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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: andyc on March 15, 2008, 05:15:01 PM
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NOTHING!!! When you play one forward against a mediocre team. The usual tactic of lets go one behind and then bring the forwards on to turn it around when its too late. We have blown it with negative football, crap to watch with no end result. Its looking like 3rd bottom and team selection is to blame. PATHETIC.
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Ouch... :-\
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Fully agree. There have been numerous games this season where we've set up defensivly against mediocre teams,especially at home and lost games we probably could've won if we'd attacked. The likes of Grays,Oxford,Rushden and Ebbsfleet at home spring to mind.
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NOTHING!!! When you play one forward against a mediocre team. The usual tactic of lets go one behind and then bring the forwards on to turn it around when its too late. We have blown it with negative football, crap to watch with no end result. Its looking like 3rd bottom and team selection is to blame. PATHETIC.
And we have already ben told by GG and the board that the same MASTER TACTICIAN will be at the helm next season to guide us out of the BSN.
It's going to be a long, long summer. ??? ??? ???
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If you get what you deserve then both Crawley and Northwich will be booted out.
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Surely his pride will not allow him to continue after whats looks like two relegations in sucessive years? Regardless of the boards loyalty.
I have just booked on for Aldershot by the way
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When you have no money to spend then what does he do?
If we cannot buy some good part time players then we will always struggle, other teams always appear fitter and then is what counts in this league.
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Surely his pride will not allow him to continue after whats looks like two relegations in sucessive years? Regardless of the boards loyalty.
I have just booked on for Aldershot by the way
If you want to be pedantic (and Unemployed Coalminer confirms that I do!), then surely (God forbid) it would be three relegations in successive years?
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No..don't agree. We enough points the first time round.
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It is time to admit the team are just not good enough. All we can do now is rely on someone being thrown out for non footballing reasons (again). If we get away with it for the third time improvements must be made for next season.
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GH also appears to have a winger phobia. Wouldn't play Potts, Logan and won't play Roca. He should have started today with Senior and Little up front and Roca on the wing and on Tues against Crawley when Cahill should have started. Two games we realistically had a chance to win. In answer to what can GH do, start with your best team. For me he has lost the plot, Lane on the right wing (Tues), Shotton up front (today). Probably too late now, changes need making because the fans deserve to see attacking football not negative sh*te. There's no excuse after Aldershot to not see 2 centre forwards and a winger start the remaining games. What have we got to lose.
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andyc - you are spot on. But, GH will NOT start with one winger, let alone two against Aldershot. He certainly won't start with two strikers. It'll be a case of no shots on target again and playing for a very unlikely 0-0. Normally, I'd say, defensive tactics at Aldershot were ok, but now we've blown all the games we had half a chance in. HE is 100% to blame for the situation we presently find ourselves in (no doubt there will be apologists on disputing this). This is the point I was trying to make when he left Cahill out of the team against Crawley. To all but the blinkered, that was pathetic. One up front at Grays says it all really. Hey, but don;t worry - Joe will be back!!!
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Truly awful game of football today. The first half in particular was one of the worst halves of football I've ever seen.
Alty appeared to be playing one up front first half, but the formation was more like 4-6-0. No passing, possibly because there was no Alty player further up the pitch to pass to.
Second half was a bit better. Ryan Shotton played up front for most of it (?!), long before Senior came on. The main tactic seemed to be to lump it up to Shotton, who to be fair did OK up front.
The last 15 mins or so we actually tried to play a bit of football and looked OK. Paid far, far, far too much respect to an average Grays side. If we'd tried to have played football we could have got something today, but that would mean changing the tactics, which are seemingly set in stone?
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This says it all. GH appears to not want to be playing in this league. Lets have someone in charge who does. I've been watching Alty for 25 years or more and have never felt so annoyed. As someone else said we have got the players to get out of this but they are blatantly not being used to the best of their ability.
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Today was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, the team had no shape and looked completely and utterly inept throughout. Grays were absolutely dreadful and we offered nothing of any worth in any department. I could write pages and pages describing how bad we were today but I simply don't want to waste any more of my day.
GH has done great things for this club and he should always be remembered as someone who contributed to many good times over long periods. However, common sense must prevail - everyone has a shelf life and Graham is no exception. The game plan today was apalling, arguably non-existent and when things get this bad it is time for change. None of this flannel about Graham being the best manager in non league, it simply isn't true.
Ken McKenna is available - it's time to do the right thing and make that call.
Thanks for everything Graham but it's time to move on.
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Spot on post 365,couldn't have put it better myself!
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Today was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, the team had no shape and looked completely and utterly inept throughout. Grays were absolutely dreadful and we offered nothing of any worth in any department. I could write pages and pages describing how bad we were today but I simply don't want to waste any more of my day.
GH has done great things for this club and he should always be remembered as someone who contributed to many good times over long periods. However, common sense must prevail - everyone has a shelf life and Graham is no exception. The game plan today was apalling, arguably non-existent and when things get this bad it is time for change. None of this flannel about Graham being the best manager in non league, it simply isn't true.
Ken McKenna is available - it's time to do the right thing and make that call.
Thanks for everything Graham but it's time to move on.
I refer you to Darren's thread ("Resolute Grays...."):
"Altrincham boss Graham Heathcote was in sombre mood.
He said: "We didnt show enough hunger and desire out there today. It s a real struggle at the bottom. We have to face facts and realise that losses like that will see us relegated.
I'm seeing the chairman on monday and we will take it from there.""
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all the above is true. i think fans will accept defeat and even relegation but will not accept their side never making any attempt to win the game.
playing one up without breaking midfield players is incredibly negative
how does anyone in their right mind think little can play up on his own? to realise this and put a centre half up there? to me it didnt look like there was a plan beyond hoping to keep them out and nick a lucky goal.
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I think (by the sounds of it) we have just got in our new target man up front. A good idea in principle, but flawed (slightly) on ability
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how many true wingers do we have in the squad? i think this problem alone is enough for us to concede games
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Dont Panic !!! as long as Vics the f*ck up then Halifax will save the day !!! wont they??
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Dont Panic !!! as long as Vics the f*ck up then Halifax will save the day !!! wont they??
Vics won today and have two very winnable home games this week with Weymouth on Tuesday and Farsley on Saturday so i wouldn't rule them out of it just yet.
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Today was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, the team had no shape and looked completely and utterly inept throughout. Grays were absolutely dreadful and we offered nothing of any worth in any department. I could write pages and pages describing how bad we were today but I simply don't want to waste any more of my day.
GH has done great things for this club and he should always be remembered as someone who contributed to many good times over long periods. However, common sense must prevail - everyone has a shelf life and Graham is no exception. The game plan today was apalling, arguably non-existent and when things get this bad it is time for change. None of this flannel about Graham being the best manager in non league, it simply isn't true.
Ken McKenna is available - it's time to do the right thing and make that call.
Thanks for everything Graham but it's time to move on.
I refer you to Darren's thread ("Resolute Grays...."):
"Altrincham boss Graham Heathcote was in sombre mood.
He said: "We didnt show enough hunger and desire out there today. It s a real struggle at the bottom. We have to face facts and realise that losses like that will see us relegated.
I'm seeing the chairman on monday and we will take it from there.""
And the chairman will say : " Graham Heathcote is the best man to return us to the BSP". ??? ??? ???
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Today was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, the team had no shape and looked completely and utterly inept throughout. Grays were absolutely dreadful and we offered nothing of any worth in any department. I could write pages and pages describing how bad we were today but I simply don't want to waste any more of my day.
GH has done great things for this club and he should always be remembered as someone who contributed to many good times over long periods. However, common sense must prevail - everyone has a shelf life and Graham is no exception. The game plan today was apalling, arguably non-existent and when things get this bad it is time for change. None of this flannel about Graham being the best manager in non league, it simply isn't true.
Ken McKenna is available - it's time to do the right thing and make that call.
Thanks for everything Graham but it's time to move on.
Yes, and cheerio from me too, GH. ;D ;D ;D
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It will surely get to the point where GH will walk, especially if the players are showing little desire?
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It will surely get to the point where GH will walk, especially if the players are showing little desire?
We can only hope :D :D :D
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Today was an absolute disgrace from start to finish, the team had no shape and looked completely and utterly inept throughout. Grays were absolutely dreadful and we offered nothing of any worth in any department. I could write pages and pages describing how bad we were today but I simply don't want to waste any more of my day.
GH has done great things for this club and he should always be remembered as someone who contributed to many good times over long periods. However, common sense must prevail - everyone has a shelf life and Graham is no exception. The game plan today was apalling, arguably non-existent and when things get this bad it is time for change. None of this flannel about Graham being the best manager in non league, it simply isn't true.
Ken McKenna is available - it's time to do the right thing and make that call.
Thanks for everything Graham but it's time to move on.
Yes, and cheerio from me too, GH. ;D ;D ;D
Unlike you it gives me no pleasure to be saying the above. I have no wish to be associated with you and your poisonous posts. My feelings on this subject, however strong they may be, are motivated with the club in mind and not pure hatred of Graham Heathcote.
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Well said 365. Ignore egos, the priority iswhat is best for the club. GH will also see that.
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I've waited till today to post about yesterday's match, because I wanted to give a calm assessment.
My biggest feeling this morning is one of sadness. I wondered to myself at one point yesterday 'would a neutral fan watching this want Alty to stay in the Conference Premier?' And I think the honest answer is no. Because we simply do not try to play football. The way the team was set up yesterday (a solo striker totally unsuited to that role, two wide players who offered no threat at all, three basically defensives central midfielders), it was actually impossible for the team to play any football.
I think one of the reasons that the fans are so unhappy with GH's negative tactics is that, while he claims we'd be taken apart if we went more attacking, we've never seen any proof of that. In other words, let's see what happens if we have a go at teams. Because if it works, great, and if it doesn't at least we the fans will have more appreciation for GH's tactics this season.
The truth is though that to change the tactics now would feel like an admission of a mistake from GH, so it won't happen. Even if we somehow get to the Weymouth game needing a win to stay up, I bet we start 4-5-1.
I've not given up hope, no way. But unless things change, it does look like we're going down and in footballing terms we won't be missed. And that, above all, is what hurts me.
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I really do have a feeling of deja vu. This arguement keeps coming up again and again and again! It's a simple fact, we keep starting defensive and we keep loosing games. I'd love it if someone could pull a formation to points ratio out from somewhere. We've got the squad to stay up, but when we're starting 4-5-1 it isn't going to happen. And it's f**king horrid to watch as well.
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Before Crawley, I was confident of staying up..simply because we have a better team than the previous seasons and the bottom 5 are very weak this year...but what is the point in having a better team on paper if the tactics against poor teams like Crawley and Grays are sh*t? After the Crawley match, every single one of my opinions changed and after watching the passionless display at Grays aswell, I can only accept we are doomed. The most disappointing thing is that I wanted to enjoy the end of this season, so that if we were relegated I could look back and say we gave it a real go and we had some great moments...but with the tactics and general play at the moment, it's going to be one of the most painful era's watching Alty for me. SORT IT OUT NOW BEFORE IT REALLY IS TOO LATE! We have two relegation battles that we must win plus two games against mid-table teams that we must get something from...get together and show some passion!
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Playing Devils Advocaat(Nasty Warninks) I would suspect from things that have gone on before, that The Grahams' thoughts are that if we go for a more attacking formation we will be too far behind before we can consider scoring. At least with the 4-1-4-1 we can defend and nick a point or 3 playing a counter attacking game.
It has nearly worked on some occassions.
However, I say "Nearly" & "Some"......
Anyone remember the last scene from Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid? If we have to go down, lets go down in glory!
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Partly, perhaps. But the real problem starts at the top with a chairman, who for all he may have done in the past to rescue the club, has no ambition and no vision for Alty beyond that of a cosy, community-based social club pottering around in some minor league, and a manager who has had to go along with this for so long that he now seems to believe it too (where is that tigerish midfielder of days gone by).
Without a new vision to attract new investment Alty will inevitably slide into total obscurity (if not oblivion) and no tinkering at the margins will change that. Don't forget that Ken McKenna had pots of money at TNS
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Right, my turn ...
Again waited til this morning to see what mood I'd be in and all I can say is Gutted. Gutted for the fan who keep going and supporting the team, gutted for Liam King who (AGAIN) was the best player on the pitch by miles, Gutted for Coburn for having to YET AGAIN pick the ball up out the net cos of defensive error, GUTTED For Senior for having watch whilst Shotton was pushed upfront before he was given a chance.
We CAN NOT be negative at this stage of the seasons, draws are probably not good enough for us. We need to attack teams, problem being at the beginning of the season its ok to see if we can hold out and then hit teams on the break but now after all these games (and it NOT WORKING) we will find it hard to break down any team that goes ahead against us. These teams practice defending 1-0 leads whereas we get a Thursday to do everything...
Sorry but its simply not good enough, I'm not going to have a go at individual players or officials at the club but its about time people had the balls to stand up and be counted and show how much they want Alty to succeed. If you are not up to the fight or can not do the job then fake injury, get sent off , walkaway, do anything so you are not influencing what is happening on the pitch.
Sorry but rant over... For now.
Oh and as a note the fans yesterday were stilling singing and supporting til the final whistle.... PLAYERS look at Crawley, FGR and Grays support (or lack of it)... Well I can tell you thats what the atmopshere is like at EVERY Conference North ground .. Where would you rather be ???
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I think the crux of the matter is that draws won't keep us up now. In some ways I have sympathy for GH in that when we are 4-4-2 we look very vulnerable and 4-5-1 appears to be the only way we can look at all secure (it unfortunately means we don't look like scoring etiher).
In that sense I would say that we are really missing Val Owen protecting the defence this seaon, that much is now apperent. In fact, we're missing Lewis Chalmers to be honest and even to a lesser extent Steve Bushell.
That we are missing a player (altho a legend) who is now 36 or so is a sad indictment ofour planning for this season.
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not really the place for it but, thanks to the london alty fans for letting me hang around with them yesterday. despite the game i had a good day and reminded myself why i used to do it. thanks
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Jim got your PM, sorry we didn't meet up. The "alternative South London Crew" tend to be a bit hardcore as regards the drinking day even if there were only 2 members yesterday. Still feel like crap after hitting the sack about 2ish.