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Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459
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Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459
20,000 ? Might apply at Edgeley Park or Meadow Lane, but we're safe.
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How do you prove that? Those two bits of card with the batch details on? Hmmm. Right. Yeah.
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How do you prove that? Those two bits of card with the batch details on? Hmmm. Right. Yeah.
it's done through the app now the cards are not accepted.
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Buggered if you don't have smart phones.
Buggered if you had your jabs in Scotland as they don't give certification for this!
Amazing how the goalposts have moved on these restrictions!!!!
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Works perfectly well already in Austria…you can have an app on your phone with a QR code which can then be scanned and checked. I used mine for the first time today to enter the swimming baths.
Those who don’t have a smart phone just receive a letter with the QR code and can use that. The QR code system is being used EU wide, no reason why it can’t work in the UK too.
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Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question
Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks :)
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Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question
Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks :)
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Vaccination doesn't completely prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on, but it significantly reduces the chance of doing so, and, particularly of getting a serious or fatal case.
As an inclusive club, we should really be encouraging as many people as possible to be vaccinated, as not all can be, in order to ensure that more vulnerable supporters can be protected. I don't believe we should insist on vaccine passports, however, precisely as not everyone can be vaccinated even if they would like to be.
I really can't take anti-vaxxers seriously when hypocrites like the right wing journalist Peter Hitchens and the presenters on Fox News in the States rail against vaccines while quietly ensuring they are themselves vaccinated.
No bricks thrown. :)
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The term "Anti-vaxxers" is thrown around far too easily. I have had my vaccs, but, with the vaccine unproven (tell me the long term effects) no one should be forced or coerced into taking it - notwithstanding the international laws that breaks.
With a 99.9+% survival rate before the vaccines we are heading towards overkill. The vulnerable (I am one) have been protected as much as is possible). After all, back in January we were told we would lose restrictions once the vulnerable were jabbed - now we are jabbing the fit and healthy who have all but zero risk of even getting symptoms!
Me? I've had my jabs, but because I had them in Scotland, have no way of proving that!
Bricks?
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By the UK government statistics (I know) there have been around 129,000 deaths from 5,470,000 cases. That's around a 97.5% survival rate, while other people will have had serious and potentially long-term illnesses. It's high, but a good bit less than 99.9+%.
Sorry if you didn't like the term "anti-vaxxers" for people opposed to vaccinations, who I notice had a violent protest yesterday in London. I thought "medical apartheid" was pretty strong too.
Bricks was just a comment on Mick's last line.
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you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.
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you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.
Not in Scotland.
Meanwhile...deaths within 28 days of a positive test from testing kits condemned by the WHO, withdrawn in the USA, Portugal (depending on the kit) which means you can have recovered before dying of something else, run over by a bus, killed in a motorbike accident, fallen off a ladder (all cases I personally know of).
The 129k deaths WITH - no of - (actually a figure which has already been reduced) is over 2 years so actual excess deaths is no more that a bad flu year (ONS).
As someone of high risk I have been a keyworker throughout this and fear the effects of lockdown (est 560k deaths according to Prof Phillip Thomas, Bristol Uni who has carried out the ONLY risk assessment) and, as the vaccs reduce the risk by 90-95% for those at risk - and I am not an anti-vaxxer as I have had the vaccs - so we have done far more than the governments initially asked us to do - especially as Covid will NEVER disappear!
My advice would be if you are still scared don't go out.
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Thanks Sale for the info......agree with most of your response.
Not going to get into a lengthy debate because I think VPs will be defeated in the courts as they are discriminatory and enforce segregation at events based on vaccine status.....hence my term earlier......but just a final point.
Colleague at work, 28, had covid at Christmas (me too) and was in bed quite unwell for 4 days. It was a surprise because he is a semi-pro cage fighter and as fit as you get. A right hard ba$tard, whereas I felt a bit run down and I am nearly 55. He got his first jab and he was even worse, so he is not getting his second jab because he believes he has antibodies and does not want to risk another week off work without pay......I know you agree, but if anyone thinks this is ok, is it right he cannot attend a nightclub or possibly a RL match at Warrington or eventually visit a pub.
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Without getting into the wider debate, I agree it's all pretty academic, as I don't think they will get through Parliament, let alone the courts, and they are not currently aimed at clubs of our size, anyway, although that could change, of course.
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Get your jabs in ....😜😜Vaccination proof may be required to attend sports events of about 20,000 capacity - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/57905459
f**king great innit? bye bye freedom. 16,000 now apparently so bye bye Notts (unless it's based on crowds not capacity) unless our overlords grow a back bone
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Crazy.....you can be jabbed and still get Covid and still pass it on.....so what purpose do they serve ? Honest question
Thin end of the wedge. As an inclusive club I hope we are not supporting medical apartheid..........Dons helmet and waits for flying bricks :)
Bang on the money, and I'm seriously worried about next season - as I have been for some time.
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Vaccination doesn't completely prevent you from getting Covid or passing it on, but it significantly reduces the chance of doing so, and, particularly of getting a serious or fatal case.
As an inclusive club, we should really be encouraging as many people as possible to be vaccinated, as not all can be, in order to ensure that more vulnerable supporters can be protected. I don't believe we should insist on vaccine passports, however, precisely as not everyone can be vaccinated even if they would like to be.
I really can't take anti-vaxxers seriously when hypocrites like the right wing journalist Peter Hitchens and the presenters on Fox News in the States rail against vaccines while quietly ensuring they are themselves vaccinated.
No bricks thrown. :)
The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission, they may reduce symptoms - which would mean people would be more likely to socialise when otherwise they'd stay at home.
Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths, and quite a lot of people have died from them, but of course you won't have seen that, after all, the BBC apparently has a policy of not giving any air time to people who question them.
The rumour is that the elite get placebos
I see the politics is still alive and well so don't start, London.
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By the UK government statistics (I know) there have been around 129,000 deaths from 5,470,000 cases. That's around a 97.5% survival rate, while other people will have had serious and potentially long-term illnesses. It's high, but a good bit less than 99.9+%.
Sorry if you didn't like the term "anti-vaxxers" for people opposed to vaccinations, who I notice had a violent protest yesterday in London. I thought "medical apartheid" was pretty strong too.
Bricks was just a comment on Mick's last line.
There's no positive discrimination, just discriminaton.
129,000 deaths with, only some of these of. Only idiots think all these would still be alive without this particular bug. 68,000 excess deaths last year, deaths are below average for this year. Of course a lot may die this winter but it won't be because of the minority of people who don't get these injections (which is what they may well tell you.)
Where were you when police brutality was being used against smaller groups of protesters in London during winter, including women (apparently to provoke a reaction)? And how do you expect people to react when they are being treated like second class cirizens? 10% doesn't matter? what, reeally?
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Thanks Sale for the info......agree with most of your response.
Not going to get into a lengthy debate because I think VPs will be defeated in the courts as they are discriminatory and enforce segregation at events based on vaccine status.....hence my term earlier......but just a final point.
Colleague at work, 28, had covid at Christmas (me too) and was in bed quite unwell for 4 days. It was a surprise because he is a semi-pro cage fighter and as fit as you get. A right hard ba$tard, whereas I felt a bit run down and I am nearly 55. He got his first jab and he was even worse, so he is not getting his second jab because he believes he has antibodies and does not want to risk another week off work without pay......I know you agree, but if anyone thinks this is ok, is it right he cannot attend a nightclub or possibly a RL match at Warrington or eventually visit a pub.
Whatever the club might encourage, I would hope they would be against discrimination. 12% of adults have not had these "vaccines" with everyone offered them now, so it is likely to be millions who will not take them for love nor money, including disproportionate numbers of some minority groups. Hopefully this apartheid will be defeated.
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Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic), as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials, at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?
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Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic), as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials, at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?
Bedtime....phone....mute....end of !
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Experimental jabs, mention of the 'elite'. ::)
Never mind vaccinations Hugh, I think you're missing your tin hat. Nutter.
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Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic), as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials, at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?
In all my years on the forum, I've yet to revive a notification for this forum.
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Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic), as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials, at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?
In all my years on the forum, I've yet to revive a notification for this forum.
I didn't get any notification for the later posts, but I did for Hugh's, oddly eenough. You have to consciously turn them on for a particular post.
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Seeing as you have woken me up in the middle of the night with your notifications, where were you when former nurse Kate Shemirani called for doctors and nurses to be hung (sic), as Nazi doctors were following the Nuremburg trials, at the protest ib Trafalgar Square this weekend?
Bedtime....phone....mute....end of !
Fair point. I could sleep through one, but when four or five come in quick succession....
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
Thank you.
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I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.
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I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.
😄😄
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I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.
... and are so witty! 😉 😂😂
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you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.
Not in Scotland.
ok a slate in scotland
Meanwhile...deaths within 28 days of a positive test from testing kits condemned by the WHO, withdrawn in the USA, Portugal (depending on the kit) which means you can have recovered before dying of something else, run over by a bus, killed in a motorbike accident, fallen off a ladder (all cases I personally know of).
The 129k deaths WITH - no of - (actually a figure which has already been reduced) is over 2 years so actual excess deaths is no more that a bad flu year (ONS).
As someone of high risk I have been a keyworker throughout this and fear the effects of lockdown (est 560k deaths according to Prof Phillip Thomas, Bristol Uni who has carried out the ONLY risk assessment) and, as the vaccs reduce the risk by 90-95% for those at risk - and I am not an anti-vaxxer as I have had the vaccs - so we have done far more than the governments initially asked us to do - especially as Covid will NEVER disappear!
My advice would be if you are still scared don't go out.
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you can get a paper copy from the NHS if you do not have a smartphone by all accounts.
Not in Scotland.
ok a slate in scotland
Meanwhile...deaths within 28 days of a positive test from testing kits condemned by the WHO, withdrawn in the USA, Portugal (depending on the kit) which means you can have recovered before dying of something else, run over by a bus, killed in a motorbike accident, fallen off a ladder (all cases I personally know of).
The 129k deaths WITH - no of - (actually a figure which has already been reduced) is over 2 years so actual excess deaths is no more that a bad flu year (ONS).
As someone of high risk I have been a keyworker throughout this and fear the effects of lockdown (est 560k deaths according to Prof Phillip Thomas, Bristol Uni who has carried out the ONLY risk assessment) and, as the vaccs reduce the risk by 90-95% for those at risk - and I am not an anti-vaxxer as I have had the vaccs - so we have done far more than the governments initially asked us to do - especially as Covid will NEVER disappear!
My advice would be if you are still scared don't go out.
I asked for one! Nope!
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I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.
Take a couple of aspirin, and go and lie in a darkened room.
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I’m pretty proud to support a club where all the users of the Forum are medical professionals and definitely know what they’re all talking about.
It's called research!
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Experimental jabs, mention of the 'elite'. ::)
Never mind vaccinations Hugh, I think you're missing your tin hat. Nutter.
The "vaccines" are being administered under emergency authorisation, and the pharmaceutical companies producing them are exempt from liability. Didn't you know? And as for the elite, who do you think funds professor Neil Ferguson's Imperial College London?
Clueless.
So far as this club is concerned, I consider it inappropriate for them to get involved in the issue. And I wouldn't mention the issue (brought up by someone else, note) at all if the issue wasn't affecting football (that's 3 seasons of disruptions now).
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
Same goes for someone suggesting the club should get involved with the "vaccine" coercion. Why is it a different standard for me? Twit.
In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
I emphasise, people can make their own health decisions, and it's not an issue the club should get involved with (as someone else appeared to suggest they should - the reason I posted in the first place).
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In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
Verifiable news sources? ::) UK Column???? Seriously?
You berate the BBC (which I am also not holding up as a beacon of truth and integrity), but provide this far right wing conspiracy news source as something to be believed?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/)
I'm just off to fashion a hat from the old Tennent's Super cans in order to further promote irresponsible thinking......wibble
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Admin, any chance of another sub-forum for those who wish to read Hugh's increasingly tedious posts?
Perhaps Dr Hugh?
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It's good to see that my original tounge in cheek teasing post is still teasing away
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It's good to see that my original tounge in cheek teasing post is still teasing away
Does tounge rhyme with lounge?
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It's good to see that my original tounge in cheek teasing post is still teasing away
Does tounge rhyme with lounge?
it does and tongue rymes with thong
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
Same goes for someone suggesting the club should get involved with the "vaccine" coercion. Why is it a different standard for me? Twit.
In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
I emphasise, people can make their own health decisions, and it's not an issue the club should get involved with (as someone else appeared to suggest they should - the reason I posted in the first place).
Jeremy Vine got very uppioty when someone managed to get onto his show highlighting this information.
The caller lied to get on - saying how he changed his mind after originally being anti vaccine - and, when accused of lying, pointed out that is what the BBC have been doing.
If we truly are an inclusive club, we should let anyone in reegardless of their medical history.
Some excellent point again Hugh, speaking as someone who has had his double jab.
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Id be disappointed if the club required a double jab, however, I do feel there's no real way to canvass club opinion on many things right now.
Perhaps this is more a discussion point that wild speculation about vaccine passports
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In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
Verifiable news sources? ::) UK Column???? Seriously?
You berate the BBC (which I am also not holding up as a beacon of truth and integrity), but provide this far right wing conspiracy news source as something to be believed?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/)
I'm just off to fashion a hat from the old Tennent's Super cans in order to further promote irresponsible thinking......wibble
And you believe all these "fact checkers"? You really are clueless. Anyway, as I say, the yellow card scheme is a government backed scheme which they are simply quoting, so some "fact check" on UK column is irrelevant. Why does your BBC never mention this government backed yellow card scheme?
P.S. Fact check - they describe UK Column as "strong right wing bias". Not far right which is a bit different. Twit.
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Admin, any chance of another sub-forum for those who wish to read Hugh's increasingly tedious posts?
Perhaps Dr Hugh?
Oy, don't single me out. Sale Holmfield and others started this. I was just responding. And I'm not suggesting the club should discourage (or encourage) medication, just that they should concentrate on the football. And perhaps you should too. (I was thinking of calling for people to cite Peer(s) reviewed studies when they comment on Altrincham strikers...). I put loads of posts on the ot forum, it's other people who are bringing this on here (I've only mentioned this subject on here 15 times going back to at least April - hardly excessive).
Understand?
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
Same goes for someone suggesting the club should get involved with the "vaccine" coercion. Why is it a different standard for me? Twit.
In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
I emphasise, people can make their own health decisions, and it's not an issue the club should get involved with (as someone else appeared to suggest they should - the reason I posted in the first place).
Jeremy Vine got very uppioty when someone managed to get onto his show highlighting this information.
The caller lied to get on - saying how he changed his mind after originally being anti vaccine - and, when accused of lying, pointed out that is what the BBC have been doing.
If we truly are an inclusive club, we should let anyone in reegardless of their medical history.
Some excellent point again Hugh, speaking as someone who has had his double jab.
Fair enough, and of course, people in at risk groups may decide the benefits outweigh the risks. All I'm saying is that people should have all the information they need to make up their mind about it (which seems woefully lacking at times from where I'm standing), and that they should not be coerced (see the Nurember codes), or badgered about it when all they want to do is watch a football match.
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Got pinged after the Torquay game Saturday but double jabbed so negative after PCR TEST so get jabbed and stay safe
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1) 'The experimental gene therapy drugs don't stop transmission....'
2) 'Latest data suggests that they don't make much difference to hospitalisations and deaths'
3) '...and quite a lot of people have died from them...'
Either provide links to the peer reviewed sources you are quoting, or stop posting crank conspiracy nonsense; it's embarrassing frankly.
Same goes for someone suggesting the club should get involved with the "vaccine" coercion. Why is it a different standard for me? Twit.
In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
I emphasise, people can make their own health decisions, and it's not an issue the club should get involved with (as someone else appeared to suggest they should - the reason I posted in the first place).
Jeremy Vine got very uppioty when someone managed to get onto his show highlighting this information.
The caller lied to get on - saying how he changed his mind after originally being anti vaccine - and, when accused of lying, pointed out that is what the BBC have been doing.
If we truly are an inclusive club, we should let anyone in reegardless of their medical history.
Some excellent point again Hugh, speaking as someone who has had his double jab.
Yes I heard that call too, it was quite funny.
I was in a medical waiting room and it came on about our next caller being just the on message person they wanted about how he had seen the light! Then it turned out he was the opposite, Vine couldn't handle it and showed himself to be the ill informed mouth piece that he is.
Now don't get me wrong he was right to call out the Yellow Card stats as being not the way to measure issues with the vaccine; they are clearly just individuals logging that they felt off after having taken one. Which as Jeremy so was so keen to point out could be a co-incidence.
When challenged that this is exactly what "died of Covid" is too he couldn't see it or wouldn't see it.
In fact he wanted us to write the person off because apparently telling a fib to one of his "researchers" was a heinous crime - unbelievable Jeff!
UK Column bad, BBC bad - same sh*t different flavours.
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In the mean time, if you're really interested, I provide the following link to be going on with, which links to a page on "vaccine" adverse reactions and deaths based on MHRA Yellow Card Covid-19 adverse reaction data (i.e. official government data) - information you are unlikely to see mentioned on your BBC.
https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports (https://yellowcard.ukcolumn.org/yellow-card-reports)
Verifiable news sources? ::) UK Column???? Seriously?
You berate the BBC (which I am also not holding up as a beacon of truth and integrity), but provide this far right wing conspiracy news source as something to be believed?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/ (https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/)
I'm just off to fashion a hat from the old Tennent's Super cans in order to further promote irresponsible thinking......wibble
And you believe all these "fact checkers"? You really are clueless. Anyway, as I say, the yellow card scheme is a government backed scheme which they are simply quoting, so some "fact check" on UK column is irrelevant. Why does your BBC never mention this government backed yellow card scheme?
P.S. Fact check - they describe UK Column as "strong right wing bias". Not far right which is a bit different. Twit.
Ooh, touched a nerve did we Hugh?
Resorting to name calling is the last vestige of those on unsure ground.
Damn lies and statistics Hugh, cherry pick what suits your agenda, regardless of validity or context (see RR's post above).
As for UK Column, take a closer look at their founder/owner, Brian Gerrish, only a short step away from the looney tune that is David Icke. Back in your barrel boy, lest the lizards eyeball you.
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Alright. The point is people should be a bit careful about incendiary (and possibly libelous) comments calling people (or implying that people are) far right. (And it seems no one else is calling UK Column (whose politics are of little interest to me) far right apart from you) . And for the record, Icke (who is entitled to his opinions), is not far right either. Now perhaps you could allow other people their opinions and move on. People of many beliefs and backgrounds support - and should be welcome at - this club.
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Alright. The point is people should be a bit careful about incendiary (and possibly libelous) comments calling people (or implying that people are) far right. (And it seems no one else is calling UK Column (whose politics are of little interest to me) far right apart from you) . And for the record, Icke (who is entitled to his opinions), is not far right either. Now perhaps you could allow other people their opinions and move on. People of many beliefs and backgrounds support - and should be welcome at - this club.
Indeed!
I think the divide now is between those who want freedom and those who don't!
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Alright. The point is people should be a bit careful about incendiary (and possibly libelous) comments calling people (or implying that people are) far right. (And it seems no one else is calling UK Column (whose politics are of little interest to me) far right apart from you) . And for the record, Icke (who is entitled to his opinions), is not far right either. Now perhaps you could allow other people their opinions and move on. People of many beliefs and backgrounds support - and should be welcome at - this club.
Indeed!
I think the divide now is between those who want freedom and those who don't!
Do you want the freedom to smoke in pubs back? Or the freedom to choose whether to drive on the left or the right? Freedom, it's a sliding scale, a spectrum not a binary freedom / not freedom thing.
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Alright. The point is people should be a bit careful about incendiary (and possibly libelous) comments calling people (or implying that people are) far right. (And it seems no one else is calling UK Column (whose politics are of little interest to me) far right apart from you) . And for the record, Icke (who is entitled to his opinions), is not far right either. Now perhaps you could allow other people their opinions and move on. People of many beliefs and backgrounds support - and should be welcome at - this club.
Indeed!
I think the divide now is between those who want freedom and those who don't!
Do you want the freedom to smoke in pubs back? Or the freedom to choose whether to drive on the left or the right? Freedom, it's a sliding scale, a spectrum not a binary freedom / not freedom thing.
Freedom to choose - within INTELLIGENT constraints. I repeat: INTELLIGENT!
i live in a country where freedoms are happily taken away by our dear leader - it is not good.
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Would you prefer Afghanistan perhaps ?
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Intelligent constraints ? the law (and not religion) dictates what is legal and morally right, intelligent is a matter of discussion.
Back to the game, com'on the Robbins. 3-0 Hancock has a worldie.
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The law dictates what is morally right
An interesting view but one I suggest is utterly wrong. Morals are not set by politicians or interpreted by the courts. Morals are determined by your belief system, whether that is one you have made up for yourself or a formal religion. This could turn into an essay so I’ll stop!
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The law is based on our morals (ie the law of tort-what is morally wright or wrong) and always precedes your religion or your ideas, thank god (a bad pun sorry).
Please get back to the footy ;D
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Exactly my point! The law is based on our morals (your second post) not the law dictates what is morally right (your first post).
Meanwhile on radio robins still 0-0
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0-1 & hoping for a point.
Bath Alty you missed the point altogether. :P
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We missed all three fkg points 🤬
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0-1 & hoping for a point.
Bath Alty you missed the point altogether. :P
If you want to let Boris and his mates tell you what is morally right then I suppose that’s up to you. My morals are not dictated by the law.
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Wherever morals come from, I would tentatively suggest that that farce today wasn't morally right. I've never seen anything like it. Never again!