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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Amsterdam Alty on November 18, 2006, 08:45:10 PM
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anyone else happy to see the th giant structure that is peter thompson get on today, i also thought he looked like he could be very dangerous given a couple of games to get his match sharpness back, his flick on head which rod messed up@ the end was good and he gives the defenders a good showing and up against tht brute from morcombe (or wherever!) would not get away with the same as he did with pat if he came up against thommo
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He should have replaced O'Neal on the hour!!
He should be given a chance, we need to be scoring more goals, a fullback as leading scorer is a bit scary?
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did you see the size of him !?!?!?! i knew he was big from what people told me from the reserve games but i think him and little could (with time) turn in to a good partnership. little and Large (sorry but i had to say it.)
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Please explain what Joe O'Neil did wrong yesterday to warrant being took off after an hour ?
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Please explain what Joe O'Neil did wrong yesterday to warrant being took off after an hour ?
He should have been taken off at half time. He cannot control the ball! Everytime he had the ball at his feet, a challenge doesn't even have to come in and he falls over and loses the ball. For the life of me I cannot understand why people say he can control the ball. He's bloody awful. I'm not in the minority either. Where I stand everyone was saying the same thing - why can't he stay on his feet or pass the ball?? He needs to bulk up so he doesn't get knocked over too easily or learn how to kick with a little more power than it takes to kick a balloon.
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CB..did you watch a different game to me. On at least six occasions that I can recall JOe held it up with his chest or feet. Was I seeing things?
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I think you're being kind. Joe O'Neil was awful from start to finish. His contribution yesterday was nil. I've always tried to give the lad a break in the past by commenting on his energy, his ability to hold the ball up etc. Yesterday he was shocking. Maybe there was a reason that GH took Colin off instead of Joe O'Neil. I couldn't see any.
If we want to stay up, we need to win these games. I'm sick of people saying Crawley are a decent side, full time, would be mid table if it were not for...etc They weren't great at all. In fact, they looked mediocre and doomed to me. Why oh why did we not play the same team that started v York away? Why was Rod dropped to the bench and yet another central midfield player brought in? Crawley also packed the midfield and it was the congestion in the centre circle, along with truly the worst ref in the world, which screwed the game up. Poor Scully on their left (as the only proper wide player with pace on the pitch) looked really frustrated - a fish out of water. Terrible yesterday and I've not complained about a match in a long while. Having Dennis stood next to me at the final whistle merely compounded the agony. Come on GH, let's have more ambition at home. Thomson for O'Neil and Thornley for Owen and we might actually be quite threatening.
AltyBri
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CB..did you watch a different game to me. On at least six occasions that I can recall JOe held it up with his chest or feet. Was I seeing things?
Does holding it up consist of him trying to control the ball on his chest with his arms resulting in the ball bouncing off to the opposition, or maybe having the ball at his feet and him falling to the ground because he's too lightweight to withstand another player coming within a couple of feet of him?
So yeah, I think you were seeing things :-\
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Must have been the angle that myself and the people I was standing with were at then. Because a few remarked at how well he was holdng it up, all be it there was no one to lay it off too in the first half.
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Reason he loses it is because the support is not quick enough to him. Do you really expect him to hold the ball up and cross his arms whilst he waits for others ? Suppose you think he should just pass it pointlessly into space and give it away that way rather than trying to wit for others ?
He is officially the new Jason Gallagher, plenty of poor performers yesterday and he just get singled out straight away and predictably so.
As I said I thought he did ok and he was actually singled out from a mate of mine who has no connection with Alty so that must say something. Probably that he is not being pre-judged before he even plays in our eyes.
I get the feeling people are enjoying him not scoring and love knocking his confidence.
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Please don't compare Joe O'Neill to Jason Gallagher.
Jason was a far more prolific goalscorer!
I'm certainly NOT enjoying watching him fail to score.
In fact, it's agony!
Why on earth would I want my team to fail to score?
Frankly - what a ludicrous suggestion.
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what a ludicrous suggestion.
Thought I'd just join in with one of my own as I'm reading enough on here ;)
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Gary,
Whatever happened to my two Alty v Bangor City programmes from 1972 then?
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I bring them with me to every game. They live in my big red 'Flag Bag" so I don't forget them ;)
Grab me (but don't grip too hard) at a game. If I am there, then so our the progammes.
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Not that i have seen anywhere near enough games this season but i thought O'neill had done well in the games i had seen him, he certainly looked to have a touch of quality. Yesterday he just didnt fit with the game alty were playing. Owen was the most effective player on the pitch and linked up well with little in the 1st half. O'neill may be holding up the ball well but its unfair to say nobody gets to him quickly enough. Its more a case of he can't distribute quick enough. he seems stuck in two minds all the time, and had one shot yesterday.
I understand people saying he doesn't need to score every game but the midfielders all had more attempts than him, Thompson made more impact in 10 minutes, and to be honest he looks like he needs confidence. He won't get that in the conference, he's not doing it for Alty and thats not opinion its fact. Other players aren't doing it either but we have other options now up front and i think Thompson and Little are well worth a go! Joe should be on the bench for a while and be brought on, maybe this will take some pressure off him and the fans and make him hungry.
Obviously this will be ridiculed by the forum stalwarts but lets be honest crawley were for the taking yesterday and we didn't take them because the strikers didn't perform, simple as that!
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no ones mentioned the chance stevie bush had off ov the corner move they did @ the end but he crossed, yes i kno the angle was tite but a good blast from tht range and were home and dry, plus lewis, probably pit aother grand on his transfer value after tht effort lol!
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i agree that the forwards were off yesterday!!
We needed width and there was none, especially on the left.
The midfield was too crowded and it smcked as I said previously, that we dd not want too loose, we also forgot about winning!!
Thank god for Lewis.
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Well, it's a game of opinions saint :-\
Joes performances at the moment are consisting largely of good unoticed work coupled with little moments of quality with his quick feet. This is unfortunately coupled with the fact that only (a curently slightly off the pace after injury) Col Little gets around him to play and a lack of belief by every man, woman, child, cat, dog in the ground that he'll actually score.
Last seasons problems were Colin coming to far back to look for the ball due to being isolated and no other partner up front after Robbo left. It's fair to say Joe has solved this somewhat but he isn't going to hold it up for 10 minutes at a time with big defenders clambering all over him like an Alan Shearer or Niall Quinn.
Yesterday, he did fairly weel with the huge Woozeley fouling him constantly, i was at a loss how the ref deemed eevery nudge from the gigantic Steven Rose to be a foul in comparison. ::) However, the fact that he doesn't offer much of a goal threat is putting his all round play under greater scrutiny. ANyone think Rod would have held it up better? No thought not. Hopefully big Thommo will give us an extra dimension that we've been lacking since Marcuss injury and before then Dickie Landon.
Crawley were shaky at times but they were composed enough to stop us building momentum. I think Hiley, Scully, Rendell and Peters would all get a gig at most conference sides tbh. We were good in parts but lacked a bit of surety at times, prob due to the lay off and it is one of the things where part time v full time does come into play a bit. Because of that we couldn't build momentum whcich is what wins us games.
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The Reason Joe O'Neill was taken off was, i would assume the same reason as most other fixtures - i.e.he was knackered after running his B@**$ off for about an hour.
If you actually look at the amount of running he does without the ball, or to be honest any chance of getting the ball but to make space and pull defenders out of position you'd perhaps concur with my view.
Anyhow he always looks goosed when he comes off
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I would agree with the previous comment.
I would therefore suggest we need to change tactics, and have two widemen to take some of the strain and stop banging hopeful balls all the time.
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At last! Didn't we play with two wide men v York recently and look pretty good? Started with O'Neil on left and Thornley on right. Packing the midfield out with players is not going to lead to goals and everybody agrees that goals is what we need.
AltyBri
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The start of this thread refers to the threat of Thompson. Although I am not slating the guy for his size or movement but where on earth do people get the idea that they would form a good partnership, i am not saying they wont cause i hope they do but what evidence is this from, seriously dont understand.I have watched the reserves with Col and Thomson fit together and they looked very mediocre and before you say i know it was only a reserve game,
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I have seen Peter in a few reserve games and he has sttll to prove himself. However he has been injured for many months and Colin has also been out.
If anything is going to Gel it will take some time and the Cnference games will make irt difficult, it will be interesting to see if GH tries this option.
Peter appears to be ok with hids head and has a powerfull shot, lets hope he can hit the target!
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Reason he loses it is because the support is not quick enough to him. Do you really expect him to hold the ball up and cross his arms whilst he waits for others ? Suppose you think he should just pass it pointlessly into space and give it away that way rather than trying to wit for others ?
He is officially the new Jason Gallagher, plenty of poor performers yesterday and he just get singled out straight away and predictably so.
As I said I thought he did ok and he was actually singled out from a mate of mine who has no connection with Alty so that must say something. Probably that he is not being pre-judged before he even plays in our eyes.
I get the feeling people are enjoying him not scoring and love knocking his confidence.
Here Here!!!
I do think some people seem to be unable to comprehend how football should be played.
IT IS A TEAM GAME, not for individuals. Unfortunately Joe cant hold the ball up long enough whilst the other players have a slice of orange and amble up to help him. If that makes Joe a bad player, then sobeit. I do believe some people have no idea about formation, team play and togetherness. But they have great delight in complaining about one of the best players in our team beacuse they have a blinkered view.
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Wasn't at the game on Saturday, however from conference TV Thompson did well, timing of jump for the header was just right.
Could be good for a partnership with Colin. However, we must ensure we don't then adjust our game plan to hoofing it up to Thompson for knock-downs. Variation the key.