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2 massive games this week. Clearly the board and management aren't going to let the season fizzle out. Think all players are playing for next season retention/permanent deal.
Assuming Densmore, Fis and Mooney are unavailable due to knocks.
Thompson
Senior Zuma Hannigan Ogle
Smith Moult
Hardy Hancock Colclough
Bell
Subs Malarkey, Hampson, Williams, Ceesay, Piggott.
Alty 2-1 D&G (Bell, Hardy)
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2 massive games this week. Clearly the board and management aren't going to let the season fizzle out. Think all players are playing for next season retention/permanent deal.
Assuming Densmore, Fis and Mooney are unavailable due to knocks.
Thompson
Senior Zuma Hannigan Ogle
Smith Moult
Hardy Hancock Colclough
Bell
Subs Malarkey, Hampson, Williams, Ceesay, Piggott.
Alty 2-1 D&G (Bell, Hardy)
I'll take the result, team could be as you say. Pitch was used last night I noticed by MUFC so I guess will be OK for Saturday
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2-1 alty (Adarabioyo & Hardy)
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2 massive games this week. Clearly the board and management aren't going to let the season fizzle out. Think all players are playing for next season retention/permanent deal.
Assuming Densmore, Fis and Mooney are unavailable due to knocks.
Thompson
Senior Zuma Hannigan Ogle
Smith Moult
Hardy Hancock Colclough
Bell
Subs Malarkey, Hampson, Williams, Ceesay, Piggott.
Alty 2-1 D&G (Bell, Hardy)
Be interesting to see if Zouma keeps his place after that... interesting half he had the other evening.
Possibly Ceesay starting over Hardy? - although I would like to see the latter given some more game time.
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So is Sutton one of the walking wounded or has he just drifted out of contention?
I'm finding it increasingly difficult to keep up.
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No doubt Zouma was a car crash of a first half on Tuesday but had been top notch previously.
Sutton got sent to wasteland (as did White) after the bromley game
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I think couple of selection issues to be decided... Ogle or Connor at LB... Zouma or Mullarkey at CB (with Hannigan)... Smith if fit or Williams... Hardy or Ceesay on wing (replacing suspended Kosylo)... Bell or Piggott up front...
I think Team will be...
TT
Senior Zouma Hannigan Ogle
Moult Smith
Ceesay Hancock Colclough
Bell
Subs: Mullarky, Connor, Williams, Hardy, Piggott
Predict: Alty win 3-1 (Hancock, Hannigan, Bell)... COYR!
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No doubt Zouma was a car crash of a first half on Tuesday but had been top notch previously.
Sutton got sent to wasteland (as did White) after the bromley game
I do feel sorry for both of them, neither have been particularly poor by any stretch of the imagination.
But then again, we don't see what goes on in training, etc etc
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What is a little concerning for me is if Robinstockport's team selection proves to be correct then there's only 4 of the promotion team actually starting against Dagenham. Granted some are on the bench and nothing lasts for ever however it seems like a revolution rather than an evolution. Difficult to keep up! SBL
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What is a little concerning for me is if Robinstockport's team selection proves to be correct then there's only 4 of the promotion team actually starting against Dagenham. Granted some are on the bench and nothing lasts for ever however it seems like a revolution rather than an evolution. Difficult to keep up! SBL
Interesting stat SBL.
Do think that it's only White and Richman who have been 'cast aside' thou
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Teams evolve though, they cannot stand still. The nucleus of the squad is still with us. I remember the great team which Kingy captained until his knee injury. We stuck with that team bar 1 or 2 changes for 5 years. Eventually in 1982, their bubble burst and Tony Saunders resigned if I remember rightly. I felt that team was left for too long and lost a little of it's winning mentality. Changes with new players keeps others on their toes, and the team fresh and up for challenges. A lot of the squad have won titles etc, but you still need to battle at higher levels and the team evolves or it will lose it's hunger to win trophies.
The management team and board I feel are doing this exactly right, still think they need to extend the management contract though, give Phil and the team a little more time, we are getting there.
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Teams evolve though, they cannot stand still. The nucleus of the squad is still with us. I remember the great team which Kingy captained until his knee injury. We stuck with that team bar 1 or 2 changes for 5 years. Eventually in 1982, their bubble burst and Tony Saunders resigned if I remember rightly. I felt that team was left for too long and lost a little of it's winning mentality. Changes with new players keeps others on their toes, and the team fresh and up for challenges. A lot of the squad have won titles etc, but you still need to battle at higher levels and the team evolves or it will lose it's hunger to win trophies.
The management team and board I feel are doing this exactly right, still think they need to extend the management contract though, give Phil and the team a little more time, we are getting there.
Tony Sanders did resign, and to my shame I recall shouting "Sanders Out" when I stood on the old terrace to the left of the Main Stand as you face it. My only defence was I was nobbut a boy who knew not what he was doing.
Tony Sanders. Club Legend.
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Teams evolve though, they cannot stand still. The nucleus of the squad is still with us. I remember the great team which Kingy captained until his knee injury. We stuck with that team bar 1 or 2 changes for 5 years. Eventually in 1982, their bubble burst and Tony Saunders resigned if I remember rightly. I felt that team was left for too long and lost a little of it's winning mentality. Changes with new players keeps others on their toes, and the team fresh and up for challenges. A lot of the squad have won titles etc, but you still need to battle at higher levels and the team evolves or it will lose it's hunger to win trophies.
The management team and board I feel are doing this exactly right, still think they need to extend the management contract though, give Phil and the team a little more time, we are getting there.
Tony Sanders did resign, and to my shame I recall shouting "Sanders Out" when I stood on the old terrace to the left of the Main Stand as you face it. My only defence was I was nobbut a boy who knew not what he was doing.
Tony Sanders. Club Legend.
Tony Sanders resigned after the 2-0 FA Trophy First Round defeat against Kidderminster Harriers at Moss Lane on Saturday, 14th January 1984.
In truth, it didn't come as any great surprise. The spark had gone.
Plus John King was impressing at South Liverpool in his first managerial role and, therefore, the natural successor was manifestly apparent.
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley). We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley). We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
Excellent summing up of a great time to be an Alty fan, then and now. The 80/81 side won the title, the league cup and made the 3rd round of the FA Cup (against Liverpool) but they didn't have quite the dominance over opposition sides they'd enjoyed the previous season and there were a few backs to the wall performances where we ground out wins. Losing Graham Barrow at the start of 81/82 was a huge blow and we knew early on that season that the team was past its best - even so, we made it to Wembley in the Trophy and the 3rd round of the FA Cup. If we'd won the Trophy in 82 it may have papered over the growing cracks and done us more harm than good in the long run. The club and current team is sensibly evolving and inevitably certain players will have reached their level having done their bit for Alty.
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley). We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
Excellent summing up of a great time to be an Alty fan, then and now. The 80/81 side won the title, the league cup and made the 3rd round of the FA Cup (against Liverpool) but they didn't have quite the dominance over opposition sides they'd enjoyed the previous season and there were a few backs to the wall performances where we ground out wins. Losing Graham Barrow at the start of 81/82 was a huge blow and we knew early on that season that the team was past its best - even so, we made it to Wembley in the Trophy and the 3rd round of the FA Cup. If we'd won the Trophy in 82 it may have papered over the growing cracks and done us more harm than good in the long run. The club and current team is sensibly evolving and inevitably certain players will have reached their level having done their bit for Alty.
A couple of very interesting posts. Tony Sanders built an excellent team, probably the best in our history, but he what he didn't or couldn't do was to build a second excellent team as the first grew older.
There was an attempt to do so in 1981-82 (which was a pretty good season in retrospect as we made the FA Cup 3rd Round, made the Trophy Final and won the Cheshire Senior Cup while finish halfway in the Alliance Premier League, although it was a decline from previous seasons, and I thought this was the turning point rather than the previous season). Derek Goulding, and then Phil Gardner and Paul Cuddy were all brought into the first team, with the latter two playing on for years, but the older players forced their way back into the team with only Cuddy playing at Wembley. Maybe Tony Sanders was soft-hearted or a bit too loyal to the players who had done so well for him in the past?
At the end of that season, I remember a number of the long-serving players were offered reduced terms. Some accepted and some left. A big difference between then and now is that the greater availability of substitutes (only 1 allowed at that time) means that it is a lot easier to blend young players gradually into the first team.
As for tomorrow's game, I notice that Dagenham and Redbridge manager Daryl McMahon says that he has learned "Nothing" from their earlier defeat to us, in their match preview as they have had a big turnover of players, not unlike ourselves, having just signed a player from Maidstone United, who has never played at National League level before.
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Getting back to the game, I really fancy us to win this one and that's a bad sign.
Hope I'm wrong 😅
I'm going for a 2-0 win! 😉
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Glad to see Sutton and Ringo back in contention.
Also glad to see Tom & Toby together at the back.
Suspected he might opt for Ceesay as the starter.
Would have been happier to see Bell start over Piggott.
Come on lads.
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I've bought a program but how do I access it.
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It will be emailed to you separately, Cheshire.
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Radio Robins is a bit up and down here.
Come on Alty.
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
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Weston is a worry - he's murdering Ogle. At the moment, it looks like we're just waiting to concede.
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
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It will be emailed to you separately, Cheshire.
Thanks. Got it now
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What a professional and highly entertaining first half performance. Plenty of rhythm, class and well paced.
The Helm/Flynn axis riffing off each other as if they have played together since their youth.
Now, will the football improve to match the majestic commentary team?
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It's been joyless paint by numbers stuff since Torquay really. Looking forward to the end of the season.
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Well done to Dagenham - deserved winners. I disagree with the commentators - it really wasn't an entertaining game. I'm not sure I recall us having a single shot and that really is the problem. We're still mucking about with 'strikers' who can't score.
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Really not happening at the moment.
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We got so many crosses in this week. Really encouraging stuff but no one managed to get a boot on them.
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We got so many crosses in this week. Really encouraging stuff but no one managed to get a boot on them.
good summary of the game
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Really unfortunate today. You'd hope that sub wasn't tactical as Ceesay was probably our best player up to that point. Colclough also played very well as usual. It's becoming apparent that we're not putting our chances away
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2 bang average teams not testing the opposition keeper for 90mins.
The question that needs asking to PP 'Why bring Ceesay off, and why for Peers when Hardy is sat on the bench?'
Not very impressed to be honest
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Dagenham & Redbridge seemed both to pass and retain the ball far better than us. You sensed that Wright would score from that free kick after his first-half 'sighter'.
We dearly miss Smith, who has been a huge upgrade on Williams.
Plenty of crosses into their box but our putative strikers simply seem to vanish. It's all so frustrating.
That's seven defeats in our last 10 league fixtures now.
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Glad I wasn’t there to watch that, dreadful stuff, commentary more enjoyable.
Striker needed up top to quote John Helm.
Ritchman did ok as did Hancock, but the rest were poor.
Really missed Smith last 2 games.
Kings Lynn up next and improvement needed, Bell needs to start to see what he can do in the endless search for a striker.
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Williams is not to blame here - we need to be putting our chances away
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Williams and Moult play sideways - Smith plays forward.
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Glad I wasn’t there to watch that, dreadful stuff, commentary more enjoyable.
Striker needed up top to quote John Helm.
Ritchman did ok as did Hancock, but the rest were poor.
Really missed Smith last 2 games.
Kings Lynn up next and improvement needed, Bell needs to start to see what he can do in the endless search for a striker.
If you think Hannigan and Senior 'were poor' give your head a wobble
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Dagenham & Redbridge seemed both to pass and retain the ball far better than us. You sensed that Wright would score from that free kick after his first-half 'sighter'.
We dearly miss Smith, who has been a huge upgrade on Williams.
Plenty of crosses into their box but our putative strikers simply seem to vanish. It's all so frustrating.
That's seven defeats in our last 10 league fixtures now.
Completely agree. PP and NS's game is all about retaining possession, which without Smith and Kysolo (who does so further up the pitch) we simply didn't do today. D&R were the better team, although on another day those half chances from crosses might've seen us get a win.
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John Helm was a pleasure to listen to so much more enjoyable than the usual commentary.
Peers for Ceesay was a very strange sub.
Ogle is no better than Hampson.
Clearly wasn’t behind closed doors either with groups of people in front of the sports hall.
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I thought the performance was a condensed version of our season. Plenty of crosses, no goals. Needless free kick costs us the game. Richman should start on Tuesday, our best player when he came on. There was really only one shot that needed saving in the whole match, and I'm not blaming TT for failing to stop it.
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Gutted again with result... another defeat in game would normally hope to win... maybe i should wait 24hrs before posting as at mo it is all a little frustrating...
We had several chances via crosses into the box from Ceesay, Colclough, & Richman but no-one could get on end of these... there wasn't much between the teams and draw looked most likely as both teams missing a goalscorer... unfortunately great freekick into top corner won it...
Thought today we'd win... season appears to be fizzling out to midtable finish as hopes of playoffs drifting away... too many bad results lately...
Injuries, leading to multiple team changes & loanees (though some good) aint helped... need stable & settled team... would've taken midtable start of season... Tues should be winable against makeshift Kings Lynn side, but then again thought today would be a win so who knows...
Hoping Smithy will be back... also thought it strange neither Connor or White on bench (think White injured) - when Ogle went off at H/T thought Ringo did well... Roll on Tues...
Trying to think positively guess would have taken midtable at start of season against mostly full time teams... just bit frustrating as think we are a decent striker away from being playoff contenders - but need for a top striker has been said before... Parky & the Board keep trying... keep the faith!
Despite season maybe fizzling out we can still hopefully look forward to attending last game (or couple games) of season - as long as BoJo, Trafford Council, & Covid permit...
COYR!
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Glad I wasn’t there to watch that, dreadful stuff, commentary more enjoyable.
Striker needed up top to quote John Helm.
Ritchman did ok as did Hancock, but the rest were poor.
Really missed Smith last 2 games.
Kings Lynn up next and improvement needed, Bell needs to start to see what he can do in the endless search for a striker.
If you think Hannigan and Senior 'were poor' give your head a wobble
Hannigan made that awful tackle to give them the goal and Ritchman more a threat from RB.
But hey, what do I know.
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Getting back to the game, I really fancy us to win this one and that's a bad sign.
Hope I'm wrong 😅
I'm going for a 2-0 win! 😉
I just knew I should have kept my big mouth shut! 🤬
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
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Must admit my wife & i, plus some mates, have been wondering this all season... always seems to be several people stood in front of each window of CSH... assume majority of those in main stand are directors & playing staff of both clubs, but seems to be lot of other people stood around ground in various locations... surely don't need many stewards (if any) if no fans bar handful of allowed people... though whoever these people are (and assume all officially allowed) there does seem a lot of people dotted around the ground... guess we are just jealous as would love to be at Moss Lane ourselves...
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... hopefully we'll all be back for end of season... as long as things continue to improve re Covid etc... fingers crossed...
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Groundstaff
Safety officer and Stewards who I reckon will be needed for licencing or legal reasons
Photographers from both teams
Visiting players / Officials not in stand
Coach drivers
Catering staff
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Peers for Ceesay was an awful sub. Ceesay was a threat and was coming into the game.
How is Peers getting minutes over Hardy? it is utterly bizarre. Feel tight but Peers is not to the standard, 95% of the fans can even see it each week.
A lot weaker without the drive of Kossy and Smith.
Richman had a great game. I have not been that impressed with Ogle, good debut but would have Connor over him all day long.
As someone mentioned, silly challenge by Hannigan. Just had to close the player down without committing himself
I think when we get Piggott fully fit, likely to be next season, he will do well. We really need someone to get on the end of Colclough's crosses.
Disappointing today.
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Great earlier post about the building of the late 70's and early 80's team and comparing it to now. Remember the wobble towards the end of the 80/81 season, i think when JR got injured, the buying of Gary Hulme for a then record fee of i think around £5k and in the end winning the league from Kettering with a game to spare before the last game of the season at home v Yeovil. Great shame that alot of that team were nearing the end of their careers at the same time and it was always going to tough for Tony Sanders to rebuild a team of a similar quality. Remember the stick he was getting towards the end from a few fans and always thought it a shame his managerial career at Alty ended that way.
As for now, someone has already mentioned one difference from back then is the number of subs allowed but also there is the difference in the use of loan players. Personally at times I've lost touch as to who is permanent and who is on loan, and it would be good to finish the season with a more stable starting 11, of players who should be with us next season and not end up having the same turnover of players we have had this season. Its petering out this season but can't see why we can't compete in this league next season, I don't think there are too many teams we should be afraid of.
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
One of them has done a YouTube video for his seven followers.
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
One of them has done a YouTube video for his seven followers.
Is there any truth in this?
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
One of them has done a YouTube video for his seven followers.
Is there any truth in this?
The chap seems to be of learning difficulties. However, still not 100% sure why he and has dad were there during a national lockdown.
It'd be good to know why people are stood in pairs on a live stream when Trafford Council are trying to allow us a test game.
Each person in front of the main stand was stood in a pair, if we can't show social distancing with 100 people how will we allow for 300-500.
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
One of them has done a YouTube video for his seven followers.
Is there any truth in this?
The chap seems to be of learning difficulties. However, still not 100% sure why he and has dad were there during a national lockdown.
It'd be good to know why people are stood in pairs on a live stream when Trafford Council are trying to allow us a test game.
Each person in front of the main stand was stood in a pair, if we can't show social distancing with 100 people how will we allow for 300-500.
Maybe because they are in their bubbles?
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Who are the usual suspects stood in front of the watmore lounge?
A very valid point.
Just who are those characters?
Perhaps Management Guru could enlighten us.
One of them has done a YouTube video for his seven followers.
Is there any truth in this?
The chap seems to be of learning difficulties. However, still not 100% sure why he and has dad were there during a national lockdown.
It'd be good to know why people are stood in pairs on a live stream when Trafford Council are trying to allow us a test game.
Each person in front of the main stand was stood in a pair, if we can't show social distancing with 100 people how will we allow for 300-500.
Maybe because they are in their bubbles?
6 bubbles are a match where only essential workers should be is highly unlikely.
Given how you form a bubble (usually a family member or friend if you live a alone), it's highly unlikely you'd form it with a colleague volunteering a football match. And if you did, five in a row seems strange.
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Any chance we can stop the stupid puns on the official site? Tinpot
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Any chance we can stop the stupid puns on the official site? Tinpot
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/news.htm
Use John’s unofficial official site instead it has more information on it
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Any chance we can stop the stupid puns on the official site? Tinpot
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/news.htm
Use John’s unofficial official site instead it has more information on it
I, for one, always do. Doesn't everyone?
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Any chance we can stop the stupid puns on the official site? Tinpot
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/news.htm
Use John’s unofficial official site instead it has more information on it
I, for one, always do. Doesn't everyone?
No
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You surprise me. I find the JL site interesting and informative about not only Alty but teams around the league too. Always worth a daily glance.
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You surprise me. I find the JL site interesting and informative about not only Alty but teams around the league too. Always worth a daily glance.
I always felt if the club were to do a new website, JLs wealth of information would be much better formatted, such as a weekly round up or similar to BBC on deadline day as a live blog.
That way I can find alty news when vital but check in on JLs wealth of NL knowledge.
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I just don't look at JL's site instead of the official one. They are totally different in role and format and I much prefer the new site as it's more modern and does what I think an official site should do.
You surprise me. I find the JL site interesting and informative about not only Alty but teams around the league too. Always worth a daily glance.
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I just don't look at JL's site instead of the official one. They are totally different in role and format and I much prefer the new site as it's more modern and does what I think an official site should do.
You surprise me. I find the JL site interesting and informative about not only Alty but teams around the league too. Always worth a daily glance.
I see. We seem to have a misunderstanding here, sorry.
I too use both sites. I just find the JL site more wide ranging.
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Must admit i use both Alty official website & JL's old Alty website (now called Alty Files), plus Alty twitter & this forum for most of my Alty news... each have their benefits...
https://www.altrinchamfc.com/
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/news.htm
https://mobile.twitter.com/altrinchamfc?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
I also get most up-to-date non-lge news via Ollie Bayliss twitter feed which is usually on the ball re all non-lge events, plus weekend Non-League Paper & it's twitter account also...
https://mobile.twitter.com/Ollie_Bayliss
https://mobile.twitter.com/NonLeaguePaper?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
Enjoy checking on all things Alty & also main Non-Lge News.
COYR!
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Always have a daily read and check of the JL site for all my Altrincham FC news and non leaguec news in general. Take a look at the official site when reminded to do so by this forum
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley).
We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
Bill,
I think that you've gone a trifle early there!
Plus the likes of Jeff Johnson and John Davison, in particular, still had a few good years left in the tank.
If we had done that, we would have missed out on experiencing the most successful season (1980/81) in the club's history: an Alliance Premier League & Cup double plus an FA Cup Third Round tie against Liverpool at Anfield (not to mention two thrilling encounters with Cammell Laird in the Cheshire Senior Cup)!
The sucker punch to the club comprised the results of the 1981 Football League AGM Re-election Vote:
Tranmere Rovers FL 48 re-elected to Division Four
York City FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Hereford United FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Halifax Town FL 41 re-elected to Division Four
Altrincham FC 15
At which juncture, I think that it became blindingly apparent that we were never going to be invited to become a member of that private club, regardless of our achievements on the pitch.
The 1981/82 season saw Tony Sanders endeavour to evolve the team by blooding younger players such as Derek Goulding, Phil Gardner, John Cavanah and Nick Banner. however expectations were probably still set too high and it was difficult for these new recruits to be judged against the exploits of individuals who had become legends at Moss Lane.
Consequently, Tony Sanders' default ploy was to fall back on 'the old guard', who still had the ability to produce excellent one-off results but could no longer maintain their previous high levels of consistency and success.
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Always have a daily read and check of the JL site for all my Altrincham FC news and non leaguec news in general. Take a look at the official site when reminded to do so by this forum
Yes. That's basically what I do.
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley).
We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
Bill,
I think that you've gone a trifle early there!
Plus the likes of Jeff Johnson and John Davison, in particular, still had a few good years left in the tank.
If we had done that, we would have missed out on experiencing the most successful season (1980/81) in the club's history: an Alliance Premier League & Cup double plus an FA Cup Third Round tie against Liverpool at Anfield (not to mention two thrilling encounters with Cammell Laird in the Cheshire Senior Cup)!
The sucker punch to the club comprised the results of the 1981 Football League AGM Re-election Vote:
Tranmere Rovers FL 48 re-elected to Division Four
York City FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Hereford United FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Halifax Town FL 41 re-elected to Division Four
Altrincham FC 15
At which juncture, I think that it became blindingly apparent that we were never going to be invited to become a member of that private club, regardless of our achievements on the pitch.
The 1981/82 season saw Tony Sanders endeavour to evolve the team by blooding younger players such as Derek Goulding, Phil Gardner, John Cavanah and Nick Banner. however expectations were probably still set too high and it was difficult for these new recruits to be judged against the exploits of individuals who had become legends at Moss Lane.
Consequently, Tony Sanders' default ploy was to fall back on 'the old guard', who still had the ability to produce excellent one-off results but could no longer maintain their previous high levels of consistency and success.
Bearing in mind how close we'd come the year before, coupled with the excellent season we had in 1980/81, it really surprises me how few votes we received the second time round. From missing out by one vote to, basically, nowhere at all. We truly were robbed!
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If you look at that Tony Sanders managed team from his arrival to us reaching the pinnacle, the evolution was not dissimilar to what we are seeing today.
You had mainstays like Ivan Crossley and Mickey Brooke becoming squad players - but still playing an important role (Brookes goal at Droylsden taking us to White Hart Lane for example); you had a raising of the bar seeing upgrades from (eg) Mickey Moore to John Rogers, and a falling by the wayside of the (eg) Joe Flaherty's of this world. You even saw the odd big name signing coming in and failing to make an impact (Tony Webber as example)
And the main thrust was strengthen the squad each year - Johnson and Webber in 76/7; Rogers, Bailey and King in 77/8; Barry Howard in 78/9; Graham Barrow and Barry Whitbread in 79/80. And we ended up with a squad that had replaced (eg) Alan Heathcote with Graham Barrow
The arrival of Ceesay, Mooney, Senior, Colclough, Kosylo and Smith (the new Graham Barrow) is part of the same dynamic.
Coincidentally, the board is expanding to a similar size as it was in the late 70's - ambitious young dynamic business leaders (and me!)
The root cause of the demise from 80/1 onwards was that we felt we had to give the team that missed out on FL another go, and their momentum carried them to a second title. Unfortunately they all reached the end of their career at the same time (albeit at Wembley).
We should perhaps have wielded the axe in 1980 and given new talent time to grow
Bill,
I think that you've gone a trifle early there!
Plus the likes of Jeff Johnson and John Davison, in particular, still had a few good years left in the tank.
If we had done that, we would have missed out on experiencing the most successful season (1980/81) in the club's history: an Alliance Premier League & Cup double plus an FA Cup Third Round tie against Liverpool at Anfield (not to mention two thrilling encounters with Cammell Laird in the Cheshire Senior Cup)!
The sucker punch to the club comprised the results of the 1981 Football League AGM Re-election Vote:
Tranmere Rovers FL 48 re-elected to Division Four
York City FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Hereford United FL 46 re-elected to Division Four
Halifax Town FL 41 re-elected to Division Four
Altrincham FC 15
At which juncture, I think that it became blindingly apparent that we were never going to be invited to become a member of that private club, regardless of our achievements on the pitch.
The 1981/82 season saw Tony Sanders endeavour to evolve the team by blooding younger players such as Derek Goulding, Phil Gardner, John Cavanah and Nick Banner. however expectations were probably still set too high and it was difficult for these new recruits to be judged against the exploits of individuals who had become legends at Moss Lane.
Consequently, Tony Sanders' default ploy was to fall back on 'the old guard', who still had the ability to produce excellent one-off results but could no longer maintain their previous high levels of consistency and success.
Bearing in mind how close we'd come the year before, coupled with the excellent season we had in 1980/81, it really surprises me how few votes we received the second time round. From missing out by one vote to, basically, nowhere at all. We truly were robbed!
Yes, the voting seemed to be based on how moribund the club at the bottom of Division 4 was, rather than how good their potential replacements were, so Halifax Town survived much more comfortably than Rochdale, even though we had an even better season.
Ironically, Halifax Town were later to fold while Rochdale (eventually) moved upwards.
This match thread seems to cover a lot of territory, I must say.
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Peers for Ceesay was an awful sub. Ceesay was a threat and was coming into the game.
How is Peers getting minutes over Hardy? it is utterly bizarre. Feel tight but Peers is not to the standard, 95% of the fans can even see it each week.
A lot weaker without the drive of Kossy and Smith.
Richman had a great game. I have not been that impressed with Ogle, good debut but would have Connor over him all day long.
As someone mentioned, silly challenge by Hannigan. Just had to close the player down without committing himself
I think when we get Piggott fully fit, likely to be next season, he will do well. We really need someone to get on the end of Colclough's crosses.
Disappointing today.
Yes, Peers who set up a goal against Woking and then scored a "goal" against Hartlepool, albeit caught off-side by a well-drilled Hartlepool defence (the third best away from home).
My reading is he has a knack of unsettling tight defences (he came close to giving us our first win at Edgely Park), though admittedly he didn't get much of a look in against Dagenham (and redbridge. and leytonstone. and barking. mad.). I suspect the 2 recent trips to Surrey, and the big losses of the creativity provided by Smith and Kosylo were factors in our lack of edge in the closing stages.