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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: gazwarrington on July 21, 2008, 08:46:22 AM
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As far as I'm concerned let them have the ground for a night (as they want to in the long term) and I am certainly not making the 200 mile roundtrip to 'welcome' the same club that we said would never be welcomed at Moss Lane.
I would hope that Altrincham fans stay away from this game. The club will get 'their' money from the FC United of Manchester fans anyway.
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I never had any intentions of going to the game on Tuesday, and after hearing about Saturday there is no way on Earth I'll be there.
If the club want to put money over safety, fine I know where I stand.
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I wasn't going to go anyway out of principle, and I urge other Alty fans to boycott the match too.
Went into work this morning to find out my boss had taken his 5 year old son to his first Alty match on Saturday and had to face comments that his son was scared etc. It's sad when a family are unsure of whether to come back. We're Alty FFS, not Millwall :( I've tried to persuade him to come and see a league game (and give the FCUM match a miss!), but I don't think he's going to bring his son back. Very embarrassing :(
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I am yet to decide on wether i will be attending. I feel that the day genuine fans stop attending games because of mindless thugs it will be the end of the beautiful game, i am also not of the oppinion that all FC fans are trouble makers but all clubs with a big following are bound to have eliments that want to cause trouble (look at sailsbury vs southampton) im using this as an exaple, when we went to sailsbury there fans were very warm and welcoming and created a friendly atmosphere however there was a section who are condemed by the genuine support as trouble causers. so i don't think we can tar everyone with the same brush. it's a bit to easy to say all fans of FC are trouble makers because of one incident at our ground 2 years ago - does that make all alty fans trouble causers after the incidents at northwich this year?
for the record i am not in anyway saying saturday is not a big deal i was there and could see the trouble brewing all game.
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For those who are undecided about attending, or for parents thinking about bringing their children, it might be worth knowing in advance:
- will there be a police presence at and around the the ground from the outset?
- will the match be segregated?
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For those who are undecided about attending, or for parents thinking about bringing their children, it might be worth knowing in advance:
- will there be a police presence at and around the the ground from the outset?
- will the match be segregated?
If such measures are required to stage a friendly match at Moss Lane, then it should not proceed.
What a farce.
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I am not going and I am not interested.
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I very rarely attend 'friendlies' as I see them as public training sessions which, although interesting at some levels, would not be enough for the 100 mile or more round trip.
I would go if the opposition was unusual (large or small) or if it was an away ground I hadn't previously visited, or if there were to be some superstars on display.
On the one hand, I think the Tuesday game should go ahead so that the yobs do not win; but on the other, the absence of this kind of behaviour in the '60s was one of the reasons I was attracted to following Alty in the first place (that and 6 goals vs Scarborough!).
Consequently, I don't think that I'll be going on Tuesday because although the match probably should go ahead on principle, I want to register my protest at it having been organised in the first place and reduce the chances of others being organised in the future.
It's not how I want to see things at ML. I know we need money - but surely not that badly?
I don't know who was to blame for saturday - and I don't care - I just know that when big teams and big money get involved it often turns ugly with the lunatic fringes they attract.
Couldn't the police just find some waste land, cordon it off and let anyone who wanted to just go there and fight to the death if that's what they want to do without bothering the real football fans - or the rest of normal humanity?
What a sad state of affairs.
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I think that it oversteps the boundaries of a "friendly" fixture when the Police need to be consulted on the safety of spectators like this. It's perfectly simple, you just cancel the game or alternatively play it behind closed doors so the players don't lose out.
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maybe we should arrange a supporters team match against someone like trafford (a great local club who i would feel better about giving my money too) and all go there instead? (i am still undecided but i thought i would suggest a few alternatives as there appear to be very few other games on tuesday night.)
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I think that it oversteps the boundaries of a "friendly" fixture when the Police need to be consulted on the safety of spectators like this. It's perfectly simple, you just cancel the game or alternatively play it behind closed doors so the players don't lose out.
You have made an excellent point there. If the club want to play the game so much PLAY IT BEHIND CLOSED DOORS
By not looking at that view it would prove to me the club value the income more than the spectator !
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We're Alty FFS, not Millwall
Millwall fans have not caused any trouble since the play off semi final against Birmingham in 2002. There have been a few cases where opposing fans have had a go and Millwall have retaliated, but anyone being attacked has the right to fight back. Any problems involving Millwall are always exaggerated. Did you not learn anything from the cup game last season? Millwall fans behaved perfectly. They were a credit to the club. Everyone on here agreed they would be welcome back anytime.
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These are friendly games. If this was league match I prob wouldn't care less abotu what happened but its a FRIENDLY and if police need to be called during a friendly match then something is just nto right.....
It would cost us for police presence and I can't get my head round it to cost 'us' for staging a friendly match. Something is not right if thats the case.
Its not like tensions where high and the match mattered to anyone ?
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Agree with all on this. I don't wish to bash the baord (again) but when you have to release a statement saying you are consulting the police with regards to a friendly, you are answering your own question as to whether the game should be played or not.
This game should never have been arranged PRIOR to Saturday - never mind after the events of Saturday.
I suppose they want us all to "get behind the lads" as usual.
Not for me thanks.
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We're Alty FFS, not Millwall
Did you not learn anything from the cup game last season?
Patronising much? I meant reputation wise. I don't want people that visited ML on Saturday to think it's always like that.
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I've never purposely missed an Alty match, home or away in any competition but prior to Saturday I stated I would not be there on Tueasday.
Not doubting there are 100's of decent FC united fans but what I saw that night was enough for me. No interest in looking left and right to see who is hanging about at a friendly thanks.
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I've never purposely missed an Alty match, home or away in any competition but prior to Saturday I stated I would not be there on Tueasday.
Not doubting there are 100's of decent FC united fans but what I saw that night was enough for me. No interest in looking left and right to see who is hanging about at a friendly thanks.
Ecky,
Spot on.
You stay at home and keep a close eye on the behaviour of that male model who is lodging in your front room.....
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I will be attending the game, I'm in no mind to boycott a friendly as I don't think there's much point. The scenes on Saturday were a discrace but we must move on as quickly as possible and boycotting a friendly is no way to do so in my mind. I am not at all condemning those who aren't going because the experiences from FCUM last time were truly horrible. However, the game will be segregated and there'll be a police presence and so I don't think there'll be any trouble this time. With all respect, I don't think the club have decided to play the game out of money, after all, paying for extra stewards and police will cost quite a bit extra. I think its been done out of principle. I don't want to be seen as the club that calls off a friendly and I'm sure the club will be taking extra precautions to ensure the safety of everyone in the ground.
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I will be attending the game, I'm in no mind to boycott a friendly as I don't think there's much point. The scenes on Saturday were a discrace but we must move on as quickly as possible and boycotting a friendly is no way to do so in my mind. I am not at all condemning those who aren't going because the experiences from FCUM last time were truly horrible. However, the game will be segregated and there'll be a police presence and so I don't think there'll be any trouble this time. With all respect, I don't think the club have decided to play the game out of money, after all, paying for extra stewards and police will cost quite a bit extra. I think its been done out of principle. I don't want to be seen as the club that calls off a friendly and I'm sure the club will be taking extra precautions to ensure the safety of everyone in the ground.
Without wishing to be rude, the Club can play the game out of their principles ...
And I'll not attend out of mine.
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I think its been done out of principle.
I find this statement utterly confusing. What are the principles involved in going ahead with this match?
Surely there would be a greater principle involved in calling it off?
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I think its been done out of principle.
I find this statement utterly confusing. What are the principles involved in going ahead with this match?
Surely there would be a greater principle involved in calling it off?
I believe that by playing the match we are trying to avoid gaining a bad reputation by calling off a friendly, and as I said before, this way we can move on from the terrible events of Saturday. I completely take on board the fact that its ridiculous that stewards and police are needed for a friendly but after all, we are going to have to deal with large numbers of Mansfield, Wrexham and Northwich fans this year and so dealing with the FCUM fans could actually re-assure people that we are capable of handling trouble makers.
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I will be attending the game, I'm in no mind to boycott a friendly as I don't think there's much point. The scenes on Saturday were a discrace but we must move on as quickly as possible and boycotting a friendly is no way to do so in my mind. I am not at all condemning those who aren't going because the experiences from FCUM last time were truly horrible. However, the game will be segregated and there'll be a police presence and so I don't think there'll be any trouble this time. With all respect, I don't think the club have decided to play the game out of money, after all, paying for extra stewards and police will cost quite a bit extra. I think its been done out of principle. I don't want to be seen as the club that calls off a friendly and I'm sure the club will be taking extra precautions to ensure the safety of everyone in the ground.
Without wishing to be rude, the Club can play the game out of their principles ...
And I'll not attend out of mine.
And as I said before, I have no problem with any Alty fan not attending after witnessing the scenes both on Saturday and in the last friendly with FCUM.
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I take on board your point and see where you are coming from. However, I still think that in this situation we could have called off the match without any fear of losing the moral high ground.
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I have no problem with any Alty fan not attending after witnessing the scenes both on Saturday and in the last friendly with FCUM.
Precisely.
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hello earth to every Alty Fan not going apart from Gaz Warrington why the hell are you staying at home if we can't feel safe in our own ground then why will we feel safe travelling to wrexham. get there get behind the boys and let football win not some f**king animals
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I don't think its right to compare Saturdays (or tomorrows) security arrangements to that of the Wrexham game for example.
I'm pretty sure that the Wrexham game will involve much planning with the Wrexham police and GMP, officers in the town, discussions with landlords, intelligence used etc and it will pass off without a hitch.
We don't need to prove that the 12 superb volunteers from Saturday can handle Wrexham (for example, not picking on them) because the circumstances will be very different.
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hello earth to every Alty Fan not going apart from Gaz Warrington why the hell are you staying at home if we can't feel safe in our own ground then why will we feel safe travelling to wrexham. get there get behind the boys and let football win not some f**king animals
I think there is a thread somewhere with reasons for not attending.
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As usual James you have spectacularly missed the point. No friendly game should require liaison with local police and/or segregation. A lot of Alty fans never wanted this fixture to take place after what happened a couple of years ago and are therefore voting with their feet.
As I could also not give two sh*ts whether we win or lose this game I fail to see why it is necessary to "get behind the lads" for a pointless friendly. As I said previously it can be played behind closed doors for all I care.
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I don't think its right to compare Saturdays (or tomorrows) security arrangements to that of the Wrexham game for example.
I'm pretty sure that the Wrexham game will involve much planning with the Wrexham police and GMP, officers in the town, discussions with landlords, intelligence used etc and it will pass off without a hitch.
We don't need to prove that the 12 superb volunteers from Saturday can handle Wrexham (for example, not picking on them) because the circumstances will be very different.
Fair point, but I still think that by going ahead with the FCUM game we can improve the image of the club in the eyes of some of the parents that were put off on Saturday and maybe bring back some of the first timers that I'm sure were horrified by the week-ends events. I'm not comparing the security measures of tomorrow and Wrexham I'm just saying it may show we can handle trouble makers and Saturday was a one off.
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hello earth to every Alty Fan not going apart from Gaz Warrington why the hell are you staying at home if we can't feel safe in our own ground then why will we feel safe travelling to wrexham. get there get behind the boys and let football win not some f**king animals
For me, it's not so much about safety as being totally the wrong atmosphere I wish to be part of in a "friendly" match.
A case in point being I'll be going to the game at Wrexham with several Wrexham fans who live around here. There may be some nutters at the game, but the police will deal with them - they're used to it.
For the vast majority of us, there's bound to be banter and mickey-taking and that's another reason why I'll be there - because it's fun.
Violence at friendly games aren't and the only way to influence the Club to discontinue games such as this in the future is not to go.
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Would be interesting to know the Board's reasons for non cancellation:
a) It's a vital game in terms of preperation for the squad
b) We need to show that trouble makers won't beat us
c) Who cares if there's a fans boycott, they will bring loads so get the swag bags ready !!!!!
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As usual James you have spectacularly missed the point. No friendly game should require liaison with local police and/or segregation. A lot of Alty fans never wanted this fixture to take place after what happened a couple of years ago and are therefore voting with their feet.
As I could also not give two sh*ts whether we win or lose this game I fail to see why it is necessary to "get behind the lads" for a pointless friendly. As I said previously it can be played behind closed doors for all I care.
I agree police and stewards shouldn't be required and that i am one of these that feel the board are stupid in lettting this game go ahead clearly on a money front a request from me can the money go to pay for catering facilities to go in the away end cheers just a hint. anyway going back to the point yes the game should not be played but it is so i'm going.
Fc United won't win the match and they certainly won't stop me going to watch my team. Friendlies are a thing of the past these days Players are starting to treat them seriously
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I struggle to get to any game so my non attendance will not be a shock to the club or a financial disaster.
However even if my circumstances or priorities were different I would not have attended the FCUM match even if Saturday had not happened.
I hope the match passes off without incident for FCUMs sake as much as ours as if there is any trouble then they're gonna have a job coming on here blaming the Stretford/Salford faction aren't they?
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Its not about hurting the club or not supporting the team, I love alty but I will not be attending on a point of principle, the agro 2 years ago was terrible, the club told us that we wouldnt play them again.
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Ill be attending on tuesday, i think some people have made to much out of it.
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The club clearly dont listen to the fans.
There are many people who attend regularly at Alty who are not coming to the match tomorrow me included.
I hope the match passes without incident but something horrible inside me says it wont and then what will the board say to everyone or worse what will they say to any injured party ???
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Jenga I agree 100% the board sit in there seats and think there more important than everyone behind the goal singing from 1st to last minute. Then when it comes to them saying something they don't take the fans into consideration.Having tuesdays game will hopefully prove that unfortnatly. Fingers crossed it doesn't but if someone gets injured it just might open up some eyes.Best statement ever two years ago We'll never have Fc united here again What a load of bollocks 2 league games we've hosted since then they nearly get us having them here for the FA cup and they finish it off with aranging a friendly.
well done the Alty Board Cheers hope you enjoy tuesday oh what am i on about course you will you won't have the fear in you of getting injured.
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I believe that everything will be ok and FC United will do a "Told you so" and I really hope thats the case.
The fact is if I INVITED someone into my house and they acted like that they WOULD NOT be welcomed again. Simple as.
I DO NOT agree with the board not caring about the fans... I actually strongly disagree that comment and there will prob be a good turnout and WE will make some money, Altrincham FC making money is hardly a reason to believe the board do not listen or care about the club or fans?
Personally I don't think we should play them but obviously they do and they get the casting vote on that one. Its is the board decision to play it and it my decision not to attend.
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At the end of the day the board always has the best interests of Alty at heart and we should back them in their decision.
I am sure they have looked at all the factors prior to making their decision.
Trouble makers should not stop games being played. This sends out totally the wrong message.
As for making money out of the game on Tuesday will we all still be complaining if the money raised allow us to sign a quality player who helps us secure another season in the top flight ???
I think not.
CB - with regard to your boss and his son I would be inclined to give a call to Graeme Rowley at the club and explain this to him and I am sure some free tickets for a league game, maybe with access to the sponsors lounge could be organised for this guy. Let him see what the club is really all about.
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As for making money out of the game on Tuesday will we all still be complaining if the money raised allow us to sign a quality player who helps us secure another season in the top flight
I don't think this game will earn much. Nobody seems to be going.
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Jenga I agree 100% the board sit in there seats and think there more important than everyone behind the goal singing from 1st to last minute. Then when it comes to them saying something they don't take the fans into consideration.Having tuesdays game will hopefully prove that unfortnatly. Fingers crossed it doesn't but if someone gets injured it just might open up some eyes.Best statement ever two years ago We'll never have Fc united here again What a load of bollocks 2 league games we've hosted since then they nearly get us having them here for the FA cup and they finish it off with aranging a friendly.
well done the Alty Board Cheers hope you enjoy tuesday oh what am i on about course you will you won't have the fear in you of getting injured.
James, I was considering deleting that because of the reaction it will get. Hopefully board members will look at who wrote it and understand. Maybe you would consider removing it?
I never wanted us to play Fc United. I believe the board made a bad decision, I've have told the chairman this and its just my opinion.
However its not fair to say the board are safely tucked away in the seats, they spend more time wandering around the ground than sitting down.
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As for making money out of the game on Tuesday will we all still be complaining if the money raised allow us to sign a quality player who helps us secure another season in the top flight
I don't think this game will earn much. Nobody seems to be going.
Not too sure. According to another thread FC took 350 to Kettering on Saturday so who knows how many they will bring to Moss Lane.
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There's a huge amount of point missing going on about what a friendly match means. It just means it is not a competitive game. If you expect hoolies you'd consult the police, landlords and Tesco just as much as you would for a league game.
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Why are we tarring all FCUM fans with the same brush?
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If the board had cancelled the game, there would be criticism from some quarters and also possible future implications for the club.......... If the board allow the game to go ahead, then there is criticism from some quarters and possible future implications for the club !
They are in a no-win situation and I trust them to make the decision that they believe to be the best decision for Altrincham FC. They are the Board and it is their job to do that and not ours.
Whether or not we agree with the decision depends on where we stand on the issue and also being in possession of the same knowledge and details etc etc. However they have a pretty good record so far.
I think most people will agree that the Board are approachable people and will at least discuss the matter. This is something that most clubs at our level don't have ie a board who discuss matters with fans. I know that many people will say they don't listen, but we need to reflect on this comment and ask how much we believe this to be true.
To finish, I am glad I don't have to make this decision, because I can see good reasons to both cancel and to play, but I will place my trust in the Board on this one and sit on the fence.
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Why are we tarring all FCUM fans with the same brush?
At last someone talking sense.
Some of you lot need to get over yourselves.
Lets hope we dont get Trafford in the cup again and they need to use your precious ground, rather go all ticket at their place than step foot in your ground.
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use your precious ground, rather go all ticket at their place than step foot in your ground.
Now I wonder why I don't like you or what your club stands for ???.. Really don;t help your 'perfect image' do you .... Prick.
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use your precious ground, rather go all ticket at their place than step foot in your ground.
Now I wonder why I don't like you or what your club stands for ???.. Really don;t help your 'perfect image' do you .... Prick.
My club stands for fairness and equality, nobody said we wre are perfect. You lot cant even make your minds up about who caused the trouble at Saturday's game but f**k it blame Fc anyway cos of a small incident that happened years ago that was dealt with by our Club in the correct way.
Apologies for the snide comment regarding your ground but it annoys me that my Club have been dragged into something when we were 200 hundred miles away in Kettering.
Anyway enjoy your night tomorrow for those that go, I think you will find it will pass of without incident.
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I have stated that I hope your club does a 'told you so' and all is ok and I have not blamed Saturday on your fans and even said previously the fans I saw \ spoke to AFTER the FC United match were embarrassed by what happened.
You can understand though when you see a youngster get hit and random punching during a 'friendly' match against a team why it might rattle others and make us dubious about hosting a game against them again.
As I said I do not agree with your club as I think its a bit of "Best of both worlds" about it BUT each to their own and I am sure tomo will be fine.
I was merely sticking up for my club as well and you must remember that FC United of Manchester do approach Altrincham about sing our facilities so they can't be that bad ?
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If the board had cancelled the game, there would be criticism from some quarters and also possible future implications for the club.......... If the board allow the game to go ahead, then there is criticism from some quarters and possible future implications for the club !
They are in a no-win situation and I trust them to make the decision that they believe to be the best decision for Altrincham FC. They are the Board and it is their job to do that and not ours.
Whether or not we agree with the decision depends on where we stand on the issue and also being in possession of the same knowledge and details etc etc. However they have a pretty good record so far.
I think most people will agree that the Board are approachable people and will at least discuss the matter. This is something that most clubs at our level don't have ie a board who discuss matters with fans. I know that many people will say they don't listen, but we need to reflect on this comment and ask how much we believe this to be true.
To finish, I am glad I don't have to make this decision, because I can see good reasons to both cancel and to play, but I will place my trust in the Board on this one and sit on the fence.
If the Board hadn't sold their principles by arranging this FCUM game in the first place, then we wouldn't now be embroiled in this fiasco.
Indeed, their record is generally worthy of praise but this matter has been a monumental cock-up.
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they need to use your precious ground
Well, we could compare it to yours, but then you still don't have one of your own do you?
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Why are we tarring all FCUM fans with the same brush?
At last someone talking sense.
Some of you lot need to get over yourselves.
Lets hope we dont get Trafford in the cup again and they need to use your precious ground, rather go all ticket at their place than step foot in your ground.
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Says the man who's club don't even have their own ground.
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Says the man who's club don't even have their own ground.
But you've not even got a pit to go to.
It's a bit low to be calling the homeless don't you think, but then again, you Cheshire lot with your Range Rovers and champagne breakfasts don't care about social issues do you? Guildford of the North that you are.
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i have a range rover? great i don't have to get the 11 home then ;D
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i have a range rover? great i don't have to get the 11 home then ;D
The 11? I bet that's a Stagecoach or Arriva bus. Luxury, I tell you.
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the only luxury i get in wythenshawe is the 11 ::)
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the only luxury i get in wythenshawe is the 11 ::)
Wythenshawe?
The model garden estate? Luxury.
We can't afford gardens round here.
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garden estate lol more like largest council estate in europe. if you want to keep telling me how bad you have it you can keep replying. personally im off to mow the concreate.
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Agree with Cult - if the match had not been arranged in the first place we would have all this.
Talk about should we play or should be cancel should not come into it.
We should be talking about looking forward to playing someone on Tuesday with none of this in the background.
Before anyone says anything, I am not blaming all FCUM fans or Man United fans for the troubles, I am blaming the mindless few against FCUM last time and the mindless thugs on saturday who ruin it for everyone.
It is those thugs that ultimately will blame the state for their poor education, being on the dole and having no money till the day they die.
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Agree with Cult - if the match had not been arranged in the first place we would have all this.
Talk about should we play or should be cancel should not come into it.
We should be talking about looking forward to playing someone on Tuesday with none of this in the background.
Before anyone says anything, I am not blaming all FCUM fans or Man United fans for the troubles, I am blaming the mindless few against FCUM last time and the mindless thugs on saturday who ruin it for everyone.
It is those thugs that ultimately will blame the state for their poor education, being on the dole and having no money till the day they die.
It is them of that description that end up on that horrid morning show Jeremy 'i shout dont talk' Kyle
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use your precious ground, rather go all ticket at their place than step foot in your ground.
Now I wonder why I don't like you or what your club stands for ???.. Really don;t help your 'perfect image' do you .... Prick.
My club stands for fairness and equality, nobody said we wre are perfect. You lot cant even make your minds up about who caused the trouble at Saturday's game but f**k it blame Fc anyway cos of a small incident that happened years ago that was dealt with by our Club in the correct way.
Apologies for the snide comment regarding your ground but it annoys me that my Club have been dragged into something when we were 200 hundred miles away in Kettering.
Anyway enjoy your night tomorrow for those that go, I think you will find it will pass of without incident.
I didn't go on Saturday so I can't comment on what actually happened. I won't be going tomorrow either.
Perhaps the reason why FCUM have been dragged into this is because the lines between MUFC and FCUM are extremely blurred. If it was MK Dons fans rioting would AFC Wimbledon be dragged into it? Probably not, because there is a clear distinction between the two.
But for as long as you've got FCUM fans who claim to be "carrying the torch" for United and who still regard themselves as United deep down, along with people who watch MUFC but pop over to FCUM matches too, then I'm afraid FCUM are always going to get caught up in this, however unfair it might be to the majority of FCUM fans.
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hello earth to every Alty Fan not going apart from Gaz Warrington why the hell are you staying at home if we can't feel safe in our own ground then why will we feel safe travelling to wrexham. get there get behind the boys and let football win not some f**king animals
Well said. Tell me to keep my snotbox out but it would be a cold day in hell before I would let other fans keep me away from MY GROUND. I shall be visiting Alty with KTFC on the 16th August and I expect to be treated well. The same way I've been treated for many past years when visiting your ground.
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Well your all have the choice wether you go or not and so do i. I will be there having already told my wife and upsetting my son before saturdays event missing his last ever play at primary school before he goes to grammer (Didn't get his brains from me) also joining me will be the 11 other stewards who were there on saturday.
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also joining me will be the 11 other stewards who were there on saturday.
Glad to know. Well done lads.