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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Wilmslow Alty on December 22, 2007, 02:23:58 PM
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I'm at work and have got the scores coming in from PA: 0-0 at half time. Sometimes working for the BBC has its advantages ;)
Here are the teams:
Nuneaton: Acton, Oddy, Franklin, Curtis, Tom Moore, Burgess,
Collins, Palmer, Brown, Stepien, Mcilwain. Subs: Prichard,
Quailey, Williams, Armson, Edmond.
Altrincham: Coburn, Aspinall, Tinson, Lane, Scott, Lawton,
Sedgemore, Peyton, Logan, Little, Senior. Subs: O'Neill, Bailey,
Browne, Munroe, McFadden.
Referee: S Martin (Stafford)
I'll post any updates.
Dan
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thank you.
decent team out, Browne n Bailey Youth forwards??
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Other scores and games off:
Today:
Droylsden v Farsley Celtic Postponed
Barrow v Northwich Postponed
Friday:
Exeter 2 Ebbsfleet United 3 (AET)
Cambridge Utd 0 Rushden & D'monds 1
Welling v Grays Athletic Postponed
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Its 1-0 Senior..48 minutes
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Nice one - looks like PA are only putting out half times and full times.
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Its 1-0 Senior..48 minutes
Nice one, thanks Eck
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thank you.
decent team out, Browne n Bailey Youth forwards??
I think that Browne is a midfield player.
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thank you.
decent team out, Browne n Bailey Youth forwards??
I think that Browne is a midfield player.
Thnx
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1-1 last minute equaliser....extra time looking.
not good news for the rugby!
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For the love of...
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1-1 last minute equaliser....extra time looking.
Don't tell me that they brought Terry Angus out of retirement again....?
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2-1 down.....great for confidence this...30 seconds left.
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I bet Vics were hoping we'd go to extra time. Did we letthe last minute goal in on purpose?
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I bet Vics were hoping we'd go to extra time. Did we letthe last minute goal in on purpose?
maybe the defenders left the game early to make sure they dont get injured
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Is it over yet?
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Is it over yet?
yes and no they didnt throw it its just they re crap
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Is this where we start saying we never wanted to be in it anyway?
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Is it over yet?
yes and no they didnt throw it its just they re crap
Ironic when they should be playing for their futures.
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Whalley cried off sick this morning....think he'll need to do some serious playing for his future.
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Whalley cried off sick this morning....think he'll need to do some serious playing for his future.
Please tell me he is not on a contract....
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Whalley cried off sick this morning....think he'll need to do some serious playing for his future.
playing and praying
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We cant carry players - even Pottsy had to go. Maybe Whalley not hungry enough
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It's like groundhog day, when we concede 1 you no another is coming.
Winning and losing are habit's only losing is a harder habit to kick, the festive fixtures are huge. Should we not get 6 points I really can't see any light at the end of tunnell no matter what loan players come in.
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Generally in cup games we are poor! Why?
Or is the answer obvious - we are poor anyway?
Pity a win today would have been a boost going into the game on Wednesday which is massive.
Come on Alty, lets pull it round.
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Read the Vince Lombardi quotes below
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Read the Vince Lombardi quotes below
UC,
I'll need a bottle of sherry at your shindig tomorrow to drown my sorrows...
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Defence does not sound half as strong without the name Shotton there
I wonder how Logan played
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Aspinall at right back and Scott at left back hardly fills you with confidence.
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Agree the back four not the best today!
Is Munroe still injured? O r out of favour?
We need a better defence for Wednesday!!
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Got a feeling that more players are going to be released shortly. To echo sentiments expressed above, we really cannot afford to carry players who are continually injured. Pottsy had to go and I for one hope that at least one more follows today. If we have to play some kids on Boxing Day then so be it, at least they will be available!
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Who else would you let go?
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Who else would you let go?
depends on where replacements play , maybe val as old and injury prone , whalley and scotty ?
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Who else would you let go?
a lot depends on who we can get in, ie what positions we can cover
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A pity we have 3 important games before then unless deals have already been done?
There seems no fight these days unlike say last year.
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Given the shortage of numbers we've got - especially at left back we need to keep Scotty. I'd be inclined to let those go that aren't available all that often so sadly that's Val despite his undoubted desire and the fact we need the Val of a couple of years ago desperately and also sadly Whalley as you get the feeling he could be a good player for us if he actually made the starting line.
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The pity with Whalley is he never seems fit enough. He dissappeared from the crimbo party fairly early as did Colin l.
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The pity with Whalley is he never seems fit enough. He dissappeared from the crimbo party fairly early as did Colin l.
I can see a idfield 3 of Val, Whalley n Logan going as well as As and possibly O'Neill
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Christ, we will not have a team at that rate!
I feel sorry for GH, it is hard for us all he must be well pissed off. I would be.
The next 3 games will determine alot of players future I believe?
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Christ, we will not have a team at that rate!
I feel sorry for GH, it is hard for us all he must be well pissed off. I would be.
The next 3 games will determine alot of players future I believe?
it does depend on who GH can bring in!
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I realise that, but GH is my man for getting it right.
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I certainly agree with you on that.
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Joe is usually available to play, so releasing him would be just madness. Scotty plays through the pain barrier, which I think says alot about the man and Aza doesn't seem to cry off too often either. I think I agree with Bath Alty about the players who will have to go. Hopefully that will mean three available places (plus fingers crossed Shotton). There has been talk of a Championship striker and a league midfielder. That just leaves a left back really.
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Here's all of today's results from PA:
The Setanta Shield
Aldershot (0) 1 Hudson 67.
Oxford Utd (0) 0.
Att: 1,573
Barrow (-) P.
Northwich (-) P.
Postponed - due to frozen pitch
Droylsden (-) P.
Farsley Celtic (-) P.
Postponed - due to frozen pitch
Eastbourne Borough (0) 1 Atkin 76.
Crawley Town (0) 2 Cook 50 90.
Att: 552
Hampton & Richmond (0) 0.
Forest Green (0) 1 Fleetwood 88.
Att: 344
Hinckley Utd (1) 1 Story 31.
Kidderminster (1) 2 Constable 21, Christie 88.
Att: 474
Histon (1) 1 Murray 25.
Halifax (1) 2 Torpey 18, Shaw 56.
Att: 231
Nuneaton (0) 2 Quailey 90 90.
Altrincham (0) 1 Senior 48.
Att: 533
Salisbury (1) 1 Feeney 27.
Weymouth (0) 2 Roberts 52, Louis 78.
Att: 667
St Albans (2) 2 Mark Ellis 4(og), Bruce 38.
Torquay (0) 0.
Att: 454
Stafford Rangers (0) 0.
York (0) 0.
Woking (0) 2 Marum 50, Sole 73.
Stevenage (0) 1 Henry 90.
Att: 830
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I think you'd have to look at letting Whalley go first. I'm assuming he's on a decent wedge and whilst I can see he has quality, well tbh so far we've carried him this season. I won't speculate as to whether he has the heart and appetite to play for ALty. That wouldn't be fair, I would say that he is injury prone and would probably be more use in abetter side.
Against all that, if he was fully fit I think he could be a decent deep lying playmaker. As it is, altho he didn't meet our expectations last season, I would say Steve Bushell would be a better bet than Gareth Whalley.
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Joe is usually available ttter players in - which is the point that is being mo play, so releasing him would be just madness. Scotty plays through the pain barrier, which I think says alot about the man and Aza doesn't seem to cry off too often either.
I'm sure many people are available to play if called upon, but it doesn't make them worth a place. I like Joe & As, but are they going to keep us in this league, especially if we can get better players - this seems to be the point that is being made.
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Being available to play cannot be part of the criteria for staying.
The time for sentiment is gone.
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Being available to play cannot be part of the criteria for staying.
The time for sentiment is gone.
Good point if being avaialable is the criteria im available for the derbies (apart form NYD where i will be bladdered ) ;D
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at the moment we've got management by elastoplast. we need to build a team from the back forwards and if that means getting out of this league (as looks likely) to do it, then that's what we have to do. going out of two cup competitions on successive saturdays is nothing to with part-time; it's to do with spirit- or a lack of it.
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In recent seasons past, we have began with a squad of 20+ and gradually whittled it down to 16-18. That policy is all well and good if you can avoid a rush of sudden injuries. What makes our present situation even worse than it should be is that some of the injuries to our already small squad are less of the 'sudden' and more of the 'permanent'. I agree that the likes of Joe and Sedge are not the best players who have ever played for us, but how many games have they missed, when compared to say, Val and Gareth Whalley? If, as I assume, we have to release players before bringing others in, then who is it to be Joe O'Neil or Gareth Whalley? For me it's a no-brainer. Obviously I'm not suggesting that availabilty is the only criteria for signing players, but seriously lads, we do not have the resources to carry as many players as we have been doing lately.
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Well I have now read the match report, 13 fit players and Logan unwell.
Lets hope we have more fit players on Wednesday.
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I think you are all reading too much into this. It was a nothing competition, forced on the club by a television company. The youth team should have played instead of risking more injuries to key players.
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It was the league cup. Last time I checked we had not become a big enough club to toss off prize money in anything.
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It was the league cup. Last time I checked we had not become a big enough club to toss off prize money in anything.
Agreed, Ecky.
In the last eight days, we have contrived to miss out on prize money in two competitions totalling £6,500.
Wouldn't some of that money have been rather useful in January?
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at least no one has said "i'll swap going out the the fa trophy and the setanta shield if it means we take 3 points off northwich on boxing day".
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Being available to play cannot be part of the criteria for staying.
The time for sentiment is gone.
Being available to play is relatively important though, being unavailable to play isn't very helpful.
However there is the question of being ABLE to play which is a whoile new matter.
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thank you.
decent team out, Browne n Bailey Youth forwards??
I think that Tom Browne is a midfield player.
and his school days have been well documented
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I think you are all reading too much into this. It was a nothing competition, forced on the club by a television company. The youth team should have played instead of risking more injuries to key players.
I feel sure that we've covered this already but just in case my fevered imagination has indeed been working overtime there is, within the competition rules a stipulation of the number of first team players who MUST be played.
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There's no point in us accepting relegation yet, but it is becoming pretty tough going through so many bad results and struggling to compete so much.
Its really easy to just start blaming the management but when you end up with 13 fit players because your budget is so tight its pretty obvious which direction we'll go in league and cup matches.
In hindsight im starting to see geoffs point when he seemed unhappy about our last reprieve. My only point of blame is the clubs transfer policy, I think we should be doing more to get young players from lower leagues in, even if it takes a while to get everything to gel. Again this is all so easy to type.
We need to remember how proud we should be of this club and all its achievements, the team needs our pride now more than ever!
Thats my bizarre sunday offering out of the way ???
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I believe that we will be welcoming at least one younger player from a lower league in January. :-X
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Its really easy to just start blaming the management but when you end up with 13 fit players because your budget is so tight its pretty obvious which direction we'll go in league and cup matches.
But back in the Summer we signed players with dodgy fitness records e.g. Potts and Whalley.
Still can't fathom out why we released Rose.
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I believe that we will be welcoming at least one younger player from a lower league in January. :-X
Are you signing on a non-contract basis then, Ballers?
Well, you are younger than Val Owen.....
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That would be ace.
I could stand on the terraces telling people I used to play football with him when he was good.
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Its really easy to just start blaming the management but when you end up with 13 fit players because your budget is so tight its pretty obvious which direction we'll go in league and cup matches.
But back in the Summer we signed players with dodgy fitness records e.g. Potts and Whalley.
Still can't fathom out why we released Rose.
Thats what i mean about the transfer thing. Given what we can afford you'd think we would have a policy of signing young players with potential like aldershot, obviously not on the same scale.
Aside from Senior I wasnt blown away by any of the names we brought in this year. Im delighted with the progress the club has made in recent years but I feel like there is something not quite right in amongst it all at the moment, not sure what though. Maybe its just cos we're in such bad form.
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trouble is the players we have seem to have given up the fight this season for some unkown reason.As for getting rid of players who are injured does that mean if a player say gets a cold we sack him.All this speculation is very unsettling for the club as a whole,maybe the reason for the fight going out of the players.Graham knows what needs to be done and who is going.Let the manager manager and the players PLAY,if you want to swap players buy Football manager
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It's been said before hsmith1 that this is the place for DEBATING issues regarding the team. Of course GH is the manager and should receive our support, but posters have raised some very lucid points in threads lately. The signing of younger players or experienced players, league players or pyramid players, loan players or permanent players, full time players or part time players, injury free players, 100% committed players - the list is endless. It's not about Football Manager, it's about caring enough about your team to be arsed! I personally try not to attack individual players in my posts, keeping topics quite general, but posters should not be shouted down if they dare to raise an opinion.
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I know all about being able to post and debate issues here,but dont you think that it filters down to the team.I know some of them need a kick up the backside,but my point is to much negative chat does affect players
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The way I like to put it is that I have an idea which players aren't up for the fight but any player that can say to themselves "I'm giving it my all" then thats good enough for me.
I just hope that the 'new' players understand what the games over Xmas means to the fans !!!!
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I just hope that the 'new' players understand what the games over Xmas means to the fans !!!!
well we made sure laney got it at the meet the recruits night, he was a bit unaware of the importance of the games at first but i think we got the message across.
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I know all about being able to post and debate issues here,but dont you think that it filters down to the team.I know some of them need a kick up the backside,but my point is to much negative chat does affect players
I think this needs to come from the top of the club. If we spend all the time going on about the full time thing and it's impossible to survive, maybe finish top of 5 sh*te sides I think it is going to filter down to the players and thus a losing mentality.
We need to htfu and get back to our first season up where we thought we'd give anyone a real game at Moss Lane, ok get caught out and whupped a couple of times but at least with a bit of confidence.
The conference has improved in the past 2 years but I think we're overrating it, it's not exactly the Champions League nowadays.
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I agree with Ballers, the Conference is a big step from the Conference North but there are not that many teams that have totally outplayed us.
We still create chances every game and can always look back and say "If we scored at the point then be so different" Only thing that worries me is that when we go behind if we don;t get one back within 10mins then we seem to give up??
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I for one was very encouraged by GGs 50-50 comment re. full/part time personnel. If we have the finances to do this it will be a very positive step (though obviously no guarantee) towards consolidating our position in this league. At the moment, we are doing well financially, but hamstrung when it comes to attracting players who want to remain full time. Whether we like it or not, we really do need some full time pros. Yes, the standard of the league has been seriously overrated this season, but nevertheless, an ambition of 5th from bottom is hardly inspiring, is it? I'm sure we would have half a chance of getting the likes of Howard and Grand from Morecambe if we had the 50-50 policy.
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I just hope that the 'new' players understand what the games over Xmas means to the fans !!!!
well we made sure laney got it at the meet the recruits night, he was a bit unaware of the importance of the games at first but i think we got the message across.
I find this a little bemusing - Yes the games against Northwich are Important - the point is if he didnt realise the importance of these two games, what does he think about the importance of the other 44 league games.
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what i ment was laney said he didn't know how much games against northwich ment to alty fans, so we pointed out to him that we want to beat northwich as much as he wants everton to beat liverpool. and his response of "oh thats a lot then" made me feel he now understood