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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Timperley The Best on March 14, 2020, 10:19:15 AM
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Will the season be null and void ? unlikely with around 3/4 of the fixtures played. Will the remaining games be payed? I doubt it .What will happen with promotion places?Let the top two go up ?
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Here's an idea for promotion in our league:
Take the top eight teams and let each of the other 14 clubs vote for the final standings of the top eight. 1st gets automatic promotion and 2-7 gets play off places to be played as soon as possible.
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Hmmmm....how did it work for us, last time we had a vote between clubs.....
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If everybody plays three games a week from mid April to early May it'll work. Providing, of course, that the crisis is over a month from now.
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Worst case scenario...
Scrap all cup and European games.
Pools panel adjudication on all remaining league games.
Season ends.
Clears up in next six weeks of so.
Scrap play offs and European games.
League games squashed in a bit.
Cup, vase and trophy if possible.
Top two up / down.
Season ends
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If everybody plays three games a week from mid April to early May it'll work. Providing, of course, that the crisis is over a month from now.
Personally I would be happy to watch footy in June if it came to it.
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If everybody plays three games a week from mid April to early May it'll work. Providing, of course, that the crisis is over a month from now.
3 games is far to much personally Iwould be happy to watch footy in June if it came to it
Can't we why not. It would act as a tester to see if summer footy works or not.
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It’s all a total guess at this stage but mine, for what it’s worth, is that we’ll finish this season sometime in the late summer or autumn, take a short break then play a curtailed season (maybe only playing each team in the league once?) to get us back to normal for the 21/22 season.
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If the season IS declared null and void, there will be some big winners and losers. Liverpool - well that’s just hilarious, but conversely reprieves for the likes of Stevenage and BPA. And what would happen to Macclesfield’s points deduction? If in effect the games are chalked off, then can they be deemed to have defaulted?
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I can see five options for the league to take: carrying on with the season as normal (as soon as possible), implementing an average points system, top two and bottom two up/down, voiding the season, or some sort of combined/cumulative two year season that goes into 20/21. I would rank these options as follows in order of preference for the club (presuming the ultimate goal is promotion this season):
1. League carries on (chance of 2nd/3rd)
2. Average points, play offs played ASAP (home tie in the play off quarter finals)
3. Cumulative season into 20/21 (at lest it helps our chances of promotion next year)
4. Voided season/ top two, bottom two (doesn't help promotion next year)
If an average points system is implemented, this is how the top eight will be ranked:
1. Kings Lynn (2.06)
2. York (1.94)
3. Boston (1.81)
4. Brackley (1.78, 34GD)
5. Altrincham (1.78, 22GD)
6. Chester (1.69)
7. Gateshead (1.68)
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8. Spennymoor (1.58)
This would mean we played Chester at home in the play-offs sometime in the summer (would be interesting) and if we won, would face a trip to York.
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2 points:
If the season has to continue (at our level) after the normal end of season will we have the players?. Many contracts end in May and many players will also have arranged holidays.
If any final league positions are decided by committee there will be every chance of legal action and compensation claims from clubs that feel hard done by. This could be costly and I doubt any new season could start until the legal claims have been finalised.
Either the end part of the season will have to be severely condensed with multiple games a week or the season will be deemed null and void - teams rewarded on their current positions - and we start from scratch again next Autumn.
No resolution is entirely satisfactory to anyone in all honesty.
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I can't see things being sorted out by autumn.
At the moment the official number of carriers is around a 1000 but in reality its likely to be higher. Experts say that every case will pass it on to three others so that means 3000 by next Saturday, 9000 the Saturday after then 27K, 78K etc. There's 60 million of us so it's going to take a fair while before this has run its course.
Meanwhile the government is trying to slow down the rate of it spreading but isn't prepared to do the total lockdown like they've got in China, Italy etc. so don't hold your breath.
The chairman of Rochdale was on TV saying they will be in trouble if they don't play their remaining home games. I think they're a well run club so it's going to get very messy. Lots of club in a worse position financially than they are.
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I can't see things being sorted out by autumn.
At the moment the official number of carriers is around a 1000 but in reality its likely to be higher. Experts say that every case will pass it on to three others so that means 3000 by next Saturday, 9000 the Saturday after then 27K, 78K etc. There's 60 million of us so it's going to take a fair while before this has run its course.
Meanwhile the government is trying to slow down the rate of it spreading but isn't prepared to do the total lockdown like they've got in China, Italy etc. so don't hold your breath.
The chairman of Rochdale was on TV saying they will be in trouble if they don't play their remaining home games. I think they're a well run club so it's going to get very messy. Lots of club in a worse position financially than they are.
I've seen Chester fans have set up a site for non-season ticket holders to donate money towards the club which isn't a bad idea.
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This is quite a radical suggestion.
We close down the season immediately (all leagues). No promotion or relegation.
When things settle down sufficiently, we merge the outstanding fixtures with a full season's matches, so that we have a double season. When it's all over, promotion and relegation can proceed.
The major drawback is whether some of the clubs will survive the hiatus (Macclesfield are an obvious example) and the records of these teams' games would need to be expunged.
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It needs something like that but I can't see Liverpool being happy about it.
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Interesting to note that all levels of rugby league games are still taking place - with the exception of any involving international travel.
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It needs something like that but I can't see Liverpool being happy about it.
Or wba and leeds.
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It would make a lot of clubs unhappy, but you can't please all of the people all of the time. It would have quite the opposite effect at Bolton. And I won't be feeling sorry for Leeds any time soon.
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All games should now played behind closed doors to finish the season off. Otherwise the players and management efforts over the season will have all been for nothing.
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All games should now played behind closed doors to finish the season off. Otherwise the players and management efforts over the season will have all been for nothing.
Unfortunately that won't work where the virus has already affected the staff at a fair number of clubs.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-51987893
3 portsmouth players test posative
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51976530
It's tough with no sport as such to get into. The June date may be too early but what a boost to those still self isolating then. Pick a club and get involved.
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I really can't see National League clubs playing again this season with contracts for players ending at the latest early May .Even starting next season in August is optimistic with this not expected to peak until June or July .
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I really can't see National League clubs playing again this season with contracts for players ending at the latest early May .Even starting next season in August is optimistic with this not expected to peak until June or July .
I do accept that. I know I need positivity to get me through all this, and even the prospect of League of Ireland footy in June would be a great thing to many. It would be a step in getting some sense of normality back.
Chins up Alty.
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The Highland League have declared their season over and handed the title to Brora Rangers, 13 points clear at the top. Will other leagues follow suit?
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The Highland League have declared their season over and handed the title to Brora Rangers, 13 points clear at the top. Will other leagues follow suit?
Makes sense. Bit closer in the lowland league, though it hardly matters really. There will be no play-off or promotion this season.
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The Highland League have declared their season over and handed the title to Brora Rangers, 13 points clear at the top. Will other leagues follow suit?
Makes sense. Bit closer in the lowland league, though it hardly matters really. There will be no play-off or promotion this season.
I wouldn't be so sure on there being no promotion, but we shall wait and see.
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The Highland League have declared their season over and handed the title to Brora Rangers, 13 points clear at the top. Will other leagues follow suit?
Makes sense. Bit closer in the lowland league, though it hardly matters really. There will be no play-off or promotion this season.
I wouldn't be so sure on there being no promotion, but we shall wait and see.
We shall. Not that it matters in the scheme of things.
Keep well Robins.
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Maybe top 2 promoted and no clubs relegated still same numbers come up and operate with 24 next season
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One school of thought would be to complete this season when time allows say August/September through to say October/November and as far as the 2020/21 season goes just play each team once. Not ideal but at least there would be 2 seasons. SBL
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I agree with SBL.
The weird play once only season should count for titles, the cups would remain valid, but no promotion or relegation. That's a season of stock taking, cooperation and thankfulness.
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Have they even decided how they redress the imbalance in the National League, given that two are going up and one coming down?
I assume the plan at the AGM would have been to reprieve fourth from bottom, and send the imbalance down to Step 2 (47 clubs given the restructure), which I suppose gives one team the chance to choose which side they're in.
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One thing I did think would be good fun - across all levels - would be the following:
Split the teams into 4 groups of 6 (assuming we'll be running with 24 teams next season), with a seeded draw based on eventual league positions (1st-4th = pot 1, 5-9th = pot 2 etc).
Play a mini-league system, which would account for 10 fixtures from New Year to spring.
Top 2 go into an 8-team knockout with winners of A playing runners up B, usual tournament format etc - either two-legged or one-off games at the home of the group winner, whatever.
Two-legged semis, and a final at a neutral venue to determine one promotion spot for the shortened season.
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How about (if we can't finish this season) no promotions or relegations...
Start the league with BPA on zero points
Blyth on 3 pts
Kettering 12
Gloucester 13
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Alty 37
up to
York 46 pts
so we have a new season with this season's point taken into account
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How about (if we can't finish this season) no promotions or relegations...
Start the league with BPA on zero points
Blyth on 3 pts
Kettering 12
Gloucester 13
...
Alty 37
up to
York 46 pts
so we have a new season with this season's point taken into account
Personally, what I would do is start next season in late October/November and aim to finish by May, finishing off all games that weren't played this season first before running through another set of fixtures in which each team plays each other once, the ground that it is played at would be selected randomly.
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In fairness, most of these ideas are far more leftfield than simply voiding the season and starting again at the usual time, sadly.
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In fairness, most of these ideas are far more leftfield than simply voiding the season and starting again at the usual time, sadly.
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i don't think a points per game system is very leftfield.
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Let the chairman's in the league have one vote each on who should go up and who should go down and they can not vote for their own teams.
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Let the chairman's in the league have one vote each on who should go up and who should go down and they can not vote for their own teams.
Hell's teeth, anything but that!
It has horrible echoes of the dreaded old pals' act practised by the chairmen of Football League clubs back in the dark days of re-election which unjustly denied us promotion from the Alliance Premier League in 1979/80 and 1980/81.