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Title: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 11, 2022, 09:31:39 PM
They are two levels above us but what the hell was that....

We again tried to set up to absorb the pressure like Boxing Day when we were dire.

We are just waiting to concede each game then using a ridiculous amount of energy chasing games that are too far away from us.

People moaned about PP not having a plan B, we need to get back to plan A and play our known formation.

Digie is awful.
Moult is too slow for this level.
Mooney isn't great when started.
Hancock is having an awful season.
TT can't move his feet before making any attempt to save.

Their second was shocking, we stood off 50 plus metres with no-one going near the ball. Hannigan was awful on that goal.

White never gets tight.

Really need to go back to basics. Would much rather lose giving it our best go.

The front four should be Colcough, Kossy, Pringle No.10 and Hulme.

PP always says about players taking their chance, Pringle has on several occasions but never starts??

One plus was Morgan.

A fan of PP but he needs to sort this nonsense out.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: JD on January 11, 2022, 09:42:45 PM
and we miss Hampson at LB
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Alty Bri on January 11, 2022, 10:17:39 PM
They are two levels above us but what the hell was that....

We again tried to set up to absorb the pressure like Boxing Day when we were dire.

We are just waiting to concede each game then using a ridiculous amount of energy chasing games that are too far away from us.

People moaned about PP not having a plan B, we need to get back to plan A and play our known formation.

Digie is awful.
Moult is too slow for this level.
Mooney isn't great when started.
Hancock is having an awful season.
TT can't move his feet before making any attempt to save.

Their second was shocking, we stood off 50 plus metres with no-one going near the ball. Hannigan was awful on that goal.

White never gets tight.

Really need to go back to basics. Would much rather lose giving it our best go.

The front four should be Colcough, Kossy, Pringle No.10 and Hulme.

PP always says about players taking their chance, Pringle has on several occasions but never starts??

One plus was Morgan.

A fan of PP but he needs to sort this nonsense out.

Yep, all this 100%.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Randy Konk on January 11, 2022, 10:49:05 PM
We were awful true, but why Digie is singled out is beyond me…

I thought he was one of the ‘better’ performers tonight.

Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 11, 2022, 10:51:40 PM
We were awful true, but why Digie is singled out is beyond me…

I thought he was one of the ‘better’ performers tonight.

Digie is all legs and very chaotic.

We look more nervous with him as a CB. Just the way it is.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: AFC56 on January 11, 2022, 10:52:04 PM
Very strange team selection tonight from Parky. Disrupting the Mullarkey / Hannigan partnership to bring in Digie, putting Mullarkey in centre midfield, then to round things off dropping Jordan and not playing a recognised striker.
The Pringle situation is baffling. One of the most gifted players we’ve had in years at Alty yet can’t get a start. Like mentioned above, I’d play him in the No.10 behind Jordan.
Stockport blitzed us at Edgeley, but tonight we surrendered before a ball was kicked. Think the wounds from Boxing Day hadn’t healed for Parky and it showed in the approach tonight.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: wayno on January 11, 2022, 11:24:23 PM
We were awful true, but why Digie is singled out is beyond me…

I thought he was one of the ‘better’ performers tonight.
I agreed I thought he looked very good particularly in the first half
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: distancetraveller on January 12, 2022, 12:16:18 AM
 As soon as saw the team sheet my pre match optimism waned somewhat.
Why split the centre back pairing and place Toby in Midfield.

Why wasn’t Furman playing in the defensive midfield role.

Everybody was chuffed Jordon is back. Where the hell was he.

Basic individual errors contributed to another heavy defeat.

OK Stockport are good, Real Madrid they are NOT.

I sometimes think PP can be mulish and gave me the impression he would play the same  system that didn’t work on Boxing Day to try and prove his critics wrong

Well Phil you basically got it wrong ..

Moult I fear is finding this league difficult and is struggling to keep up

Nobody up top to hold the ball up ! ! Because the man who can do that job was sat on the bench.

Pringle should have been on at least at half time.

Play our passing game we are good when we do that.

Stockport did a Job on Colclough and stopped him playing.

Dan Mooney like Colough hardly got much out of the game.

Yeah we scored, mainly down to Stockport taking it easy.

Very disappointing, we always seem to Cock up when we have a fantastic crowd in.

Those of us who are Old enough remember the year when we drew about 19 games and went down.

Draws are no good now, we need wins or else we will slide down the league again..

Tonight did prove that the gap between Alty and the Stockports  of this  league are massive.

We have a very long way to go on and off the field to get anywhere close I’m afraid.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Hugh on January 12, 2022, 12:59:54 AM
I remember Northwich Victoria mocking our 10 game drawing run back when there was only one of them. Those were the days.

Apart from any issues I don't know about, I suspect he may have been trying to rotate players, possibly with an eye to more winnable games in the coming weeks, and possibly considering the lack of full match fitness of some players.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 12, 2022, 02:33:28 AM


I believe that Jordan Hulme 'tweaked his groin' during the warm-up.

Perhaps he may have made an appearance if, say, we had merely been 1-0 down with 15-20 minutes to go but the game was well and truly up for us long before then.

I suspect that most of us feared the worst as soon as we saw the Alty teamsheet, which was tantamount to being a white flag.

And playing Mullarkey in some sort of bizarre midfield role was utterly bewildering.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2022, 07:42:20 AM
As soon as saw the team sheet my pre match optimism waned somewhat.
Why split the centre back pairing and place Toby in Midfield.

Why wasn’t Furman playing in the defensive midfield role.

Everybody was chuffed Jordon is back. Where the hell was he.

Basic individual errors contributed to another heavy defeat.

OK Stockport are good, Real Madrid they are NOT.

I sometimes think PP can be mulish and gave me the impression he would play the same  system that didn’t work on Boxing Day to try and prove his critics wrong

Well Phil you basically got it wrong ..

Moult I fear is finding this league difficult and is struggling to keep up

Nobody up top to hold the ball up ! ! Because the man who can do that job was sat on the bench.

Pringle should have been on at least at half time.

Play our passing game we are good when we do that.

Stockport did a Job on Colclough and stopped him playing.

Dan Mooney like Colough hardly got much out of the game.

Yeah we scored, mainly down to Stockport taking it easy.

Very disappointing, we always seem to Cock up when we have a fantastic crowd in.

Those of us who are Old enough remember the year when we drew about 19 games and went down.

Draws are no good now, we need wins or else we will slide down the league again..

Tonight did prove that the gap between Alty and the Stockports  of this  league are massive.

We have a very long way to go on and off the field to get anywhere close I’m afraid.

Yeah agree with you. Think Phil can be stubborn at times with players and formations and in the past it hasn't worked out well.

He chose the wrong formation last night. It did feel like we had surrendered before a ball was kicked.

Even if Hulme tweaked his groin, he still could have had a four of Colclough, Mooney, Pringle and Leitch-Smith/Hancock and given it a good go.

He got it badly wrong, I honestly think we would have conceded last than 9 goals against county with less defenders on the pitch. You simply invite pressure with a back 5.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 12, 2022, 08:26:30 AM
If it's true that he lost Hulme in the warmup then that's unfortunate of course - but it sounds like he opted to change the entire setup instead of simply putting Leitch-Smith in from the start, or moving Hancock up and bringing someone else into the midfield which would have made more sense.

I agree with most of the original post with the exception of Dan Mooney - as frustrating as he can be with his end product at times (hence why he plays in the National League and not the Football League), it's no surprise we have a good record with him in the side. If he's available and fit, he starts.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: robininstockport on January 12, 2022, 09:01:31 AM
Don't team sheets go in before the warm up?
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Alty Dave on January 12, 2022, 09:12:50 AM
Don't team sheets go in before the warm up?
Yep, team was out before they warmed up. Jordan said they knew the lineup the night before on Pastries.

He moved Mallarkey to man mark is it sarsaveic in my opinion, what a failure. Moult was also trying to mark someone, but failed.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: robininstockport on January 12, 2022, 09:13:58 AM
Yes I agree about Mullarkeys role
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Seth on January 12, 2022, 09:43:23 AM
Very frustrating when it feels like we're not learning from past mistakes. We should have won on Saturday but I tried to be positive as it looked like improvements were being made. Then last night, same old sh*t.

Yes Stockport are a good team but that second goal was inexcusable.

Digie looks like there could be a good player in there but he's too unreliable, his communication seems poor. Too many times you see him trying to head the ball with another player.

The cracks are starting to appear.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on January 12, 2022, 09:50:58 AM
I thought Digie was okay last night.

He may look a bit "all arms and legs" but he does what you probably want a CB to do at times I.e. heads it and kicks it, not trying to do summat he can't

Overall poor selection, poor tactics.

Players in wrong places being asked to do things they probably can't do.

PP has been very well supported by the Club in the transfer market but too many of his recent acquisitions haven't worked and he remains  for me, far too stubborn in terms of system.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: cheshire cat on January 12, 2022, 10:00:43 AM
I thought Digie was OK too. He managed to make contact with the ball when he wasn't favourite in my eyes.
Leitch-Smith put some effort in albeit with the game already beyond us.

It will be interesting to see the "highlights". Far too much heading and giving the ball away for my liking.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: RobskiRobin on January 12, 2022, 10:37:06 AM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: distancetraveller on January 12, 2022, 10:44:30 AM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Salfordalty on January 12, 2022, 10:52:37 AM
Not sure what we were trying to do last night. I couldn't see a plan and once they scored our heads went down and we looked out of ideas.

We are creeping towards a relegation battle here if not already in it. Something has to change very soon.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 12, 2022, 10:55:22 AM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

In fairness to Parkinson, most managers will go for former players, especially when things aren't going well. Liam Watson had the same numbers for 10 years, Chester managers relied on certain players.

The recruitment for me isn't the issue, other than Porter, it's that we tinkered too much after covid games.

Go back to our 4 2 3 1, pick Furman or Pringle untill Marriot is back.

Be positive Phil, play our quick passing, front foot game. Stop being scared.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Alty Bri on January 12, 2022, 10:59:29 AM
Digie wins everything in the air and this of course is a great asset. When the ball is at his feet however, I close my eyes and pray.

We need a tall centre back who is good on the ball. This is another reason why the decision to stick Toby in midfield was ridiculous.

Collar would never have made such ground for the second goal had we a proper hard defensive midfielder. Jake has been brilliant for us, but he is finding the pace very difficult now.

There must be a proper hard nut out there in the league, who can't get into their squad at the moment and wouldn't mind a month or two in ours.



Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 12, 2022, 11:06:51 AM
I'm sorry but I'm also in the somewhat negative camp with Digie. For me, I fear 'he was decent' is just any game he won't be making a grave error which he always looks moments away from doing - maybe I'm being harsh.

I haven't taken a look at our record with him in the side, but I doubt it'll make for pleasant reading; "all arms and legs" makes everyone else around him nervous, technically he's not a very good footballer - and at NL level the game has moved beyond simply getting your head and foot in - look at the likes of Steve McNulty, for his portly size he was also decent with the ball at his feet.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 12, 2022, 11:14:05 AM
I'm sorry but I'm also in the somewhat negative camp with Digie. For me, I fear 'he was decent' is just any game he won't be making a grave error which he always looks moments away from doing - maybe I'm being harsh.

I haven't taken a look at our record with him in the side, but I doubt it'll make for pleasant reading; "all arms and legs" makes everyone else around him nervous, technically he's not a very good footballer - and at NL level the game has moved beyond simply getting your head and foot in - look at the likes of Steve McNulty, for his portly size he was also decent with the ball at his feet.

As I've said stats don't lie; Porter co-incided with our poor run, Gould yet to conceed less than 2 a game for us, Digie's open 2.5 games was leaking goals.

I was worried when he couldn't get in at Hereford.

Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on January 12, 2022, 11:46:30 AM
Just to contextualise my comments about Digie being a head it and kick it sort of CB

I know that you need your players to be able to play but there are times when trying to play is the last thing you want them to do.

Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 12, 2022, 12:22:40 PM
Just to contextualise my comments about Digie being a head it and kick it sort of CB

I know that you need your players to be able to play but there are times when trying to play is the last thing you want them to do.

I take your point, but the 'hoofball" tactic belongs to the 7th tier of the pyramid, and we're in the 5th. Too often the ball will come straight back at us.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 12, 2022, 01:25:18 PM
Just to contextualise my comments about Digie being a head it and kick it sort of CB

I know that you need your players to be able to play but there are times when trying to play is the last thing you want them to do.

Just too erratic for me.
Hannigan is a ball winner so you need someone calmer, ball player alongside him.
Toby has all the potential but like most he seems low on confidence.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: andrewflynn on January 12, 2022, 01:35:58 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: andrewflynn on January 12, 2022, 01:54:47 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman


It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

Don't agree with this I'm afraid.

Thompson
Senior
Colclough
Kosylo
Hampson
Jones
Smith
Mooney
Hulme
Poole
Durrell
Ceesay

Some of our best additions don't fit your criteria.

Sure there was an influx from his Nantwich squad in 2017/18, but why wouldn't there have been? It worked out pretty well. We added a couple more over time but again, why wouldn't a manager bring in a player he knows, if he thinks he's up to the task? At the end of the day it's gotten us to where we are and for that reason we shouldn't have anything but praise for the approach.

That said, it does seem that we are at a bit of a recruitment crossroads now - but the addition of Marriott is a good indication of what we're probably looking to do long term.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: RobskiRobin on January 12, 2022, 02:06:19 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman


It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

Don't agree with this I'm afraid.

Thompson
Senior
Colclough
Kosylo
Hampson
Jones
Smith
Mooney
Hulme
Poole
Durrell
Ceesay

Some of our best additions don't fit your criteria.

Sure there was an influx from his Nantwich squad in 2017/18, but why wouldn't there have been? It worked out pretty well. We added a couple more over time but again, why wouldn't a manager bring in a player he knows, if he thinks he's up to the task? At the end of the day it's gotten us to where we are and for that reason we shouldn't have anything but praise for the approach.

That said, it does seem that we are at a bit of a recruitment crossroads now - but the addition of Marriott is a good indication of what we're probably looking to do long term.

I was actually talking about this season though, hence all the players I mentioned. His recruitment had been first class up until promotion, but I feel after eighteen months at this level we’re no closer to having a different recruitment strategy.

Yes managers will always have players that have done well for them elsewhere and yes they’ll have players who follow them from club to club but ultimately, if he continues with players he knows, that well will soon run dry.

And let’s be right here, he got the cast offs from Salford when they went full time, the likes of Jordan, Poolie and JJ all came together as mates.

PP is a bonafide legend, the football we’ve played over the last five years has been brilliant to watch, but it’s the here and now that I’m bothered about.

There’s always a reason, and for me, that’s the recruitment that has been wrong over the last two seasons.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Toff Apple on January 12, 2022, 04:43:47 PM
For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: distancetraveller on January 12, 2022, 05:10:00 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

Well, he won’t be best pleased with my write-up 😁
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Hugh on January 12, 2022, 07:07:52 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 12, 2022, 07:35:05 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.



All managers profess that they never read fan forums but we all know that they actually do.

It's like actors who claim that they never read their own reviews.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 12, 2022, 07:41:45 PM

I'm sorry but I'm also in the somewhat negative camp with Digie. For me, I fear 'he was decent' is just any game he won't be making a grave error which he always looks moments away from doing - maybe I'm being harsh.

I haven't taken a look at our record with him in the side, but I doubt it'll make for pleasant reading; "all arms and legs" makes everyone else around him nervous, technically he's not a very good footballer - and at NL level the game has moved beyond simply getting your head and foot in - look at the likes of Steve McNulty, for his portly size he was also decent with the ball at his feet.



Spot on with that assessment.

At present, Digie reminds me of John Cyrus: occasional flashes of ability but you just know that a costly blunder is merely an instant away - as demonstrated by his slapdash pass last evening which paved the way for the penalty that led to County's third goal.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 12, 2022, 07:59:18 PM

For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over



We've not won a home game since 9th October and have contrived to lose seven of our eight fixtures at the J Davidson Stadium in all competitions since then, so I understand why your nerves are jangling.

However, notwithstanding our current abject sequence of results, I still think that we will be OK, largely down to the deficiencies of both Weymouth and King's Lynn.

Mind you, if Weymouth's new manager duly sparks a revival in their fortunes and we suffer a defeat in Norfolk on 25th January, I may have to resort to increased levels of therapy or attending a BYOB party in Downing Street.

   
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Sarf London Alty on January 12, 2022, 08:06:31 PM
For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over

This absolutely. The Conference North is such a hard league to get out of now, and it undoubtedly would be a complete disaster for our plans off the pitch if we went down. Parky is still the man for me to turn it round but we simply must start winning games this month. We can’t rely for the rest of the season on Weymouth & Kings Lynn losing every week.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: distancetraveller on January 12, 2022, 08:08:03 PM

For me I'm just nervous.  In my opinion we have been given such a fantastic chance to establish ourselves and stay in this league or better for years to come.  If we were to just scuff the odd point here or there we could find ourselves in a relegation battle.  If we went down I think it would be years before we returned.  Chorley, brackley, fylde, chester, kidderminster.  The league below has plenty of quality or potential quality teams.  Perhaps it was injuries or bad luck but it just didnt look right straight away last night, and it didnt look like getting any better.  I could not see us getting back into the game, was praying just to be 1 down by half time to change it, when the 2nd went in, it was game over



We've not won a home game since 9th October and have contrived to lose seven of our eight fixtures at the J Davidson Stadium in all competitions since then, so I understand why your nerves are jangling.

However, notwithstanding our current abject sequence of results, I still think that we will be OK, largely down to the deficiencies of both Weymouth and King's Lynn.

Mind you, if Weymouth's new manager duly sparks a revival in their fortunes and we suffer a defeat in Norfolk on 25th January, I may have to resort to increased levels of therapy or attending a BYOB party in Downing Street.

   

You are not a big enough Buffoon to get an invite off Boris, Cult 😉
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 12, 2022, 08:47:39 PM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman

It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

I shouldn’t think PP come anywhere near this forum. Good times or Bad

He definitely does.

I seem to remember catching Graham Heathcote scanning the forum once so I wouldn't be surprised.

Been a few comments by a few certain posters directly. Mentioned in interviews, so.hes definitely seeing bits if he's not reading himself.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on January 13, 2022, 12:21:04 AM
Just to contextualise my comments about Digie being a head it and kick it sort of CB

I know that you need your players to be able to play but there are times when trying to play is the last thing you want them to do.

I take your point, but the 'hoofball" tactic belongs to the 7th tier of the pyramid, and we're in the 5th. Too often the ball will come straight back at us.

I get your point

However, in my defence,  Man City and Liverpool , widely considered to be "great" footballing sides, both have defenders willing and able to launch the sphere into the next county when the need arises
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: AltyTunnelSteward on January 13, 2022, 12:23:45 AM
Stubborn seems to be a word used quite a lot recently in relation to PP. I get the impression he reads this forum and takes very little onboard of the opinions of the supporters, which by the way, I have zero problem with. The problem I do have is that the opinions expressed on here and around the ground all seem to be one and the same, and that’s play your flipping players in their correct positions in a formation that they’re all understanding of!

My second issue seems to be that his recruitment is based on three things -

1- Played for Nantwich, a la Morgan, Mullarkey
2- Played for him previously - White, Hancock, Hulme, Osborne
3- A miles past his best journeyman - LS, Pringle, Furman


It’s like sentiment plays a massive part in his ability to want to retain players or re-sign players who he already knows. Look how offering EVERYONE new two year deals after promotion.

I might be in a minority here but it feels like PP is stuck in a rut after being here for so long, and he’s just hoping things turn without any real plan.

Don't agree with this I'm afraid.

Thompson
Senior
Colclough
Kosylo
Hampson
Jones
Smith
Mooney
Hulme
Poole
Durrell
Ceesay

Some of our best additions don't fit your criteria.

Sure there was an influx from his Nantwich squad in 2017/18, but why wouldn't there have been? It worked out pretty well. We added a couple more over time but again, why wouldn't a manager bring in a player he knows, if he thinks he's up to the task? At the end of the day it's gotten us to where we are and for that reason we shouldn't have anything but praise for the approach.

That said, it does seem that we are at a bit of a recruitment crossroads now - but the addition of Marriott is a good indication of what we're probably looking to do long term.

I would take Cockerline as a medium teen project
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 13, 2022, 12:18:00 PM
Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: andrewflynn on January 13, 2022, 02:24:23 PM
Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.

Macauley Southam-Hales will do that to the best left backs in the league, let alone Andy White. I thought White played superbly at Barnet with Kosylo in front of him. You're not getting that same protection with Colclough.

I agree we have to try Pringle from the start but my word of warning would be that we've done this before and he's been a complete no show. I fear he won't be the saviour some seem to be expecting. Blows very hot and cold depending upon whether the game seems to suit him, hence his effectiveness from the bench when the opposition are tired and we are chasing the game.

Like I say though, completely agree that he needs to start on Saturday.

So that means he'll probably just not be in the squad!  :D
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 13, 2022, 03:18:47 PM
Just watched the highlights.
 
I left with 20 mins to go on Tuesday but we were much better with a No.10 and bloody striker on the pitch.

The Pringle ball through to Hancock also shows his quality that we need in the side as No.10.

The Alty TV shows how much White was exposed and easily beaten on the night. Digie still looked dodgy on the footage so my eye's are still fine.

Need a positive selection on Saturday.

Macauley Southam-Hales will do that to the best left backs in the league, let alone Andy White. I thought White played superbly at Barnet with Kosylo in front of him. You're not getting that same protection with Colclough.

I agree we have to try Pringle from the start but my word of warning would be that we've done this before and he's been a complete no show. I fear he won't be the saviour some seem to be expecting. Blows very hot and cold depending upon whether the game seems to suit him, hence his effectiveness from the bench when the opposition are tired and we are chasing the game.

Like I say though, completely agree that he needs to start on Saturday.

So that means he'll probably just not be in the squad!  :D

Would start Pringle as a 10 and not CM.

I think PP fears him not getting stuck in as CM, which is maybe right.

Hancock isn't playing great and Pringle has the vision and quality to play that position.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: cheshire cat on January 13, 2022, 04:57:47 PM
I have faith in Andy White but he wasn't at his best on Tuesday. He looked a little ring rusty and as others have said wasn't getting much support. He needs to bed in again.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on January 13, 2022, 08:16:41 PM
If Hulme plays, then Hancock must. It's a natural combination.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 13, 2022, 08:26:01 PM
If Hulme plays, then Hancock must. It's a natural combination.

Pringle has earned his chance imho but Hancock could come on as a sub if it's not working.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: MarpleAlty on January 14, 2022, 08:11:18 AM
The front four imo has to be: Colclough / Kosylo / Mooney / Hulme.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Alty Bri on January 14, 2022, 09:12:06 AM
Unless he moves one of them to the number 10 role, I can't see both Osbourne and Pringle starting I'm afraid.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Saughall Robin on January 14, 2022, 09:13:56 AM
Unless he moves one of them to the number 10 role, I can't see both Osbourne and Pringle starting I'm afraid.

I think it's being proposed Pringle at 10.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Alty Bri on January 14, 2022, 09:45:56 AM
I just can't see PP starting Pringle at 10; it'd be hugely out of character for him to do that.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: HashtagAlty on January 14, 2022, 10:53:39 AM
Have we had an update on Marriot?
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Salfordalty on January 14, 2022, 11:11:55 AM
I just can't see PP starting Pringle at 10; it'd be hugely out of character for him to do that.

Classy skillful player but needs room to play a lot of the time. I don't see him starting at 10 ahead of Hanks or Kosylo although on recent performances he deserves at least a chance.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: Leon on January 14, 2022, 11:23:40 AM
Not convinced at all that Pringle is a good fit at No. 10. He played there against Southend and was subbed at half time. You need to be able to play on the half-turn at No. 10 but Pringle does all his best work coming on to the ball from deeper.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: oneedham on January 22, 2022, 09:42:36 PM
Digie still awful.
Hancock does not deserve to start.
Think Stockport played Osborne as No.10 as I don't think he gets around the pitch that well but so hard with Jake, who is now far too slow for the standard.
If we start Moult we need energy and legs next to him. Only CM that has that energy is Marriott.
Need to give Pringle or Osborne the no.10 position.
Really miss Kossy over Mooney.
Our defence and CM looked bloody awful today.
Title: Re: He is getting it so wrong
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on January 23, 2022, 06:40:09 PM

Alas, the dispiriting statistics continue to mount up:
 
 * only one win in our last 19 fixtures (and that was against a Weymouth team who played with 10 men from the 23rd minute onwards);

* yesterday comprised our seventh consecutive home defeat;

* we now have the third worst defensive record in the league;

* we haven't kept a clean sheet since the home match versus Maidenhead United way back on Saturday, 9th October (just how promising the season was looking at that juncture!).

I acknowledge that Parkinson has accumulated a credit reserve, however he shouldn't be immune from scrutiny by the board of directors whilst this slump persists.