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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Dougals Dad on January 05, 2008, 12:02:03 AM
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Has anyone ever thought of a ladies football team at Alty? If FGR can do it......?
"The FA Women's Cup Sponsored by E.ON
Liverpool Ladies v Forest Green Rovers Ladies, R4, 13:00"
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Who'd run it? I can offer suggestions for who could be the big strapping centre backs and the tough tackling midfielders,but I like my wedding tackle where it is, so I wont name names ;D
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We now have 3 Junior teams, and a No of my squad would love to play for Alty Ladies in the future!
I know it has been discussed initially, but if and when I do not know!
You can link through the Junior section for those that are interested.
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Football is a mans game. Let the ladies stay at home cooking and cleaning.
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Football is a mans game. Let the ladies stay at home cooking and cleaning...
...at the cave
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Baldrick and Longsden, that is very sexist.
The commitment from some of the girls is 100% and they are as skilfull as the boys.
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Im not sexist or misogynistic in any way but I do think that the club should be concentrating on youth set-up for our male squad.
Womens football just doesn't compare, you just have to watch it to realise.
I would like to see a game between Alty and the England ladies. The 2 best part-time teams in the country head-to-head might jusst suprise us!
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I'm not sure if it is about comparing male and female footballers. More a case of allowing females the access to a sport they should be entitled to anyway (and at the same time raising the clubs profile).
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i think you will ntice that my comment was actually stating how dated baldricks view is i am far from sexist
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Some women's football I have seen has been very entertaining. With less physicality often comes more skill.
A lot of goals in the women's world cup, however, showed the 1 weakness: the size of 'keepers. Aim the ball anywhere near the top corner & it is in.
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Do they swap shirts at the end of the game?
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very good idea but you need local women with talent and coaches
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very good idea but you need local women with talent and coaches
Do lots of women have talent & coaches.
Mrs Goodwin might have coaches.
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As someone who has regularly officiated in Womens football, including the top teams (Leeds, Everton, Charlton etc) I would have to say that I think the technical ability of some women footballers would surprise you. In fact some of the top level women have better technique than a number of Alty first team squad players.
For years I, and others, have strongly advocated that Altrincham have a Womens team. Womens football is the biggest growth area in any sport in the country. The FA and other sponsors are falling over themselves to grant resources for its development.
At many clubs it is also a huge contribution to the local community...Clubs take more than enough from their communities this gives a chance to put something back
Womens football is different in its set up to mens football. They tend to want to play and will, given the slightest encouragement, do almost everything for themselves, not relying on others to do it for them.
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Apart from Man City & Crewe, are there any other Manchester or Cheshire based women's football teams?
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I would like to see a game between Alty and the England ladies. The 2 best part-time teams in the country head-to-head might jusst suprise us!
A game between these two teams would be mad. Alty would absolutely batter them hands down. They would be too strong. You could never have a close game like that. I am not saying that womens football is bad but you cannot compare the male and female game
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Curzon Ashton have a thriving womens set up.
England women used to train at Carrington when I used to play there with Uni. I can tell you that some of the players were of a considerably high standard than the team I played with, which included half a dozen decent semi pro players. No patronising of womens football from chez ballers I can tell you.
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I would like to see a game between Alty and the England ladies. The 2 best part-time teams in the country head-to-head might jusst suprise us!
A game between these two teams would be mad. Alty would absolutely batter them hands down. They would be too strong. You could never have a close game like that. I am not saying that womens football is bad but you cannot compare the male and female game
Ignorance rather than sexism i hope.
England ladies are a slightly better team on balance i think. Kelly Smith in particular has a very high skill level, England's goalkeeper Rachel Brown is one of the best, she was just off form at the World Cup.
I go to watch Slough Town a bit when i am at uni. They have a good ladies team as well (though i've never seen them play). Their support is small because they lost their ground, but their does seem to be a high percentage of women among them, it may be due to the ladies team.
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I would like to see a game between Alty and the England ladies. The 2 best part-time teams in the country head-to-head might jusst suprise us!
A game between these two teams would be mad. Alty would absolutely batter them hands down. They would be too strong. You could never have a close game like that. I am not saying that womens football is bad but you cannot compare the male and female game
Ignorance rather than sexism i hope.
England ladies are a slightly better team on balance i think. Kelly Smith in particular has a very high skill level, England's goalkeeper Rachel Brown is one of the best, she was just off form at the World Cup.
Skillwise I daresay that the England women's team may be superior, but it is the physical side of the game whwre the women are unlikely to stand much of a chance.
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Kelly Smith has talked before about Arsenal Ladies playing against academy sides in pre-season, who they have got results against. The England side are significantly better than Arsenal, so the question is of how Alty compare to a top academy side.
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A few questions for anyone in favour of an Altrincham ladies team in a proper league
1. Would you pay to watch ladies football at Moss Lane and if so how much?
2. What percentage of home games would you attend?
3. When would you want the games played?
4. Would you take it seriously or see it as just a bit of fun?
5. Would you want the ladies team run separately or do you see them as part of Altrincham FC?
6. What do you think the average home attendance would be?
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To be fair Baldrick, it's not a question of whether anyone watches tehm, it would just be one more thing to show that we are providing football for the town of Alty.
My answers would probably be not really, hardly any, not bothered, part of our charter, part of Alty fc, small. BUt I'd still be in favour of it.
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If there is the interest there from players then i think it would be a good idea.
1. If i leaved nearby i would, £5 maybe, depends on the standard.
2. 0 i can only get to games when im back from uni.
3. Not sure, look at how other clubs do it
4. Isn't football always meant to be fun?
5. In a similar way as the junior teams are now, links between but run as different clubs.
6. Support will come from new areas (women)- clubs from smaller towns seem to do well. Its not important for them to earn money from it, just to enjoy it.
At least this is looking at it more seriously, i assume your earlier comment was a joke?
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A few questions for anyone in favour of an Altrincham ladies team in a proper league
1. Would you pay to watch ladies football at Moss Lane and if so how much?
2. What percentage of home games would you attend?
3. When would you want the games played?
4. Would you take it seriously or see it as just a bit of fun?
5. Would you want the ladies team run separately or do you see them as part of Altrincham FC?
6. What do you think the average home attendance would be?
1) Yes, but only maybe half the cost of a 1st XI game
2) See 4
3) Ladies games are usually on Sundays
4) I see it as more of a family attendance; so a bit of both. Seriously want the team to win, but a family orientated entertainment. Maybe a chance for the football widows of a Saturday to get revenge on the Sunday!
5) Deffo part of AFC. Season tickets & family tickets can cover both the blokes & girly football.
6) In all honesty; small. Having said that, we could get a wider range (geographicly) of local support as there are so few ladies' teams in the area.
I remember the ex Chester chairman (The American chappie who's name I forget) wanting a ladies' team at Chester. He was very keen on pushing this, but 'left' before he had the chance. Ladies football in the USA is quite big.
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1. Would you pay to watch ladies football at Moss Lane and if so how much?
2. What percentage of home games would you attend?
3. When would you want the games played?
4. Would you take it seriously or see it as just a bit of fun?
5. Would you want the ladies team run separately or do you see them as part of Altrincham FC?
6. What do you think the average home attendance would be?
1. A few quid, but enough to keep a team running on gates of roughly 300
2. Not sure, depends when games are. If i could about 80
3. More of a personal issue here, obviously not Saturdays, a few people play on sundays fot local teams, so crowds could be difficult then. Probablya tuesday or thursday night, though.
4. Not sure, it is a question better directed at potential players
5. Part of the club, definately.
6. ASbout 300
May be a difficult idea, but could be good if things work out well. Obviously other players mentioned on here have played froma n early age, so we would need some good, young, athletic, FIT, talented young women to join.
Another issue, where would they play? Would they use Moss Lane, or would it get too roughed up for the 1st team?
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I think the girl from the burger van could play
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Another issue, where would they play? Would they use Moss Lane, or would it get too roughed up for the 1st team?
Only if they wear stilletoes!
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Apart from Man City & Crewe, are there any other Manchester or Cheshire based women's football teams?
Just off the top of my head I can come up with the following.
Liverpool, Everton, Stockport, Tranmere, Crewe, Rochdale, Wigan, Man City, Bolton, Bury, Stalybridge, Macclesfield, Hyde, Curzon Ashton, Salford Sports Village (was Trafford Ladies), Witton Albion.
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Curzon Ashton have a thriving womens set up.
England women used to train at Carrington when I used to play there with Uni. I can tell you that some of the players were of a considerably high standard than the team I played with, which included half a dozen decent semi pro players. No patronising of womens football from chez ballers I can tell you.
Well said Ballers, have a number of Goodwins
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curzon ashton ladies were in the premiership a few years back.
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A few questions for anyone in favour of an Altrincham ladies team in a proper league
1. Would you pay to watch ladies football at Moss Lane and if so how much?
2. What percentage of home games would you attend?
3. When would you want the games played?
4. Would you take it seriously or see it as just a bit of fun?
5. Would you want the ladies team run separately or do you see them as part of Altrincham FC?
6. What do you think the average home attendance would be?
1. Yes I would, probably anything up to 5 or 6 quid although I don't think that, initially at least matches would be at Moss Lane
2 Whatever percentage I could
3 Most Womens football is played on a Sunday afternoon
4 I'd take it seriously but then again I'm a real fan of Womens Footy
5 Definitely part of the Club
6 Initially quite small but with support and success I'd hope that it would increase over time.
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A few questions for anyone in favour of an Altrincham ladies team in a proper league
1. Would you pay to watch ladies football at Moss Lane and if so how much?
2. What percentage of home games would you attend?
3. When would you want the games played?
4. Would you take it seriously or see it as just a bit of fun?
5. Would you want the ladies team run separately or do you see them as part of Altrincham FC?
6. What do you think the average home attendance would be?
1. Yes I would, probably anything up to 5 or 6 quid although I don't think that, initially at least matches would be at Moss Lane
2 Whatever percentage I could
3 Most Womens football is played on a Sunday afternoon
4 I'd take it seriously but then again I'm a real fan of Womens Footy
5 Definitely part of the Club
6 Initially quite small but with support and success I'd hope that it would increase over time.
You just like watching bouncing bxxxx
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curzon ashton ladies were in the premiership a few years back.
They were in the Northern Division of the Womens Prem. managed by Dave Ryan (ex Vics GK) now running away with the Combination
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when i first saw the title of this thread i wondered if it was an opinion on today's performance.
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I think 300 is a bit optimistic. But if there is enough interest maybe it could be worth a try. Sundays would probably be the best option. If they want to be part of Altrincham FC they would have to play at Moss Lane and they would need to generate enough money to be self sufficient.
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I think womens football is tremendous but lets make sure all the cleaning is sorted first, and meals prepared. Then let them have a kickabout.
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I was involved in the running of Chester City Ladies for about 9 years. 3 of those years was as Secretary. When I first started watching. They were bottom of North West Divsion 2 with only 1 point. They won 10 of their last 12 games to stay up that season. The club progressed by winning 3 promotions to reach the 3rd tier of the Women's pyramid( Northern Womens Combination), which included winning the North West Premier League title after 15 wins and 3 draws and including 15 clean sheets(which cost me a lot of money after I sponsored the club £10 a clean sheet).
At that time we had a good set up. We travelled by coach to the likes of Newcastle, Middlesboro and SC**thorpe. We produced our own programme and had regular reports in the local paper, plus a regular attendance of about 50 people which about 20 people would travel to away games. Also a few games were played at the Deva Stadium including a F.A. Womens Cup 1st Round tie against SC**thorpe which attracted 200 people paying a pound to get in.
Unfortunately the club are now struggling in the Northern Combination and they struggling for cash as politics has played a major part in the club not progressing plus the lack of involvement by Chester City Football Club.
The top 2 tiers of the Women's pyramid seem to be reasonable organised but lower down it is a bit Sunday league. I think it is too much to expect amater clubs to be expect to travel from Caenarfon to SC**thorpe or to Middlesboro or West Auckland in Durham.
If Alty did start up a Ladies team they would start in the Cheshire and Manchester league. I think there is a Broadheath Central team that plays in the Chester Girls League which has a U12's, a U14's and U16's league.
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maybe a two games for one deal would encourage attendence e.g have a ladies team play before the men's team on a saturday might add to the bar takings?
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maybe a two games for one deal would encourage attendence e.g have a ladies team play before the men's team on a saturday might add to the bar takings?
very good idea. i think that this would increase bar takings and draw more people in with what would look like great value. if both teams loose and the football is as terrible as the men are playing at the moment then it may be better on paper than in real life.
plus if we could get a couple of girls who look this good then i'm sure the attendances would rise (insert your own crude joke)
(http://rachel-unitt.15mb.net/gallery/albums/uploads/normal_runpics_pers_01h.jpg)
(She's called rachel unitt and is the everton captain)
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plus if we could get a couple of girls who look this good then i'm sure the attendances would rise (insert your own crude joke)
(http://photos-b.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v169/230/116/764560159/n764560159_1978245_5376.jpg)
used it before but couldn't resist ;D
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she my freind on myspace ;D
sh*t geek!
me to!
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As stated already we have a Jnr set up at U12, U13, and U15.
The results etc can be viewed on www.smgfl.co.uk
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maybe a two games for one deal would encourage attendence e.g have a ladies team play before the men's team on a saturday might add to the bar takings?
very good idea. i think that this would increase bar takings and draw more people in with what would look like great value. if both teams loose and the football is as terrible as the men are playing at the moment then it may be better on paper than in real life.
I think the bar cannot be open whilist a match is taking place.
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maybe a two games for one deal would encourage attendence e.g have a ladies team play before the men's team on a saturday might add to the bar takings?
very good idea. i think that this would increase bar takings and draw more people in with what would look like great value. if both teams loose and the football is as terrible as the men are playing at the moment then it may be better on paper than in real life.
plus if we could get a couple of girls who look this good then i'm sure the attendances would rise (insert your own crude joke)
(http://rachel-unitt.15mb.net/gallery/albums/uploads/normal_runpics_pers_01h.jpg)
(She's called rachel unitt and is the everton captain)
She hasn't got much up front
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How about his line up
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n76/altywidow/soccer.jpg)
Or this
(http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n76/altywidow/girl-football-picture.jpg)
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The bar at Kendal was open throughout the game
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As stated already we have a Jnr set up at U12, U13, and U15.
The results etc can be viewed on www.smgfl.co.uk
I hope the police dont come round and find me looking at this they might get the wrong idea and send me off with that bloke from the who...
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I would like to see a game between Alty and the England ladies. The 2 best part-time teams in the country head-to-head might jusst suprise us!
A game between these two teams would be mad. Alty would absolutely batter them hands down. They would be too strong. You could never have a close game like that. I am not saying that womens football is bad but you cannot compare the male and female game
Ignorance rather than sexism i hope.
no not at all. I think the standard of womens football is very good but i just think that a game between alty and england would result in an alty win. The women may be technically better but i just think that the gulf between the alty team and the englands women team strength-wise would be too much. Can you imagine Stuart Coburn charging out for a 50/50 ball with their striker for example
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I was involved in the running of Chester City Ladies for about 9 years. 3 of those years was as Secretary. When I first started watching. They were bottom of North West Divsion 2 with only 1 point. They won 10 of their last 12 games to stay up that season. The club progressed by winning 3 promotions to reach the 3rd tier of the Women's pyramid( Northern Womens Combination), which included winning the North West Premier League title after 15 wins and 3 draws and including 15 clean sheets(which cost me a lot of money after I sponsored the club £10 a clean sheet).
At that time we had a good set up. We travelled by coach to the likes of Newcastle, Middlesboro and SC**thorpe. We produced our own programme and had regular reports in the local paper, plus a regular attendance of about 50 people which about 20 people would travel to away games. Also a few games were played at the Deva Stadium including a F.A. Womens Cup 1st Round tie against SC**thorpe which attracted 200 people paying a pound to get in.
Unfortunately the club are now struggling in the Northern Combination and they struggling for cash as politics has played a major part in the club not progressing plus the lack of involvement by Chester City Football Club.
The top 2 tiers of the Women's pyramid seem to be reasonable organised but lower down it is a bit Sunday league. I think it is too much to expect amater clubs to be expect to travel from Caenarfon to SC**thorpe or to Middlesboro or West Auckland in Durham.
If Alty did start up a Ladies team they would start in the Cheshire and Manchester league. I think there is a Broadheath Central team that plays in the Chester Girls League which has a U12's, a U14's and U16's league.
Yes Cestrian I remember that Chester City Ladies team very well indeed. As I recall you had two very good midfielders, one with blonde hair and a little 'snapper' together with another couple of decent players too.
Were you involved when they played Tranmere in the County Final at Christleton and lost the keeper to injury very early on? I think it was the last season that Sue Smith played at Tranmere - I was on the line.
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The bar at Kendal was open throughout the game
It all depends on the rules of your licence
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I was involved in the running of Chester City Ladies for about 9 years. 3 of those years was as Secretary. When I first started watching. They were bottom of North West Divsion 2 with only 1 point. They won 10 of their last 12 games to stay up that season. The club progressed by winning 3 promotions to reach the 3rd tier of the Women's pyramid( Northern Womens Combination), which included winning the North West Premier League title after 15 wins and 3 draws and including 15 clean sheets(which cost me a lot of money after I sponsored the club £10 a clean sheet).
At that time we had a good set up. We travelled by coach to the likes of Newcastle, Middlesboro and SC**thorpe. We produced our own programme and had regular reports in the local paper, plus a regular attendance of about 50 people which about 20 people would travel to away games. Also a few games were played at the Deva Stadium including a F.A. Womens Cup 1st Round tie against SC**thorpe which attracted 200 people paying a pound to get in.
Unfortunately the club are now struggling in the Northern Combination and they struggling for cash as politics has played a major part in the club not progressing plus the lack of involvement by Chester City Football Club.
The top 2 tiers of the Women's pyramid seem to be reasonable organised but lower down it is a bit Sunday league. I think it is too much to expect amater clubs to be expect to travel from Caenarfon to SC**thorpe or to Middlesboro or West Auckland in Durham.
If Alty did start up a Ladies team they would start in the Cheshire and Manchester league. I think there is a Broadheath Central team that plays in the Chester Girls League which has a U12's, a U14's and U16's league.
Yes Cestrian I remember that Chester City Ladies team very well indeed. As I recall you had two very good midfielders, one with blonde hair and a little 'snapper' together with another couple of decent players too.
Were you involved when they played Tranmere in the County Final at Christleton and lost the keeper to injury very early on? I think it was the last season that Sue Smith played at Tranmere - I was on the line.
The one with Blonde hair was called Lisa Pritchard. She retired from playing, became a level 5 referee and now is manager of Chester City Ladies. The other one was Michelle Brady who despite being only 5 foot won a lot of headers against taller players. She rejoined the club this season but a rare illness has meant she has had to stop playing.
I remember that Cheshire Cup Final. Laura Edwards got injured in a 50-50 challenge and outfield Jo Reynolds took over and also got injured but she finished the game. Which probably why they got beat 7-0, though they would have a lost anyway. Chester played Tranmere a couple of years later and were a little unfortunate to lose 3-1.
I remember you refing the game at Trafford when Chester won 4-0 in their North West Premier League Championship season. I was pleased to see a fair and experienced ref after the previous season's game ended with a 22 player brawl and the Trafford Manager, I think his name was Cliff Andrew, going across the pitch threatening me, and asking for a fight.
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Well we already have a women's strip! ;D
(http://www.prostar.co.uk/App_Themes/_default/images/img_womens.jpg)
(From the Prostar website http://www.prostar.co.uk/football/womens_kits.aspx (http://www.prostar.co.uk/football/womens_kits.aspx))
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Who is she!!!
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Who is she!!!
Jaquie Swindelles possibly?
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
And your point is?
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
And your point is?
Has attitudes changed now we have a established Ladies team?
Should the End of Season presentations include the Ladies and Reserve teams awards?
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
And your point is?
Has attitudes changed now we have a established Ladies team?
Should the End of Season presentations include the Ladies and Reserve teams awards?
No and No
I personally still wouldn’t watch women’s if it was free and they along with the reserves should hold their own presentation night.
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
And your point is?
Has attitudes changed now we have a established Ladies team?
Should the End of Season presentations include the Ladies and Reserve teams awards?
i miss the old days of all the fans on the pitch at the last game all the fans together singing and club awards given out . Good times
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An interesting debate from 11 years ago.
And your point is?
Has attitudes changed now we have a established Ladies team?
Should the End of Season presentations include the Ladies and Reserve teams awards?
No and No
I personally still wouldn’t watch women’s if it was free and they along with the reserves should hold their own presentation night.
Agreed
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That's like saying I wouldn't watch Alty because Man City are so much better.
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I think the awards should be separate for all the teams. But you have got to accept that the players of the Altrincham Ladies FC and the Reserve side are very good ambassadors for the club
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That's like saying I wouldn't watch Alty because Man City are so much better.
No it’s not, it’s nothing like that at all. Women’s football isn’t a patch on the men’s game.
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That's like saying I wouldn't watch Alty because Man City are so much better.
No it’s not, it’s nothing like that at all. Women’s football isn’t a patch on the men’s game.
i.e. won't watch the women as the men are so much better?
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That's like saying I wouldn't watch Alty because Man City are so much better.
No it’s not, it’s nothing like that at all. Women’s football isn’t a patch on the men’s game.
i.e. won't watch the women as the men are so much better?
I’d quite happily watch a men’s Sunday League match but women’s football just doesn’t interest me,it’s just not the same.
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I watched Arsenal v Everton Women on the red button last week. I'd guess that's top notch for a women's game, but I simply wasn't enthused.
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I think the awards should be separate for all the teams. But you have got to accept that the players of the Altrincham Ladies FC and the Reserve side are very good ambassadors for the club
Well said Chester. Although I'd say the women's team are probably better ambassadors than our Sunday League reserves.
Seperate awards nights like the juniors. But at the club and equal respect given to them.
I draw the line with either player on the pitch during the season.