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https://www.betvictor.com/en-gb/sports/240/meetings/441511110/events/1723711500/market_group/3538
Gulp.
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Also says (both) referring to the Wrexham boss. Appalling if he goes there. Like Mooney, a potential league manager, but we've as much chance in the coming years as us going FT.
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Not sure that (our) Phil would jump ship at this present time.
Having said that, I didn’t think many golfers would jump ship to the Saudi golf LIV merry-go-round.
I suppose it’s all about the £££££s at the end of the day
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For what it's worth, I think Parky will undoubtedly stay for a good while yet. He pushed very hard for us to go full time and he's got a freeish hand at the Club.
If we don't improve in the next year or so, he might be tempted but I doubt it.
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For what it's worth, I think Parky will undoubtedly stay for a good while yet. He pushed very hard for us to go full time and he's got a freeish hand at the Club.
If we don't improve in the next year or so, he might be tempted but I doubt it.
Sadly I don't think he realises how good he has it here. No other manager in English football would stand by a 20-game winless streak without it ended sourly.
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For what it's worth, I think Parky will undoubtedly stay for a good while yet. He pushed very hard for us to go full time and he's got a freeish hand at the Club.
If we don't improve in the next year or so, he might be tempted but I doubt it.
Sadly I don't think he realises how good he has it here. No other manager in English football would stand by a 20-game winless streak without it ended sourly.
Of course he does.
He must recognise that he's got, amongst other things, a greater measure of job security here and that will be a factor in any decision.
If you are correct though, you do realise he's much more likely to go to Notts where he's likely to be offered a massive increase in salary and resources?
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For what it's worth, I think Parky will undoubtedly stay for a good while yet. He pushed very hard for us to go full time and he's got a freeish hand at the Club.
If we don't improve in the next year or so, he might be tempted but I doubt it.
Sadly I don't think he realises how good he has it here. No other manager in English football would stand by a 20-game winless streak without it ended sourly.
Of course he does.
He must recognise that he's got, amongst other things, a greater measure of job security here and that will be a factor in any decision.
If you are correct though, you do realise he's much more likely to go to Notts where he's likely to be offered a massive increase in salary and resources?
I don't doubt they're a bigger resourced club. But financially unless the payoff is secure he's risking his financial security on a trigger happy club.
Either way, we'll crack on, I hope Rob sticks to his promise to continue a footballing philosophy.
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Whatever line of business all the supporters are in, if another company offered to double their wages loyalty would go out of the window and I’d hazard a guess 90% would snap their hands off.
I know football is a different animal but even a manager’s career is not blessed with longevity and fraught with insecurity.
I’d hate to see Parky jump ship. To say he’d be missed would be some understatement. I’d also understand his reasoning.
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Presumably 'both' refers to Alty's and Wrexham's boss. If so, I'd hazard that they Wrexham have more to fear (although I doubt he'll be tempted. And while I rate PP, I think there are other candidates more likely to fit the criteria Notts will have. If he were to succumb to a lucrative offer (and I think given the chance, he'd be foolish not to) it would leave us in a very precarious position having just made the step up to F/T.
The interest in our talent being taken by some of the bigger clubs is not surprising given our relative success, but it's hard to take.
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I actually think it's far more likely to be our PP than Wrexham's. Wrexham's recent style of football is completely at odds with Notts County's, so unless they're looking for a culture shock, I think our Phil's possession-based style is far more suited. That's my biggest worry.
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That's what the fans on the Notts County forum think too. They, on the whole, seem to be quite favourable to him.
Very worrying indeed.
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Not sure that (our) Phil would jump ship at this present time.
Having said that, I didn’t think many golfers would jump ship to the Saudi golf LIV merry-go-round.
I suppose it’s all about the £££££s at the end of the day
I highly doubt Parky would triple his 10 year career earnings in one season moving to manage Notts County though.
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It would be very reassuring to all us fans to have some sort of statement from the Club to, hopefully, quash these rumours. At the moment, it's all speculation from a bookie site and the Notts fans forum.
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I think it could be close to going, at least its now rather than on the eve of the season. Where that leaves signed and potential recruits I dont know
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Does'nt look too promising at all . Despite all the positive vibes from Parky going forward with us , the lure of a former top division club of their size and history would be extremely hard to refuse . It comes down to loyalty v ambition and money . This is if the rumours are true of course .
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I think given the lack of comment either way. We've been approached by Notts County. I imagine Phil having rumoured to have already applied elsewhere, would want the chat.
Could be a long week ahead.
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it looks like the messages remain mixed on the rumour mill as well...
https://twitter.com/VNL_ITK_2022/status/1534573293281460225
This guy has just popped up and could be a troll, but he's firining out updates like nobodies business right now.
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The silence is deafening and probably tells us quite a bit. You can't blame him if he goes. Notts is a different level to us. If he does leave its a disaster considering the changes we have made and the players you imagine he would take with him.
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it looks like the messages remain mixed on the rumour mill as well...
https://twitter.com/VNL_ITK_2022/status/1534573293281460225
This guy has just popped up and could be a troll, but he's firining out updates like nobodies business right now.
He's a bit of a troll. The other week he was all on about the Wrexham Parky getting sacked.
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One of the sources suggests we're negotiating an agreement not to approach any of our current players.
The first one they'd obviously go for is Colclough.
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One of the sources suggests we're negotiating an agreement not to approach any of our current players.
The first one they'd obviously go for is Colclough.
Would soften the blow a bit .I presume Sorvel would go with him ?Didnt happen when Wild left Halifax recently
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O k, first of all we’re showing a bit of inexperience here. Lots of people on the internet talk absolute bollocks and this one strikes me as a troll to be honest.
I think Notts County are more likely to go for Wrexham Parky tbh.
But regardless of all that, I think as a club we’d be well within our rights just to have a chat with PP and draw up some ground rules/rules of engagement.
Obviously PP came here as an ambitious manager from a lower division who would possibly move on (up). I think we used to say if he did a good enough job to attract suitors from higher up then that was fine as it would be good for us (in that he’d have done a good job).
However, circumstances have changed. We’ve taken the step up to go full time, not lightly taken I should add, and it’s an important year for us. It’s arguably the pivotal summer in the clubs history and requires the utmost focus and concentration from top to bottom including the manager.
Whilst there would always be speculation and Parky’s name linked to other jobs, I don’t think it’s healthy for us to continue when there is the possibility he would leave for a bigger club every time there’s a managerial vacancy (there will be at least 4 or 5 more of these during the season btw).
I mean, I’m being slightly presumptuous here. PP could well be reading this with bemusement having shown no desire or inkling to go to Notts County and wondering why his name is being bandied about.
But it might be time to just firm up a bit of protocol for the board. eg we’re not necessarily standing in your way but we expect not to go this summer or even indeed season, and definitely not on the eve of the season as Hulme did (I’m surprised how meekly people shrugged their shoulders at that still) and come to a form of agreement in addition to the standard contract. Because basically, any compensation paid would not be enough for losing our manager.
It’s all conjecture of course but I think we have a right to insist there’s not constant undue certainty (can’t be good for potential recruitment for a start).
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A very good post Ballers.
My only quibble would be that I think there were quite a number of people (myself included) who were appalled at the manner of hulmes departure (and his return actually).
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For what it's worth, I think Parky will undoubtedly stay for a good while yet. He pushed very hard for us to go full time and he's got a freeish hand at the Club.
If we don't improve in the next year or so, he might be tempted but I doubt it.
Sadly I don't think he realises how good he has it here. No other manager in English football would stand by a 20-game winless streak without it ended sourly.
Of course he knows, and the 20 game streak, whilst bad, was something most were confident he’d get us out of. He came out of it with more credit if anything. He’s built this club back up in the last 5 years so I doubt there were any thoughts at all of him being sacked and I’d also hazard a guess that most other clubs in England would act the same in those circumstances.
As for the Notts County job, it’s extremely concerning and I’d genuinely fear for us this year if he did go. You couldn’t begrudge him for it, though. They might be in our division but they’re streets ahead of us (and most of the rest of the national league) in nearly every other way.
Someone below mentioned it comes down to loyalty V ambition. Well, I don’t think we’d be where we are if Phil wasn’t highly ambitious. It’s just a question of whether we are the club where he can fulfil that or if he thinks Notts County offers the more appealing opportunity. I’m praying it’s the former.
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A very good post Ballers.
My only quibble would be that I think there were quite a number of people (myself included) who were appalled at the manner of hulmes departure (and his return actually).
Yeh I know, I was just really touchy about it still.
Also slightly embarrassed at how cheap I am when it turned out that one goal against Dagenham was all it took for me to put that it in the dustbin of history 😂
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As for the Notts County job, it’s extremely concerning and I’d genuinely fear for us this year if he did go. You couldn’t begrudge him for it, though. They might be in our division but they’re streets ahead of us (and most of the rest of the national league) in nearly every other way.
Someone below mentioned it comes down to loyalty V ambition. Well, I don’t think we’d be where we are if Phil wasn’t highly ambitious. It’s just a question of whether we are the club where he can fulfil that or if he thinks Notts County offers the more appealing opportunity. I’m praying it’s the former.
Obviously Notts County are the biggest club in the league tbf but I was talking more generally. But that’s a good point that Phil’s ambition is what drives him. And maybe we can’t have it both ways. I just think we need to point out that it can’t simply be unfettered ambition if it leads to uncertainty that is destabilising. We’ve got a right to be able to plan properly for the present and future as a club just like PP has personally. And we have to take precedence.
Hopefully this is just an interesting topic rather than an actual issue though.
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If he’s already given assurances to the board then the only uncertainty is on here and frankly that doesn’t matter much in the scheme of things.
We can’t expect the club to come out and say the speculation is groundless every time someone claims to know something otherwise when it eventually is true that he’s talking to someone else their silence really does speak volumes and if it doesn’t come to anything it destabilises everyone unnecessarily. It’s why no other club comes out and says ‘our manager is being linked with xyz but don’t worry he’s not going anywhere’.
I’d expect Phil to be interested in the county job but I also think he is good enough to know that he is an integral part of this club now and he has an obligation to reciprocate some of the faith we have shown in him and not leave us in the lurch this season. If he leaves for them next summer then fair enough, if he leaves just as we have committed this club to what he wants and said goodbye to so many stalwarts to do so then he is not the man I think he is.
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If he’s already given assurances to the board then the only uncertainty is on here and frankly that doesn’t matter much in the scheme of things.
We can’t expect the club to come out and say the speculation is groundless every time someone claims to know something otherwise when it eventually is true that he’s talking to someone else their silence really does speak volumes and if it doesn’t come to anything it destabilises everyone unnecessarily. It’s why no other club comes out and says ‘our manager is being linked with xyz but don’t worry he’s not going anywhere’.
I’d expect Phil to be interested in the county job but I also think he is good enough to know that he is an integral part of this club now and he has an obligation to reciprocate some of the faith we have shown in him and not leave us in the lurch this season. If he leaves for them next summer then fair enough, if he leaves just as we have committed this club to what he wants and said goodbye to so many stalwarts to do so then he is not the man I think he is.
I wasted ten minutes on a post before. This is absolutely it in a nutshell tbf.
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One of the sources suggests we're negotiating an agreement not to approach any of our current players.
The first one they'd obviously go for is Colclough.
Would soften the blow a bit .I presume Sorvel would go with him ?Didnt happen when Wild left Halifax recently
I think this is an issue, I hope someone from the board will come out and confirm that Foz will be staying
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One of the sources suggests we're negotiating an agreement not to approach any of our current players.
The first one they'd obviously go for is Colclough.
Would soften the blow a bit .I presume Sorvel would go with him ?Didnt happen when Wild left Halifax recently
I think this is an issue, I hope someone from the board will come out and confirm that Foz will be staying
All joking Aside, we've suffered massively from Tommy and Ryan leaving in terms of injuries this year. Or feels like it.
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Now 1/4, with the Heed’s Mike Williamson in to 8/1.
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My biggest worry is that, putting myself in Parky's shoes, it's exactly the type of job that ticks all of the boxes.
They're the biggest team in this league like we were in the Evo Stik - he knew the level like he now knows this one - and we're sadly now Nantwich.
If he lives around the Stoke area then it's in his catchment too.
But as previously stated, the biggest speculation might be on this forum - I wouldn't expect the club to say anything about it, it's not their job to - and others are right, given Parky's burgeoning reputation at this level he'll now be installed on all the bookie's lists for all similar jobs anyway.
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I don't have a good feeling about how this is going to play out but one sliver of hope I do have comes from what Phil said to me after the Bromley game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBR2lBsh14o (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBR2lBsh14o)
I'm talking about his answer at around the 7'30" mark. I really hope that sense that his best days here are still ahead of him is what swings it.
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My biggest worry is that, putting myself in Parky's shoes, it's exactly the type of job that ticks all of the boxes.
They're the biggest team in this league like we were in the Evo Stik - he knew the level like he now knows this one - and we're sadly now Nantwich.
If he lives around the Stoke area then it's in his catchment too.
But as previously stated, the biggest speculation might be on this forum - I wouldn't expect the club to say anything about it, it's not their job to - and others are right, given Parky's burgeoning reputation at this level he'll now be installed on all the bookie's lists for all similar jobs anyway.
He lives in Nantwich
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Obviously the day will come when we say farewell to Parky.
I’m 80% convinced in my own mind that us having just gone to a FT model he would be desperate to stick around with Neil and have a good go at establishing us as a full time club.
There is of course the other 20% .
It will be nice to hear from a reliable source that he is staying with us.
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Phil and Neil will realise its a big risk, Notts are one of 5 clubs who demand promotion (especially with Forest back in the PL) and a year from now they would be out of a job with their stock fallen low if they fail.
Another year with a track record as a successful full time manager of a full time team at Alty and the world would be their oyster.
Having had full support from the club and fans and just going full time, now is very bad timing for everyone.
Hope they think this through and stay with Alty.
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This football club is bigger than any manager, yes it would be disappointing if the two managers went but how can anyone blame them when a rather large club come calling.
I assume they are under contract and therefore a compensation payment would be in order and Altrincham as footy club carry on and appoint a better manager and entourage team.
It’s not the end of the world, the board has set us up as a new beginning let’s get on with it with whoever.
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My biggest worry is that, putting myself in Parky's shoes, it's exactly the type of job that ticks all of the boxes.
They're the biggest team in this league like we were in the Evo Stik - he knew the level like he now knows this one - and we're sadly now Nantwich.
If he lives around the Stoke area then it's in his catchment too.
But as previously stated, the biggest speculation might be on this forum - I wouldn't expect the club to say anything about it, it's not their job to - and others are right, given Parky's burgeoning reputation at this level he'll now be installed on all the bookie's lists for all similar jobs anyway.
He lives in Nantwich
This is what I thought until someone mentioned he was over Stoke way (hence the links to Stoke City).
That makes me feel a little bit better about it.
Maybe he's holding out for Crewe if they continue to drop like a stone ;)
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Cheer up folks. Parky's gone out to 2/7!
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It's the difference in odds between Phil and the 2nd fav that worries me .
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Twitter account just updated - Phil & Neil turned down an approach
https://twitter.com/altrinchamfc/status/1534937841016328211
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It's the difference in odds between Phil and the 2nd fav that worries me .
Shurrup! It's me who's supposed to be the glass half empty bloke! 😂😂
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Twitter account just updated - Phil & Neil turned down an approach
https://twitter.com/altrinchamfc/status/1534937841016328211
WOW - fair play to them, I was genuinely worried about this one - although I'm sure we won't be out of the woods just yet if they're determined to come back with an improved offer.
In Parky and Sorvs we absolutely trust.
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Altrincham FC
@altrinchamfc
Phil Parkinson and Neil Sorvel have decided to turn down an approach from another club.
“We’re looking forward to driving Alty forward in this new era with this exciting young team we’ve assembled so far this season” - Phil Parkinson
https://twitter.com/altrinchamfc/status/1534941893833854981 (https://twitter.com/altrinchamfc/status/1534941893833854981)
The original (now deleted) tweet had a rather telling backdrop..!
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Yeeeesssssssss
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Wow! That is really great news........ :)
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Superb news. I’ll admit to being worried about the approach to Parky from Notts County.
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The Notts County perspective:
https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38291436 (https://boards.footymad.net/showthread.php?t=38291436)
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Fantastic news!
You've made the right decision, you two, for yourselves and for all of us!
Really happy you've decided to stay and continue your upward trajectory with the super Robins!
👍
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Fair play.
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Wow! That is just remarkable news and has made my day.
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100% Hero.........Wow
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great news :)
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Absolutely brilliant news , top marks Phil and Neil and your loyalty is much appreciated ........now where's that half litre of ale that needs swigging 😄
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Slowly reaching legend status around these parts.
Regardless of who we sign, this will be the best news we'll receive all summer.
But at the same time, we'd better get used to this.
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Great news, Phil & Sorvs obviously want to finish what they have started here at Moss Lane.
Loyalty is a trait that is very commendable, but rare in this day and age in any walk of life.
Well done to both of you for choosing to stick around at WA15.
You have made a lot of Alty fans happy.
Onwards and Upwards
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Incredible news I’d convinced myself it was a done deal. I’m sure it was not easy to turn down an offer like that so hats off to Phil and Neil.
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Lets hope the doubters remember this if we lose a few games on the spin.
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Lets hope the doubters remember this if we lose a few games on the spin.
You mean when, not if. We shouldn't over-anticipate our prospects for this season. We will need to bed in what will, in some ways, be a new squad. I will be absolutely delighted with a top half finish, and the second half of the season will tell us more about our progress than the first. Playoffs the following season is not an unreasonable expectation. The important thing is that we'll be moving into an exciting new era with a successful and respected management team at the helm. Onwards and upwards !
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Take us to the promised land, progress each year. Build the team and it will come (or something similar).
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Great news and rather unexpected, but it does Phil great credit, as well as the club who stuck by him during that sticky patch. I imagine, with continued progress, he will leave upwards eventually, but right now, with the team going full-time as part of his project, was not the time.
Bit of a bad day for Notts County with them also losing Kyle Wootton to Stockport County.
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Best news we’ll have all summer, if you’d said 5 years ago we’d have a management duo who’d turn down the Notts County gig….crazy. Shows the big strides the club has made and continues to make on and off the pitch. A lot of the players I suspect are here too because of loyalty and a desire to want to play for Parky & Sorvs so it would have left us in a very difficult position. Time for a few more signings and use this as a renewed push for ST sales.
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Really pleased Phil and Neil are staying, great integrity shown on all sides here. Must get my season ticket renewed now..
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We will never know whether they turned down a contract offer or an invitation to interview - and we don't need to. The fact is that they were a serious candidate for the Notts County's vacancy, an approach was made and they've chosen to stick with the project here. This could be a sharp advantage in our recruitment this summer. There's a story and vision that we can hopefully sell to our primary targets.
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Fair play, whether the deal wasn't right, or they preferred it here.
Phil's comments last month about multiple FA Trophy and EFL status as his ambition to be considered as AN Alty great would have jarred if he'd left this summer
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I really hope that the two of them achieve there ambition here at Alty.
It really does show how well the club has progressed over their tenure,
Long may it continue on its upwards trajectory.
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Great news just hope Crewe do well next season and Challinor doesn't go to Blackpool
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Contractually, how long do we have both as it stands? 18 months longer?
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I thought they signed a three year contract about this time last year.
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Phil's comments last month about (...) his ambition to be considered as AN Alty great (..)
Mrs S says that she considers him one already 👍
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Phil's comments last month about (...) his ambition to be considered as AN Alty great (..)
Mrs S says that she considers him one already 👍
You're obviously married to a wise woman.
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Phil's comments last month about (...) his ambition to be considered as AN Alty great (..)
Mrs S says that she considers him one already 👍
You're obviously married to a wise woman.
Married to me and being a patron and season ticket holder, how could she be anything else? 😂😂