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Title: BPA at home again
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on November 12, 2018, 12:41:10 PM
Tedious
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: andrewflynn on November 12, 2018, 12:47:50 PM
At least we’re at home.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 12, 2018, 01:04:42 PM
They'll be motivated by revenge after we've done them twice already this season. We should still be good enough though.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 12, 2018, 01:05:26 PM
The draw was today then .... Beaten them twice the way we are playing, no reason why it can't be a treble...
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Alty Dave on November 12, 2018, 01:16:41 PM
Home draw. Winnable as we know . Bring it on.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Joebennett on November 12, 2018, 02:00:41 PM
Segregated this time?
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Hale Alty on November 12, 2018, 06:45:43 PM
Segregated this time?

I would hope not. There will be even fewer there than the FA Cup game.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: andrewflynn on November 12, 2018, 07:45:43 PM
Segregated this time?

I would hope not. There will be even fewer there than the FA Cup game.

I think Joe is alluding to the fact it nearly kicked off with nobhead Park Avenue fans on the Golf Road End at full-time.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 12, 2018, 10:32:51 PM
Segregated this time?

I would hope not. There will be even fewer there than the FA Cup game.

I think Joe is alluding to the fact it nearly kicked off with nobhead Park Avenue fans on the Golf Road End at full-time.
Were they the ones chanting Macclesfield songs...
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: andrewflynn on November 13, 2018, 10:25:17 AM
Segregated this time?

I would hope not. There will be even fewer there than the FA Cup game.

I think Joe is alluding to the fact it nearly kicked off with nobhead Park Avenue fans on the Golf Road End at full-time.
Were they the ones chanting Macclesfield songs...

Yes, and when told to pack it in, quickly turned sour.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 13, 2018, 11:15:05 AM
For this fixture it should be segregated.. A no brainer...
Having said that I expect they will be welcomed with open arms and get full access...
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: ManagementGuru on November 22, 2018, 04:25:29 PM
Just to confirm - the match will be segregated. 
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 22, 2018, 05:53:18 PM
Just to confirm - the match will be segregated. 
Fair do's
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: robininstockport on November 22, 2018, 06:35:40 PM
Glad it's segregated.

Only 2 decisions are Thompson/Wynne añd Richman/Harrop.

Be great to carry on the run we're on but if  we do go out I won't be too bothered.

Alty 2-1 BPA. Hulme Dale
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: MarpleAlty on November 22, 2018, 06:46:36 PM
Glad it's segregated.

Only 2 decisions are Thompson/Wynne añd Richman/Harrop.

Be great to carry on the run we're on but if  we do go out I won't be too bothered.

Alty 2-1 BPA. Hulme Dale

I'd carry on giving Richman a run in the team for now - looked sharp last week.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 22, 2018, 07:22:25 PM
Glad it's segregated.

Only 2 decisions are Thompson/Wynne añd Richman/Harrop.

Be great to carry on the run we're on but if  we do go out I won't be too bothered.

Alty 2-1 BPA. Hulme Dale
To be fair TT has done well in the last few games.
Would always have Max when available. Ringo is a competent replacement though.

Carry on the good work
Alty 2-1 BPA
Att 1189
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Steve from Sale on November 23, 2018, 11:42:56 AM
On paper this sounds like it is going to be an action packed game. Go with the same team as previous barring any injuries. Noticed last week that Phil/Neil did not make any substitutions as they did not need to. This will be a harder game than last week but I still think we can beat them. Lets see how far we can go as though not as lucrative as the FA cup it is still a money spinner. Plus I would take any opportunity to pitch ourselves against clubs from the National League and see how far we have come. Could we sustain ourselves in the league above? While not getting ahead of ourselves we would get a better idea.

Agree with 2-1 Alty but attendance of 1321 as I think Bradford PA may bring more down.
 
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Matt Taylor on November 23, 2018, 12:45:38 PM
On paper this sounds like it is going to be an action packed game. Go with the same team as previous barring any injuries. Noticed last week that Phil/Neil did not make any substitutions as they did not need to. This will be a harder game than last week but I still think we can beat them. Lets see how far we can go as though not as lucrative as the FA cup it is still a money spinner. Plus I would take any opportunity to pitch ourselves against clubs from the National League and see how far we have come. Could we sustain ourselves in the league above? While not getting ahead of ourselves we would get a better idea.

Agree with 2-1 Alty but attendance of 1321 as I think Bradford PA may bring more down.
 


Not too sure about that crowd prediction Steve lad. Its the qualifying round of the Trophy. I'd consider it a decent enough achievement if we manage to exceed the 780 who turned out for what was arguably a bigger cup game against them last month.



Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Sale Holmfield on November 23, 2018, 01:11:48 PM
Matt's right. Although BPA have one of the best teams, they are one of the most poorly supported clubs in National League North (average gate 533 the last I saw). The Trophy gets poorer gates than the equivalent rounds in the Cup - equivalent as it's the round before National League Premier clubs come in - so I predict the segregation will be relaxed when we see only 650 or so have turned up.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: andrewflynn on November 23, 2018, 01:16:30 PM
Altrincham 1-1 BPA - 591 ATT.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 23, 2018, 05:05:25 PM
2-2 (both JJ's score). Attendance 648 (absentee season ticket holders not counted).

We win the replay on pens.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Steve from Sale on November 23, 2018, 10:02:15 PM
Ah well you can hope!!
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: MarpleAlty on November 24, 2018, 04:21:05 PM
Same XI unsurprisingly, give Harrop a bit more rest. If the game is safe it'll be good to withdraw Ringo, he's not had tonnes of game time.

What's happened to Kidderminster? Shipped 4 at home to Southport, were held by Nuneaton, shipped 4 against Chorley and now 3-0 down at home to York at HT  :o
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: old alty fan on November 24, 2018, 05:06:16 PM

 Shame more Supporters did not turn up today the football been played is just out standing at the moment struggle to see how BPA are top of the league

 Back to the league next Saturday and we go to Brackley full of confidence no reason why we cannot return with 3 points I don't think any team in this league fancies playing

 Us at the moment.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Old Alt on November 24, 2018, 05:34:45 PM
Another great performance, sat back a bit in the second half, but BPA only had a few chances and never really threatened, they certinly didn't look like a side who are top of the league.
Some of the football is great at the moment, JJ rightly given man of the match, both he and Owen Dale are stretching games on the wing and these teams can't cope, when they are running at them.
The penalty for the first goal looked very generous, it will be interesting to see it back but it obviously unsettled BPA.
I think that is 6 out of the last 7 we have won, and playing great football.
Testing ourselves against a conference team would be interesting in the next round, just to show how far we have come.
The crowd was a disappointment, given the attendance and manner of the performance against York.
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Post by: PukkaPieman on November 24, 2018, 06:08:04 PM
Wow, just wow  ;D 8)
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 24, 2018, 06:10:50 PM
A bit of a stroll if we're honest. Bradford can play better than that, and we won it comfortably without hitting the heights of our performances against Chester and York. My MOM was Andy White, but it was great to see Ringo back to something like his old self, and to see Dens back in first team action late on. Harrop looked really lively in his late cameo too.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: robininstockport on November 24, 2018, 06:31:51 PM
They were dreadful. No idea how they're top of the league. Having said that we are very good , defensively well solid and pace and class up front.

As for mom no idea.

Looking forward to drawing Salford at home.

Desperately need dale to stay for the season
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Silent but Ledley on November 24, 2018, 06:33:08 PM
Put my foot in it today. I said to J Jones that he was that good today he should be wearing an England shirt, however, I was informed that he's Welsh! Hey ho .SBL
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: TheGolfRoadView on November 24, 2018, 07:00:25 PM
For me the best performance at home this season, controlled virtually the whole game, just giving them a couple of decent chances in the last 15 mins when the game was done. Hard to pick a MOM when there was no player off their game but good to see Ringo getting to back to showing what he can do and Jones and Hannigan looking solid yet again. Can't blame BPA for complaining about the pen , looked like a blatent dive from Jordan, so interesting to see what the highlights show.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: distancetraveller on November 24, 2018, 07:19:50 PM
Top of the league ? Your having a laugh.....
Another top performance by the lads today. BPA were made to look ordinary by our boys.
I'm hoping for a home tie against a top half Conference team in the next round because we are playing really well and it could be a good yardstick as to where we are at.

Brackley away and Telford @  Home are the next two games.
I reckon there respective managers will be more concerned than PP & NS
Let's get to Brackley and get a result....
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: rick on November 24, 2018, 07:23:48 PM
Any decent prize money?
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: MarpleAlty on November 24, 2018, 07:24:53 PM
Sod that. Pickering or Ramsbottom at home next.

By the time these lads play a Conference side, they'll be ready.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: AFC56 on November 24, 2018, 07:25:24 PM
Totally controlled the game for the first 60 mins , dominating possession and disheartening their players. Some of them were visibly frustrated. The way we won the ball back at speed was impressive. We are in brilliant form at the moment, pleasure to watch Parkys alty these days.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Alty Bri on November 24, 2018, 07:25:35 PM
I bet BPA are getting a bit sick of us! The next 2 games are absolutely vital. Brackley and Telford are very good sides. 4-6 points from those games and we are seriously in with a shout in this league.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: B. 4D on November 24, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
Put my foot in it today. I said to J Jones that he was that good today he should be wearing an England shirt, however, I was informed that he's Welsh! Hey ho .SBL
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I think he qualifies for both countries
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Hale Alty on November 25, 2018, 01:09:55 PM
Highlights

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6VST4rJ1VE
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Hale Alty on November 26, 2018, 12:17:01 PM
just watched mark bower's post match interview on youtube. he refers to altrincham's big pitch when talking about how we like to move it around. is it really that much bigger than amyone else's?
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: beaker141 on November 26, 2018, 12:27:42 PM
just watched mark bower's post match interview on youtube. he refers to altrincham's big pitch when talking about how we like to move it around. is it really that much bigger than amyone else's?

From a 2010 ground grading report done :-

The playing area measures at 68.6m x 103m which is within the required standard.

http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/groundgrading.htm

A rudimentary measure using google maps puts their pitch at 100m x 63.8m
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Post by: MarpleAlty on November 26, 2018, 12:49:19 PM
Funny this should come up - I was actually thinking at the York game that the touchline seems further from the advertising boards, thought we'd actually gone narrower...?
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Hale Alty on November 26, 2018, 01:22:46 PM
on one of the recent pitch relayings the turf was taken out to the fence in some places covering the narrow shale running track, especiall in front of the CSH. that might give the impression that the white lines had moved.
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Post by: cheshire cat on November 26, 2018, 01:37:10 PM
I've always thought the pith at Edgeley Park is quite a bit bigger than ours
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: beaker141 on November 26, 2018, 02:06:42 PM
I've always thought the pith at Edgeley Park is quite a bit bigger than ours

104x64m  (all subject to my measuring tolerance on google maps ! )
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: robininstockport on November 26, 2018, 02:32:28 PM
Halifax always looks massive
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: B. 4D on November 26, 2018, 04:47:16 PM
just watched mark bower's post match interview on youtube. he refers to altrincham's big pitch when talking about how we like to move it around. is it really that much bigger than amyone else's?

No, he was just looking for any excuse
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Post by: Silent but Ledley on November 26, 2018, 05:14:40 PM
Apparently, a big one is always best ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   SBL
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: Hale Alty on November 26, 2018, 07:12:39 PM
just watched mark bower's post match interview on youtube. he refers to altrincham's big pitch when talking about how we like to move it around. is it really that much bigger than amyone else's?

No, he was just looking for any excuse

He wasn't making any excuses.
Title: Re: BPA at home again
Post by: roytonmike on November 26, 2018, 09:23:45 PM
Halifax always looks massive
Halifax was believed to be one of the narrowest pitches in the Football League back in the day. The surrounds of a pitch sometimes influence how wide or narrow one thinks it is.
I think the recommended dimensions used to be 115 yards long by 75 wide & the limits were something like 100-120 yards long by 70-80 wide?
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Post by: Sale Holmfield on November 26, 2018, 09:49:30 PM
That's correct about Halifax, although there was the Halifax Dukes' speedway track around the pitch, back then. I don't know, but possibly its removal has allowed the pitch to be widened.
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Post by: One Foot in the Grave on November 26, 2018, 11:26:17 PM
That's correct about Halifax, although there was the Halifax Dukes' speedway track around the pitch, back then. I don't know, but possibly its removal has allowed the pitch to be widened.
I remember when the speedway was going on, there was a problem between the club and the Football League because the corner flags overlapped onto the track using removable pieces of turf - this gave rise to complaints that they were unstable. The pitch is definitely wider now than it was back then !
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Post by: JD on November 26, 2018, 11:35:52 PM
That's correct about Halifax, although there was the Halifax Dukes' speedway track around the pitch, back then. I don't know, but possibly its removal has allowed the pitch to be widened.
I remember when the speedway was going on, there was a problem between the club and the Football League because the corner flags overlapped onto the track using removable pieces of turf - this gave rise to complaints that they were unstable. The pitch is definitely wider now than it was back then !

Sounds like the Dukes were a Hazard!
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Post by: Hale Alty on November 27, 2018, 12:39:53 PM
The issue with the corners was at Odsal, Bradford after the Halifax Dukes speedway team moved there for the 1986 season. I don't  remember the corners of the pitch needing to be moved at the Shay as there was room for the pitch in the middle of the speedway track. In fact just checking some old videos on YouTube shows the corners of the pitch intact as racing goes on. On a Saturday the speedway would start at 7.30 barely two hours after the football ended.  The speedway team left Halifax due to financial disagreements with the football club, and were in fact getting bigger crowds than the football team. It wasn't because of issues with the pitch. As the speedway track had recently been relaid at Bradford for the 1985 world championship final a move to Odsal seemed to make sense, although the crowds were never very good when I used to go.
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Post by: cheshire cat on November 27, 2018, 01:57:11 PM
When they played at Belle Vue Doncaster Rovers used to claim they had the largest pitch in the football league
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Post by: Birkonian on November 28, 2018, 08:51:16 PM
The issue with the corners was at Odsal, Bradford after the Halifax Dukes speedway team moved there for the 1986 season. I don't  remember the corners of the pitch needing to be moved at the Shay as there was room for the pitch in the middle of the speedway track. In fact just checking some old videos on YouTube shows the corners of the pitch intact as racing goes on. On a Saturday the speedway would start at 7.30 barely two hours after the football ended.  The speedway team left Halifax due to financial disagreements with the football club, and were in fact getting bigger crowds than the football team. It wasn't because of issues with the pitch. As the speedway track had recently been relaid at Bradford for the 1985 world championship final a move to Odsal seemed to make sense, although the crowds were never very good when I used to go.

The corner segments at the Shay were removable. They were basically a timber triangle containing a piece of mud. I remember Steve Peplow of Tranmere Rovers slipping on his backside trying to take a corner. Not a player who liked the physical side of the game he had a look of distaste at his dirty shorts.
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Post by: Hale Alty on November 28, 2018, 09:06:19 PM
Maybe these were sections of  turf beyond the dimensions of the pitch area itself which was completely within the inside line of the track as this video illustrates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DL6U02Sv_yY

ok having consulted one of the speedway groups on Facebook it appears I am recalling a period (the 70s) when the track was altered to AVOID the corners being lifted, as they had been in earlier times. it is therefore likely that the pitch was extended, or the track shape altered in the 80s which necessitated the corners you describe.

Actually if you watch that vid to the end there are two ariel shots from different eras - one with the corners intact, and one with the corners lifted. So there we are then.