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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: markecky on January 14, 2008, 04:04:11 PM
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Woking board says that Alty v Woking has been moved forward to Thursday 31st January for live coverage.
Wonders never cease
http://www.wokingfc.co.uk/pages/news.asp?ID=1907
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Until Setanta decide to pull it again!
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What do we get financially for this again, I can foresee a max 600 gate with negligible travelling support for that on a Thursday?
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I think we get £5000 (plus the share of the pot at the end of the season)
I don't think it will hit the crowd that much. Woking would have brought 50 on a Saturday, probably be 25 now and we will have our usual 700.
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woking dont bring many as it is they only took 50 when we played them
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TV coverage now confirmed on official site.
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£5k will mean its worthwhile then, although I still am not keen on the chopping and changing of fixtures.
Why the Peake for the previous FFS?
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£5k will mean its worthwhile then, although I still am not keen on the chopping and changing of fixtures.
Why the Peake for the previous FFS?
Because there are some very sad and spineless people around who would rather click a stupid button than express an intelligent opinion.
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great news we can finally be on tv at moss lane (fingers crossed) hope it's a good game as i've just convinced 5 people in my office to tune in
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I know i am in the minority on this one but i believe Setanta will do as much damage to non league football as Sky have done to the premier league. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Clubs should refuse to move fixtures just to suit television companies. The sooner Setanta die the better.
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I know i am in the minority on this one but i believe Setanta will do as much damage to non league football as Sky have done to the premier league. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Clubs should refuse to move fixtures just to suit television companies. The sooner Setanta die the better.
Agreed the highlight program is good but the financial arrangements are a joke for the live games..
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£5k will mean its worthwhile then, although I still am not keen on the chopping and changing of fixtures.
Why the Peake for the previous FFS?
Because there are some very sad and spineless people around who would rather click a stupid button than express an intelligent opinion.
The bad news is that I clicked a stoopid button. The good news is it was a Goodwin.
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I know i am in the minority on this one but i believe Setanta will do as much damage to non league football as Sky have done to the premier league. The rich will get richer and the poor will get poorer. Clubs should refuse to move fixtures just to suit television companies. The sooner Setanta die the better.
Agreed the highlight program is good but the financial arrangements are a joke for the live games..
Well, we're being paid £5,000. A very useful sum of money at our level, and no that won't be eaten up by 500 people who would have been there on a Saturday giving it a miss.
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I personally think this TV deal is a joke to be honest. Like someone posted previously the bigger clubs will get richer and the smaller will lose out. Im glad we fianlly have a game being shown at moss lane as they have shown us the boot on the previous occasiouns, 3rd time luky. However, there seems to be a constant trend with sh*tanta, that they will only show the big clubs like Oxford, Exeter and Torquay Woking. Torquay have been on the box evey month i think and execter have been on 4 or 5 times. Dont you think the relegation scraps are jst as exciting to watch as the play off hopefulls are.
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but in truth don't you think most armchair supporters of football (those that have only ever seen it on tv) are probably more interested in the premiership for a start and for setanta to make it worth there while to show the confrence (which is better off for it - how else would we be guarenteed 7k a season) they have to show teams that these peopl have heard of so that they actually tune in. and im sure that the top 4 or 5 teams in this division play a lot better football than we do. just like either united, arsenal and chelski are shown on sky more over the season than the likes of derby,wigan and Birmingham, it's all about ratings and unfortunatly we don't capture the attention of the armchair supporter like an oxford or torquay do (plus for there part of showing small clubs they show histon as the lil club that could)
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but in truth don't you think most armchair supporters of football (those that have only ever seen it on tv) are probably more interested in the premiership for a start and for setanta to make it worth there while to show the confrence (which is better off for it - how else would we be guarenteed 7k a season) they have to show teams that these peopl have heard of so that they actually tune in. and im sure that the top 4 or 5 teams in this division play a lot better football than we do. just like either united, arsenal and chelski are shown on sky more over the season than the likes of derby,wigan and Birmingham, it's all about ratings and unfortunatly we don't capture the attention of the armchair supporter like an oxford or torquay do (plus for there part of showing small clubs they show histon as the lil club that could)
Wise words from The Duke there!!!
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Understand what you are saying Duke, but its not the way the conference should be going, football needs to be made as fair as possible to try and stop money ruining it at this level. How anyone can justify a TV deal where the rich clubs get richer is beyond me, it is just plain immoral to the good of the game. In an ideal world the conference bosses should only allow a deal that benefits each club equally regardless of who is most popular and shown the most on TV. The smaller clubs especially the part time ones have a mountain to clime alreadywithout Setanta making the gap bigger.
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i am not trying to justify the deal i was just saying why it is at it is. the unfortunate truth is that in this world nothing is fair and money goes to money
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i am not trying to justify the deal i was just saying why it is at it is. the unfortunate truth is that in this world nothing is fair and money goes to money
Yeah agree nothing is fair and wasn’t pointing at you directly, more at the conference bosses. Non league to me is about the way football should be played with a certain honesty, dignity and old fashioned ethos. This is slowly being ripped away by the corruption that money and TV deals brings..
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agreed non league is football as it should be, cheap games (except oxford), terracing (except oxford), friendly atmosphere (except oxford), and players playing for the love of the game rather than big money deals. however it must be nice for those living in exile to have a chance to see highlights of alty games on a weekly basis.
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Ballers.......If the appearance money is £5,000 my point is teams like Oxford, Torquay, Exeter etc will receive this £5,000 about five times each because they are shown a lot more often than Altrincham. So giving Altrincham £5,000 and giving the bigger clubs £25,000 does not help Altrincham. It just widens the gap between rich and poor. I know some fans who live too far away will appreciate the chance to see the team on television but why must it be on a Thursday night? Whenever possible games should be played at 3pm on Saturday. No game should ever be moved just because a television company demand it.
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In this debate it is worth noting that the Conference TV deal is one of the fairer ones in football.
At the Conference AGM (or another meeting) it was agreed that the money recieved for appearing on the TV should be reduced to each club per game and a larger amount paid into the pool. This is then split evenly over the 24 clubs at the end of the season. Naturally it was the smaller clubs that wanted this!
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A lot of premier league clubs sign players on contracts they can't afford without television money. This makes the clubs dependent on Sky which is why they allow fixtures to be played whenever Sky want them. Setanta want to do the same thing with the BSP. Kick them out now before they do serious damage.
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A lot of premier league clubs sign players on contracts they can't afford without television money. This makes the clubs dependent on Sky which is why they allow fixtures to be played whenever Sky want them. Setanta want to do the same thing with the BSP. Kick them out now before they do serious damage.
So we 'kick them out' for acting (no doubt) within the terms of the contract that was agreed with the clubs last year? On what basis?
Setanta's involvement might not be ideal for any number of reasons, but like it or not, this is the reality of football now.
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On the basis that we will soon see the end of the traditional 3pm Saturday kick off and they will create a small group of superpowers while the majority of clubs survive on scraps thrown to them by the great Setanta.
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but if we are never on setanta we can still kick off at 3pm no problem
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Football on TV is a commercial enterprise and as such nobody should be surprised that a TV company will want to show what they consider the bigger games. They are not a charity. What do you propose? A communist style TV setup? It will not work in a commercial climate.
Now whether you want the cameras there in the first place or not is another matter. I do not think that Setanta are really going to make that much difference to the gulf that already exists between part-time clubs like ourselves and the big boys like Oxford and Torquay. £5000 is going to be of far more value to us than £20000 would be to Oxford anyway....it's all relative. We are going to lose VERY few supporters through the gates on a matchday as the result of a televised game (and certainly nowhere near five grands worth).
If you want to rail at anyone, you should be directing your views towards the governing bodies of football and NOT the TV companies for it is they that have agreed to current contracts as they stand
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In all fairness, to the untrained eye the Alty v Woking fixture looks about as attractive as Margaret Beckett with toothache.
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In all fairness, to the untrained eye the Alty v Woking fixture looks about as attractive as Margaret Beckett with toothache.
You won't feel that way after the game when we've won it and moved further away from the bottom four - and nearer the Weymouth (and Woking)
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In all fairness, to the untrained eye the Alty v Woking fixture looks about as attractive as Margaret Beckett with toothache.
You won't feel that way after the game when we've won it and moved further away from the bottom four - and nearer the Weymouth (and Woking)
I don't feel like that at all. I'm really looking forward to it. Like I said, "to the untrained eye" it is not an attractive fixture.
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Although I agree that it makes the top clubs a bit richer but surely for us if its making us richer than the clubs in the conference north its a good thing.
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I hear/read what you're saying Baldrick and football should be played at 3pm Saturday, (incidentally I hate Utd games being shown in oubs on Saturdays) and that's a slightly different argument. What I'm saying is that we get a reasonable amount of money (see Ecky's post) out of this deal. If Setanta want to show Torquay all the time then fine.
What I can't understand is why they think Oxford and Torquay are attractive. They're less attractive than all the league 2 sides, I'd no more tune into watch them than Crawley or Woking. At least the non league clubs have a novelty factor.
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Peake, Peake me do,
You know you love to,
For expressing a view,
So please........Peake me do.
Come on Setanta ya good thing.
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What I can't understand is why they think Oxford and Torquay are attractive. They're less attractive than all the league 2 sides, I'd no more tune into watch them than Crawley or Woking. At least the non league clubs have a novelty factor.
I also agree that in an ideal world games should kick-off at 3pm on a Saturday, but we don't live in an ideal world and we are now used to (not necessarily happy with) kick-off times all over the place.
As for the Oxford/Torquay thing, they attract a larger support than the likes of us, they are better known by the general public than the likes of us and they are more successful than the likes of us. I also would be no more inclined to watch them than Crawley or even Droylsden (and I subscribe to Setanta), but the great unwashed (like it or like it not) are more likely to watch Torquay play Aldershot (for example) than Alty vs Crawley (for example).
What I don't understand is why people are surprised by TV companies programming.
As said earlier, the deal was agreed by the league and the clubs....if you feel that it is a bad deal it is they that should be the target of your complaints (not referring to you Ballers).
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Just for baldrick.....
All not rosy in the Setanta garden?
(The Mail On Sunday: 13th January 2008)
Setanta need push to reach 2m target
Talk of an ITV Digital-style meltdown seems premature but there is no doubt that the next few months will be crucial for satellite TV company Setanta.
Despite the announcement that they had hit their initial target of a million premium subscribers just before Christmas, rumours abound that Setanta are struggling under the weight of their big-money challenge to Sky.
The City is already being warned that, with consumers feeling the pinch, Sky's own forthcoming results will be disappointing.
If anything, Setanta are more vulnerable to viewers making economies and, although in the next football season they will add England and FA Cup games to their portfolio, it seems inevitable that they will lose customers during the summer because their schedule looks rather bare after failing to pinch Super League rugby from Sky.
Setanta, who have borrowed much of the £800million to fund their football contracts, are said to need two million subscribers to achieve their goal of being in profit by 2009.
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Just for baldrick.....
All not rosy in the Setanta garden?
(The Mail On Sunday: 13th January 2008)
Setanta need push to reach 2m target
Talk of an ITV Digital-style meltdown seems premature but there is no doubt that the next few months will be crucial for satellite TV company Setanta.
Despite the announcement that they had hit their initial target of a million premium subscribers just before Christmas, rumours abound that Setanta are struggling under the weight of their big-money challenge to Sky.
The City is already being warned that, with consumers feeling the pinch, Sky's own forthcoming results will be disappointing.
If anything, Setanta are more vulnerable to viewers making economies and, although in the next football season they will add England and FA Cup games to their portfolio, it seems inevitable that they will lose customers during the summer because their schedule looks rather bare after failing to pinch Super League rugby from Sky.
Setanta, who have borrowed much of the £800million to fund their football contracts, are said to need two million subscribers to achieve their goal of being in profit by 2009.
I presume this means clubs will not be spending the TV money before receiving it, like the Championship clubs did before Brian Barwick's ITV digital went bust. Or are we going to have the likes of Oxford going into administration.
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A lot of those million subscribers get Setanta as part of a package deal. I get all the premium channels including Setanta from Virgin media for no extra cost than the Sky sport/movies deal. I don't think Setanta will ever be a threat to Sky. The Sky coverage is far superior. I was talking about this with a customer today and he made a good point. If non league clubs become dependent on television money we could get to a situation where none of the big clubs want promotion because they can't afford to lose the income.
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Football on TV is a commercial enterprise and as such nobody should be surprised that a TV company will want to show what they consider the bigger games. They are not a charity. What do you propose? A communist style TV setup? It will not work in a commercial climate.
Now whether you want the cameras there in the first place or not is another matter. I do not think that Setanta are really going to make that much difference to the gulf that already exists between part-time clubs like ourselves and the big boys like Oxford and Torquay. £5000 is going to be of far more value to us than £20000 would be to Oxford anyway....it's all relative. We are going to lose VERY few supporters through the gates on a matchday as the result of a televised game (and certainly nowhere near five grands worth).
If you want to rail at anyone, you should be directing your views towards the governing bodies of football and NOT the TV companies for it is they that have agreed to current contracts as they stand
I totally agree. Live TV matches on commercial channels have been around for a quarter of a century, with numerous commercial channels around for just less than that. We live in a market economy, and the "good old days" of the 60s and 70s that some people pine for have gone for as long as Sky is around and the man who owns Sky owns the papers that tell you who to vote for.
The Setanta deal is great for us, and I think it actually has precious little bearing on the financial gap that alread exists. In fact, I would agree that it puts us as no real disadvantage against the bigger clubs in real terms.
There is no way the traditional 3pm will disappear at this level - there simply isn't the demand for several games being spread around a weekend as per the Premiership. As for Thursday night kick offs, it is not much different from Tuesday night (Baldrick, I recall you recently suggesting midweek games being played in the afternoon!)
We cannot kick Setanta out, as we are in a legally bound contract with them. In any case, I think they have bitten off more than they can chew at this stage - maybe not an ITV Digital, but they will get their fingers burnt eventually methinks.
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Yes that was me. I suggested 3pm midweek kick offs. People don't want to go out on cold, wet, dark nights. Especially away fans who have to travel hundreds of miles and get home at 1 o'clock in the morning.
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Yes that was me. I suggested 3pm midweek kick offs. People don't want to go out on cold, wet, dark nights. Especially away fans who have to travel hundreds of miles and get home at 1 o'clock in the morning.
Or 7 in the morning because our wonderful rail service don't do trains to Chester after midnight.
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Public transport is the worst thing i have found since i moved north. The Westhoughton bus service is the worst i have ever seen anywhere in England. Trains regularly break down and there are two different bus companies in Bolton running the same routes with different fares and drivers who only speak Polish. The tram seems ok though.