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Title: Let Down
Post by: HashtagAlty on November 14, 2020, 08:26:38 PM
Several of our players - TT, Robins, Kosylo, Hampson, Senior, Miller are being let down by sub-par players and other performances.

Kosolo is Sean Miller in 2016/17 season and carrying us. The only player trying to make things happen.

(Mallarky, Sutton, Williams, Mooney aside for being out,)

Fisayo, Peers, Moult, Cisse, all need to step up or ship out and this where two year contracts are going to hurt us. The miss from Peers are 25 minutes and pathetic attmpt by him and Fisolo after Hampsons run sums them all up.

Hancock isn't much better either, but the key to his game is a strikers workfare.



Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: JD on November 14, 2020, 08:29:37 PM
Several of our players - TT, Robins, Kosylo, Hampson, Senior, Miller are being let down by sub-par players and other performances.

(Mallarky, Sutton, Williams, Mooney aside for being out,)

Fisolo, Peers, Moult, Hancock, Cisse all need to step up or ship out and this where two year contracts are going to hurt us.

Hancock, who was praised widely by the Dover commentators the other week) was injured today, as was Cisse!
Peers was arguably our best player imho(though without too much competition) against Solihull.

Fisayo, however, just does not seem up to this level.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: Seth on November 14, 2020, 08:57:03 PM
Who the heck's Fisolo?  ;D
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: wayno on November 14, 2020, 08:58:29 PM
I was stunned when after 10 minutes peers left his man either due to being tired or disinterested to lead to the first goal . That type of attitude is unacceptable. I can forgive players for not being quite good enough if they over compensate with effort
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: HashtagAlty on November 14, 2020, 09:00:24 PM
Several of our players - TT, Robins, Kosylo, Hampson, Senior, Miller are being let down by sub-par players and other performances.

(Mallarky, Sutton, Williams, Mooney aside for being out,)

Fisolo, Peers, Moult, Hancock, Cisse all need to step up or ship out and this where two year contracts are going to hurt us.

Hancock, who was praised widely by the Dover commentators the other week) was injured today, as was Cisse!
Peers was arguably our best player imho(though without too much competition) against Solihull.

Fisayo, however, just does not seem up to this level.

Our problems are bigger than just one game, Hancock has been below bar all season when he's featured.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: Steve from Sale on November 15, 2020, 08:35:49 AM
The loss of his sidekick, Jordan Hulme has not helped. The real reason is that we have yet to replace him. Suggest we give Jamie McDonald a decent go from the start, and maybe use Adarabioyo as an impact sub. We have to give all the new players time to gel. you cannot judge any new ones coming on for the last 15 mins.

Get our injury problems out of the way. We are too good a side to not improve, but we need to find the right type of player as soon as we can. He may be already with us, but we will come good. We need to find another Jordan Hulme sooner rather than later. The team has had too much disruption due to injuries and it will take time. Josh Hancock will be fine, as I say we are too good a side.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: AltyFan101 on November 15, 2020, 11:29:09 AM
Peers was our best player against Solihull and he had a decent game yesterday - if you want to judge performance purely by "if you miss a good chance you were dreadful" then by all means you do that but I barely remember him losing the ball at all yesterday and he was our best player aerially which was important considering how many times we went long.  I understand that people on here will never get rid of their anti-Peers agenda but please try to stop blaming him every time we lose.

Also don't understand the criticism of Moult, he hasn't done anything amazing yet but I wouldn't say he's played poorly?
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: hsmith1 on November 15, 2020, 11:32:40 AM
we seem to start the season off very slowly,then Dens comes into the team and we move forward.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: HashtagAlty on November 15, 2020, 11:33:22 AM
Peers was our best player against Solihull and he had a decent game yesterday - if you want to judge performance purely by "if you miss a good chance you were dreadful" then by all means you do that but I barely remember him losing the ball at all yesterday and he was our best player aerially which was important considering how many times we went long.  I understand that people on here will never get rid of their anti-Peers agenda but please try to stop blaming him every time we lose.

Also don't understand the criticism of Moult, he hasn't done anything amazing yet but I wouldn't say he's played poorly?

His job is to take the chances we create; when it matters. This post isn't just about yesterday but a reflection of the season so far. Mallarky didn't play yesterday either, nor Mooney.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 15, 2020, 11:39:57 AM
maybe use Adarabioyo as an impact sub.

On the evidence so far it would be like a General ordering his troops to throw water bombs once the ammunition had run out.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: rorysgrandad on November 15, 2020, 11:41:52 AM
The loss of his sidekick, Jordan Hulme has not helped. The real reason is that we have yet to replace him. Suggest we give Jamie McDonald a decent go from the start, and maybe use Adarabioyo as an impact sub. We have to give all the new players time to gel. you cannot judge any new ones coming on for the last 15 mins.

Get our injury problems out of the way. We are too good a side to not improve, but we need to find the right type of player as soon as we can. He may be already with us, but we will come good. We need to find another Jordan Hulme sooner rather than later. The team has had too much disruption due to injuries and it will take time. Josh Hancock will be fine, as I say we are too good a side.
What Steve said👌
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: Jeff on November 15, 2020, 11:57:15 AM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: rorysgrandad on November 15, 2020, 12:52:32 PM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
There’s a big, big difference from Young’s time. Young hadn’t gathered any squad together at all, then had that group of players decimated by injury. Young just recycled rubbish with further rubbish. The only reason PP has brought loan players in is because he’s been forced to by injuries to his highly capable squad. The three new loanees he had available yesterday hadn’t had a trading session with the other players and were thrown in the deep end through desperate necessity. Neil Young was playing preseason games months after the season had started. Chalk and cheese.



Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on November 15, 2020, 02:25:35 PM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
There’s a big, big difference from Young’s time. Young hadn’t gathered any squad together at all, then had that group of players decimated by injury. Young just recycled rubbish with further rubbish. The only reason PP has brought loan players in is because he’s been forced to by injuries to his highly capable squad. The three new loanees he had available yesterday hadn’t had a trading session with the other players and were thrown in the deep end through desperate necessity.

 Neil Young was playing preseason games months after the season had started. Chalk and cheese.



Neil Young actually only lasted the first three weeks of the 2016/17 season as Alty's manager.

He was sacked after six league matches, the first three of which resulted in draws. That 6-0 home defeat by AFC Fylde prompted a total meltdown.
 
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: rorysgrandad on November 15, 2020, 03:13:40 PM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
There’s a big, big difference from Young’s time. Young hadn’t gathered any squad together at all, then had that group of players decimated by injury. Young just recycled rubbish with further rubbish. The only reason PP has brought loan players in is because he’s been forced to by injuries to his highly capable squad. The three new loanees he had available yesterday hadn’t had a trading session with the other players and were thrown in the deep end through desperate necessity.

 Neil Young was playing preseason games months after the season had started. Chalk and cheese.



Neil Young actually only lasted the first three weeks of the 2016/17 season as Alty's manager.

He was sacked after six league matches, the first three of which resulted in draws. That 6-0 home defeat by AFC Fylde prompted a total meltdown.
it just seemed like months😱
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on November 15, 2020, 03:20:38 PM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
There’s a big, big difference from Young’s time. Young hadn’t gathered any squad together at all, then had that group of players decimated by injury. Young just recycled rubbish with further rubbish. The only reason PP has brought loan players in is because he’s been forced to by injuries to his highly capable squad. The three new loanees he had available yesterday hadn’t had a trading session with the other players and were thrown in the deep end through desperate necessity.

 Neil Young was playing preseason games months after the season had started. Chalk and cheese.



Neil Young actually only lasted the first three weeks of the 2016/17 season as Alty's manager.

He was sacked after six league matches, the first three of which resulted in draws. That 6-0 home defeat by AFC Fylde prompted a total meltdown.

Oh god, that game. I vividly remember Young hadn't signed a left back for some bizarre reason and was using his coach Simon Garner at wing back. He was run ragged by two Fylde wide players miles faster than him and after the game Young moaned about a lack of work-rate. Thank god Jim Harvey came to rescue us...
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: MarpleAlty on November 15, 2020, 03:23:58 PM
The damage Neil Young did to us in such a short period of time is still hard to fathom now, to be honest.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: rorysgrandad on November 15, 2020, 03:25:16 PM
Reminds me of when young was in charge. He Kept bringing in players to fill gaps and most of those were not good enough. If you get beat at this level so what if your full squad has given there all but at moment I can’t see it. I have watched all games before anyone asks and we look shaky. How many goals do we need to give away by messing about at the back. We are not a top premiership team we Alty. Let man up and get going.
There’s a big, big difference from Young’s time. Young hadn’t gathered any squad together at all, then had that group of players decimated by injury. Young just recycled rubbish with further rubbish. The only reason PP has brought loan players in is because he’s been forced to by injuries to his highly capable squad. The three new loanees he had available yesterday hadn’t had a trading session with the other players and were thrown in the deep end through desperate necessity.

 Neil Young was playing preseason games months after the season had started. Chalk and cheese.



Neil Young actually only lasted the first three weeks of the 2016/17 season as Alty's manager.

He was sacked after six league matches, the first three of which resulted in draws. That 6-0 home defeat by AFC Fylde prompted a total meltdown.

Oh god, that game. I vividly remember Young hadn't signed a left back for some bizarre reason and was using his coach Simon Garner at wing back. He was run ragged by two Fylde wide players miles faster than him and after the game Young moaned about a lack of work-rate. Thank god Jim Harvey came to rescue us...
Thank god Jim Harvey came to rescue us...
We were poor.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 15, 2020, 07:08:18 PM
The Fylde game alone seemed like months ! On the asset side of Young's balance sheet, he signed Tom Hannigan. Whether that offset the two woeful goalkeepers he brought in is open to debate.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: JD on November 15, 2020, 08:28:04 PM
Peers was our best player against Solihull and he had a decent game yesterday - if you want to judge performance purely by "if you miss a good chance you were dreadful" then by all means you do that but I barely remember him losing the ball at all yesterday and he was our best player aerially which was important considering how many times we went long.  I understand that people on here will never get rid of their anti-Peers agenda but please try to stop blaming him every time we lose.

Also don't understand the criticism of Moult, he hasn't done anything amazing yet but I wouldn't say he's played poorly?

Indeed.

i will admit I am not peers' greatest fan as a front line forward, but he does getr important goals and has impressed very much this last week
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: JD on November 15, 2020, 08:29:17 PM
The loss of his sidekick, Jordan Hulme has not helped. The real reason is that we have yet to replace him. Suggest we give Jamie McDonald a decent go from the start, and maybe use Adarabioyo as an impact sub. We have to give all the new players time to gel. you cannot judge any new ones coming on for the last 15 mins.

Get our injury problems out of the way. We are too good a side to not improve, but we need to find the right type of player as soon as we can. He may be already with us, but we will come good. We need to find another Jordan Hulme sooner rather than later. The team has had too much disruption due to injuries and it will take time. Josh Hancock will be fine, as I say we are too good a side.

This!

I thought all our newbies did a decent job yesterday.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: cheshire cat on November 15, 2020, 09:01:54 PM
Tom Hannigan looked like he was made from glass when he arrived but his career has really turned around. I hope some of the newer recruits come good to the same extent.

I'm still optimistic. I remember the recent dark days when no one wanted the ball. I don't see that at all at the moment. We just need a break and not of the bone kind. Hopefully Tuesday.
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: wayno on November 15, 2020, 11:34:36 PM
Peers was our best player against Solihull and he had a decent game yesterday - if you want to judge performance purely by "if you miss a good chance you were dreadful" then by all means you do that but I barely remember him losing the ball at all yesterday and he was our best player aerially which was important considering how many times we went long.  I understand that people on here will never get rid of their anti-Peers agenda but please try to stop blaming him every time we lose.

Also don't understand the criticism of Moult, he hasn't done anything amazing yet but I wouldn't say he's played poorly?
I recommend watching the build up to the first goal when the highlights appear
Title: Re: Let Down
Post by: AltyFan101 on November 16, 2020, 12:02:21 AM
Here are the highlights - https://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/match-info/match-centre/1-6405290 (ftp://www.thenationalleague.org.uk/match-info/match-centre/1-6405290)

I think it is harsh to blame Peers for the goal but can see where you are coming from in the sense that he lost his man for a brief second and the guy then goes onto score but come on, that is something you will see from most forwards at this level, especially part-time and I don't think there is much to be made from that.  I personally think it is more a well-worked goal than a defensive error although I stand with what I said previously about TT being slightly too far over - something that he can look and learn from for sure.