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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Sarf London Alty on July 30, 2007, 10:07:25 PM
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So, I see we lost tonight.
Had a quick look at the TR site, looked like they had a fairly strong team out. Anyone who went then, how did we play and what was the team?
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couldnt get to the gme 2nyt.
But i would like to know how they played, were there any players which played well an look good for the start of this coming season?
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GH played a number of regulars, we looked lightweight upfront.
We improved when Potts came on.
Tinson made a few mistakes, probably still on holiday!
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We were not very good tonight. We played like we did virtually all of last season.
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tbh i rekon we held our own against there first team (or as close to it). it was only really one mistake that cost us the goal, other than that considering that the football league season starts a week after we do so tranmere are near enough at the same stage of there preperations we did ok. cavell coo looked like he caused them some problems down the wing and i rekon he will sign for us now and possibly pottsy as well. but in my opinion we wont play many teams this year that are that strong and i rekon we will be ok this year (not saying were going to be pushing for promotion or anything) but i doubt we'll be in the bottom 4 (but then again it's a long way till may, but for now im happy).
p.s. we have to remember that at this stage of pre season GH will be running the players into the ground at training so there going to look tierd in matches.
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I felt we did ok considering we were playng a really strong Tranmere team, much stronger incidentaly than the one which lost to Southport last week. Defensively we looked a good solid unit (Lane especially) and Val and Sedge were combative in midfield. Robbie and Coo struggled out wide against very good full backs and there was absolutely no height or menace up front (Joe was poor). Even when Rod and Senior came on, we caused little threat. Pottsy, bless him, did his best and did make a little difference, at least giving their excellent number 3 something to think about.
At the end of the day, there is so little dividing teams in the lower tiers of English football. If Tranmere's big number 9 and number 3 had been Alty players, we'd be a pretty successful Conference team - it's just finding those players really. A final point. I was expecting to see all the trialists given a decent run out tonight and was disappointed to see Berkeley and Baguely used as token late subs with no Gaysham at all. Can Coo not be given an opportunity to play wide right? As Ballers said, much as we were last year. We still need those two key players.
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i doubt we'll see gaysham again as for baguley i doubt we'll sign him (not because he is a bad player but more that he is similar too sedgmore). but i do hope berkeley signs
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I'm sorry....but Cavell Coo is simply not up to the required standard.
So easily knocked off the ball.
As Ballers has commented, tonight's performance was a replica of so many games from last season.
We lacked creativity and any threat down the wings and made very few chances.
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I'm sorry....but Cavell Coo is simply not up to the required standard.
Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
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A boring game that took us 85 minutes to get a shot on target.
A mistake at back for their goal and a few errors from Tinson, but overall he looked strong.
Very lightweight up from and the signs are there from last season that to be honest we do not know how to create opportunities for ourselves. All we do is play little balls around the box and try to feed someone through which gets intercepted or runs to the keeper.
Coburn - his usual self with some good blocks
Lane - looked solid and composed on the ball
Munroe - played quite well but needs more understanding with Tinson could be a good partnership
Tinson - Ran the back four very well but a couple of slight errors that didnt cost us.
Aspinal - cant control the ball and was weak at left back - not his usual position though.
Lawton - Didnt see much of him, think he drifted in and out of the game.
Owen - Some terrible tackles from him and he deserved to be booked and injured for what he did. but was strong.
Sedgemore - looks class
Cavel Coo is a total waste of time for me. He tries but is NOT good enough. Should have won a penalty.
Little - Ran his heart out but got nowhere, didnt create anything
O'Neill - controlled the ball and then had no one to pass to as no midfield support.
Baguely I think shows some good atributes and likes to shoot. I can see him doing well.
Berkely - did absolutely nothing again and is not what is needed.
Potts - looked lively but alot of his crosses were blocked.
Senior - didnt have time to influence the game.
I am sure I have missed some but that is my summary.
If we dont improve our attacking play and continue this ball over the top for little and O'Neill to run on to I fear much the same as last season but with less goals going against us.
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Come on Jenga! Berkely didn't exactly have time to make any significant impact. I like Joe, but he kept giving the ball away. First and foremost we need a tall, powerful sriker who can mix it a bit. Taylor was a handful for them. Then, we need a left footed left back, because there are so many good right wingers in our league. Agree that Baguely and Sedge look too similar - shame really.
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Cavell Coo has been relentlessly slagged off on here from the word go. From what I've been told by people who have seen most of the friendlies, he is actually not as bad as some people on here would have you believe. I think the crucial thing to remember is that he has been playing on the left all summer and for a right-footed player this is never exactly going to bring the best out of you.
I'm not in a position to speak from first hand experience as I've not seen the lad play, but some people on here are just a little bit quick to start slagging players off sometimes. Karl Munroe anybody?
Just a thought.....
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Agree. Coo did appear to give the ball away too easily last night, but should surely be given the opportunity to play somewhere on the right for at least part of the TNS game.
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Tinson made a few mistakes but i think he will be a good signing when he settles in. Joe is my favourite player but he needs to score more goals. If Potts can stay fit he will be one of the best wingers in this division. The team have enough ability to survive again. Just don't let Aspinall take the penalties.
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With Colin Potts now definitely on board I think we'll start to see more from our strikers. We missed his running and his crosses badly last season. With Senior playing wide left as well we appear to have a lot more pace in the team which is really encouraging.
With regard to the defence, I think once they have gelled a bit more we will see their true worth. We have not exactly had a settled defensive lineup in pre-season and once they get a couple more games under their belt I think we'll see a big improvement.
As far as Coo is concerned, I feel that he got off (quite literally) on the wrong foot by being played at left back. From what I've been told he looked a lot better in midfield and it will be interesting to see how he develops (if indeed he accepts the offer that's been made to him).
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I would like Cavell Coo to sign. I think he is one of those players who could surprise some people. How many people would have backed Joe O'Neill to be our player of the season 12 months ago?
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I would like Cavell Coo to sign. I think he is one of those players who could surprise some people. How many people would have backed Joe O'Neill to be our player of the season 12 months ago?
Abso-bloody-exactly!
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Who the Cavell Coo are you!
WHO THE CAVELL COO ARE YOU!!
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Tinson made a few mistakes but i think he will be a good signing when he settles in. Joe is my favourite player but he needs to score more goals. If Potts can stay fit he will be one of the best wingers in this division. The team have enough ability to survive again. Just don't let Aspinall take the penalties.
??? ???
Although there are many things I wouldn't wnat Asa to do, play left back for example, taking penalties isn't one of them. His record is absolutely exceptional. Since he's been here I can only recall 1 miss v St. Albans in about 5 years. Are you sure you're thinking of the right player?
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Aspinall is world's best at penalties.
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Aspinall is world's best at penalties.
Trouble is that you can't bring him on just to take penalties unless bring in the use of rolling subsitutes next season.]
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Altringham have a PK, Azzpinall the field goal kicker is entering the field of play to unleash his scud missile right foot on the football.
The Northwich Goal Guard looks scared. Redfearn orders his DE-fense to take a timeout. But its too late Azzpinall thunders it into the scorebag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The slime cardinals are negative one to the Altringham SuperRobins!!!!!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving!
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Although there are many things I wouldn't wnat Asa to do, play left back for example, taking penalties isn't one of them. His record is absolutely exceptional. Since he's been here I can only recall 1 miss v St. Albans in about 5 years. Are you sure you're thinking of the right player?
Ballers,
How could you forget Aspinall's penalty miss on a foggy Saturday in Southport last season?!
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
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Cavell Coo has been relentlessly slagged off on here from the word go. From what I've been told by people who have seen most of the friendlies, he is actually not as bad as some people on here would have you believe. I think the crucial thing to remember is that he has been playing on the left all summer and for a right-footed player this is never exactly going to bring the best out of you.
I'm not in a position to speak from first hand experience as I've not seen the lad play, but some people on here are just a little bit quick to start slagging players off sometimes. Karl Munroe anybody?
Just a thought.....
I was talking to a very well-informed scout from Tranmere at last night's game and he confirmed that Cavell Coo had always played at left back or on the left side of midfield when he had watched him play for Crewe.
All a bit perplexing really, as he so obviously favours his right foot.
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Cavell Coo has been relentlessly slagged off on here from the word go. From what I've been told by people who have seen most of the friendlies, he is actually not as bad as some people on here would have you believe. I think the crucial thing to remember is that he has been playing on the left all summer and for a right-footed player this is never exactly going to bring the best out of you.
I'm not in a position to speak from first hand experience as I've not seen the lad play, but some people on here are just a little bit quick to start slagging players off sometimes. Karl Munroe anybody?
Just a thought.....
I was talking to a very well-informed scout from Tranmere at last night's game and he confirmed that Cavell Coo had always played at left back or on the left side of midfield when he had watched him play for Crewe.
All a bit perplexing really, as he so obviously favours his right foot.
Maybe he has a problem with his balance and he always drifts to the left??????
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
Thats the problem though isn't it. GH knows what standard we need and he is still working to a small wage budget (as he said to us at marine). It isn't as though he isnt trying out different things. He saw Coo as a left back and gave him a trial. It may not have workked out for him at left back but it proves GH knows wwhat he is after and is trying his hardest to get it. From the number of players we have played at left back this season, isn't it obvious that GH sees this as our main problem area?
I think people should appreciate what he is trying to do and that it is a bloody difficult thing to bring decent players to a part time club for not very much money.
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
I see what you're saying, but It's not as if GH sits there while planning his squad and just thinks "I only want to make the numbers up here so we'll just sign anyone we can get". I'm certain he's making every effort to sign the best possible players, but it's the same old story that many of the better players want full time football and those who don't want far too much money. I think we've made really good signings this summer so far and it would have been great to pick up a top class left back. IT's not happened yet but there are still another 10 days before the season starts and there are still plenty of players without clubs. Maybe some of them will be in touch before then.
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
I see what you're saying, but It's not as if GH sits there while planning his squad and just thinks "I only want to make the numbers up here so we'll just sign anyone we can get". I'm certain he's making every effort to sign the best possible players, but it's the same old story that many of the better players want full time football and those who don't want far too much money. I think we've made really good signings this summer so far and it would have been great to pick up a top class left back. IT's not happened yet but there are still another 10 days before the season starts and there are still plenty of players without clubs. Maybe some of them will be in touch before then.
Exactly my point. Much more eloquently put though. Well done ;)
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
So when the 12 world beaters we've signed for next season get injured/suspended we do what?
Perhaps taking a gamble on a player who might not look that good at first might pay off, if we sign him on non-contract basis and it does not work out we don't loose much do we?
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
Thats the problem though isn't it. GH knows what standard we need and he is still working to a small wage budget (as he said to us at marine). It isn't as though he isnt trying out different things. He saw Coo as a left back and gave him a trial. It may not have workked out for him at left back but it proves GH knows wwhat he is after and is trying his hardest to get it. From the number of players we have played at left back this season, isn't it obvious that GH sees this as our main problem area?
I think people should appreciate what he is trying to do and that it is a bloody difficult thing to bring decent players to a part time club for not very much money.
i EAR what you are saying mike
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I'd say give Coo a chance. He has got pace and is young. Yes he gets put off the ball easily and cuts inside all the time but all that can be worked on and he can improve. We were speaking to a Tranmere fan and he said that there were only 2 regulars playing? Not sure, just what he told us. It was a poor performance but GH was having a tinker and trying things out, its not always going to work but look at the Rotheram game, there are goals in the team.
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Perhaps Coo is the best of what is available, would you prefer we signed nobody and went into the season with 15 men?
No, I'd prefer that we signed a better standard of player rather than just someone who will make up the numbers.
well then mr cult if you know the name of a left back who is left footed, will cost nuffing to bring to the club, will play part time football and for little wages. then by all means call the club and tell them of this player if not trust in the fact that GH knows more about the abilitys of his squad and the players he signs than you. and cavell carnt be that bad a player if dario gradi had him at crewe. now i personally have seen every pre season game from old gregorians to tranmere last night and my opinion is that cavell coo is a good player who maybe with some work with graham and dalton could become a solid player for us, the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year. we couldn't get him due to our lack of money so lets see how this young man does
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the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year.
Sorry missing something here. Who are you talking about?
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Ballers,
How could you forget Aspinall's penalty miss on a foggy Saturday in Southport last season?!
Lots ot repetitive far eastern mind numbing techniques watching videos of spiritual gardens helped me to successfully blank it out...D'oh!
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the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year.
Sorry missing something here. Who are you talking about?
adam yates who started at crewe was on trial with us then went to morcombe got promotion and will be in the football league this year
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the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year.
Sorry missing something here. Who are you talking about?
adam yates who started at crewe was on trial with us then went to morcombe got promotion and will be in the football league this year
well said duke -like the my space thing , went to loreto meself , years go though-good place i liked it
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well then mr cult if you know the name of a left back who is left footed, will cost nuffing to bring to the club, will play part time football and for little wages. then by all means call the club and tell them of this player if not trust in the fact that GH knows more about the abilitys of his squad and the players he signs than you. and cavell carnt be that bad a player if dario gradi had him at crewe. now i personally have seen every pre season game from old gregorians to tranmere last night and my opinion is that cavell coo is a good player who maybe with some work with graham and dalton could become a solid player for us, the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year. we couldn't get him due to our lack of money so lets see how this young man does
Believe me, if I did know the name of a suitable left full back, I would have volunteered it to someone at the club by now!
Alas, having a non-football related job and not being employed as a football scout means that I am unable to attend various football matches in the North West and analyse potential players.
Besides, I thought that we employed a manager and assistant to do that?!
You rate Cavell Coo.
I don't.
That's all.
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How many times have you see Coo play?
I think we should give him a chance before we start having a go at him, as others have said; look at Joe last season.
It's the dawn of a new season, can people just be positive please?
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Ok maybe his pre-season form hasn't been great but GH must have seen something in the lad.
Give him a chance and as someone said earlier if he isn't upto it and he isn't on a contract the costs are minimal.
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the last player we had on trial from crewe is going to play in the football league this year.
Sorry missing something here. Who are you talking about?
adam yates who started at crewe was on trial with us then went to morcombe got promotion and will be in the football league this year
That's such a tenious link!! Yates wasn't at Crewe when he had a 'trial' with us, he was at Leek, also he doesn't live in Crewe either afaik so hardly the last player we had on trila from Crewe, although funnily enough I think that player might be James Robinson who is possibly a better example.
Cavell Coo, some good points but a lot of weaknessess, the type of player who i would be happy with in ConfNorth but in the BSP it's a tough bloody league, similar to the standard of the Tranmere side last night and we can't afford to carry any passengers, not for one single game really.
That said he's looked a bit better at left back than he has elsewhere, maybe some just feel like I do, a bit irritated that a full year or so after Chrissy left we don't have a left back and are playing 2 right sided players there with predictable results. I'm now a bit worried about Warren Peyton, he needs to play. If Gary Scott is fit enough for the opening day I will be happy to start of with him lb and Peyton lw (as long as Potts is on the rw) but remember by mid September, the full time teams in this league who scoout and watch our games had this side of us well and truly sewn up.
And yes, I do know that GH has been chasing after and looking for left backs in a similar manner to someone using a dating agency! ;)
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That's such a tenious link!! Yates wasn't at Crewe when he had a 'trial' with us, he was at Leek, also he doesn't live in Crewe either afaik so hardly the last player we had on trila from Crewe, although funnily enough I think that player might be James Robinson who is possibly a better example.
Cavell Coo, some good points but a lot of weaknessess, the type of player who i would be happy with in ConfNorth but in the BSP it's a tough bloody league, similar to the standard of the Tranmere side last night and we can't afford to carry any passengers, not for one single game really.
That said he's looked a bit better at left back than he has elsewhere, maybe some just feel like I do, a bit irritated that a full year or so after Chrissy left we don't have a left back and are playing 2 right sided players there with predictable results. I'm now a bit worried about Warren Peyton, he needs to play. If Gary Scott is fit enough for the opening day I will be happy to start of with him lb and Peyton lw (as long as Potts is on the rw) but remember by mid September, the full time teams in this league who scoout and watch our games had this side of us well and truly sewn up.
And yes, I do know that GH has been chasing after and looking for left backs in a similar manner to someone using a dating agency! ;)
Ballers,
Superb post.
You are absolutely correct.
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I think we should give him a chance before we start having a go at him, as others have said; look at Joe last season.[/color][/u][/b]
I am still staggered people rate Joe as highly as they do! His control is weak as is his shot. I can see how he's quite useful sometimes, but player of the season? ???
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I think we should give him a chance before we start having a go at him, as others have said; look at Joe last season.[/color][/u][/b]
I am still staggered people rate Joe as highly as they do! His control is weak as is his shot. I can see how he's quite useful sometimes, but player of the season? ???
I voted for Joe as player of the year last season because he got loads of stick for his early performances but kept working hard and it paid off. Despite what people think he's still the best we have at holding the ball up which we will need away from home. A lot. I'm not saying he'll get 15 goals this season, but he will be needed and should be rated by the fans.
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I think we should give him a chance before we start having a go at him, as others have said; look at Joe last season.[/color][/u][/b]
I am still staggered people rate Joe as highly as they do! His control is weak as is his shot. I can see how he's quite useful sometimes, but player of the season? ???
I voted for Joe as player of the year last season because he got loads of stick for his early performances but kept working hard and it paid off. Despite what people think he's still the best we have at holding the ball up which we will need away from home. A lot. I'm not saying he'll get 15 goals this season, but he will be needed and should be rated by the fans.
He's the kind of player who works hard and you don't necessarily notice him, but if he wasn't there you would miss him. I think we'll see Joe continue to improve next season too.
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Last year Joe was having to Win the header, flick it on, hold it up, put a cross in and get on the end of it.
He never shirked his task or stopped working once throughout the entire season. I think that's why he's appreciated.