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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Saughall Robin on July 04, 2021, 01:06:48 PM
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So we're staying part time this season and not going hybrid until next year (if we stay up).
This explains the delay in getting people in doesn't it?
Hope we can still find someone to lead the line and score goals for us. That is essential imvho if we are to stay in this division.
What do you folks think?
PS. FWIW, If we can't afford it, then I guess we're doing the right thing.
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Oh dear.
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Where did you see this?
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Where did you see this?
From John Laidlar's Alty Files website, source the Non League Paper 🤔
"HYBRID" HIBERNATES AT ALTY
In today's NL Paper, it says that "Altrincham face 'a big challenge' after postponing a switch to full-time football.
According to the NL Paper, that was the view of Altrincham assistant manager Neil Sorvel. He and manager Phil Parkinson were "handed full-time deals... with the playing staff slated to move to a hybrid model before following suit next season.
But depressed finances and player reluctance made any change impossible, leaving Alty as one of only three fully part-time sides in the top flight of non-League football.
'After having discussions with the players, we realised that a lot of them couldn't do it' said Sorvel (pictured, left). 'And with the financial implications, the budget we've got, the fact that the majority of the lads have only got a year left on their contracts, we just decided it would be easier to do it next season [2022-23].
'Am I frustrated? Yeah, a little bit. It's a difficult sitiation. King's Lynn have jumped to full-time, so have Woking. Weymouth have gone to a hybrid model.
'That leaves just us, Wealdstone and Dover which is a big, big challenge... If we can stay up for another season then we can re-evaluate. If we are good to go hybrid after that, then that's the plan'", stated Sorvel
Nevertheless Alty are "adding extra Monday night sessions ahead of midweek games this season. 'We felt it was essential' explains Sorvel who noted that last season 'The sides in this division were full-time teams from an organisational point of view. That was a big difference... The other thing we noticed was that lots of teams would rather avoid defeat than push to win a game... It's tough to play against'" said Sorvel.
The NLP adds that "Alty will target 'one or two' young players capable of moving to a hybrid model this summer but the majority of the squad will remain in place...
'To finish top of the promoted teams was an achievement in itself... The second [season] can often be more difficult because teams know more about you. For us as a club, it's about stabilising...
'We need to stay as a National League club for a couple of seasons before we can look at anything beyond that'" concluded Sorvel.
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Cheers 👍
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So, from reading that, we can assume we'll be looking to bring in a couple of young players willing to play part time this year but aiming to go full time next year.
Let's hope at least one of them is someone to play up top. It really needs to be.
I must say, it makes Ringos departure more difficult to understand unless he plans to retire or wants more game time somewhere.
Feeling pretty downbeat at the moment. Most of the clubs who finished around us have reinforced big time so I fear this season will see us struggle.
At the moment, best case is that we can use our team spirit as a twelfth man and manage to stay up so that this time next year we can revive the plan.
In any case, we're going to need to get behind the boys more than ever!
(defiant) Come on you Supers!
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Anyone else also deem it to be somewhat strange for this significant news about the club's future to be revealed via the pages of the NLP rather than on the official club website?
A degree of embarrassment from the board after having previously announced such a pivotal transition, perhaps?
So, we remain a part-time team who now have a full-time manager.
You also get the impression that we are struggling to discard some of those players who were rather inexplicably awarded two-year contracts last summer.
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Going to be even more difficult given we'll probably be playing the first few games away with the new pitch needing some time to bed in.
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i'd take with a massive pinch of salt anything written in the NLP. can someone link me to the announcement that were going hybrid this season?
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It does seem funny that the club haven't responded to the article - I think it's probably true unfortunately.
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i'd take with a massive pinch of salt anything written in the NLP. can someone link me to the announcement that were going hybrid this season?
It was discussed quite a bit in John and Brian’s interview with Phil, Neil and Bill when the new contracts for the management team were announced:
https://www.altrinchamfc.com/news/news-conference-with-bill-waterson-phil-parkinson-neil-sorvel (https://www.altrinchamfc.com/news/news-conference-with-bill-waterson-phil-parkinson-neil-sorvel)
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Thanks for that Leon. I couldn't cite it as I'm pretty hopeless when it comes to attachments etc.
I think it's got to be accurate.
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Here's the NLP article:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ah21/towerofsong/Neil_Sorvel_-_Non_League_Paper_-_4th_July_2021(1).jpg)
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So we're staying part time this season and not going hybrid until next year (if we stay up).
This explains the delay in getting people in doesn't it?
Hope we can still find someone to lead the line and score goals for us. That is essential imvho if we are to stay in this division.
What do you folks think?
PS. FWIW, If we can't afford it, then I guess we're doing the right thing.
I hope Mr Dinanga will be a solution for the goal shortage
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Two things here:
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Very disappointed that Neil has taken the need to speak to NLP. As a seasoned footballing man, I would have thought he'd have the sense to ignore NLP sniffing a story.
Neil should have spoken to John Edwards or Brian Flynn immediately after NLP got in touch and let them handle a statement to our fans, with an exclusive agreement tfor NLP to have collum inches.
Secondly, very disappointed in the club for allowing this to occur - two year contracts of that quantity were a huge risk, to announce this long term strategy without a plan of who would be able to do it/ willing to stay PT/move on was silly, and possibly reckless, to make a huge song about Alistair and now this as hugely backfired.
A sh*t show of the highest proportions across numerous people here, and I think it highlights a few skills gap the board need.
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And thirdly, some 14-15 hours since the NLP hit the street there has not been one word on an official basis from anybody in authority at the club.
They've been quick enough to shout out the positives, but the resounding silence now reflects badly on the club.
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Anyone else also deem it to be somewhat strange for this significant news about the club's future to be revealed via the pages of the NLP rather than on the official club website?
A degree of embarrassment from the board after having previously announced such a pivotal transition, perhaps?
So, we remain a part-time team who now have a full-time manager.
You also get the impression that we are struggling to discard some of those players who were rather inexplicably awarded two-year contracts last summer.
I think that is the pertinent point - but with hindsight.
I don't think anyone thought we would have the moments of success we had last season - despite the relatively low finish compared to our high points - and that, I think, had the board bringing our hybrid progression on sooner. However, because I think the board saw last season as purely consolidation, the 2 year contracts may have been handed out for the sake of continuity. Like I say - with hindsight - an error.
My personal feeling is that hybridisation might have needed to wait another season anyway, but it will be a more difficult season to come, not least with Smith leaving.
I would also have liked to see this on our main website first.
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Could be a very long season. Mission Survival. We’ve been here before. I’ll try to think of some positives.
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According to the NLP, Neil Sorvel said “Lads have got to quit jobs........and a number of them are of an age where they aren’t going to do that...we’d have ended up with a half and half split, which isn’t ideal”
Am I missing something here? I thought that would be a typical hybrid model we would be working towards in the first year.
If that’s a stumbling block shouldn’t the players have been consulted before all this was announced? Very cavalier and very poor show from the management and/or board.
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According to the NLP, Neil Sorvel said “Lads have got to quit jobs........and a number of them are of an age where they aren’t going to do that...we’d have ended up with a half and half split, which isn’t ideal”
Am I missing something here? I thought that would be a typical hybrid model we would be working towards in the first year.
If that’s a stumbling block shouldn’t the players have been consulted before all this was announced? Very cavalier and very poor show from the management and/or board.
Indeed, I expected some lads to be working FT next season, some to be with us more days.
But really, did we not enquire who could afford/who want to go FT before we mads a national announcement.
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According to the NLP, Neil Sorvel said “Lads have got to quit jobs........and a number of them are of an age where they aren’t going to do that...we’d have ended up with a half and half split, which isn’t ideal”
Am I missing something here? I thought that would be a typical hybrid model we would be working towards in the first year.
If that’s a stumbling block shouldn’t the players have been consulted before all this was announced? Very cavalier and very poor show from the management and/or board.
I guess 'hybrid' could refer either to some of the players being full-time and some part-time or to all of the players training more than just Tuesday and Thursday nights but not as much as a full-time squad would. I assume we were hoping to move the whole squad to a fuller training schedule but their working lives won't allow it.
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According to the NLP, Neil Sorvel said “Lads have got to quit jobs........and a number of them are of an age where they aren’t going to do that...we’d have ended up with a half and half split, which isn’t ideal”
Am I missing something here? I thought that would be a typical hybrid model we would be working towards in the first year.
If that’s a stumbling block shouldn’t the players have been consulted before all this was announced? Very cavalier and very poor show from the management and/or board.
Indeed, I expected some lads to be working FT next season, some to be with us more days.
But really, did we not enquire who could afford/who want to go FT before we mads a national announcement.
I have similar thoughts hashtag, I was also wondering if phil was putting off going FT to keep more money n the coffers?
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Here's the NLP article:
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/ah21/towerofsong/Neil_Sorvel_-_Non_League_Paper_-_4th_July_2021(1).jpg)
"...but depressed fiances and player reluctance made any change impossible."
Sounds like we have a WAG problem!
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Tails wagging the dog.
Find it hard to believe that senior players, at least, weren't consulted
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Full time and hybrid have been discussed for years.
When the lads signed 2 year deal, why didn't we have foresight to add a "hybrid clause"
Sounds like some very average players have us over a barrel.
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Anyone else also deem it to be somewhat strange for this significant news about the club's future to be revealed via the pages of the NLP rather than on the official club website?
A degree of embarrassment from the board after having previously announced such a pivotal transition, perhaps?
So, we remain a part-time team who now have a full-time manager.
You also get the impression that we are struggling to discard some of those players who were rather inexplicably awarded two-year contracts last summer.
I think that is the pertinent point - but with hindsight.
I don't think anyone thought we would have the moments of success we had last season - despite the relatively low finish compared to our high points - and that, I think, had the board bringing our hybrid progression on sooner. However, because I think the board saw last season as purely consolidation, the 2 year contracts may have been handed out for the sake of continuity. Like I say - with hindsight - an error.
My personal feeling is that hybridisation might have needed to wait another season anyway, but it will be a more difficult season to come, not least with Smith leaving.
I would also have liked to see this on our main website first.
The two-year deals were not hindsight. The majority of players given 2-year deals post-Boston lacked serious game-time at this level, and worse case scenario if we did a Braintree and made the playoffs; we'd have been an attractive proposition to sign people.
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This is made all the worse as we now have full time managers who must be annoyed. But the club should have sounded out which players would be up for hybrid or full time. We need to be more ruthless next year and let players go if they cannot commit to the clubs plan. All or nothing. The mentality has to be 100% for this to work
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I trust the management team to make the right decisions on players. End of.
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Hi all,
We will be having a Q&A on our on field plans for this season later this week. Details on how to submit questions are now on the website.
Bill
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Hi, would it be possible for Neil Sorvel also to be on the Q and A ?
Given he is the person widely quoted in the NLP article it would be good to get his take on things.
I don’t post often but just thought this might be a sensible approach?
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Hi, would it be possible for Neil Sorvel also to be on the Q and A ?
Given he is the person widely quoted in the NLP article it would be good to get his take on things.
I don’t post often but just thought this might be a sensible approach?
Agreed..surely one of the managers should be involved....
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Hi, would it be possible for Neil Sorvel also to be on the Q and A ?
Given he is the person widely quoted in the NLP article it would be good to get his take on things.
I don’t post often but just thought this might be a sensible approach?
Agreed..surely one of the managers should be involved....
PP is on the panel isn't he?
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Could be a very long season. Mission Survival. We’ve been here before. I’ll try to think of some positives.
We only have to finish above 3 teams - 1 of which has a huge points deduction - there's a start!
Also, we picked up Joel Senior after a trial last season - I'm sure we might be able to pull some rabbits out of the hat.
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Could be a very long season. Mission Survival. We’ve been here before. I’ll try to think of some positives.
We only have to finish above 3 teams - 1 of which has a huge points deduction - there's a start!
Also, we picked up Joel Senior after a trial last season - I'm sure we might be able to pull some rabbits out of the hat.
I think "rabbits" is an unfortunate choice of words. We need tigers.
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Could be a very long season. Mission Survival. We’ve been here before. I’ll try to think of some positives.
We only have to finish above 3 teams - 1 of which has a huge points deduction - there's a start!
Also, we picked up Joel Senior after a trial last season - I'm sure we might be able to pull some rabbits out of the hat.
I think "rabbits" is an unfortunate choice of words. We need tigers.
There's a "B Bunny" plays up front for Alberquerque Rovers!