www.altyfans.co.uk
General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Hugh on December 15, 2021, 08:25:30 PM
-
Allegedly. If this is true, it raises a number of questions, but first and foremost, is there any clarification yet of whether this will affect us at all?
And have we made our plans for the Wrexham and Stockport games yet? At the moment, I am assuming that, one way or another, there will be hoops to jump through to attend, and therefore, as things stand, I do not intend to try. Hopefully things will be more or less back to normal after that, though I am not banking on it by any means.
-
Barrow reduced theirs to 3999 for tonight's FA Cup game v Ipswich
-
Given the projections for infections I can't see things improving for entertainment venues improving before March.
I can't see us getting close to 4000 once Wrexham and Stockport are out of the way but it's going to be a headache for a lot of clubs
-
Allegedly. If this is true, it raises a number of questions, but first and foremost, is there any clarification yet of whether this will affect us at all?
And have we made our plans for the Wrexham and Stockport games yet? At the moment, I am assuming that, one way or another, there will be hoops to jump through to attend, and therefore, as things stand, I do not intend to try. Hopefully things will be more or less back to normal after that, though I am not banking on it by any means.
Regarding Carlisle’s capacity cut, I think we can safely say that this won’t affect us.
-
A bigger worry will be holding Omicron at bay as far as the team is concerned. Timperley currently has the highest density of Omicron in England.
As of last nights figures it was 13% of the population (in Timperley Ward) and it's supposed to double every two to three days. The rest of the country will follow.
Sadly, I think putting a team out will be difficult by Christmas. I hope I'm wrong.
-
A bigger worry will be holding Omicron at bay as far as the team is concerned. Timperley currently has the highest density of Omicron in England.
As of last nights figures it was 13% of the population (in Timperley Ward) and it's supposed to double every two to three days. The rest of the country will follow.
Sadly, I think putting a team out will be difficult by Christmas. I hope I'm wrong.
You, like many others, are being misled by the Government's rather scary method of quoting figures. Timperley has 1,316 cases per 100,000 people. The population is less than 12,000 so divide 1,316 by 8.5 and there are actually about 155 cases
That's worrying enough, but nowhere near as bad as you thought !
-
A bigger worry will be holding Omicron at bay as far as the team is concerned. Timperley currently has the highest density of Omicron in England.
As of last nights figures it was 13% of the population (in Timperley Ward) and it's supposed to double every two to three days. The rest of the country will follow.
Sadly, I think putting a team out will be difficult by Christmas. I hope I'm wrong.
Who are these people, and what is their vax status? My money is plenty of them being children with a sniffle, the un vaxed who are in a worse way and very few 'break through cases'.
-
Hugh is gonna love this part of my response...
Omicron is not as dangerous as the other variants, it's far more virulent than the others. It's effects are so far showing to be far less damaging, and less deadly. Brilliant news for everyone this.
He's gonna hate this next part though... because it involves scientific method.
We need to observe the effects over a larger timeframe to confirm the initial findings are correct. So we need to increase some of the measures in order to protect the vulnerable while we ascertain this. Also there is always the risk that it could evolve again as it is extremely contagious, which could bring about the humanity ender (not hyperbole, a real potential outcome).
Vaccine passports are an infringement on human rights, sure, but they are less of an infringement than being locked in our homes for an indefinite period.
The real answer though is masks... if we all just wore a face mask when in public we'd be reducing transmission by 75%... that way you can get vaccinated or not, you've just used a piece of fabric to reduce your risk to similar levels as a vaccine.
Problem is that the previously anti mask types are now anti vaxers and, well, that's where the stupidity really starts.
Another simple solution, vaccinated people are not charged for their burden on the system in the case that they fall ill after being vaccinated. Non-vaccinated end up with a positive test and medical issues, they have to pay for their healthcare. Then the world is free to make a choice, if you dismiss the dangers of coronavirus you are free to gamble with your bank account.
Authoritarian? Yes
Put an end to all the complaints against vaccines and regulations? Absolutely
One thing it does show is there is no winning with this situation. However at this point Darwinism is becoming my favourite option.
Anyway, on the subject of Altrincham FC, we're not going to need to worry about reducing capacity. We're going to need to worry about having any games to play at all currently... Although I'm pretty sure we've not discussed the need for a winter break in a while.
-
If you think masks cut transmission by 75% then god help your science.
-
A bigger worry will be holding Omicron at bay as far as the team is concerned. Timperley currently has the highest density of Omicron in England.
As of last nights figures it was 13% of the population (in Timperley Ward) and it's supposed to double every two to three days. The rest of the country will follow.
Sadly, I think putting a team out will be difficult by Christmas. I hope I'm wrong.
You, like many others, are being misled by the Government's rather scary method of quoting figures. Timperley has 1,316 cases per 100,000 people. The population is less than 12,000 so divide 1,316 by 8.5 and there are actually about 155 cases
That's worrying enough, but nowhere near as bad as you thought !
I don't think I'm being misled by anyone. 13% is 13%. The figure is for Timperley South which had 101 cases for the week 7th - 13 Dec.
If Omicron make up half of those cases (50) and the numbers are doubling every 2.5 days that means today (16th) there will be 100 Omicron cases plus quite a few of the Delta cases still running plus some new Delta cases
By Sunday it will be 200 cases of Omicron + whatever Delta is left
That's a four fold increase in Omicron in a week. Probably not too bad by Boxing Day but the spike is going to be huge especially if you remember that it takes a couple of weeks for the booster to have an effect. January is going to be interesting. I don't think anyone is cancelling their Christmas plans
The symptoms may be non-existent or mild but at the moment if you test positive the government is insisting on isolation for ten days so I think there will be some effect on the team before too long. Assuming they are testing regularly even nonsymptomatic cases will be picked up.
-
If you think masks cut transmission by 75% then god help your science.
Science doesn't need the help of God.
You are also right, it's probably higher than 75% in a situation where all are masked with the optimal level of protection (N95).
If a simple cloth mask has 50% effectiveness in reducing transmission and if there are two people wearing masks they are are providing theirselves 75% effectiveness in reducing transmission.
Here, a nice friendly YouTube video that explains it a little https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y47t9qLc9I4
N95 has been found to have a higher than 50% effectiveness rate, seen as high as 95% effective in stopping transmission of covid sized particles. How? Multi layered, electro statically charged particles and other pieces of fantastic scientific discovery humanity has made. I've got another video for you on that here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAdanPfQdCA
Here are some links to peer reviewed sources with a variety of positive outcomes to this sentiment. No outrageous headlines, no conjecture, just the results of actual experiments and aggregation from multiple data sources to draw a conclusion with.
https://www.epa.gov/sciencematters/epa-researchers-test-effectiveness-face-masks-disinfection-methods-against-covid-19
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/masking-science-sars-cov2.html
Not enough info? In the CDC article there are 90 citations of independent studies performed worldwide that corroborate this information and provide further reading.
But yeah, it's clear at this point I'm just pulling these numbers from nowhere and the government is just the Illuminati and had a hand in creating a virus that is capable of spreading with ease and killing for fun.
Anyway, back to my earlier point, winter break? good idea or not?
-
i dont know what level of protection my triple layered mask gives,but i will continue to wear it.
-
By all means wear an FFP2 or 3 mask to protect yourself.
Anything else is pure theatre and the reports are not real world ones.
If you can take a step back and think to yourself that the virus is really dangerous but yet you will put your faith in a loose crappy mask then fill your boots Dr Love.
-
One person quotes scientific research and submits their sources, other people reply by just saying ‘nah’.
I’ll believe the doctors thanks. Pretty sure they’re in the know. Hugh and other people like their little delves into conspiracy nonsense, which is fine, until it gets to a point where it’s actually leading to people becoming ill, or potentially dying, because Jeremy Corbyn’s dad said that masks are for Nazis. Embarrassing to see that sh*te spewed on this forum. Shameful.
-
"Vaccine passports are an infringement on human rights, sure, but they are less of an infringement than being locked in our homes for an indefinite period"...……...Hmmm.....getting sent to prison for a murder you did not commit is less of an infringement than being hung for it.
"vaccinated people are not charged for their burden on the system in the case that they fall ill after being vaccinated"...……..Could also charge people who smoke, have a BMI of 25+ or who get injured whilst playing sport to make sure they pay for their burden on the system also
::) ::)
-
If you think masks cut transmission by 75% then god help your science.
I'll wait until you provide a link to your peer reviewed evidence. Until then, I'll assume that you haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about.
And btw, quoting something you've read on F'book/Twitter doesn't count as evidence.
-
But Facebook is where there real scientists go though!
Masks protect other people. If you don’t wear one, you’re being a selfish tool (unless, of course, there is a MEDICAL reason why you can’t wear one).
Such a moronic view to care about a little discomfort compared to potentially not harming those around you.
Incidentally my dad and his three mates aren’t going to Moss Lane because they’ve been on this forum and now think the club is overrun by covidiots. Presumably there’s more people out there giving the games a miss for the same reason. Losing the club money when they desperately need it for repairs, all because some clowns that have been on YouTube for 20 mins suddenly think they’re doctors. Absolute trash.
-
When I went to school 1,316 per 100,000 equalled 1.316%. Perhaps I should surrender my Maths O Level.
-
Incidentally my dad and his three mates aren’t going to Moss Lane because they’ve been on this forum and now think the club is overrun by covidiots. Presumably there’s more people out there giving the games a miss for the same reason. Losing the club money when they desperately need it for repairs, all because some clowns that have been on YouTube for 20 mins suddenly think they’re doctors. Absolute trash.
Exactly why i've been responding to the posts from Hugh recently... it's been harmless bollocks until recently, but it's become out of control.
I'm just not going to stand for it to over run in to pure malicious mis information.
-
It’s like a cartoon. I never thought people could be that stupid and selfish in real life. Ah well, all that matters is them thinking that they’re better than us sheeple. Doesn’t matter who they harm or what it does to the club they claim to love.
Good for them!
-
I believe everyone is entitled to their opinion no matter how informed or deluded they might be. Disagreement over views to do with covid don't solve anything and only result in angry posts between people who will never be persuaded to change their views.
I'll be much happier when we all get back to talking about Alty and football in general.
-
I couldn’t agree more. Sadly there’s a contingent on here that’s determined to dredge it up every chance they get. I think we know who that is, and I’m sure they enjoy the notoriety, but at this level it is harmful and can’t be ignored. What happened to having their own little thread where they can bleat on about their fairytales without infecting the rest of the board with it?
People have lost loved ones. Of course they’re going to be angry when they see this.
-
Yes, Rolf, I'd forgotten about the other thread on the forum for this stuff. It really should be limited to there so we can choose whether to get involved with it or not.
Can the mods make a pronouncement on that, I wonder?
-
When I went to school 1,316 per 100,000 equalled 1.316%. Perhaps I should surrender my Maths O Level.
Sorry, you're right! I looked at the figures several times too. Good job you quit at O'level. I've got A level :)
I'm out by a factor of ten so if it doubles every 2.5 days 1.3, 2.6, 5.2, 10.4 it will take another 10 days or so to get to where I thought it was. Lets call it two weeks.
At that point 1 in 8 people on average will be positive. How big is the squad?
-
When I went to school 1,316 per 100,000 equalled 1.316%. Perhaps I should surrender my Maths O Level.
Sorry, you're right! I looked at the figures several times too. Good job you quit at O'level. I've got A level :)
I'm out by a factor of ten so if it doubles every 2.5 days 1.3, 2.6, 5.2, 10.4 it will take another 10 days or so to get to where I thought it was. Lets call it two weeks.
At that point 1 in 8 people on average will be positive. How big is the squad?
By which time we may know more about how Ill people get with omicron. The scientists are good at that.
-
When I went to school 1,316 per 100,000 equalled 1.316%. Perhaps I should surrender my Maths O Level.
Sorry, you're right! I looked at the figures several times too. Good job you quit at O'level. I've got A level :)
I'm out by a factor of ten so if it doubles every 2.5 days 1.3, 2.6, 5.2, 10.4 it will take another 10 days or so to get to where I thought it was. Lets call it two weeks.
At that point 1 in 8 people on average will be positive. How big is the squad?
By which time we may know more about how Ill people get with omicron. The scientists are good at that.
Yes, big hope is it won't affect many badly. Until that is proven we are stuck with the cautious approach of isolating if you've got it or if you haven't been vaccinated and you come into contact with someone who has it.
It's a personal choice but I wonder how many of the players haven't been vaccinated? One case could cause big ripples as I'm sure is the case elsewhere.
-
When I went to school 1,316 per 100,000 equalled 1.316%. Perhaps I should surrender my Maths O Level.
Sorry, you're right! I looked at the figures several times too. Good job you quit at O'level. I've got A level :)
I'm out by a factor of ten so if it doubles every 2.5 days 1.3, 2.6, 5.2, 10.4 it will take another 10 days or so to get to where I thought it was. Lets call it two weeks.
At that point 1 in 8 people on average will be positive. How big is the squad?
By which time we may know more about how Ill people get with omicron. The scientists are good at that.
Yes, big hope is it won't affect many badly. Until that is proven we are stuck with the cautious approach of isolating if you've got it or if you haven't been vaccinated and you come into contact with someone who has it.
It's a personal choice but I wonder how many of the players haven't been vaccinated? One case could cause big ripples as I'm sure is the case elsewhere.
It doesn't exactly answer your question, but the EFL announced today that 25% of players do not intend to get vaccinated, although these were figures taken in November, so the recent growth in the Omicron variant may have affected this.
There do seem to be good grounds for hope that Omicron has little serious effect on the large majority of people who are infected, although that could still mean a sizeable number of people do suffer given its escalating growth.
-
But Facebook is where there real scientists go though!
Masks protect other people. If you don’t wear one, you’re being a selfish tool (unless, of course, there is a MEDICAL reason why you can’t wear one).
Such a moronic view to care about a little discomfort compared to potentially not harming those around you.
Incidentally my dad and his three mates aren’t going to Moss Lane because they’ve been on this forum and now think the club is overrun by covidiots. Presumably there’s more people out there giving the games a miss for the same reason. Losing the club money when they desperately need it for repairs, all because some clowns that have been on YouTube for 20 mins suddenly think they’re doctors. Absolute trash.
Wow.....you are saying 4 adults are no longer coming to games because they have decided that the club is overrun by covidiots having read this forum. Now that really is a mathematical statistic to take note of.....4 or 5 on here express an opinion that disagrees with those we hear and see on the TV versus say 1500 in the ground.
-
Yeah, amazingly enough, I can only put forward what I know to be fact. I ASSUME there will be more, but certainly can’t attest to it.
People have died, people are still dying, and you’re using it as a cosplay to be smarter than actual experts. You’re making a mockery of people’s suffering, and you’re doing it on a football forum.
Shut up about your tin foil hat wearing bollocks. You’re causing actual strife to people who are f**king grieving. Get a f**king grip. This is real life. These are PEOPLE
-
Give your head a wobble, calm down and read my post.....you said people are no longer coming because they think the club is overrun with covidiots....your words. My post was on the basis that this fact (?) had been reached by reading this forum - a few views you do not agree with from at worst 4 or 5 people. The club has a few thousand supporters, so my challenge is why somebody would feel the club is now being taken over on the basis of 5 adverse posters ?
Fail to see where my post is doing any of the other outrageous things your rant accuses me of.
-
One person quotes scientific research and submits their sources, other people reply by just saying ‘nah’.
I’ll believe the doctors thanks. Pretty sure they’re in the know. Hugh and other people like their little delves into conspiracy nonsense, which is fine, until it gets to a point where it’s actually leading to people becoming ill, or potentially dying, because Jeremy Corbyn’s dad said that masks are for Nazis. Embarrassing to see that sh*te spewed on this forum. Shameful.
There is a world of facts between swallowing the company line and conspiracy.
Just like there isn't such a think as THE science.
What ever comfort blanket that makes you feel better is fine by me but don't preach to others.
-
Given the projections for infections I can't see things improving for entertainment venues improving before March.
I can't see us getting close to 4000 once Wrexham and Stockport are out of the way but it's going to be a headache for a lot of clubs
Chris Witless has said it should peak within 2 weeks - and he is always pessimistic!
-
But Facebook is where there real scientists go though!
Masks protect other people. If you don’t wear one, you’re being a selfish tool (unless, of course, there is a MEDICAL reason why you can’t wear one).
Such a moronic view to care about a little discomfort compared to potentially not harming those around you.
Incidentally my dad and his three mates aren’t going to Moss Lane because they’ve been on this forum and now think the club is overrun by covidiots. Presumably there’s more people out there giving the games a miss for the same reason. Losing the club money when they desperately need it for repairs, all because some clowns that have been on YouTube for 20 mins suddenly think they’re doctors. Absolute trash.
There is not one single peer reviewed independent report that says masks have anything nut an insignificant effect.
Meanwhile, passports have worked so well in Wales they are closing all the nightclubs - but it is so serious they are waiting til after Christmas!
-
Given the projections for infections I can't see things improving for entertainment venues improving before March.
I can't see us getting close to 4000 once Wrexham and Stockport are out of the way but it's going to be a headache for a lot of clubs
Chris Witless has said it should peak within 2 weeks - and he is always pessimistic!
Yes, I heard him say that but it takes two weeks for boosters to cause antibodies and T cells to reach peak numbers.
If it peaks in two weeks that will be good news but Covid admissions and deaths trail cases being registered.
It's still likely to be a while before the government feels confident that the NHS can cope and restrictions can be lifted.
-
Given the projections for infections I can't see things improving for entertainment venues improving before March.
I can't see us getting close to 4000 once Wrexham and Stockport are out of the way but it's going to be a headache for a lot of clubs
Chris Witless has said it should peak within 2 weeks - and he is always pessimistic!
Yes, I heard him say that but it takes two weeks for boosters to cause antibodies and T cells to reach peak numbers.
If it peaks in two weeks that will be good news but Covid admissions and deaths trail cases being registered.
It's still likely to be a while before the government feels confident that the NHS can cope and restrictions can be lifted.
Only 15 in hospital with omicron as of yesterday: I think it is far too early to panic, but that doesn't stop our government (and it is even worse up here!)