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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: James Black on February 05, 2008, 11:01:00 PM
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will anybody be have a quick 2 mins silence tomorrow or don't u care about another clubs tradgedy :( :(
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how can anybody not care about something as tragic as that,even 50 years on it effects people who werent even born all that time ago.lets just hope nothing like that ever happens again.
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agreed m8 i'm as big united fan as alty and it just disheartens me when people refer to us as Munich
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Any one who sings about the disaster or people Munichs really need their head sorting out. It really appears to be mainly City fans. but I reserve judgement on this.
I have heard many people call United fans Munich Bast***s etc and that is even at Moss Lane. A complete disgrace if you ask me.
You don't see United fans call Liverpool fans Hillsboroughs etc
When people die in any circumstance, especially a disater they all deserve respect, and everyone should respect the dead.
I just hope nothing like that happens again to anyone.
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will anybody be have a quick 2 mins silence tomorrow or don't u care about another clubs tradgedy :( :(
The people who lost their lives had family, friends, colleagues and thousands of people to whom they were heoes.
Whoever they played for, this was a tragedy for people & football.
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Actually, utd fans do sing Hillsborough songs regulaly at Anfield, and the the swamp when they play Liverpool, but when the boots on the other foot, they don't like it. Whilst it obviously was a terrible tragedy, utd don't half milk it for all its worth. Anything to get a bit more money of the prawn sandwich brigade.
I hope the Blues don't shout during the silence, but they are bound to be a few mindless idiots who will spoil the good name of MAn City (my second team BTW, before you start)
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Actually, utd fans do sing Hillsborough songs regulaly at Anfield, and the the swamp when they play Liverpool, but when the boots on the other foot, they don't like it. Whilst it obviously was a terrible tragedy, utd don't half milk it for all its worth. Anything to get a bit more money of the prawn sandwich brigade.
I hope the Blues don't shout during the silence, but they are bound to be a few mindless idiots who will spoil the good name of MAn City (my second team BTW, before you start)
Comments about United milking it are probably best on the City forums mate really. A lot of United fans follow Alty as a second team and comments like like are only going to stir up bad feeling.
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City fans have been heard singing (to the tune of Yellow Submarine)
"We're all going to the Golden Jubilee"
Appalling, the tragedy affected all football people including City with the death of Frank Swift.
I went in the pub on Monday and there was a programme about it on BBC4. Never been in a pub in total silence before....surreal but I thought very apposite
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Many United fans accept that they use Munich too much, just look at the response to AIG getting themselves onto the memorial.
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Of course it also affected the England team who I make no apologies for saying we should all care about. Who knows what might have been achieved in 1958 and 1962 without Munich?
People talk about Pele but there was some fantastic English talent that came to grief that day. Very sad.
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i challenge you to proof united 'fans' singing Hillsborough songs, regardless what united and other fans think of Hillsborough, they still respect that people died and that can never be forgotten, United 'fans' treat other tragedy's the way that they expect Munich to be treated. Today is a very sad day, watching some of the tributes just highlights how emotional it can be especially to those who were involved or were around to remember that day.
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Now back when i was a lad,The teams and supporters showed respect and you would never had got city fans behaving like that.Munich was felt throughout the footballing world and as such respect should and i hope will be shown.
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I think the City fans have been judged and found guilty before they have done anything wrong.
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I think the City fans have been judged and found guilty before they have done anything wrong.
100% agree..just maybe..with the whole world watching they will put rivalry aside for 60 seconds.
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I think the City fans have been judged and found guilty before they have done anything wrong.
The song about the Golden Jubilee was heard and is a fact.
When the Club and the Official Supporters Club are concerned enough to request that the Silence be substituted with applause to 'drown out the idiots' it doesn't look too positive does it.
Sadly the people who are likely to besmirch the whole thing are a tiny minority...the majority of City Fans, like most football fans are fine civilised human beings who will observe the silence impeccably.
All the debate, in the media, here, and elsewhere will be just what they're after I fear
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I think the City fans have been judged and found guilty before they have done anything wrong.
The song about the Golden Jubilee was heard and is a fact.
and city fans are being judged in advance because some people sang a song.
as was posted on another day, i have heard alty fans sing about burning macc fans but i dont expect them to do it
oh and anyone who is in denial about man u fans singing stuff about hillsorough needs their head examining
very few clubs fans are completely blameless
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I am going to the (other) manchester derby on sunday and I'm just concerned that the whole min scilence has been blown out of all proportion, yes everyone should observe it and the tragedy was horrible and an unjust loss of life however the way some are treating it if some city fans are knobs (every club has their fair share) do disrespect the silence then it will be a huge disgusting slight on the dead, in fact it will be a few knobs and they should not be given the amount of time or attention that this will currently bring.
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Minute silence .. I prefer a minutes clapping..
I think clapping is better cos then you can decide whether to participate or not where as a minutes silence is forcing someone to acknowledge. I'm sure some City fans don't want to acknowledge it but by it being silence they are forced to.
I like the George Best being a clapping one as people could choose whether to participate or not.
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The comment about City fans being judged before they have done anything wrong is a stupid arguement. They have done it wrong for years already - FACT
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a minutes applause is not really appropriate considering so many were killed,its a sign of respect not celebration of their lives.
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Why anyone in football would not want to remember Munich is beyond me. The small minority of City fans who mock the disaster manage to forget Frank Swift's death in the crash. Likewise those England fans (again a minority) who are anti-United seem to ignore that there were England players who perished that day.
They weren't murderers, or paedophiles, or criminals. They were talented young footballers, many of whom played for their country as well as their club. If people don't feel the need to publicly demonstrate their sadness at the crash then that's fair enough. However, there's a difference between that and being deliberately disrespectful.
Also, if you have a minutes applause because you're worried there'll be boos, then the people who boo have won...
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I'm pretty sure the minutes silence will be properly observed and respected all around the ground, I can't see it not being.
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Nothing to do with 'booing' in my opinion just that it means people are 'forced' to acknowledge it. I understand that clapping is maybe not the best thing but it gives people the option. If a person CHOSE not to clap for someone or something it wouldn't be noted but if they were talking through a minutes silence it would be frowned upon.
I just think people should have a choice and a minutes silence is not a choice in my opinion as you are forced to acknowledge. Of course I personlly would keep quiet for a minute just to be polite, and not always because I agree or care with what the silence is for (how many times before games have you given minutes silence for someone you have never met?) but some people would not want to acknowledge and whether that is right or wrong they should still have the choice.
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The comment about City fans being judged before they have done anything wrong is a stupid arguement. They have done it wrong for years already - FACT
i love people who write inane things and end it by saying FACT
it reassures me that they have the facts to their fingertips and could bring them out if they needed to. i bow to your greater font size
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Nothing to do with 'booing' in my opinion just that it means people are 'forced' to acknowledge it. I understand that clapping is maybe not the best thing but it gives people the option. If a person CHOSE not to clap for someone or something it wouldn't be noted but if they were talking through a minutes silence it would be frowned upon.
I just think people should have a choice and a minutes silence is not a choice in my opinion as you are forced to acknowledge. Of course I personlly would keep quiet for a minute just to be polite, and not always because I agree or care with what the silence is for (how many times before games have you given minutes silence for someone you have never met?) but some people would not want to acknowledge and whether that is right or wrong they should still have the choice.
Gary as a football fan why on hells earth would people not want to acknoledge such a disaster on its 50th anniversay ?
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Why do people not acknowledge Hillsborough, why will people not acknoweldge the countless number of players that have died either on the pitch or during their career on the 50th aniversary of their deaths ?
Just cos you are a 'football fan' doesn't mean you HAVE to do \ acknowledge anything and thats my point... just like anything.. Diana (won;t call her princess) died and I can't say i was too bothered but loads of people mourned for her. Thats their choice.
By the way I am just playing devils advocate here.
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By the way I am just playing devils advocate here.
The ARE the devils child !!!
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Oh come on I "Used to be" but I'm a changing man ;)
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Oh come on I "Used to be" but I'm a changing man ;)
I reserve judgement until after saturday
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Are we wearing black armbands (us and Droy) on Saturday and having a minutes appriciation?
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"Munich" was even acknowledged on Coronation Street!
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Granada reports dedicated the whole programme to it. The Manchester Evening News printed a special edition. People were laying flowers at Old Trafford all day.
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Apologies in advance as I know this isn't the right place but I do think the level of media coverage has been OTT about Munich (esp The Guardian in the last few weeks). United fans do sing about Hillsborough every time they play Liverpool, they frequently sing about the on pitch death of Marc Vivien Foe when they play City too, the papers are praying for some City fans to disrupt the silence on Sunday so they can chuck out all the usual cliches. Of course it was a deeply tragic event and anyone who disrupts any silence for it wants their head examining but GW is right, we're all being forced to be a part of United's grief fest whether you like it or not, all this bollocks about 'Sir Matt', 'United's traditions', 'the babes' I couldn't give a flying fcuk. If Fergie wants a good youngster these days he just goes to Portugal and pays millions for one.
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I'm a united fan. A season ticket holder. But I've been getting disillusioned with the lack of competition for years. Now I've started standing on the popular side watching the lads. and I f**kin love it. I have the upmost admiration for you lads who support Alty 1st, 2nd and 3rd. You are a bunch of clowns (with the greatest respect), but like one of you screams its the 'red and white bastards' isn't it.
Here comes the sales pitch:
6 from 6. I don't think I'm being outrageous but I think every person here believes the lads can do it (and I know you'll be behind the boys sat.), if we believe it, it will happen.
See you, Saturday lads.
COME ON YOU RED AND WHITE T**tS.
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, all this bollocks about 'Sir Matt', 'United's traditions', 'the babes' I couldn't give a flying fcuk. If Fergie wants a good youngster these days he just goes to Portugal and pays millions for one.
Notwithstanding the 1999 Champions League winning squad filled with talent from the United Youth: Beckham, The Nevilles, Scholes etc
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was overrated beckham really part of the Man U youth set up though or stolen from another ? ;)
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Dont know if this has already been mentioned as i couldnt be bothered reading all the essays written on here but i dont think most city fans will remember that there ex goalkeeper-turned journalist also died in the crash. If not for the united players at least for him...
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Dont know if this has already been mentioned as i couldnt be bothered reading all the essays written on here but i dont think most city fans will remember that there ex goalkeeper-turned journalist also died in the crash. If not for the united players at least for him...
Well I couldnt be bothered reading your post either.
erm,
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Nobody under 60 will remember it due to not being born, but there has been so much publicity that even if City fans have never heard of Frank Swift they must surely know about him now.