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Title: Bootham Crescent
Post by: John Edwards on July 21, 2020, 02:54:00 PM
There's exciting news of an enterprising Alty initiative on the official club website now..
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Hale Alty on July 21, 2020, 03:46:48 PM
The game is supposed to be held behind closed doors and we are basically selling tickets to fans. It's not even our ground. We've raised thousands of pounds so that players and staff can be tested yet we offering the opportunity for untested people to go into the ground if they pay. I don't think this reflects very well on the club to be honest.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: andrewflynn on July 21, 2020, 04:09:00 PM
The game is supposed to be held behind closed doors and we are basically selling tickets to fans. It's not even our ground. We've raised thousands of pounds so that players and staff can be tested yet we offering the opportunity for untested people to go into the ground if they pay. I don't think this reflects very well on the club to be honest.

How it reflects on the club is entirely your prerogative and I'm sure there will be some conflicting opinion on this idea from the club, but speaking factually, the 'untested people' are confined to one area of the ground called the 'Amber Zone' while the players and staff have their 'Red Zone.' They are forbidden from mixing. No one in the 'Amber Zone' is required to be tested bar a temperature check upon entry.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Hale Alty on July 21, 2020, 04:15:28 PM
Andrew there are strict rules about these games being played behind closed doors, yet we are allowing people to pay to get in. Can't you see the conflict there?
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 21, 2020, 04:26:26 PM
Andrew there are strict rules about these games being played behind closed doors, yet we are allowing people to pay to get in. Can't you see the conflict there?

There were bloggers at the home game, I'm sure they weren't exactly essential.

Behind closed doors just means no large crowded; how many "fans" can you hear on the Brackley highlights. I'm sure the media aren't that arsed about brackley scoring.

Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: andrewflynn on July 21, 2020, 04:26:38 PM
Andrew there are strict rules about these games being played behind closed doors, yet we are allowing people to pay to get in. Can't you see the conflict there?

I am neither defending, nor advocating for the club's initiative. I am simply stating the facts about the match day operation in response to your point raised on our COVID-19 testing.

On Sunday, myself, media and guests of both clubs couldn't get anywhere near the players. We were placed in an allocated, socially distanced seating arrangement. We were encouraged to stay in these seats as much as possible. It is a fact that the majority of people going into the ground for these fixtures are indeed untested. I had a temperature check upon entry and I had to fill in a health history questionnaire prior to my arrival.

I am sure that if many share your view then the club will have to reconsider the initiative here, and I am sure that they would be happy to do so in that case; but it is my understanding that directors have given up seats in the interest of fundraising. So the seats taken up by the winners would be part of the allocated seating arrangement I described above.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: ManagementGuru on July 21, 2020, 05:03:05 PM
Thank you for your feedback - I will try to provide some clarity.  Each club; home and away are allowed 10 "guests" - these include the Directors and Officials of the club not formally involved in match day activities.  It is at each clubs entire discretion who these 10 guests are.  They are, as Andrew says, very strictly confined to the Amber Zone and are not allowed into the Red Zone (Pitch, Dressing Rooms, and the like) under any circumstances.  People in the Amber Zone are not required to be tested but must complete a medical questionnaire, have a temperature check and not be displaying any symptoms.

We worked very hard with the League, the FA and the local Council to get the Chester game staged, and to have the opportunity to go to York.  We (including me personally) understand the rules and regulations - both football and medical - around the staging of these matches very well.  This has been our prime focus in the weeks leading up to the announcement of the playoffs and our qualifying to be able to take part.  Specifically, if our protocols for match day were not well enough defined or properly executed we would not have been allowed to move to "Stage 3" which is the holding of matches.

We have two Directors who are not able to attend, and we have verified that these two places could be made available to our fans at our discretion.  And that is what we are looking to do here.  If there is strong negative feedback, we will shelve this initiative and not take up our full complement for the visit to York.

But please be assured that we would not jeopardise the health of our players, staff and supporters and their families for the sake of "a quick buck".  In fact  there are decisions that we have already taken behind the scenes in the run up to the Chester game, and the game itself that could have made our life more difficult but have been the right thing to do for the security of our players and staff.   
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 21, 2020, 05:27:45 PM
I think it's a great idea - the only other way to do it would be for them to go to a local NHS/key worker fan, but at least the club haven't just given it to anyone.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RockyRobin on July 21, 2020, 06:08:48 PM
Nobody panic we have professionals at the helm.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: CRT Butty on July 21, 2020, 08:37:26 PM
If we score at York, and I am in the directors box, am I allowed to go loopadally crazzzzzeee like normal?
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: distancetraveller on July 21, 2020, 08:37:40 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland. 

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Hale Alty on July 21, 2020, 08:43:54 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: B. 4D on July 21, 2020, 11:00:05 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Is this it? on July 21, 2020, 11:05:47 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

Having read Bill’s comprehensive and clearly written statement on how the Club has approached this matter and, crucially, all others relevant to getting the game played, i am entirely happy that protocols have been addressed appropriately.  Based on my  own experience in the education sector, as well as what I have heard from friends employed in the health sector, implementing guidelines successfully has been incredibly challenging; from what I can tell the Club has done as much as could have been expected to ensure everyone’s safety.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Bath Alty on July 21, 2020, 11:20:35 PM
Frankly you’ll be safer at the ground like this than in the pub watching it so I dont think there can be any complaints on health and safety grounds. 
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: AltyRobin on July 22, 2020, 12:41:59 AM
I have been told to shield by the nhs and government until the end of July. I would love to go and watch the game at York but I am following the health guidelines set out during the pandemic. With the world very pro equality at the moment this doesn’t feel very inclusive for people like me who have to shield.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Mick on July 22, 2020, 03:27:56 AM
Great initiative by the club and no H&S issues whatsoever.

One day I see footballs' being 'cleaned' at premiership games and people sat completely alone in a vast stand in masks - the next day I see hundreds of people on a tram going to work and queuing in supermarkets.....it all makes no sense, I wont be the judge here, but either there is a big risk or there isn't ?

For those shielding etc, I understand your point, but the club needs take every opportunity it can - if inclusivity was the only consideration then I would agree, but there are many other factors involved.....I would be much happier to visit Moss Lane with 1100 others and space out in thevopen air than watch on TV in a pub

Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RockyRobin on July 22, 2020, 07:11:50 AM
I have been told to shield by the nhs and government until the end of July. I would love to go and watch the game at York but I am following the health guidelines set out during the pandemic. With the world very pro equality at the moment this doesn’t feel very inclusive for people like me who have to shield.

So by that logic we all should be shielding in case we upset you?
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: CRT Butty on July 22, 2020, 07:42:45 AM
I'll have a couple of goes. We're outside - I've been to the pub, eaten out, working again and do the weekly shopping in a shop. Happily sit outside watching Alty. There's a lot more control over who goes where +based on the info provided) than at Lidl.

Come on Alty.

Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 22, 2020, 07:59:53 AM
Maybe this a chance to add some diversity to our board...
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 22, 2020, 08:02:53 AM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: beaker141 on July 22, 2020, 09:05:49 AM


I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage....

Oh - I thought you said Blaggers  :D
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: AltyRobin on July 22, 2020, 09:06:35 AM
I have been told to shield by the nhs and government until the end of July. I would love to go and watch the game at York but I am following the health guidelines set out during the pandemic. With the world very pro equality at the moment this doesn’t feel very inclusive for people like me who have to shield.

So by that logic we all should be shielding in case we upset you?

The ‘logic’ is that people shielding are at a far greater risk of serious health complications or death if they catch the virus. I was making the point that some people can’t enter due to health reasons, through no fault of their own, which isn’t fair. I’m not upset by the idea I just don’t think it’s a very good one. If two directors can’t go then just 8 people go, don’t take 10 people just because you can.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RockyRobin on July 22, 2020, 09:13:12 AM
I’m on holiday so I don’t think it’s fair that the game is going ahead in holiday season as I can’t go.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Brian Flynn on July 22, 2020, 12:26:43 PM
Andrew there are strict rules about these games being played behind closed doors, yet we are allowing people to pay to get in. Can't you see the conflict there?

There were bloggers at the home game, I'm sure they weren't exactly essential.

Behind closed doors just means no large crowded; how many "fans" can you hear on the Brackley highlights. I'm sure the media aren't that arsed about brackley scoring.



There weren't any bloggers at the game on Sunday.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Brian Flynn on July 22, 2020, 12:44:38 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.


Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 22, 2020, 01:26:33 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: nimeta on July 22, 2020, 06:22:30 PM
the whole thing is messed up. It's not the clubs fault, so we have to just relax and let these times pass. They will be over soon enough, but not soon enough ro satisfy our natural impatience.

For example, we can pile into a pub and watch the game indoors with limited controls. But the club is only allowed 10 invites including directors in a whole outdoor stadium, and those 10 have to fill in questionaires and have temperature checks too, presumably to protect some 20+ year old guys running on a pitch. And where is the amber zone in a pub? Anyone bothered to fly lately ?? No amber zones on the airplanes thats for sure!! And nowhere near similar controls to protect the fat bastard running the previously mentioned pub. Nor the people in Tesco, Lidl etc...

My view is that we are lucky that we even got the play offs given the lunacy of H&S these days. Everything is kinda illogical if you compare it to everything else, but in the grand scheme of things, we are just lucky to be playing York next week, and even luckier that nobody asks too many difficult questions about how 10 men managed to pull 2 goals back on Sunday lol.

My glass is half full tonight (literally), but I remain hugely optimistic towards Alty these days. And I wasn't one of the "10" lol


Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 22, 2020, 07:51:42 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland. 

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on July 22, 2020, 09:37:43 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland. 

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 22, 2020, 09:42:52 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RageAgainstTheFirstTeam on July 22, 2020, 10:34:30 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 22, 2020, 10:58:02 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: distancetraveller on July 22, 2020, 11:54:45 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 23, 2020, 03:35:48 AM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”

Tain?  The men of Tain, where the whisky comes from,!!
Good choice, and have a lovely time
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: distancetraveller on July 23, 2020, 11:07:14 AM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”

Tain?  The men of Tain, where the whisky comes from,!!
Good choice, and have a lovely time

Cheers JD
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: RockyRobin on July 23, 2020, 02:48:28 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”

I have family in Helensburgh, the web tightens!
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: CRT Butty on July 23, 2020, 05:32:43 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”

I have family in Helensburgh, the web tightens!

We're all off to Scotland!
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 23, 2020, 06:46:45 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland.  

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.

Strange you say that, I was on Cumbrae on Saturday (not golfing).

Blimey! If only I'd known! What were you doing here?

I live in Paisley these days so it's an easy day trip by bus to Largs and then ferry across.

My God, there's another Alty fan in Largs too! Three of us up here!!!!!
My daughter loves shopping in Paisley - there's a comic shop near the station and oriental shop at the top of the main shopping street she likes!
Thanks for the info on Millport JD but we are heading further North. Playing at Auchterarder then onwards to Tain and then Bonar Bridge, plus a couple of others up in that area. My partner used to live up there.

As for Largs Golf club I regularly played there when I lived in Helensburgh. Super course. I have  been there since as it had a reciprocal arrangement with my club “Shrewsbury Golf Club”

I have family in Helensburgh, the web tightens!

We're all off to Scotland!

Just be careful, Sturgeon will put you all in quarantine!
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Brian Flynn on July 23, 2020, 07:38:38 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.

Yes, they were, but NL-Full Time is a Podcast, not a blog.


Additional spot?

Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Number23 on July 23, 2020, 08:38:04 PM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland. 

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.
I know Cumbrae from my uni days. Visited the Marine Biological Station there a few times. Years later I visited Greenock for work a few times and stayed in Largs.
Terrific part of the world.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 23, 2020, 09:09:22 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.

Yes, they were, but NL-Full Time is a Podcast, not a blog.


Additional spot?


I'm not going to to continue going back and forth.I'd rather concentrate on York.

You made a point above that no Twitter account attended but they did. They live tweeted the game. Whether they make a podcast or not after, it was a twitter account enjoying the game, one that fans couldn't attend but plenty of other media (BD40) did.

Finally, I corrected my use of blog with "twitter with a podcast" previous post. Happy to chat together further at the next public-attended match.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: JD on July 24, 2020, 12:53:33 AM
Fair do’s to Bill. He has taken the time to explain the situation regards sticking to COVID protocols . All the club is doing is taking the opportunity to make a few quid for the good and benefit of the Club.

If this gives the opportunity for an Alty fan to get to Bootham Crescent then fair enough.

If people disagree with the initiative then don’t buy a ticket.. if anybody does buy a ticket, then Good Luck

Personally I will miss the game on Saturday and the final in Aug as I am on holiday golfing in Scotland. 

Good luck to all the players and staff at Alty.

I strongly recommend Millport Golf Club on the Island of Cumbrae. Nick Faldo once played the course deciding you need one leg longer than the other (or was it shorter?) and it has cracking views.
I know Cumbrae from my uni days. Visited the Marine Biological Station there a few times. Years later I visited Greenock for work a few times and stayed in Largs.
Terrific part of the world.

The Marine Biological Station is an amazing place. The research they have done is historical and extraordinary.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Hugh on July 24, 2020, 01:56:34 AM
For me, if there has been any controversy, it was the Brackley -Gateshead match where a substantial number of home supporters watched over the fence etc.  chanting and shouting, even banging a drum. Whether or not it made a difference, one set of supporters was represented and not the other. With these playoffs apparently not having been considered for the crowds return pilots ( because these football fans are just not county cricket supporters don't you know), if it ws up to me, I would let a token amount of supporters from each side attend the match to prevent such a farce. I can't see that 20 Chester supporters (or whatever) on the Chequers end will be very risky.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: CRT Butty on July 24, 2020, 09:51:15 AM
For me, if there has been any controversy, it was the Brackley -Gateshead match where a substantial number of home supporters watched over the fence etc.  chanting and shouting, even banging a drum. Whether or not it made a difference, one set of supporters was represented and not the other. With these playoffs apparently not having been considered for the crowds return pilots ( because these football fans are just not county cricket supporters don't you know), if it ws up to me, I would let a token amount of supporters from each side attend the match to prevent such a farce. I can't see that 20 Chester supporters (or whatever) on the Chequers end will be very risky.

Fully agreed. I would have gone further than that for the Leeds and Liverpool presentations. These could have been done on Sunday morning, a few hundred or so season ticket holders pulled randomly from a hat. Fans in grounds has to happen at some point, those could have been trials.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Timperley The Best on July 24, 2020, 11:37:13 AM
You would think with  the fa cup starting in August and some leagues starting on September 5 they  will annouce small crowds will be allowed very shortly
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Brian Flynn on July 24, 2020, 06:14:59 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.

Yes, they were, but NL-Full Time is a Podcast, not a blog.


Additional spot?


I'm not going to to continue going back and forth.I'd rather concentrate on York.

You made a point above that no Twitter account attended but they did. They live tweeted the game. Whether they make a podcast or not after, it was a twitter account enjoying the game, one that fans couldn't attend but plenty of other media (BD40) did.

Finally, I corrected my use of blog with "twitter with a podcast" previous post. Happy to chat together further at the next public-attended match.

We would all rather concentrate on York & happy to chat at the next opportunity, but it is important that the facts are stated here.
There were NO bloggers at the game last Sunday & there were NO twitter accounts. To repeat, NL-Full Time is a podcast, that has, like all podcasts, a twitter account.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: HashtagAlty on July 24, 2020, 11:01:13 PM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.

Yes, they were, but NL-Full Time is a Podcast, not a blog.


Additional spot?


I'm not going to to continue going back and forth.I'd rather concentrate on York.

You made a point above that no Twitter account attended but they did. They live tweeted the game. Whether they make a podcast or not after, it was a twitter account enjoying the game, one that fans couldn't attend but plenty of other media (BD40) did.

Finally, I corrected my use of blog with "twitter with a podcast" previous post. Happy to chat together further at the next public-attended match.

We would all rather concentrate on York & happy to chat at the next opportunity, but it is important that the facts are stated here.
There were NO bloggers at the game last Sunday & there were NO twitter accounts. To repeat, NL-Full Time is a podcast, that has, like all podcasts, a twitter account.

Brian, you can't say no twitter accounts were there, it's not true.

An account on twitter, whether used to promote a podcast or tweet about all things non league, is still a Twitter account and spent Saturday live tweeting the entire game. I've already agreed on my very first reply it was a twitter and podcast not a blog.

Lets just leave it at we're not going to agree.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Brian Flynn on July 25, 2020, 06:35:30 AM
"The tie may be behind closed doors and out of bounds to supporters of both clubs...." it says on the club website.

I think this means that anyone who doesn't need to be there shouldn't be there. The club isn't obliged to take ten guests.

Let's try and remember why games are being played behind closed doors, and what it is intended to achieve.

Selling the spare places doesn't fit right to me.

I would like to say I was working at the club on Sunday, but I’ve never seen that many from the media before.
How many reports from all these media people have we seen on T V , papers etc.
If we are allowed, go for it.

I was very disappointed to see a fair few bloggers manage to get an press pass into the game. Twitter accounts with only 1000 followers with little interest in our team before today getting to watch live was disappointed.

Hopefully we set a better criteria should we host s final.

No need to be disappointed, there weren't any bloggers at Sunday's game.

Neither were there any twitter accounts. If there had been, then the number of followers is irrelevant anyway & wouldn't have been one of the criteria used to decide if anyone could attend.

Happy to hear your thoughts on a better criterion or better criteria, should we host the final.



NL Full Time, the twitter account and podcast, were live-tweeting the game from the main stand, Brian.

I understand there'll be much interest from all "levels" of media, especially given the lack of live sport, from the true amateurs to the BBC and media. However, I would have thought given we were behind closed doors, that we'd have some minimum level of coverage (See BD40's point about articles) we'd expect to receive for the additional spot in the ground.

I can imagine that York fans are equally cross that we can offer entry to two fans, whilst many of their home and away regulars will potentially their final competitive fixture at their ground.

On the whole, I'm glad so many of our deserving volunteers, who by continuing to do their jobs, got the witness the game live in some capacity. In fact, Mr Ford's early cameo just before kickoff spraying the net (a sign of the times) provided some much need light relief as the tension before kick-off.

At least a raffle prevents friends of the club talking about their invitation to a behind closed door game on Twitter, whether they attended or not.

Yes, they were, but NL-Full Time is a Podcast, not a blog.


Additional spot?


I'm not going to to continue going back and forth.I'd rather concentrate on York.

You made a point above that no Twitter account attended but they did. They live tweeted the game. Whether they make a podcast or not after, it was a twitter account enjoying the game, one that fans couldn't attend but plenty of other media (BD40) did.

Finally, I corrected my use of blog with "twitter with a podcast" previous post. Happy to chat together further at the next public-attended match.

We would all rather concentrate on York & happy to chat at the next opportunity, but it is important that the facts are stated here.
There were NO bloggers at the game last Sunday & there were NO twitter accounts. To repeat, NL-Full Time is a podcast, that has, like all podcasts, a twitter account.

Brian, you can't say no twitter accounts were there, it's not true.

An account on twitter, whether used to promote a podcast or tweet about all things non league, is still a Twitter account and spent Saturday live tweeting the entire game. I've already agreed on my very first reply it was a twitter and podcast not a blog.

Lets just leave it at we're not going to agree.

Jack, yes I can, it is true.

If NL-Full Time is a twitter account, so is the Non-League Paper, BBC Radio Merseyside, The Chester Chronicle, The Chester Standard, Altrincham FC, Chester FC, Sportradar, Dee Radio, etc.If this is the case, there were about 20 twitter accounts there on Sunday.

NL Full-Time is a podcast that has a twitter account in just the same way that The Chester Chronicle is a Newspaper that has a twitter account, Dee Radio is a commercial radio station that has a twitter account & Altrincham FC is a football club that has a twitter account.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on July 25, 2020, 01:09:15 PM



This extended discourse between Brian Flynn and Jack Jolly is redolent of that epic fourth set tie-break between Bjorn Borg and John McEnroe in the 1980 Wimbledon Men's Singles final.
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: Saughall Robin on July 25, 2020, 02:12:17 PM
Love All! 😉 🤗
Title: Re: Bootham Crescent
Post by: B. 4D on July 25, 2020, 11:58:48 PM



This extended discourse between Brian Flynn and Jack Jolly is redolent of that epic fourth set tie-break between Bjorn Borg and John McEnroe in the 1980 Wimbledon Men's Singles final.

That is funny Barry , it was a classic 🤣, both the discussion and that game