16, 2008, 02:40:01 PM
Did you read any of my post at all??
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Hugh on September 16, 2008, 02:40:30 PM
I certainly expected better at Stevenage, I said we might win it. The truth though of how good we are probably lies somewhere between drawing with the top team (Salisbury) and getting outclassed by Stevenage (who are heading for the top). What would interest me is the match report for Stevenage for Burton 1, which I may read shortly. Were Burton outclassed or just unlucky? And remember the Wrexham fan who said Stevenage played better stuff than a lot of teams in "League 2". I hope that Stevenage was simply an off day for whatever reason. And I hope we will take the chance to sort ourselves out tonight. I was disappointed aswell, but I think we can do better. That is the only time we've got well beat this season apart from when we had a dodgy sending off(we probably still would have got beat but not 4-0).
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alex on September 16, 2008, 02:45:19 PM
I certainly expected better at Stevenage, I said we might win it. The truth though of how good we are probably lies somewhere between drawing with the top team (Salisbury) and getting outclassed by Stevenage (who are heading for the top). What would interest me is the match report for Stevenage for Burton 1, which I may read shortly. Were Burton outclassed or just unlucky? And remember the Wrexham fan who said Stevenage played better stuff than a lot of teams in "League 2". I hope that Stevenage was simply an off day for whatever reason. And I hope we will take the chance to sort ourselves out tonight. I was disappointed aswell, but I think we can do better. That is the only time we've got well beat this season apart from when we had a dodgy sending off(we probably still would have got beat but not 4-0).

we got beat 4-0 now? christ it gets worse as days go on
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 02:47:24 PM
Did you read any of my post at all??

in a word Ballers no sorry feller
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: CB on September 16, 2008, 02:50:22 PM

Hint Ecky doesn't come with an E


  The Board would probably all go seen as their in love with him. Managers get sacked this early in the season so why can't Heathcote '' oh graham please don't go that what their all saying to him'' Wakey Wakey gents yours not telling me you were pleased with the boss stood on that touchline acting a prat


WTF are you on about?? Your posts are becoming even more incomprehensible (if that's possible!)

And you call GH a prat.....  ::)
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 02:51:16 PM
who is CB
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alty365 on September 16, 2008, 02:57:02 PM
I sincerely hope that the problems on the field and their possible resolution have no effect on the running of the club off the pitch because our board have done us proud for many years now. Each and every one of them puts in more hard work than most of us can imagine and they are not at fault for the team's disastrous form.

I think it's important that the board know we're 100% behind them, it's just time for a change on the playing side of things. No offence intended to anybody but it's got to be done.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: hsmith1 on September 16, 2008, 03:08:15 PM
Ballers,
 i agree with what you said,i was disapointed with the result at Stevenage i actually thought with the players we have gotten in we would get somes ort of a result and not a 5-0 kicking(only joking The Duke).I believe that the players needed time to gel and now think its time THEY performed,all i was sayin was a manager can only do so much the rest is upto the players.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: markecky on September 16, 2008, 03:27:34 PM

Hint Ecky doesn't come with an E


What does that mean?

And Alty Fan, it wouldn't be fair to name people I think may do it, I would then be speaking for others and I could be very wrong.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: gazwarrington on September 16, 2008, 03:52:24 PM
It means you are 'clean' after your raving days of the 90's !
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on September 16, 2008, 04:22:33 PM
It means you are 'clean' after your raving days of the 90's !

Either that or he finds it difficult to orgasm when under the influence of a certain club drug.

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: AltyFanInNottm on September 16, 2008, 04:39:32 PM
Derby sacked their manager at this stage last season. And what happened?
They got relegated.

Sacking a manager doesn't automatically guarantee success.

Just who do people expect to replace GH?

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: gazwarrington on September 16, 2008, 04:44:23 PM
Can't tell until the applicants apply.

I do not subscribe to the "No one would want the job" at all.. as that would mean "no one wants to play for us as well" and with the players brought in this season it disproves that. Its not the hardest job as we are possibly the most patient fans in England and also the expectations are not high at Altrincham.

I reckon we would get around 20 - 30 applicants with maybe 10 being of a high standard.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on September 16, 2008, 04:45:58 PM
Derby sacked their manager at this stage last season. And what happened?
They got relegated.


Wigan, Fulham and Bolton sacked their respective managers last season......and they all avoided relegation.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: andrewflynn on September 16, 2008, 04:54:34 PM
time for a change.
cant be arsed putting any more.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alty365 on September 16, 2008, 04:54:57 PM
Just who do people expect to replace GH?

This is a weak and, frankly, very poor argument for keeping a manager.

Nobody is irreplacable, least of all a moderately successful manager of a Blue Square Premier club.

It's hardly Brian Clough leaving Nottingham Forest is it!
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: AltyFanInNottm on September 16, 2008, 04:55:11 PM
Why aren't the 10 "Of a high standard" already in jobs?

Can you actually name someone who you think could do a better job than the current fella?

Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alex on September 16, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
steve burr theres one
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Jank the Tank on September 16, 2008, 05:11:29 PM
u cant just say 'heathcote cant leave because then we will need to fill 10 spots'- so u are saying u want to stick with what we have got at the moment, to potentially get relegated, doesnt make sense. we all want better for the club, its just- whats the best way to go about it?- because i know squabbling on here is going to get nothing done.

ask to stage a meeting of some sort to get ur views across to higher people at the club, and make sure they hear ur thoughts

if the collective people that feel so passionately about getting GH out, come together and do something about it- i hate coming on here and just seeing threads 'GH OUT', 'can we stay like this?', 'im so annoyed' etc etc etc


Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: thegazelle on September 16, 2008, 05:24:23 PM
it may be that several players and back romm staff walk if GH goes

devils advocate bit here

but How many of the same stay away because of the current regime????? and i know a couple


just up for discussion thats all
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: wayno on September 16, 2008, 05:26:55 PM
Wasn't talking about players. 

For me, outside of Stuart Coburn, Colin Little, Senior and Denham I wouldn't miss any of them the way I feel at the moment.





How true
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: James Black on September 16, 2008, 05:29:46 PM
Ken Mckenna
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: casper on September 16, 2008, 06:04:10 PM
Why aren't the 10 "Of a high standard" already in jobs?

Can you actually name someone who you think could do a better job than the current fella?


yes i can name lots. maybe some are in current jobs but may want to move back north?, maybe a ex-player looking to start at the bottom. Maybe someone who allows the fans to get back behind the club. There's no point in naming names until the current situation is sorted.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: The Fan on September 16, 2008, 06:17:26 PM

All this "name a manager who is better than GH or keep quiet" nonsense is laughable.

If your after a Manager that will do no worse than get us relegated 3 years on the bounce and be a general embarassment when reacting to fans critisism of continually dreadful performances - I can name thousands. I may as well apply for a start.

Christ, if the buzz of a new Manager at the helm got us 3 points in his first game, I'd do it just for that.

Horrific results we are used to. The difference is that now the players don't even seem to be playing for him - that is a catastrophy.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Garveys Brother on September 16, 2008, 06:50:26 PM
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Christ, if the buzz of a new Manager at the helm got us 3 points in his first game, I'd do it just for that.

Thats why you can't decide whether to sack a manger or not.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alty365 on September 16, 2008, 07:59:39 PM
ask to stage a meeting of some sort to get ur views across to higher people at the club, and make sure they hear ur thoughts

This has been done time and time again and all they do is deny that a problem even exists. Heathcote sits there and won't admit he ever gets anything wrong and nothing constructive ends up happening.

Why is it up to the fans to instigate change of this kind? We are not the people whose job it is to do such things!
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Bob on September 16, 2008, 08:21:19 PM
Suppose that - after Bernard got the sack - we had appointed a manager who had never played for us, had been a completely outside appointment, was functioning purely as a manager, and went on to achieve exactly the same results as GH between that very first match at Burscough and the Stevenage match last Saturday. 

Would that manager still be here?
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: blackpoolalty on September 16, 2008, 08:22:15 PM
Suppose that - after Bernard got the sack - we had appointed a manager who had never played for us, had been a completely outside appointment, was functioning purely as a manager, and went on to achieve exactly the same results as GH between that very first match at Burscough and the Stevenage match last Saturday. 

Would that manager still be here?

Two letter word, ends on 'o' and begins with 'n' !
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Alty365 on September 16, 2008, 08:24:22 PM
Suppose that - after Bernard got the sack - we had appointed a manager who had never played for us, had been a completely outside appointment, was functioning purely as a manager, and went on to achieve exactly the same results as GH between that very first match at Burscough and the Stevenage match last Saturday. 

Would that manager still be here?

I think we all know the answer to that question.  ;)
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: RocketDan on September 16, 2008, 08:52:53 PM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: blackpoolalty on September 16, 2008, 08:59:09 PM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.

Anyone coming into replace Megson would appear to do a good job, the guys useless, what the feck he's doing managing in the premier league i will never know...
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Ballers on September 16, 2008, 11:45:25 PM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.

Anyone coming into replace Megson would appear to do a good job, the guys useless, what the feck he's doing managing in the premier league i will never know...

I think you need to read that back to yourself whilst thinking through the following conundrum in your head.

Managing a premiership side. Bryan Robson or Gary Megson?

No brainer.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: blackpoolalty on September 17, 2008, 09:12:30 AM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.

Anyone coming into replace Megson would appear to do a good job, the guys useless, what the feck he's doing managing in the premier league i will never know...

I think you need to read that back to yourself whilst thinking through the following conundrum in your head.

Managing a premiership side. Bryan Robson or Gary Megson?

No brainer.

You've lost me. Gary Megson is an atrocious manager, end of ! I will be very suprised if Bolton don't struggle....
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: bighairedmike on September 17, 2008, 09:24:39 AM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.

Bryan Robson was an ex West Bom player...    :-X
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: Ballers on September 17, 2008, 12:58:42 PM
Bryan Robson came in to replace gary megsons failing WBA. survived relegation, something that i would like to see alty do this season.

Anyone coming into replace Megson would appear to do a good job, the guys useless, what the feck he's doing managing in the premier league i will never know...

I think you need to read that back to yourself whilst thinking through the following conundrum in your head.

Managing a premiership side. Bryan Robson or Gary Megson?

No brainer.

You've lost me. Gary Megson is an atrocious manager, end of ! I will be very suprised if Bolton don't struggle....

Bryan Robson aspires to be an atrocious manager.
Title: Re: Ramifications
Post by: RockyRobin on September 17, 2008, 01:36:08 PM
Well I've spoke to various people who went the game on Satdee and although I feel I can't comment on that game, as I  did not go.. I have been to plenty of previous games I feel to make an opinion.

I'll be honest for the first time since watching Alty I ended up doing 'Something else' on Satdee. It was my Nephews 3rd Birthday and even though it was a 'family' thing my mum, dad and even sister were shocked I turned up and didn't watch Alty. YES some may now say "You are not a fan" or "Stick by the team" but too be honest when it costs me around £60 to get to a home game and I am being served up with rubbish I just didn;t fancy an away game at Stevenage so I took the route of actually spending time with my family who I do not see very often.

I'll be their on Satdee and will continue to go to as many games as I can get to but the sad thing for me was that for the first time ever I found something else to do other than watch Alty... That just isn't like me at all as Ecky and co will tell you. And too be honest got me thinking A LOT, What worried me is if I felt like this then there must be others ?? Then I made a few phonecalls and found out there was !

I am not judging on 'just one game' but I am really hoping for a BIG improvement on Saturday and if there is not then I am going to be totally disheartened with it all.

I don't expect a win every week, people know I am much more realistic than that but what I do expect is a team that puts in effort and COMPETES. If we had lost 3-0 on Satdee but 'gave it a go' then I would not have minded.



It's sad to say but I have the same feelings as you about this.

Stevenage on Saturday was the first time I have left the game early (10mins). I too should have been somewhere else and decided I could get there quicker if I got out the car park early and away from that sh*t town and that sh*t performance.

I'm afraid to say watching Alty seems to be 100% about the journey, the people and the booze! Football seems to be getting in the way and that seems like a shame to me!

I'm not asking for a Man Utd attitude where we are hacked off if we don't win everygame but a pair of balls and the odd surprise would be a start.