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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Inter Alty! on February 21, 2021, 02:35:54 PM
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Lets hope the lads can rediscover their winning ways after three straight defeats and bounce back with a win...
With Connor banned after red card and assume Colclough out injured, plus maybe Hancock still not fit predict team...
Thompson
Senior Sutton Hannigan White
Moult Smith
Kosylo Mooney Ceesay
Peers
Subs: Dens, Mullarkey, Richman, Harrison, Piggott
NB if Hancock fit then he'll probably replace Mooney in above team...
Lets hope we bounce back... need a win... COYR!
Hoping for an away win, but would take a draw to stop run of defeats... predict Alty win 2-1 (Kosylo & Hannigan)...
What team do u predict??? Thoughts on result???
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Desperately need Hancock and/or Mooney back
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Don't look at the Spirites forum. They're expecting a rout.
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Don't look at the Spirites forum. They're expecting a rout.
Perhaps the players should read it.
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The thing is, if we get it right, we are absolutely unplayable and we do have a tendency to win these no-hope away games. I can't see anything other than a defeat but I have said that often this season. If Hanks and Mooney are back, we'll give them a game at least.
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I know they signed that striker from Gloucester but have their squad improved that much? They were nothing special last time.
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New manager has signed 10 or 11 players since he's come in, including 4 from Gloucester.
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Friend of mine is their forum moderator. Staunch supporter of 40 years home and away. He says they have signed 13 and team is unrecognisable from early season. He is expecting a comfortable win - so we need to turn up and do what we do best.....beat the odds on favourites
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They must have the biggest squad in the league. I live in hope. If we play like we can we are a match for anyone at this level.
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They must have the biggest squad in the league. I live in hope. If we play like we can we are a match for anyone at this level.
The original goalkeeper has gone to Morecambe and they have furloughed some others of the squad from the start of the season who are not in James Rowe's plans, whether or not that is in the spirit of the furlough scheme.
I do agree that if we play to our best that we can beat them.
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They must have the biggest squad in the league. I live in hope. If we play like we can we are a match for anyone at this level.
The original goalkeeper has gone to Morecambe and they have furloughed some others of the squad from the start of the season who are not in James Rowe's plans, whether or not that is in the spirit of the furlough scheme.
I do agree that if we play to our best that we can beat them.
I really don't think that is what furlough is for. A bit of a pi$$ take!
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Not the only "furlough"-related one, I'll be bound. Inevitable though. Same as 'keepers pretending to be injured to relieve a spell of pressure - at least until the rules are changed to stop it, I'd like to see an automatic corner or something to the other team if the referee has his suspicions, though it may prove unworkable.
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I was mentioning this to someone today with regard to Nathan Ashmore's "injury" yesterday. The problem is that any referee really has to take any potential injury seriously, and it's not as if the attending physio would say there was nothing wrong with the player and he was faking it.
Possibly, a pattern of such incidents could be viewed retrospectively if clubs complained, but I can't really see it happening.
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Get a "third physio", at least at the higher levels. Goodness knows, we have enough officials these days (as City fans could tell you!).
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Lets hope the lads can rediscover their winning ways after three straight defeats and bounce back with a win...
With Connor banned after red card and assume Colclough out injured, plus maybe Hancock still not fit predict team...
Thompson
Senior Sutton Hannigan White
Moult Smith
Kosylo Mooney Ceesay
Peers
Subs: Dens, Mullarkey, Richman, Harrison, Piggott
NB if Hancock fit then he'll probably replace Mooney in above team...
Lets hope we bounce back... need a win... COYR!
Hoping for an away win, but would take a draw to stop run of defeats... predict Alty win 2-1 (Kosylo & Hannigan)...
What team do u predict??? Thoughts on result???
Without Colclough and Hancock it will always be a mountain.
Would like to see Piggott start and get the minutes he needs.
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Also Mularkey over Sutton who looked way off the pace on Saturday. I would be getting Leather back.
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Of their 16 man squad in our 3-2 win, only 6 were involved yesterday - and one was an unused sub. They're a different animal.
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They're full of themselves. I'm really enjoying their forum. Latest debate is where they will have to go to see the playoff final.
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They're full of themselves. I'm really enjoying their forum. Latest debate is where they will have to go to see the playoff final.
Definitely show it to the players, I really hope there management underestimate us.
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Just hope the club guard against conceding an early goal, so we are not on the backfoot. The longer the game goes on without conceding, the more the pressure is transmitted to the away team.
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Fully expect us to turn it around and have another decent run... But not tonight. 2-0 defeat despite a few good chances our way.
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I never predict a loss, so I'm going for a 1-1 draw.
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Same result as the 1998 visit (without the sending off !)
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Going to be a very tough night I feel.
Chesterfield 3-1 Alty (Smith)
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Looking at the forecast for Chesterfield, rain subsiding, but the wind is blowing some 20mph+ so that will likely cause issues.
I've booked the stream, as little on telly..
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Just seen the line up on the BBC and I think a one all draw might be a tad optimistic. 🤔
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Unlucky lads, switched off again for their goal - he shouldn't have been allowed to get that cross in.
Thought we were going to nick a point with the pen, but agonisingly similar to Kosylo's v Hartlepool - well struck but you're always going to give the goalkeeper a chance going to his comfortable side.
With the exception of the 5 minutes or so that we had Durrell, we've been dreadful at penalties for about 20 years. I just never expect us to score them.
Ceesay gave them problems all night, credit to him.
Game them a good game, and I'm convinced an upturn in form is just around the corner.
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Really encouraging performance tonight. unlucky not to get a draw ceesay, Kosylo and Smith
all played well and considering our players probably aren’t 100% we matched a very good chesterfield side for large parts of that. Well in lads.
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Unlucky but maybe still need to find that elusive striker .
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I never predict a loss, so I'm going for a 1-1 draw.
Only a penalty conversion away from being correct!
Well done lads, you gave it all for us again.
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I thought that Chesterfield were mediocre, at best, and it's deeply frustrating not to have attained at least a point from that game, particularly in view of Piggott squandering that opportunity from the penalty spot.
Poor goal to concede - both Peers and Mullarkey were not strong enough with their respective challenges.
Kosylo and Ceesay were lively but lacked support from the peripheral and inconsequential figures of Harrison and Peers.
We really cannot afford to keep on carrying passengers at this level.
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I agree with Cult, but only if its okay. I wouldn't want to upset the forumites with negative comments.
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Gutted to lose this game... when i saw starting team i feared the worst but still hoped for a win as we seem to play better away and against in-form teams (Chesterfield are 2nd in form table over last 10 games before tonight)...
Thought we played ok in end and had some chances to score, not least our penalty, but it wasn't to be... draw would have been good against one of the form teams at present...
We seem to have missed (or had saved) several penalties over the last 5yrs or so... don't know exact record but can recall several we have not put away in recent times... fair play to Piggott for standing up to take tonight's pen...
Sadly, 4th defeat on run... hopefully we can bounce back on Sat against Bromley who are 2pts & two positions below us and won 3 of last 10 same as us... need to rediscover our winning ways... we go again on Saturday... COYR!
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I thought it was two evenly matched sides. We should have had a point at least.
I thought the referee was decent tonight. Don't know where they got five minutes of extra time from though.
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I thought that Chesterfield were mediocre, at best, and it's deeply frustrating not to have attained at least a point from that game, particularly in view of Piggott squandering that opportunity from the penalty spot.
Poor goal to concede - both Peers and Mullarkey were not strong enough with their respective challenges.
Kosylo and Ceesay were lively but lacked support from the peripheral and inconsequential figures of Harrison and Peers.
We really cannot afford to keep on carrying passengers at this level.
Total DUFFERS the pair of them. Why can't Parky see that.
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Deserved a draw, but we can't keep conceding soft goals.
Wasn't the worse penalty but a nice height for the keeper
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I agree with Cult, but only if its okay. I wouldn't want to upset the forumites with negative comments.
Feel free it’s what the forums for.
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Harrison and Peers aren't good enough.
White has been terrible this season. You simply can't stand off players in this league, so many crosses from his side. Always has defended that way but the quality of crosses at this level are hurting us.
Too many poor goals conceded at the back post. Let's go for Leather.
TT hasn't been great for 4 games now and is beginning to look nervous again. Gould should be given an opportunity.
We need a decent length of time with everyone fit. I would appreciate an update on injuries.
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I may be a bit glass half full, but I thought we played okay in a good match.
Ceesay and Kosylo were excellent, especially in the first half, and I place no blame on Joe Piggott, whose penalty effort wasn't bad, but thwarted by a good save. Hardy looked promising in his cameo.
I can see how Byron Harrison is a good player, who holds up the ball well, but he and our formation don't seem to mesh. Maybe Piggott will start in his place soon, but I can't see many other changes, except for injuries.
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I didn't see the live stream but followed RR (when it was on) and the live updates.
It sounded like we played really well and we should be encouraged by that.
At least we all know what the problem is. At this level, Tom Peers is a 5 or 6 goals a season striker. Harrison might eventually get one in off his arse, but that will be it.
Can we please bring in a striker on loan to challenge Joe for that spot? I'd say it was pretty urgent.
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Fully expect us to turn it around and have another decent run... But not tonight. 2-0 defeat despite a few good chances our way.
A goal shy of this, sadly.
Lots to take from that game last night. We were much more like ourselves and really should have taken something from the game. I’ve no doubt that we will come good again soon. Keep the faith.
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The stream was excellent last night, thought there commentators were ok, fairly knowledgeable and gave us credit where it was due. Close game overall, we deserved a point at least and I felt we had the best of the other chances, but were not clinical enough. Big miss last night not having Hampo, Josh (would have taken penalty), Mooney and colclough. With them I'm sure we'd have done better upfront. Cisse and Kosylo did well, Harrison OK, Tom, was he playing?
Hardy showed potential with his Cameo, Joe, well off pace and only to be expected. Credit for Joe stepping up, but really a player just back from injury, not fit and just come on to take the penalty. Disgrace. Moulty should have stepped in there as captain.
I'm sure Parky can see the inadequacies and is looking to reinforce those areas.
For there goal, we needed to press and stop the cross, Mullarkey had Asante, but he slipped behind him as ball came over. Game over.
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Harrison is a target man that holds the ball up very well. I’d like to see him with a strike partner before we dismiss him. Peers was an average squad player at NLN level he should not be starting a NL game. TT should have a game or two off he’s become too comfortable (his form improved when Drench came to the club)
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Should have had a draw.
Poor decision to allow Piggot to take the penalty never looked convincing.
Hardy should take at least one of our passenger positions.
Is Ritchman injured? Out of favour? Had a great game when in for Jake Moult and he use to play Right wing back.
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Richman was on the bench. Thompson doesn't seem to recognise when he is kicking with the wind. He was booting the ball too long last night and he did it previously a couple of games ago. Get it up to the forwards yes, but give them a chance.
I've come to the conclusion that Tom Peers is a good finisher but is missing for much of the game. I thought he put more effort in last night than Saturday, but even then the commentary team didn't mention him much.
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Richman was on the bench. Thompson doesn't seem to recognise when he is kicking with the wind. He was booting the ball too long last night and he did it previously a couple of games ago. Get it up to the forwards yes, but give them a chance.
I've come to the conclusion that Tom Peers is a good finisher but is missing for much of the game. I thought he put more effort in last night than Saturday, but even then the commentary team didn't mention him much.
Tom doesn't do well when he has to think. Give him time and he will struggle, a flash across goal and he's better.
He gives his all but it isn't enough over 90, where as have him play 20, it's more concentrated.
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Harrison is a target man that holds the ball up very well. I’d like to see him with a strike partner before we dismiss him. Peers was an average squad player at NLN level he should not be starting a NL game. TT should have a game or two off he’s become too comfortable (his form improved when Drench came to the club)
All for opinions but to partner Harrison with another striker would mean dropping Hankcock or Kossy as no.10 and that would be absolutely ludicrous.
People have mentioned his hold up play. At no point has he brought anyone into the game or created a chance.
It was bouncing off him last night.
He is way off the standard. Even his record of many clubs and little goals tells you the story.
The sooner we get Piggott up top with Hancock as number 10 and then Colclough, Kossy or Mooney out wide the better.
Ceesay is also coming into form which is vital. If Piggott isn't fit then we need to bring in a PROVEN number 9.
It has been the bloody topic all season and it needs sorting.
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And Gould 100% should be given an opportunity. TT is flapping at crosses, always palms away long range shots and his kicking has dropped again. Also moaning a lot and doesn't looked switched on himself. PP pipes on about when players are below par then others come in so for a number of games Peers, Harrison, White and TT have been below the standard. Let's see some action and not words.
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Eh? I can't be on my own in thinking Tony Thompson is one of the current candidates for Player of the Season.
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Eh? I can't be on my own in thinking Tony Thompson is one of the current candidates for Player of the Season.
Indeed.
And Andy White has hardly started a game at this level, let him have a chance to see what it's about first (like most of the squad had back in October). He hasn't lunged in for 2 40:60 challenges and get sent off in the first 30 minutes of a match has he?
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Eh? I can't be on my own in thinking Tony Thompson is one of the current candidates for Player of the Season.
That's why his dip in form has been noticed. He really struggles to claim crosses and get down to long range shots. Gould deserves a few game in my opinion.
Maybe he needs the competition to wake him up a bit.
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Eh? I can't be on my own in thinking Tony Thompson is one of the current candidates for Player of the Season.
Indeed.
And Andy White has hardly started a game at this level, let him have a chance to see what it's about first (like most of the squad had back in October). He hasn't lunged in for 2 40:60 challenges and get sent off in the first 30 minutes of a match has he?
Agreed that Connor needs to think and not lunge.
Watch White defend, he stands yards off the attacking player and backs away. Always done it but at this level crosses are costing us in most games.
I know I am slamming some players but I am desperate for us to turn it around and we need to be playing our strongest team and even with all the injuires we are not playing our best 11 and it is very frustrating.
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Coming round to thinking Harrison is not the answer to the number nine problem.
Also have always agreed with HashtagAltys view that Peers should not be a starter but rather an impact sub at best.
That means if Fisayo is still unfit (if he is still with us) Piggott needs to be starting.
If he's not up to it yet then we need to be looking round for a genuine hold up playing number nine.
I'm sure PP and Co are doing just that as he knows the score much better than me.
On another point, TT is certainly a good keeper but it wouldn't do him any harm to give Gould a game. He probably needs one!
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I am all for competition but Tony Thompson is not the problem here. I'm struggling to attribute any of the recent goals conceded directly to him? You could make a case for some of the crosses, and his pass to Hampson for the second yellow was a bit suicidal, but I would say we simply need to defend much better than we have done. We very much did last night.
On crosses - the great Stuart Coburn was susceptible to this at times. If we had a keeper who could shot stop, command every cross and ping 60 yards consistently, they would not be here long.
So, on kicking - Thompson is not Ederson. There is always going to be an erraticity to what he does, and on the whole I think his distribution is the best I've seen so far at this level. The confidence he has to continually do what is asked of him by Phil and Neil, even if one or two don't go to plan, is commendable and he finds his man way more than he doesn't. This only ever seems to be questioned when we're on a bad run, convenient.
By all means put Matt Gould in on Saturday but when Bromley (who Conferenced the life out of us last time out with a high press) press us and one of our defenders has to go backwards, they're going to expect Thompson to be there. There's an understanding that has been developed and generally, our distribution out from the back has been excellent as a unit.
I do think Gould deserves way more minutes than he has had, though. He should have started in the Trophy and in a normal season we may have had a couple more Cheshire Cup games by now. I'd be all for him coming in if I felt Tony was losing us points but I just don't see how anyone is coming to that conclusion?
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Excellent and sensible post.
I am all for competition but Tony Thompson is not the problem here. I'm struggling to attribute any of the recent goals conceded directly to him? You could make a case for some of the crosses, and his pass to Hampson for the second yellow was a bit suicidal, but I would say we simply need to defend much better than we have done. We very much did last night.
On crosses - the great Stuart Coburn was susceptible to this at times. If we had a keeper who could shot stop, command every cross and ping 60 yards consistently, they would not be here long.
So, on kicking - Thompson is not Ederson. There is always going to be an erraticity to what he does, and on the whole I think his distribution is the best I've seen so far at this level. The confidence he has to continually do what is asked of him by Phil and Neil, even if one or two don't go to plan, is commendable and he finds his man way more than he doesn't. This only ever seems to be questioned when we're on a bad run, convenient.
By all means put Matt Gould in on Saturday but when Bromley (who Conferenced the life out of us last time out with a high press) press us and one of our defenders has to go backwards, they're going to expect Thompson to be there. There's an understanding that has been developed and generally, our distribution out from the back has been excellent as a unit.
I do think Gould deserves way more minutes than he has had, though. He should have started in the Trophy and in a normal season we may have had a couple more Cheshire Cup games by now. I'd be all for him coming in if I felt Tony was losing us points but I just don't see how anyone is coming to that conclusion?
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Just to be clear I'm not unhappy with Thompson in goal but it would have been better if he hadn't given it full welly in the second half last night. I know Ceesay is fast but he's not that fast. In effect we're just throwing away attacking opportunities.
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I am all for competition but Tony Thompson is not the problem here. I'm struggling to attribute any of the recent goals conceded directly to him? You could make a case for some of the crosses, and his pass to Hampson for the second yellow was a bit suicidal, but I would say we simply need to defend much better than we have done. We very much did last night.
On crosses - the great Stuart Coburn was susceptible to this at times. If we had a keeper who could shot stop, command every cross and ping 60 yards consistently, they would not be here long.
So, on kicking - Thompson is not Ederson. There is always going to be an erraticity to what he does, and on the whole I think his distribution is the best I've seen so far at this level. The confidence he has to continually do what is asked of him by Phil and Neil, even if one or two don't go to plan, is commendable and he finds his man way more than he doesn't. This only ever seems to be questioned when we're on a bad run, convenient.
By all means put Matt Gould in on Saturday but when Bromley (who Conferenced the life out of us last time out with a high press) press us and one of our defenders has to go backwards, they're going to expect Thompson to be there. There's an understanding that has been developed and generally, our distribution out from the back has been excellent as a unit.
I do think Gould deserves way more minutes than he has had, though. He should have started in the Trophy and in a normal season we may have had a couple more Cheshire Cup games by now. I'd be all for him coming in if I felt Tony was losing us points but I just don't see how anyone is coming to that conclusion?
Good post mate.
I suppose deep down I haven't always had my full faith in him. I still don't.
Not really saying he is at fault for the goals. The defence on crosses have been terrible but I do still feel they don't trust him completely.
Gould has not been given any chance to stake a claim.
When TT does a good save or has 2 or 3 decent games he is then somehow immune from beng dropped for months/season even when is below par, like now.
I see other keepers make decent saves every game, commanding 90% of games, kicking not erractic but TT does make a lot of mistakes for a keeper.
Coburn was good nearly every game, albeit maybe not perfect on crosses.
For me, at this level we need a more mobile and consistent keeper.
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The way we play ie build from the back, we will concede goals from losing possession in bad areas. It happens to best.
Thompsons kicking get worse the windier it is funnily enough. It wouldn't surprise me if he got offered a full time gig next season.
White was poor last night and is way behind Hampson as it stands, but when you are getting limited game that gap will get bigger.
The peripheral players are a stuck, no CSC, reserve team or downward load deals mean very little game time.
I thought Harrison was ok last night
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I think we're being harsh on Andy White to be honest - he made a massive impact when he came on against Barnet, for example.
I'm sorry to say that all the fans of Byron Harrison's former employers can't be unanimously wrong.
We need to accept that - just like Fis, Jamie McDonald, Harrison etc - Piggott is a complete punt given his injuries. Same for Hardy.
No idea how feasible it is, however we should be moving heaven and earth to secure Dudley - apparently he's suffered in the past from not being given a fixed role, tell him he's our number 9 and ask him to crack on.
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Genuinely loving that we're dissecting performances after a narrow defeat away at Chesterfield and thinking about how we can turn it around when we're 10th in the conference.
Still can't quite believe where we are but in terms of the immediate last few games I think we have looked vulnerable from that clipped ball into the 6 yard box a few times this season. Possibly down to not getting close enough to the wingers as they advance into our final third. That coupled with missing the penalty and you're not going to get much at this level regardless of how good the performance was.
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Excerpt from the Derbyshire Times website:
Was it a penalty?
Yusifu Ceesay caused Chesterfield quite a few problems in the first half with his pace and trickery and he won a penalty when referee David Richardson decided that he had been brought down in the box by goalkeeper Smith. But the Spireites stopper dived to his right to keep out substitute Piggott’s spot-kick which some may say was justice. At best it looked like Smith might have brushed Ceesay’s ankles but there looked minimal contact. After the game James Rowe said that Altrincham manager Phil Parkinson agreed it was not a penalty. Thankfully it did not cost Town all three points.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Eu_DN65WYAEk5pu?format=jpg&name=large)
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I think we're being harsh on Andy White to be honest - he made a massive impact when he came on against Barnet, for example.
I'm sorry to say that all the fans of Byron Harrison's former employers can't be unanimously wrong.
We need to accept that - just like Fis, Jamie McDonald, Harrison etc - Piggott is a complete punt given his injuries. Same for Hardy.
No idea how feasible it is, however we should be moving heaven and earth to secure Dudley - apparently he's suffered in the past from not being given a fixed role, tell him he's our number 9 and ask him to crack on.
Agree with all of this
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Friend of mine is their forum moderator. Staunch supporter of 40 years home and away. He says they have signed 13 and team is unrecognisable from early season. He is expecting a comfortable win - so we need to turn up and do what we do best.....beat the odds on favourites
Friend was impressed with us as a team and thought we will do well this season. Praised Ceesay but was critical of a few including an ex-Spireite.
He asked me if anybody who attended the 97 Unibond final at Saltergate could recall the attendance ?
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Friend of mine is their forum moderator. Staunch supporter of 40 years home and away. He says they have signed 13 and team is unrecognisable from early season. He is expecting a comfortable win - so we need to turn up and do what we do best.....beat the odds on favourites
Friend was impressed with us as a team and thought we will do well this season. Praised Ceesay but was critical of a few including an ex-Spireite.
He asked me if anybody who attended the 97 Unibond final at Saltergate could recall the attendance ?
I wonder who you mean! If I can read my own writing from 23 years ago, the crowd, actually in 1998, was 1540.
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Thanks Sale
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I've got to say, from the photo Ceesay's legs look like they have crumpled under him. He's not in his natural stride is he?
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I've got to say, from the photo Ceesay's legs look like they have crumpled under him. He's not in his natural stride is he?
Whist its irrelevant, its good to discuss. Looks like keeper may have got the ball and the player, thus a penalty as awarded. The rest is frustrating history...
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Genuinely loving that we're dissecting performances after a narrow defeat away at Chesterfield and thinking about how we can turn it around when we're 10th in the conference.
Still can't quite believe where we are but in terms of the immediate last few games I think we have looked vulnerable from that clipped ball into the 6 yard box a few times this season. Possibly down to not getting close enough to the wingers as they advance into our final third. That coupled with missing the penalty and you're not going to get much at this level regardless of how good the performance was.
True, and I'm as guilty as most. We were going up a few weeks ago, and now we're going down (except we can't!)
If it wasn't for NLN players being available, I'd say sod the striker thing - I'd rather we gave it a proper go in the close season, rather than continuously try to stick a band aid on it.