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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: HashtagAlty on December 15, 2018, 03:59:28 PM
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Let all the county fans take the popular side by ignoring the stewards and wandering through.
They had a roof in the family stand.
Will we ever learn ? Talk all you want about change. Were still as spinless as ever.
That's the trophy done for another year.
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how many have they brought ?
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how many have they brought ?
988 both teams
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For these big games away fans should be given family stand for their seating. It worked perfectly well against league one Barnsley but yet again home end and bar was full of away fans. Stockport cant complain today they had a very moderate away following. But On New Year’s Day stockport should be given the family stand 220 seats, the away end 1.430 and the first small section of pop side. Why is this so hard Altrincham seriously. There will also need to be a police presence on New Year’s Day as many stockport fans on their message board are already discussing using the home end on New Year’s Day. How much would a plastic corrugated roof cost for the chequers end to end all this nonsense once and for all...
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Our stewarding and planning is woefully inadequate even for the level of crowds we get. I had to ask a steward who was more intent on watching the game than attending to his responsibilities to open the gate between the NWS and the CSH at the end of the game.
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Our stewarding and planning is woefully inadequate even for the level of crowds we get. I had to ask a steward who was more intent on watching the game than attending to his responsibilities to open the gate between the NWS and the CSH at the end of the game.
Maybe that's because the chairman,not content with alienating some of the hardcore supporters also did enough to cause the majority of the stewarding team to quit.
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things weren't any different then. they spent their time watching the game. we need to learn from clubs like stockport, southport and chester. doesn't have to be heavy handed or over the top, just organised and efficient.
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For these big games away fans should be given family stand for their seating. It worked perfectly well against league one Barnsley but yet again home end and bar was full of away fans. Stockport cant complain today they had a very moderate away following. But On New Year’s Day stockport should be given the family stand 220 seats, the away end 1.430 and the first small section of pop side. Why is this so hard Altrincham seriously. There will also need to be a police presence on New Year’s Day as many stockport fans on their message board are already discussing using the home end on New Year’s Day. How much would a plastic corrugated roof cost for the chequers end to end all this nonsense once and for all...
Very fair points. Not that I can go but if I was doing Stockport away on Boxing Day id be sorely tempted to sit in their main stand, both the view and the facilities have to be better than that shoddy corner they normally stick us in.
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Thankfully your useless, safety officer is away for the New Years game. So step up and show us how to steward a game properly. I can supply you with the stewards contact details, details for Stockport stewards and a company that also supplies us stewards when I ask them. I’ll be at the ground at about 1115 for the Darlington game so I can show what I do.
A warning to any potential applicants, whatever you do will always be criticised.
Enjoy my generous remuneration package. There’s plenty of zeros in it.
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The problem is that the gate they come in. There was more county fans in the bar before,at half time and after the game. It was all over their forum they were going to enter by the home end because the there was a roof, catering was better and they could get a drink a half time.
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Thankfully your useless, safety officer is away for the New Years game. So step up and show us how to steward a game properly. I can supply you with the stewards contact details, details for Stockport stewards and a company that also supplies us stewards when I ask them. I’ll be at the ground at about 1115 for the Darlington game so I can show what I do.
A warning to any potential applicants, whatever you do will always be criticised.
Enjoy my generous remuneration package. There’s plenty of zeros in it.
There will always be criticism when our home ground is turned over to the home fans. Especially when there's no chance four stewards would have held back those fans if anything have had happened in the second half (I e an equaliser)
Want to let county fans have a beer pre match? Use that big wall.
Want to let county fans have a beer pre match? Turn the £35 hospitality area into a bottle and food bar and offer hospitality in NWS or half / third of the bar
Want county to have seats give them the MG seats.
No county fans should be allowed in the main stand or home end
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There has been some good people joined the board over the last 18 months or so maybe longer.
Recently, there has been talk of us going full time and hopefully getting into the top echelon of non league football.
In my opinion, on the pitch we are not far off achieving the top echelon.
Off it it we are a long way short. We need ball boys who are trained to do the job and concentrate on what's happening. These young people Should be rewarded in some way (I don't mean a bar of choccy and a can of coke)
More importantly, we need fully trained Stewards who are fit and capable of carrying out the task.
These people again need paying for there services.
We cannot progress this club forward by relying on volunteers and it is not fair to these volunteers to criticise them.
I'm assuming the club has a budget for relevant depts of the club.
What I'm basically saying Mr Chairman is get your f**king hand in your pocket and run this side of the club professionally.
The Alty fans are yet again having to put up with away fans having access all areas
I for one are pissed off with away fans wandering around at will, one day something will happen and the club will be up Sh£t creek
I also agree with the forumite who suggested that the club should look at putting some sort of cover over the away end
Rant over
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Not sure what the problem is here? We got to stand in that final third of the pop side in the first half when we needed it. Second half it is completely vacant. Given the biblical weather and the facilities we have empty and available, why wouldn’t we let them use it?
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Absolutely. At this level there is no need. No idea who HashtagAlty is but I can form an opinion of him from his posts.
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At the moment I feel sorry for the safety office he has been put in a difficult position by the chairman. The chairman only likes ten stewards or less at games dos not want matches segregated and is very happy with drinking on the terraces. Great if your lower down the league's but the higher you go it's a recipe for disaster.
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Not sure what the problem is here? We got to stand in that final third of the pop side in the first half when we needed it. Second half it is completely vacant. Given the biblical weather and the facilities we have empty and available, why wouldn’t we let them use it?
So just for the record, you want the round fully segregated after BPA, but your happy to have four poeple act as a segregation wall for a load of county fans.
They had been given a roof for protection from the elements. If we are going to give them the pop side it should be a decision to do so pre match not because we've allowed our three stewards to be put in a dangerous situation. Took our main safety office above a good five minutes to go over and our chief office a further five to run round. Nigel was quicker to ask us to remove a Macc flag.
I witnessed our stewards bullied into giving them that area of the terrace by climbing over the wall and shouting about taking the terrace.
We've now fans on their forum talking about just using the home end going forward. Granted very little might happen. But you could have said BPA and Coalville wouldn't hapoen.
Away fans should not be in the same home bar. We've a giant wall we can put up if absolutely necessary.
For the record, we will never know if Hulme had been given a reprieve of a yellow without county fans in that family stand balling the ref for a red.
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things weren't any different then. they spent their time watching the game. we need to learn from clubs like stockport, southport and chester. doesn't have to be heavy handed or over the top, just organised and efficient.
Correct.
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Absolutely. At this level there is no need. No idea who HashtagAlty is but I can form an opinion of him from his posts.
And that is Cheshire cat? You'll find me at the majority of the games if you'd like to validate that opinion. Nothing wrong in being critical, it's the pathway to improvement.
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Not sure what the problem is here? We got to stand in that final third of the pop side in the first half when we needed it. Second half it is completely vacant. Given the biblical weather and the facilities we have empty and available, why wouldn’t we let them use it?
So just for the record, you want the round fully segregated after BPA, but your happy to have four poeple act as a segregation wall for a load of county fans.
They had been given a roof for protection from the elements. If we are going to give them the pop side it should be a decision to do so pre match not because we've allowed our three stewards to be put in a dangerous situation. Took our main safety office above a good five minutes to go over and our chief office a further five to run round. Nigel was quicker to ask us to remove a Macc flag.
I witnessed our stewards bullied into giving them that area of the terrace by climbing over the wall and shouting about taking the terrace.
We've now fans on their forum talking about just using the home end going forward. Granted very little might happen. But you could have said BPA and Coalville wouldn't hapoen.
Away fans should not be in the same home bar. We've a giant wall we can put up if absolutely necessary.
For the record, we will never know if Hulme had been given a reprieve of a yellow without county fans in that family stand balling the ref for a red.
This is the last I’ll say on it because it’s pointless.
You know full well what my stance on segregation is. I don’t want away fans on the Golf Road End in their droves and I don’t like it when our fans spread out onto the away end. Neither happened so my boxes have been ticked.
I’m not talking about away fans directly using the home end facilities. There are certainly problems to be addressed there.
We got access to the area we wanted in the first half, we moved back to the other end of the ground - the area then became unused and sodden, freezing County fans were allowed to take shelter. Again, not sure what the issue is with that?
We’d have created a more hostile situation for our voluntary stewards had we kept it shut to County fans.
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I am going to apologise to Hashtag for playing the man rather than the arguement. I wil blame it on the beer.
Until we have the funds to do something about the lack of roof at the Chequers End there's no harm in showing a bit of compassion to visiting fans when conditions are as foul as they were yesterday.. I'd like to do that regardless of how we are treated at other grounds.
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Agree we’ve not got many stewards and they’re all volunteers I think. Our safety officer is a nice bloke- we are still that way I’m afraid. Yesterday- from what I saw - no County in with us. They had the family stand. They came into pop side second half to escape fowl weather and seemed contained nicely in the corner. May of been some in main stand and bar.
Agree we need improvements but I wouldn’t say County were all around, I didn’t see any apart from maybe the bar.
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I am going to apologise to Hashtag for playing the man rather than the arguement. I wil blame it on the beer.
Until we have the funds to do something about the lack of roof at the Chequers End there's no harm in showing a bit of compassion to visiting fans when conditions are as foul as they were yesterday.. I'd like to do that regardless of how we are treated at other grounds.
I didn't have a beer yesterday or today.
I had a very delicious Hot Vimto though. Served quick and efficiently.
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Our previous safety officers had advice given to the chairman completely ignored hence the lack of stewards.
I don't know what the club has done if anything to bring in a new team of ballboys like we had previously who were a credit to Ray who used to organise it.
Yesterday I think we did all the right things offering cover in atrocious conditions but this was done on a think on your feet basis with little forethought, the end of the pop side should have been given at our decision at half time not have the embarrassment of being taken over.
In conditions like yesterday I feel embarrassed at making opposing fans stand out in the open elements so either a roof needs considering for the chequers end or a proactive decision to give up the family stand and in the case of a large away following the 3rd of the main stand and have the lounge behind the family stand an away bar.
I never see stewards outside the golf rd turnstile checking for away fans.
Until we have a proactive strategy a chairman who makes decisions on the hoof and is desperate to be seen to be hospitable until trouble starts we will continually have these debates.
Credit to the county fans though there was no actual trouble was there?
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I turned up just before kick off yesterday and paid for a seat, I was directed to the seats on the right but we couldn't get 3 seats together so we went in the Main stand, it didn't appear to be a problem and there were quite a few County in there. The bar at half time was also mixed and we chatted with Alty fans without any animosity, we've never had a problem with you lot and you'll get no grief at County either.
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I had no issues with giving the Stockport fans some of the popular side, it was foul weather and the numbers and fixture dictated few problems were ever likely. New Years Day will see a far bigger crowd and different mood though.
Segregating matches isn't going to work properly if you have zero segregation among the seated areas and free movement between the main stand and the home end. Equally, if away fans just come through the home turnstiles anyway then that defeats the object further.
My own view is the stands should be all ticket on New Years Day and the turnstile areas policed.
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New Year's Day needs to be a fully segregated all-ticket game. Otherwise it's simply a recipe for trouble - indeed I might stay at home if it isn't dealt with. I'm too old and slow for the sort of shenanigans that comes out of random visiting "supporters" who are still rat-arsed from the preceding revelry.
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New Year's Day needs to be a fully segregated all-ticket game. Otherwise it's simply a recipe for trouble - indeed I might stay at home if it isn't dealt with. I'm too old and slow for the sort of shenanigans that comes out of random visiting "supporters" who are still rat-arsed from the preceding revelry.
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All ticket will prob see a crowd of 2k not ticket maybe up to 4k.just needs policing and organising. Maybe seating all ticket.
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It's too late now to be selling tickets for a game on New Year's Day, bearing in mind Christmas is just over a week away.
It just needs to be properly policed.
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I turned up just before kick off yesterday and paid for a seat, I was directed to the seats on the right but we couldn't get 3 seats together so we went in the Main stand, it didn't appear to be a problem and there were quite a few County in there. The bar at half time was also mixed and we chatted with Alty fans without any animosity, we've never had a problem with you lot and you'll get no grief at County either.
No grief at County because the fans aren't able to mix and the stewards are well trained, numerous and attentive.
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Thankfully your useless, safety officer is away for the New Years game. So step up and show us how to steward a game properly. I can supply you with the stewards contact details, details for Stockport stewards and a company that also supplies us stewards when I ask them. I’ll be at the ground at about 1115 for the Darlington game so I can show what I do.
A warning to any potential applicants, whatever you do will always be criticised.
Enjoy my generous remuneration package. There’s plenty of zeros in it.
Nigel its a thankless task dammed if you do dammed if you don't been going on for years.
The club have had suggestion and ideas over the years how to improve the ground (At a low cost) and
handle big games they just don't want to listen.
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There'll be a lot more of us on New year's day and we're going to need more than that small stand and the open end, especially if results to our way beforehand, as I suggested earlier there's no reason we can't mix, we really don't mind you lot.
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It's got to be on the list of things that needs addressing if the club is going to go any higher.
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There'll be a lot more of us on New year's day and we're going to need more than that small stand and the open end, especially if results to our way beforehand, as I suggested earlier there's no reason we can't mix, we really don't mind you lot.
You don't mind me and I don't mind you, but crowd control isn't that simple. You have to cater for the possibility that there might be some in attendance who aren't as calm, mature and respectful as you and me.