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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Dougals Dad on November 21, 2007, 10:10:06 PM
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Give me the integrity of Alty any day. At least our players play with passion. The overpaid upstarts from the premiership seem to think they have a devine right to win when they put on an England shirt.
As for the manager; trudging away leaving the players to take all the boos from the fans - he should have been out there after the final wistle to back up the players. Cowardice from manager down.
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funniest thing i've watched in years ;D shame we couldn't beat spain and latvia couldn't win ah well
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funniest thing i've watched in years ;D shame we couldn't beat spain and latvia couldn't win ah well
It would have been brilliant if N Ireland had qualified with England failing.
I have witnessed the pure joy of the Scots going so far beyond expectation, whilst England can't reach the hinterland of expectation.
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my grandad will be smilin in heaven i wish he could have seen this year campaign but world cup 2010 anyone? lol tbh if england played as a team and showed passion they would have qualifyed with ease. bring back the home nations tournament.
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Rumour is that they might just do that. The home nations have nothing better to do next Summer!
Even Wales (the land of my fathers!) put up a decent performance today.
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lol would be a good idea (scots would win)
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lol would be a good idea (scots would win)
Agreed
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Our palyers play with passion and love for the game and they are not concerened about making it big and living the premiership high life. In todays game the amount of forignn players is effecting the home grown tallent from being established, therefore the national team suffers. I would rather watch Alty get beat at home then whats those andrex boys play like that. You would have thought that given the life line they were granded on Saturday by Russia they would have played with some passion and love for their country. As soon as Beckham came on they looked better, but as you no that fool in charge or should i say T**t Steve Mclarean, hated him so never played him in games like Isreal the first leg or Macidonia, games where we needed the points.
I have to say the sooner Mac is out the better for the game, i hope he gets the boot and shown the door
Come on Alty to the Non-league players prowd and show the likes of the FA which players need recognition for their efforts
Also i feel like the rest of the home nations now, knowing ur team is sh*te and have a miserable summer at home
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McLaren is "Defiant" and will not resign - he is also a coward (the way he went off to leave his players to teke the boos).
The FA meet in the morning to discuss his future!!!
The Premiership players look good when supported by foreign talent with decent managers.
The only good thing about the England set up is the masseur - and I didn't even see him tonight!
Just realised why England want the 2018 World Cup finals - its the only way they will qualify!
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Could there be a connection between Steve Bruce not joining Wigan and England about to sack that clown of a manager? I hope not but it looks suspicious.
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Could there be a connection between Steve Bruce not joining Wigan and England about to sack that clown of a manager? I hope not but it looks suspicious.
No! I don't think we knew England would lose before tonight's match started (though, on 2nd thoughts!!!!)
Wouldn't get Brucey as England manager - he gets too much presenting Strictly Come Dancing!
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I hope the FA realise they made a big mistake in giving him the position and bring in someone who has previous managerial success. GH might be a contender, only manager to be relegated and stay up twice. lol
I dont no who would do the job to be honest, there are so many England Manager failures
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I hope the FA realise they made a big mistake in giving him the position and bring in someone who has previous managerial success. GH might be a contender, only manager to be relegated and stay up twice. lol
I dont no who would do the job to be honest, there are so many England Manager failures
We will have to look abroad again. Slaven Bilic perhaps?
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Jose Moriniho would be one of the best signings. He has got something about him, you dont will silver ware in ur fist season unless you have got an excellent stratagy going. Im not a chelski fan btw, i just thought you could not beat his many opiononated views on football. If he did become england manager at least he would get it into the players that every game matters regardless of your opositon because he hates losing.
Rod thornley would be a great manager to, regardless of whether you lost he would have a smile on his face and prase the good parts of the game
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The Chelsea players believed in Mourinho (apart from the players who were thrust upon him - horrible image I know). Do the Englang players really believe in McLaren?
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Having watched that lot tonight , it shows the efforts put in by Alty's players, along with the likes of Farsley's, to perform at the level they do is superb. I know, as an ex semi pro footballer, the time you have to put in to play at a high level, shuffling your job around the game you love. Pity that lot in white tonight did'nt show the same effort. The likes of Lampard will have his day off tomorrow, then do a bit of a jog thursday in the knowledge that come his next payday, they'll be another small fortune against his name. That's why I support Non League Football, and always will!!
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When speaking to the media they will always say they support him, thats only because they are frightened of being droped. But deep down i dont think they felt his stratergy was working what so ever. One person who does dislike Mclarean is Beck's he should never have been droped, only reason he got dropped was because of the days with Stave and Utd, they didnt see eye to eye there.
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I won £40 tonight backing Croatia at 8/1.
This has very little to do with the thrust of the discussion, I just wanted to show off.
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When speaking to the media they will always say they support him, thats only because they are frightened of being droped. But deep down i dont think they felt his stratergy was working what so ever. One person who does dislike Mclarean is Beck's he should never have been droped, only reason he got dropped was because of the days with Stave and Utd, they didnt see eye to eye there.
Ameteurish of Mclaren to allow his personal opinions to get in the way of prefessionalism.
PS Jimmy: don't blame you mate.
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I won £40 tonight backing Croatia at 8/1.
This has very little to do with the thrust of the discussion, I just wanted to show off.
Its not totally a bad result then!
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The FA are having an emergency meeting on Thursday at 8.30am. I expect them to sack him. Betting on the next manager here
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/next-england-manager/next-permanent-manager (http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/next-england-manager/next-permanent-manager)
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Can't everyone see the obvious?
Since the invention of the premier league and sky its been a steady fall in the passion etc of footballers at the top level. This attitude has gradually moved down through the divisions to a degree where it is ruining football for us all. The current state of the england team is a direct result of the introduction of sky and the premier leaguge.
I have texted 5 live several times tonight to make my point but thay aren't allowed to be seen to slag sky off and so i've been ignored.
We could have the best manager in the world but if the passion isn't there in the players it won't be worth f all.
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Can't everyone see the obvious?
Since the invention of the premier league and sky its been a steady fall in the passion etc of footballers at the top level. This attitude has gradually moved down through the divisions to a degree where it is ruining football for us all. The current state of the england team is a direct result of the introduction of sky and the premier leaguge.
I have texted 5 live several times tonight to make my point but thay aren't allowed to be seen to slag sky off and so i've been ignored.
We could have the best manager in the world but if the passion isn't there in the players it won't be worth f all.
Very true. With their riches they have nothing to play for. The club is now more important than the country - and that is wrong!
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The reward for playing well for your club used to be national recognition, now it is just more money - international matches are a minor inconvenience.
Alex Ferguson is right: The Champions League is a higher grade of football than even the World Cup
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For the fans club has always been more important than country. The players now seem to share that opinion.
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I will tell you lot right now (and I've been saying it for a while) much as it pains me to say it, the US will win the World Cup before England ever win it again. Better coaching at youth level here and the infrastructure to bring through young players. Disappointing tonight but lets face it, utterly predictable!
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the only 2 players on that pitch for england tonight were crouch and beckham. mcclaren getting sacked in the morning 24 hrs to go till we get jose 1966 just 3 years away.
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crouch battled for every ball i give him 10/10
beckham did his job in a heathcot type way 1 great ball
bridge i wouldnt put in our team
we were sh*te over all
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Can't everyone see the obvious?
Since the invention of the premier league and sky its been a steady fall in the passion etc of footballers at the top level. This attitude has gradually moved down through the divisions to a degree where it is ruining football for us all. The current state of the england team is a direct result of the introduction of sky and the premier leaguge.
I have texted 5 live several times tonight to make my point but thay aren't allowed to be seen to slag sky off and so i've been ignored.
We could have the best manager in the world but if the passion isn't there in the players it won't be worth f all.
Very true. With their riches they have nothing to play for. The club is now more important than the country - and that is wrong!
This is all spot on, but I think the manager has to inject a lot of the passion. England were second best tonight, and worst of all they were second best in fitness. Croatia played as a perfect unit, England played as a perfect misfit. Ive never been much of an England fan so Im not that bothered.
Jose for boss! Thats where the passion will come from. I cant believe people are blaming the grass roots football and foreigners in the premiership. The simple fact is, with the wealth of English talent to choose from we should have flown through that group like Greece did theirs, dropping 5 points in 12 games.
The effort we get from Altrincham players in return for pittance and the love of wearing the shirt should make McClaren and co ashamed!
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I think there is probably some truth in, the too many foreigners, premiership, Sky theories, but at the end of the day the players are to blame for the lack of fight and the manager for not inspiring the passion. But pulling on the shirt should be inspirational.
The only player to come out of the game with any credit was Peter Crouch. Every one seems to think Beckham could have made a difference but apart from one cross (that needed some special finishing by Crouch) he did nothing. Every other cross including corners was onto the head of the first defender and when he had to run for a ball, lets just say I could have got there quicker and I have a heart condition (not helped by being an Alty fan).
That was much worse than watching Alty on a bad day. With the exception of Crouch they were garbage and thats being kind.
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Gutted last night but it’s probably what the nation and FA needed to sort themselves out and make big changes. Firstly I dont rate Mclaren, he made a big mistake bringing in Carson who completely froze on what was to big a game for him. The pitch didn’t help him though, what the hell are they thinking letting a load of American footballers ruin the pitch before such a big game? Made me sick seeing all those stripes across Wembley pitch!
The main change to English football has to be a cap on foreign players on the pitch for each team, the rule should be max 5. This will then make all the top flight clubs invest massively in bringing through their own home grown talent instead of shipping them in from everywhere and anywhere.
If this doesn’t happen I would like to see the premier league f**ked off from the National game and the overpaid pricks left to ponce about in their team colours, the National squad could be picked from the lower leagues who would atleast produce more passion and spirited performances.
Bollocks! >:(
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One further point I forgot in previous post, They played like England at the end of Venebles reign as manager and as he is Mac's assistant maybe he had too much input. Heaven forbid they apoint him when they give big Mac the push.
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I think a wage cap would work just as much as a foreigner cap.
Gerrard played well last night but Lampard was absent for most of it. If they both had a salary cap of 40 grand a week being the highest paid player would suddenly mean naff all and they might start to realise that playing for your country and being great is the only way to be recognized worldwide as the best players in the world.
Who does lampard think he is? He has some ridiculous contract at chelsea and expects the world to stand up and accept him as a good player? He's an average Joey Barton at best, he does well for Chelsea because of the support around him. If he's that good he should have ran the show last night, instead he hid, waiting to pull on the golden ticket chelsea shirt again. Shameful!
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I often think passion is an attribute servery overrated by football fans (at every level) when it comes to the ability of players to win football matches.
Most football matches are won and lost because one team has a better team than the other. Last night England were the inferior team to Croatia.
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I often think passion is an attribute servery overrated by football fans (at every level) when it comes to the ability of players to win football matches.
Most football matches are won and lost because one team has a better team than the other. Last night England were the inferior team to Croatia.
True, but the only way to significantly improve the English standard it to implement one or both caps on Wages and Foreign players. The gutless FA won’t do either so I would rather watch a team of fighters giving their all than the overpaid tarts that nearly did this and nearly did that. Look at the Northern Ireland fans they have a ball watching their team of limited ability.
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I often think passion is an attribute servery overrated by football fans (at every level) when it comes to the ability of players to win football matches.
Most football matches are won and lost because one team has a better team than the other. Last night England were the inferior team to Croatia.
True, but the only way to significantly improve the English standard it to implement one or both caps on Wages and Foreign players. The gutless FA won’t do either so I would rather watch a team of fighters giving their all than the overpaid tarts that nearly did this and nearly did that. Look at the Northern Ireland fans they have a ball watching their team of limited ability.
Wage caps for individual players are most certainly illegal and I'd expect that any limit on the number of foreigners in a team would count as a restriction against the free movement of labour within the EU.
Mind you the transfer window seems equally suspect on these grounds and that continues to operate.
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I often think passion is an attribute servery overrated by football fans (at every level) when it comes to the ability of players to win football matches.
Most football matches are won and lost because one team has a better team than the other. Last night England were the inferior team to Croatia.
I think the FA cup is a good example of passion over ability. If you mix both you get a class side like Arsenal going unbeaten for a season or Man U winning title after title. Passion breads desire. There isn't enough desire in the England camp and so a side like Croatia will roll us over. They had passion and played like a team because of it. It was there in 1990 and 1996, but now I get the impression the players have half an eye on champions league and premiership titles.
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I often think passion is an attribute servery overrated by football fans (at every level) when it comes to the ability of players to win football matches.
Most football matches are won and lost because one team has a better team than the other. Last night England were the inferior team to Croatia.
I think the FA cup is a good example of passion over ability. If you mix both you get a class side like Arsenal going unbeaten for a season or Man U winning title after title. Passion breads desire. There isn't enough desire in the England camp and so a side like Croatia will roll us over. They had passion and played like a team because of it. It was there in 1990 and 1996, but now I get the impression the players have half an eye on champions league and premiership titles.
There may be a lack of passion from England players but for me that's a secondary issue.
The primary issue, and the reason we lost last night, is that the ability of the players we have at our disposal is nowhere near as great as many people seem to believe.
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Agree totally with Jimmy, which begs the question, how can a country with just 4 million people produce more talented footballers than us?
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A salary cap is in place in a number of other sports (Rugby League) for example and it works very well with strong penalties imposed on those who break it. The cap in this case is on the total salary budget which enables you to pay 1 player say £90,000 per annum, pay 19 more £500 each per annum and still come in under the £100K cap.
I was at a conference where William Gaillard from FIFA was expounding quotas on overseas players. He said that the legal experts were trying to work out the implications re restraint of trade, free market economies etc. so this does seem like something that the authorities are looking at hopefully.
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To be fair, the team that started last night was the england B team.
No owen, rooney, ashley cole, terry, ferdinand, beckham, neville or a real 1st choice keeper in the starting lineup
Make shift defence that had never played together with a young keeper, we need stuart coburn to get in the team. He would have kept a clean sheet for sure.
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Bring back Sven ;)
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I was curious as to why Ashley Cole started on the bench?
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A few things:
1) Beckhams crosss to crouch yesterday was dropped perfectly onto crouchs' chest and it was only a dodgy first touch that gave himself a fair bit to do.
2) somebody said something about Wayne Bridge shouldnt be in the team. He played well on friday night so it is only natural to give him another run out while he is doing well instead of dropping him after a good performance.
3) The 'cap' on foreign players is, i think, used in Spain.
4) A wage cap would be great if it could be done without being illegal or whatever.
5) England are sh*te and last night just proves that they dont have a God given right to qualify for major tournaments like some people would believe.
6) I think Ashley Cole is coming back from injury but dont hold me to that, just something i heard.
7) Is Andy Johnson injured, Defoe is not good enough for england.
8) That is all
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I was curious as to why Ashley Cole started on the bench?
McLaren not sure if he was fit enough with no match fitness.
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7) Is Andy Johnson injured, Defoe is not good enough for england.
I agree about Defoe. Never been impresed at that level. A boring player who never really makes the most of chances when it matters.
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Al, massively overpaid and also they should not recieve severance pay when they are sacked to the degree of millions of pounds.
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What has Andy Johnson got to do with it? If the answer to our prayers is either him or Spurs reserve strikers it tells you all you need to know about why we didn't qualify.
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I think a wage cap would work just as much as a foreigner cap.
Gerrard played well last night but Lampard was absent for most of it. If they both had a salary cap of 40 grand a week being the highest paid player would suddenly mean naff all and they might start to realise that playing for your country and being great is the only way to be recognized worldwide as the best players in the world.
I think I know what you're getting at Teasy, too much money saps their desire but might I suggest that you need to take a few 0s of it. I think £40,000 a week softens the blow too much for them, ok it ain't £100,000 but I think it's enough for them not to truly give a toss.
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What has Andy Johnson got to do with it? If the answer to our prayers is either him or Spurs reserve strikers it tells you all you need to know about why we didn't qualify.
He is much better than Defoe and while everyone is injured is probably the best striker to play with crouch. That is why i asked if he was injured. :)
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my grandad will be smilin in heaven i wish he could have seen this year campaign but world cup 2010 anyone? lol tbh if england played as a team and showed passion they would have qualifyed with ease. bring back the home nations tournament.
What will the home nations learn by playing each other? They need to play foreign sides to improve themselves further.