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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Railway Alty on June 25, 2007, 10:30:58 AM
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Well here is one for you all to chew on. After chatting to a relative of Lewis, i have been told that he may well be signing for Gretna! Wouldnt expect him to give me any B**l S**t.
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Well, at least he would improve the quality of Scottish football!!!
Would be a shame to see him go and if he makes the grade then good luck to him. However, as good as he is, can you really see him coming up to the mark v Rangers or Celtic?
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Following on from previous threads surely he would be better served establishing himself with another season in the conference then moving on to a dvision 2 or 3 side rather than move upto Gretna.
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Although Gretna do not have the largest squad, I cannot see Lewis being any more than a squad player or even a reserve at SPL level. I can't help but agree with Darren as he will need first team football to truly develop.
The backing he will get at Alty - GH, Dalton, experienced players will educate him. The only question about him remaining at Alty is if he wants to go full time. That move did improve Ian Craney's game - but I would like to think Lewis would have a better taste in clubs.
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Are you sure he's not just nipping up there for a shotgun marriage with a young girl?
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Well here is one for you all to chew on. After chatting to a relative of Lewis, i have been told that he may well be signing for Gretna! Wouldnt expect him to give me any B**l S**t.
sounds like we will get to see him on setanta anyway
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Well here is one for you all to chew on. After chatting to a relative of Lewis, i have been told that he may well be signing for Gretna! Wouldnt expect him to give me any B**l S**t.
Oh for Gods sake, not another I spoke to someone who knows Lewis Chalmers and he's on his way to Stevenage/Morecambe/Gretna/Barnet/Bury/Stockport thread. ::)
I wish these people who've never really known a decent footballer before and are now hanging onto him would stop piling into the lads head and let him just get on with it.
Why doesn't GH offer him a contract etc etc ::)
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Have to say that though i like Lewis Chalmers, I can't see what the big fuss is about.
How close would he get to an all time Alty XI? How much would we really miss him if he went? We'd miss his long throws and good heading ability and he's a steady improving quality conference player...but that's it....not the class of Craney or dawes.
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The potential is all there.
Don't believe the Gretna thing though...
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The Gretna thing makes perfect sense to me, especially if lewis has got himself an agent. Scottish clubs DO NOT have to pay any compensation to clubs if they take their players that are under 23, unlike the rule between two english clubs.Hibs did this with Clayton Donladson, its a loophole in the ruling that is yet to be closed,and the jock clubs know that they can take a chance on these kids and if they turn out to be a star the great, if they turn out to be a flop,its cost them nothing.Any football agent/advisor worth his/her salt knows this,and yuo will see more and more young english talent head north of the border until such time the rule is changed, so I would pour scorn on this rumour just yet.
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Have to say that though i like Lewis Chalmers, I can't see what the big fuss is about.
How close would he get to an all time Alty XI? How much would we really miss him if he went? We'd miss his long throws and good heading ability and he's a steady improving quality conference player...but that's it....not the class of Craney or dawes.
with the exception of colin little no alty outfield players are in craney or dawes leauge doesn't mean to say they would'nt be missed
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The Gretna thing makes perfect sense to me, especially if lewis has got himself an agent. Scottish clubs DO NOT have to pay any compensation to clubs if they take their players that are under 23, unlike the rule between two english clubs.Hibs did this with Clayton Donladson, its a loophole in the ruling that is yet to be closed,and the jock clubs know that they can take a chance on these kids and if they turn out to be a star the great, if they turn out to be a flop,its cost them nothing.Any football agent/advisor worth his/her salt knows this,and yuo will see more and more young english talent head north of the border until such time the rule is changed, so I would pour scorn on this rumour just yet.
so I would not pour scorn on this rumour just yet.
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A fair point Hughesy and Dundee United are at it as well
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee_utd/6235340.stm
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The Gretna thing makes perfect sense to me, especially if lewis has got himself an agent. Scottish clubs DO NOT have to pay any compensation to clubs if they take their players that are under 23, unlike the rule between two english clubs.Hibs did this with Clayton Donladson, its a loophole in the ruling that is yet to be closed,and the jock clubs know that they can take a chance on these kids and if they turn out to be a star the great, if they turn out to be a flop,its cost them nothing.Any football agent/advisor worth his/her salt knows this,and yuo will see more and more young english talent head north of the border until such time the rule is changed, so I would pour scorn on this rumour just yet.
I believe the rule is under 23's in scotland so the rule means we would get some comp if he went to gretna
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still don't beleive the Gretna thing! ::)
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on official website lewis has left for alershot bit suprising with his choice
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Please tell me thats a joke!!! does he think there goin places or is it money???
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full time contract apparently guess we,ll know what to expect at throw ins when we play them.forwarned?
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Good luck to him. Aldershot can offer him FT football, we can't, simple really. I think staying in the Conference is a wise move as well rather than sitting on the bench at somewhere like Stockport. He should get regular first team football there. Aldershot a mid table outfit really though, maybe no-one bigger was interested. We will move on.
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Good luck lewis,reckon most of the speculation was bxxxxxx then?
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Dear Lewis,
Get a new agent.
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Lewis had his head filled with sh*t by his agent.
End of story.
This country!
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He could've done better. Still good luck to him unless he's playing Alty in which case I hope he gets the pox.
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I know a lot of people on here have often talked Lewis up a bit (me included), but nevertheless, I am surprised that a lower league team such as Bury, Macc or Accy haven't given him a trial at least, given his age and potential.
I'm not going to turn into a Southport fan and start slagging players off who leave, but I have a feeling he'll be easier to replace than someone like Val.
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Me too. I hope he does well to be fair.
I just wonder if he (or his agent/advisers whoever) have twigged that the Shots have gone for him basically, because he's a free transfer and they don't actually have a lot of money to spare.
Me personally, I'd want to go to someone who really rated me, who would even be prepared to pay for me if necessary. Who's going to turn down a young England semi pro international if he's being hawked around and won't cost anything? Doesn't necessarily mean he should go though.
Shame really, I think clubs were waiting to see how he would've done in his second full season at conf level (always the hardest). I'm sure Bury or County etc would have come in with a bid. We'd not have stood in his way either or asked for daft moeny, but there you go.
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Why thank you for your kind words... "mid-table" I ask you!
We've not been that high for ages ;)
I think the reason he's joined (apart from the free agent quote) has more to do with the fact that he'll get a regular run out for us - what with our new manager (Gary Waddock) wanting to bring in lots of youngsters and build a team for the future.
Down here, we're expecting three or four more similar players to join before the season kicks off (to add to the ones we've already got) so it will be interesting to see who else joins and more so "how we do"!
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Mid Table Glory for the Alty this coming season.
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'scuse me Mr. Aldershot but can you get this changed on your website please?!
"Manager Gary Waddock has confirmed that 21 year old Lewis Chalmers has become his first signing for the club. Chalmers progressed through the youth ranks at Moss Rose and, in total, he made 96 appearances for the Cheshire club scoring six goals. He also possesses England National Game experience too"
That's rubbing salt in the wound. Moss Ro..(I'm not prepared to write it on an Alty website) is the home of Macclescum the Fraudsters.
MOSS LANE.
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I have spoken to Ballers via text on this one.... Personally I thought he'd be a 'bit part' player in our team this season (controversial) so when Aldershot get some money he'll be a long way from home and sitting on the bench (if he's lucky) ... Local lad that could do no wrong and a bit over rated.
I enjoyed Coburn putting him in his place last season :o) - Personally I do not expect him to play against Alty next season.
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Either way, good luck to him. I hope he remembers the start Alty gave him.
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And another thing.
Myself (Waddock) and Martin Kuhl both played centre mid and can help him develop. Mike, if you could kindly relay to him that qpr and birmingham or not, Graham Heathcote pisses all over them in the ball playing midfielder stakes!
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Personally I'm gutted he's gone. Not as good as some people were making out, but would have been in my starting 11 (above Bushell and Owen) every time.
So the 2 questions I have are 1: Who will take 90% of the throw ins?
2: Who will be that target man for 100% of the free kicks?
Good luck Lewis (though I do find your choice of club a bit of a crab like move)
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And another thing.
Myself (Waddock) and Martin Kuhl both played centre mid and can help him develop. Mike, if you could kindly relay to him that qpr and birmingham or not, Graham Heathcote pisses all over them in the ball playing midfielder stakes!
Martin Kuhl will be able to tell Lewis Chalmers all about the time he played for Birmingham City against Altrincham in the FA Cup......and lost.
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Dear Lewis,
Get a new agent.
Fully agree, lewis has improved a lot last season, but Aldershot??? If thats the best his agent/ best mate could find then he really should be finding someone new. It is a shame to see him leave, he's played well but with more intense training may develop further. Shame that we dont get a sell on fee, but dont we get something for him being under 24?
So, at least we get to possibly see a new free kick routine, and new throw taker.
Maybe we need to find a new midfielder now too, only lawton and val there at the mo, with poss aspinal and peyton able to play there. Seems to be another important area to recruit new faces.
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What a shocking move for Lewis!!!!!!
Gutted for the lad, he's a great player at this level and that could develop into more for him if he works hard. But Aldershot? Its miles away so he's either going to travel his arse off and get sick of it within a season or move down there and struggle to settle.
I agree with others, this is more to do with his agent in my eyes, he could easily have gone to a bigger, better, more local club and stood a good chance of getting regular football. I think he's a good player who gets slated for not being as good as players in our distant past, unfairly, but someone's talked him into a move thats going to do nothing for his career!
Good luck Lewis, hope i'm wrong!
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Lets be honest, ALdershot is as good as it was gonna get. Hes a good conference player but, at this stage, is simply no more than that. He performed 60% of the time last season but went missing on several occasions.
Fair play to him though. F/T contract is hard to turn down.
Sweepstake on appearances next year? I will start with 10(25) !!!!!!!!!!
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WOW...personally i have never seen so many people moan and slate a player who is leaving to better himself.
No-one knows his REAL motives for wanting to join Aldershot and everyone seems to blame his agent. What if....just possibly....he HIMSELF wanted to play for the shots?
Personally i would just wish him all the best :-\
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WOW...personally i have never seen so many people moan and slate a player who is leaving to better himself.
No-one knows his REAL motives for wanting to join Aldershot and everyone seems to blame his agent. What if....just possibly....he HIMSELF wanted to play for the shots?
Personally i would just wish him all the best :-\
Dont really know why people slate him, possibly because it softens the blow of losing him, which was inevitable. Possibly also because he wouldnt sign a contract for the club and certain people thought he had to as if he owed it to the club.
I still think its a bit too far for his 1st pro contract. What do you reckon he'll be paid? Cant see it being enough to make him want to move to Aldershot.
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Personally I'm gutted he's gone. Not as good as some people were making out, but would have been in my starting 11 (above Bushell and Owen) every time
Regretably, I must agree, I am gutted hes left, he was a really useful player and in the future could have got better and better. It may seem stupid to say we're going to miss his throw ins and heading but it was really effective. Good luck to the lad anyway!
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Agree that Lewis was a useful player - particularly in the air, where he rarely lost out. However, when Craney left us I was absolutely gutted, this time I can easily live with it. Yes, Aldershot does seem a pecular choice, but good luck to the lad anyway. If we can somehow persuade Chris Senor to stay part time and nick Bell from Burton, we'll be okay.
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Can I just ask whilst youve mentioned it...does anyone know why senior hasnt decided yet because i was under the impression he was going straight back to full time. Anyone know when a decision is likely?? Sorry if I missed something in another thread
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Don't think anyone is slating him. And you'll forgive us for being slightly downhearted at losing an England player for £0.
He was a good player, just not as good as his agent told him.
The story of Stockport chasing him when Stockport had never heard of him sticks in my mind.
I'm just waiting for the bit in the NLP where he never mentions the fact he had virtually given up football until George Heslop talked him into playing for Alty youth a few years back.
He'll be a good player for the shots, no question.
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Setting the record straight on a number of things on this thread,.........
I personally know lewis and can tell you his reason for leaving alty was mainly down to the fact he wanted full time football who can blame him?? 21 yrs old and wanting to improve, nothing wrong there. I agree with everyone when they say he has some improving to do and lewis is the 1st to say that, hence wnating to train every day.
For all you ppl saying he isnt that good n you wont loose sleep over it then thats fine its your opinion but remember whne he was playing well n he was the best thing going. football fans can be so two faced at times cant we??????
And finally for you markecky.....
Lewis was never giving up on football so that is a load of sh*t n if you try to tell me George Heslop said that about lewis thne id luv to see george say it to his face cz its crap. Lewis was never going to and never will give up on football.
Oh and before you start on the "not another friend of lewis" thread i am actually an alty fan and a friend of lewis. I have at times critisized lew when it comes to football but the sh*t about him wanting to give it before george stepped in is utter bollocks and i can not let that lie.
Good Luck Lewis.
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not another friend of lewis post :P :P
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;D very funny. seriousley tho he is a mate of mine but surely ud agree its hardly fair to say things about him that are not true?
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i've heard what ecky said by many though so i'd be inclined to say it is but if you say so i'll heed it
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And finally for you TR6...
I maintain that Lewis agent (its not you is it?) has filled his head full of magic and maybe he could have done a bit better than Aldershot if he had hung on and improved his all round game. However its his choice, he did well for us and I wish him well.
I mentioned George on the back of a conversation I had with him about three years ago. In no way did George ever say a bad word about him so don't even tell him that. he was coming on well and I am sure that George said he got released by a league club and was pretty down about it. Most players are. George talked him into coming and playing for the youth team and he never looked back.
Whats your version of events then?
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yes he was released by a club and was understandably down about this but lewis was never and never will give up on football. He hasnt looked back becasue he has done well and enjoyed his football. but dont put posts on here implying he "was on the verge of leaving football" when its bull sh*t.
and secondly no iam not his agent i am as i have already said a friend. god you really have a problem with agents dont u?? lewis has had no magic put in his head, but rightly so believes in himslef and his ability. so good luck to him on that.
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yes he was released by a club and was understandably down about this but lewis was never and never will give up on football. He hasnt looked back becasue he has done well and enjoyed his football. but dont put posts on here implying he "was on the verge of leaving football" when its bull sh*t.
and secondly no iam not his agent i am as i have already said a friend. god you really have a problem with agents dont u?? lewis has had no magic put in his head, but rightly so believes in himslef and his ability. so good luck to him on that.
Well done you for being an Alty fan, and Lewis' mate. Fact is, if Lewis believes in himself he would have waited for a league club. Aldershot is not the thinking of a young man from Manchester. Its the thinking of someone else impressed upon him, in my opinion.
You're pretty anonymous and make only a handful of Chalmers related posts. I have to say, you don't smack of credibility tr6. If you are his mate, perhaps you could make sure he receives all the well wishes he's had since leaving alty instead of just negative stuff you seem to thrive on.
Also, please could you ask him his plans on travelling to and from Aldershot. i'm just interested to know how they sold it too him in terms of geography. (thats a serious question by the way)
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"god you really have a problem with agents dont u??"
Err yes, the scourge of football in my opinion.
We'll agree to disagree on that one, you're obviously on the phone to him and he is filling you with the details.
Looks like he is going to give Alty little credit for his development then.
As I said I was half remembering a conversation I had with George a few years ago. I could be way off (or getting my players mixed up), I'll ask the great man when I see him next.
I'm as bored of this as the rest of the people reading it now so lets leave it there.
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Whats the score with our compensation then? No Craney-esque sell on clause?
(As for agents, 100% agree).
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yes he was released by a club and was understandably down about this but lewis was never and never will give up on football. He hasnt looked back becasue he has done well and enjoyed his football. but dont put posts on here implying he "was on the verge of leaving football" when its bull sh*t.
and secondly no iam not his agent i am as i have already said a friend. god you really have a problem with agents dont u?? lewis has had no magic put in his head, but rightly so believes in himslef and his ability. so good luck to him on that.
Hmm, I haven't given up on football either, but that's still different to me seriously trying to get back into the pro/semi pro game.
If you're sure of the version of events maybe you can have a chat with george next time you see him.
FFS
::)
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WOW...personally i have never seen so many people moan and slate a player who is leaving to better himself.
No-one knows his REAL motives for wanting to join Aldershot and everyone seems to blame his agent. What if....just possibly....he HIMSELF wanted to play for the shots?
Personally i would just wish him all the best :-\
Dont really know why people slate him, possibly because it softens the blow of losing him, which was inevitable. Possibly also because he wouldnt sign a contract for the club and certain people thought he had to as if he owed it to the club.
I still think its a bit too far for his 1st pro contract. What do you reckon he'll be paid? Cant see it being enough to make him want to move to Aldershot.
Yea, i think he will get more money, Aldershot have a reputation for paying players lots of money even though we are in the RED.
Secondly, fans on this thread seem to have a preoccupation with the geography issue. Last season John Grant moved to the shots from Halifax and i expect just like he did, Lewis will move down South permanently. Can't see how geography is a problem tbh ???
I expect he made the best desicion for himself, no agent or noone can force a player to sign for another club...so fans should just respect that to avoid any ill feeling.
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I think the vast majority of posts on this thread clearly suggest there is no ill feeling re. Lewis. A lot of fans are simply bewildered by what is (despite what you say) a very weird move. However, the last word should go to Lewis and it was his decision to make - not ours. So once again, good luck to the lad and I sincerely hope it works out for him.
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The geography thing is a potential issue Shots as although Alty is expensive to purchase property, move 4 miles away and its no great deal. The South East is very expensive by comparison...... I live there.....and I'm unsure whether Lewis is fully informed or is paid sufficiently to allow for that. I'm sure he won't commute!
As it stands the guy has gone, he was very slow in signing on....or not....so if thats what he wants then fine, good luck Lewis.
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Maybe Lewis has familly or friends down there?
On the face of it strange move, but lets just give him our best wishes & hope that he remembers us & doesn't scorev against us.
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Hell o from Shots land.
Seems to be a consensus that he could have done better, which I guess is a good thing for us.
A strange move? I can't see that. Aldershot are going through a mini-resurgence at present and look likely to live up to the expectations formed by the first two seasons in the conference. Any player looking to progress would be impressed by the set-up at Aldershot and see the opportunities that are there to be taken.
As for the change of location, there is an established trend of players moving to the area and settling quite happily, often staying well beyond their career at the club.
Good luck for the coming season.
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After reading my post again it didn't sound that nice.
I do wish Lewis all the best but I do not think it will effect our team too much so thats not a problem so good for both parties.
There are other players that could have left which would have upset me and had an efect on how the team will do next season. I always judge a player after a couple of seasons at a certain level so this season will be a good test for him.
I thought he went missing in nearly half the games he played last season but was always committed into a tackle and wins 90% of headers which was good. Only annoyance with him was sometimes he'd not bother tracking back after giving away the ball or not receiving it and "seemed" to go off the boil for a few months.
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We all thought craney could do better than Accrington but it worked out for him didn't it?
And Craney was in a different class and more of a finsihed article.
Lewis has done very well to get a FT contract...lets see how he progresses. He has at least gone to one of the preferable conference clubs with a bit of history and a fairly decent (if well hard) bunch of fans.
Wether Lewis was going to give up on football or not, he was a very very raw and totally unfit talent when he first appeared for Alty......in spite of this he got loads of encouragement from the fans who recognised his potential and cheered every good header and chanted Lewis every time we got a throw in..........it's always nice to hear a player's appreciation for the club he is leaving and the fans who have cheered him on.....................