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Title: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: CRT Butty on June 13, 2022, 07:44:57 PM
I see a suggestion has been out forward to trial kick ins, instead of a throw.

I am 100% that 20/25 years ago the northern premier league trialled this in a league cup competition.

Can anybody confirm that please? There's no better place to go for this kind of info.

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Saughall Robin on June 13, 2022, 07:54:10 PM
I see a suggestion has been out forward to trial kick ins, instead of a throw.

I am 100% that 20/25 years ago the northern premier league trialled this in a league cup competition.

Can anybody confirm that please? There's no better place to go for this kind of info.

Thanks everyone.

My kids were all either in their teens or early twenties round about then so I had my hands full dealing with all their cr*p and working all the hours to have any idea.
Tangential awareness seems to think you're correct though.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Sale Holmfield on June 13, 2022, 08:46:58 PM
I see a suggestion has been out forward to trial kick ins, instead of a throw.

I am 100% that 20/25 years ago the northern premier league trialled this in a league cup competition.

Can anybody confirm that please? There's no better place to go for this kind of info.

Thanks everyone.

I can remember a league doing that, but I am not sure which one it was; the Isthmian League comes to mind, but memory and a Google search both fail me.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Hugh on June 13, 2022, 10:38:54 PM
I'm pretty sure it was the Isthmian league, with the result being described as transforming the league into "land of the giants", presumably because of all those extra balls into the box. I would not want to repeat the experiment though I would be open to a return to the team that puts the ball out putting it back in, then we could kick for touch like in rugby!

Let's have a return to the four steps rule while we're at it, and six seconds for the keeper to kick the ball out, strictly enforced by video game refs...
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: SW on June 13, 2022, 10:43:11 PM
It was the Isthmian league sometime in the mid 90s, I saw a couple of games. It was a farce, teams played for the line and on getting a kick in, they had to tell the referee of the intention. The game then stopped while everyone piled into the box. Terrible idea.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Sale Holmfield on June 13, 2022, 10:47:19 PM
Google has started to work for me and it was indeed the Isthmian League in 1994-95 as well as certain overseas leagues.  Here's Horsham's take on it; it doesn't seem to have been a good idea, as mentioned above.

https://www.horshamfc.co.uk/the-kick-in/ (https://www.horshamfc.co.uk/the-kick-in/)
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Hugh on June 13, 2022, 10:48:27 PM
I thought so.

Have there been any good experiments, or any you would like to see? And is this extra subs business (more than three) going to remain permanent for some competitions (and the no FA Cup replays after a certain round)?
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Bath Alty on June 13, 2022, 11:14:09 PM
Iíd like to see the punishment for a blatant dive being the advantage you were trying to gain. So drop down like youíve been shot clutching your face because someoneís finger touched you - straight red and three game ban. Dive in the box - penalty up the other end.

Agree something needs to change on the keepers. There is a rule that no one ever enforces. Maybe up it to 10 seconds but actually enforce it. And the time starts when you catch the ball and fall on it, not when you get up.

Shepherding the ball out of play is obstruction, the obvious intent is not to play the ball. Actually enforcing that one might encourage more long balls so Iím undecided on that one. Watching England piss about with it without appearing to be trying to score makes me more inclined to try it and see if it livens up too flight games. Might be detrimental at our level though if it triggers long throw merchants to take advantage of more attacking throw ins from defenders clearing it
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Howley Robin on June 14, 2022, 09:13:47 AM
I never saw a game in which kick ins were allowed, however a few years
earlier I'm sure the Conference was the league used to trial no off side
from direct free kicks. The fact that both only lasted one season speaks
volumes for their success? Certainly hope there are no plans to try them
again.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on June 14, 2022, 09:49:16 AM
I'd like to see the return of the golden goal instead of 30 extra minutes.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Howley Robin on June 14, 2022, 10:23:58 AM
The no off side at free kicks was trialed in the 1987/88 season and as with
the kick in was an open invitation to lump the ball into a very congested
goalmouth. Doubt neither of these would suit our style of football.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: rorysgrandad on June 14, 2022, 10:29:40 AM
First I've heard of this. Must have passed me by. What a crackpot idea.😱
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Bath Alty on June 14, 2022, 10:50:39 AM
The idea is to speed the game up. You can only kick it in if you do it within 5 seconds is the suggestion
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: MadFrankie on June 14, 2022, 10:56:45 AM
I'd like to see the return of the golden goal instead of 30 extra minutes.
Wasn't that experiment abandoned because it led to negative outcomes - teams were reluctant to be caught out on the break and risk conceding, so the golden goal period became a bit of a defensive bore-fest?
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Bangor on Dee Robin on June 14, 2022, 04:40:46 PM
Why don't we just make the goals bigger  :-X
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: Hugh on June 14, 2022, 06:28:53 PM
I thought so.

Have there been any good experiments, or any you would like to see? And is this extra subs business (more than three) going to remain permanent for some competitions (and the no FA Cup replays after a certain round)?

I've just seen in the NLP that 5 subs has been voted against by the NL. I suspect that would have favoured clubs who could afford bigger squads.
Title: Re: Kick in vs Throw in
Post by: rorysgrandad on June 14, 2022, 07:48:21 PM
Go from one corner flag to the other? 😁🤔