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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: b23 on May 06, 2017, 05:33:01 PM
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A positive for me. Still has enough to give us in midfield or defence
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Indeed good news
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Probably our best footballer since hes been here.
Im glad
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Bitter sweet this one for me. I've voted Jake player of the year twice, but he was pretty dreadful last season. I like it that he's prepared to put last season's wrongs right though, so fair play to him and good luck.
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Agreed. Although he wasn't great last season, he has been outstanding in previous years, so I am glad to see that he is still around.
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He needs good players around him to be at his best.....he didn't get that luxury this season. I honestly expected him to be on his way to a higher placed club. Delighted he's staying. Hope PP can build a strong team around him.
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Another player that was good under Lee Sinnott, and the performance against Colchester was as good as any midfielder has put in in an Alty shirt in my 25 years of watching. Absolute rubbish since then and looked woefully short of fitness all last season. Not got the engine for the midfield anymore , probably be ok at CB alongside somebody with some pace. I do find the press release quite amusing with "influential midfielder" and "to everyone's releif he is staying" . I bet these lads being offered contracts can't believe their luck. Roll up for a season out of shape, never get into shape, lose every week and get another year.
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I don't want many of the losers to stay on. Moult I just don't seem able to settle on. He gets my backing next season, I am more interested in who is coming in to replace the tons of dead wood.
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Another player that was good under Lee Sinnott, and the performance against Colchester was as good as any midfielder has put in in an Alty shirt in my 25 years of watching. Absolute rubbish since then and looked woefully short of fitness all last season. Not got the engine for the midfield anymore , probably be ok at CB alongside somebody with some pace. I do find the press release quite amusing with "influential midfielder" and "to everyone's releif he is staying" . I bet these lads being offered contracts can't believe their luck. Roll up for a season out of shape, never get into shape, lose every week and get another year.
Never has been an engine? It is simple with Jake, he dipped in form last season, like everyone else but this is when he was played in a 2 man midfield. Jake is simply a defensive centre mid who sits in front of the back 4. This is where he breaks so many attacks up and wins a lot of headers. Play him there with a fit Richman and Taylor as the workers in front and we have a good centre midfield.
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Another player that was good under Lee Sinnott, and the performance against Colchester was as good as any midfielder has put in in an Alty shirt in my 25 years of watching. Absolute rubbish since then and looked woefully short of fitness all last season. Not got the engine for the midfield anymore , probably be ok at CB alongside somebody with some pace. I do find the press release quite amusing with "influential midfielder" and "to everyone's releif he is staying" . I bet these lads being offered contracts can't believe their luck. Roll up for a season out of shape, never get into shape, lose every week and get another year.
Never has been an engine? It is simple with Jake, he dipped in form last season, like everyone else but this is when he was played in a 2 man midfield. Jake is simply a defensive centre mid who sits in front of the back 4. This is where he breaks so many attacks up and wins a lot of headers. Play him there with a fit Richman and Taylor as the workers in front and we have a good centre midfield.
By engine I mean he hasn't got the energy or legs for the midfield anymore. He looked heavy and slow last year. The anchor man role has to be Lawrence Taylor. He's the future. As for Richman there is no way I'd offer him terms. He's the type of player that will perform to the level he plays. I bet he wouldn't shine in a Sunday league team. Just a lad that runs himself into the ground chasing lost causes.
I think we need to be careful here. Signing up the majority of last years losers could be catastrophic.
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Another player that was good under Lee Sinnott, and the performance against Colchester was as good as any midfielder has put in in an Alty shirt in my 25 years of watching. Absolute rubbish since then and looked woefully short of fitness all last season. Not got the engine for the midfield anymore , probably be ok at CB alongside somebody with some pace. I do find the press release quite amusing with "influential midfielder" and "to everyone's releif he is staying" . I bet these lads being offered contracts can't believe their luck. Roll up for a season out of shape, never get into shape, lose every week and get another year.
Never has been an engine? It is simple with Jake, he dipped in form last season, like everyone else but this is when he was played in a 2 man midfield. Jake is simply a defensive centre mid who sits in front of the back 4. This is where he breaks so many attacks up and wins a lot of headers. Play him there with a fit Richman and Taylor as the workers in front and we have a good centre midfield.
By engine I mean he hasn't got the energy or legs for the midfield anymore. He looked heavy and slow last year. The anchor man role has to be Lawrence Taylor. He's the future. As for Richman there is no way I'd offer him terms. He's the type of player that will perform to the level he plays. I bet he wouldn't shine in a Sunday league team. Just a lad that runs himself into the ground chasing lost causes.
I think we need to be careful here. Signing up the majority of last years losers could be catastrophic.
Doesn't have the legs anymore? He's 28, man! Hardly Alan Goodall territory.
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Potentially a good move, as for the rest I'd maybe sighn Brownhill as he's young but that would be it for me .Apparently a few Salford players are stalling on going full time if we could get hold of someone like James Poole who has played Evo Stick before that would be positive.
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Doesn't have the legs anymore? He's 28, man! Hardly Alan Goodall territory.
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Yep, and can you honestly tell me that he got around the pitch like a 28 year old last year? Gary Jones was 10 years older and I'd bet all the money I have that he'd have murdered the rest of the team in the fitness tests.
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I'd take Gary Jones like a shot. He'd be outstanding in Evostik even at 41.
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I'd take Gary Jones like a shot. He'd be outstanding in Evostik even at 41.
totally agree
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I would think we'll know.who of the current crop are staying by the end of the week
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I'd take Gary Jones too, but for one reason or another I think it's unlikely.
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I think Jonah wanted his first proper player-coaching gig, which isn't going to happen at Alty now with the new appointment.
I can't believe some people don't think retaining Moult is fantastic news. These are the same people that were shouting 'good riddance' to the likes of Leather and Sinnott leaving last summer.
You can't possibly succeed by clearing the decks and starting from scratch - with the lottery of signing non-league players you simply give yourself too much to do.
Why is that so bloody hard for most of our fans to see?! FFS it's like last season never happened! :D
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Last summer, we simply released and retained the wrong players. Scott should have been a priority and many people said that at the time. This summer, you'd be hard pressed to make an argument for many of the lads staying. That's not a knee jerk reaction by the way - we've simply watched them perform week in week out. For instance, if anyone believes Lawrie and Evans can spearhead us to promotion from Evostik, they are living in cloud cuckoo land.
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We released too bloody many, full stop - we made our task impossible.
Most of this lot - under the right management - will look like new players in the Evo-Stik.
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We released too bloody many, full stop - we made our task impossible.
Most of this lot - under the right management - will look like new players in the Evo-Stik.
That must include a huge psychological repair job. Far too many of the current squad were too happy to do feck all last season. Too many rolled over. Too many no shows.
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I imagine a lot of them will start enjoying their football again if they start winning. Fingers crossed for a good start :-\
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I imagine a lot of them will start enjoying their football again if they start winning. Fingers crossed for a good start :-\
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Bang on about the good start. Two defeats and draw from the first three risks the downward spiral continuing. Sod knows what we do then.
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We released too bloody many, full stop - we made our task impossible.
Most of this lot - under the right management - will look like new players in the Evo-Stik.
Ignoring for a moment the fact that every relegated side loses players that they would prefer to keep, what you are saying might have been a more reasonable argument last summer when we had been relegated needlessly (on the final day of the season) with a side that should have been capable of staying up. That is a completely different scenario from us now considering a group of players who finished a country mile from safety, and haven’t looked in any danger of staying up since the first week of the season. Keeping too many on for next season would be akin to writing off the season three months before it starts.
On Jake, I think there are similarities between Jake Moult staying and the decision as to whether we fought to keep Scott Leather last summer (not that we had much say over offers being made by Chorley of course). Both coming on the back of a very poor season personally, and a decision based wholly on previous ability rather than current form. Regardless of whether we should have tried harder to keep him or not, I’ve always thought that Scott made the right decision to leave for his own career, and I am a little surprised that Jake hasn’t thought the same. That said, if Parkinson can get anywhere near the best out of him next season then I’d be very surprised if there is a better midfielder in the country playing as low as the Evostick league. So it’s potentially “fantastic news”, but let’s not get too carried away just yet.
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A big part of the problem last season wasn't who stayed or went (apart from Scott in fairness) but the rank bad signings made by NY. Those who stayed recognised very early that we were in deep sh*t, and heads dropped.
I still reckon the biggest downer for many of the squad was the realisation that we had two goalkeepers who couldn't have caught the clap in a backstreet brothel. Would any of you want to start a game with a goalie practically guaranteed to let in a minimum two goals a game, at least one of which would be 100% his fault ? I see Tom Denton's gift goal at Halifax in my nightmares.
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A big part of the problem last season wasn't who stayed or went (apart from Scott in fairness) but the rank bad signings made by NY. Those who stayed recognised very early that we were in deep sh*t, and heads dropped.
I still reckon the biggest downer for many of the squad was the realisation that we had two goalkeepers who couldn't have caught the clap in a backstreet brothel. Would any of you want to start a game with a goalie practically guaranteed to let in a minimum two goals a game, at least one of which would be 100% his fault ? I see Tom Denton's gift goal at Halifax in my nightmares.
Can only agree that the keeping fiasco was a major contribution. Back we go to the seemingly never ending search for somebody worthy of following the Legendary Stuart Coburn. How damn lucky we were to have him in goal.
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We released too bloody many, full stop - we made our task impossible.
Most of this lot - under the right management - will look like new players in the Evo-Stik.
Ignoring for a moment the fact that every relegated side loses players that they would prefer to keep, what you are saying might have been a more reasonable argument last summer when we had been relegated needlessly (on the final day of the season) with a side that should have been capable of staying up. That is a completely different scenario from us now considering a group of players who finished a country mile from safety, and haven’t looked in any danger of staying up since the first week of the season. Keeping too many on for next season would be akin to writing off the season three months before it starts.
On Jake, I think there are similarities between Jake Moult staying and the decision as to whether we fought to keep Scott Leather last summer (not that we had much say over offers being made by Chorley of course). Both coming on the back of a very poor season personally, and a decision based wholly on previous ability rather than current form. Regardless of whether we should have tried harder to keep him or not, I’ve always thought that Scott made the right decision to leave for his own career, and I am a little surprised that Jake hasn’t thought the same. That said, if Parkinson can get anywhere near the best out of him next season then I’d be very surprised if there is a better midfielder in the country playing as low as the Evostick league. So it’s potentially “fantastic news”, but let’s not get too carried away just yet.
Exactly. Saying 'we should learn the lesson from last season' implies that our position now is comparable to that of twelve months ago when it really isn't. Last year, we did have a core group of players who had achieved some success for us previously and had been together for quite a while and I did feel we should have kept a few more of them. The majority of the players we have now have been here for a season or less, have never looked remotely like achieving anything and know only abject failure in an Alty shirt. There is no value in keeping more than a handful of them.
I also agree that if I were Moult, I'd have moved on: that seems to have been the right decision a year ago for Leather, Sinnott, Havern etc and I suspect it would be the best thing for Richman, Moult, Lawrie etc now. A new club would enable them to put what's just happened behind them more easily. Moult in particular looked like he was trapped in a nightmare for most of last season (we know the feeling) and I worry that he will carry the burden of the failure of the last two seasons into the next one. A Jake Moult back to his best would be a huge asset but a Jake Moult who continues to be weighed down by negativity and despair would not.
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Apart from Leather who got a better offer anyway and Sinnott who probably also has a better offer who else was there to keep?
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Havern over Cyrus and Hannigan. Easily.
(and obviously Rankine over any one of the numerous lumps we played up front, but I believe he was offered and always wanted to stay in the National League...?)
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This is abit of hindsight Havern was poor all season and yes maybe above them 2 but he hasn't done well at Telford and like you say Rankine was never staying and even is some were good enough why would you keep a player who stopped trying which Havern was
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Telford haven't done well, but they haven't conceded a lot of goals either. Scott should have been made an offer which made him stay - I know for a fact that he never wanted to leave.
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To be fair to young which we shouldn't be because according to Rowley he is at fault for the last 2 relegations and Alty not going up in the early 80s on the face of it Hannigan was player of the year of the team who ended up pissing the league
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We could have kept Clee and Deasey - despite the massive clear out I think 9 of the starting XI on the last day were actually at the club last season (if you count Taylor in the youth team). We got through 50 players and found bugger all that improved the team.
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They came back and haven't done well
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
He's already stated his intention to keep most of the squad.
@worriedsh*tless
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
Correct decision.
If he knows 3-4 lads from this level that would immediately go into our side and strengthen us (whilst reinvigorating the best of what we already have), that should be the plan. FULL STOP.
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If he keeps the likes of Hobson,Evans,Owens,McDonald and McWilliams we will not be challenging for the title next season! The rest I could see forming a half decent squad with the right additions PROVIDING they are 100% fit.
Edit.. I'd also look at ending Hannigans contract by mutual consent. His ability isn't a doubt but his injury record is appalling and I'd also have to question his commitment.
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Looking at the main website you'd assume Shaun Densmore is also staying. The squad at present I think looks like this. With Andrew Jones and Sam heathcote working for the community company it's a fair bet they will be retained in one guise or another but confirmed as of today
Goalkeepers
Tim Deasy
Defenders
Harry Cain
Tom Hannihan
Chris Lynch
Midfielders
Nick Clee
Sean Miller
Jake Moult
Laurence Taylor
Darius Palma
Forwards
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I think Blyth had two strikers with 20+ goals last season. None of the strikers we finished last season with would have scored 20+ goals (perhaps not even between them). I'd hazard a guess that PP will be on the hunt for strikers in particular. Getting this right will determine whether we go up or not.
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It's what you can attract at this level. There will be capable strikers knocking about, but who wants to play at this level.
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http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/match-info/statistics
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http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/match-info/statistics?division_id=26682
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http://www.evostikleague.co.uk/match-info/statistics?division_id=26683
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If he keeps the likes of Hobson,Evans,Owens,McDonald and McWilliams we will not be challenging for the title next season! The rest I could see forming a half decent squad with the right additions PROVIDING they are 100% fit.
Edit.. I'd also look at ending Hannigans contract by mutual consent. His ability isn't a doubt but his injury record is appalling and I'd also have to question his commitment.
Also not sure about Lawrie who has been her for six years now ? and Patterson , not doubting Lawries ability attacking wise but maybe its time for a change for him ?Richman too been here for a while and may benefit a change. Cant see Gary Jones staying , agree with your verdict on the others.
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If we are looking at the level we are operating at, both Ashton and Matlock had 20+ goal strikers last season. Coming into our league, both Farsley and Lancaster had 40+ goal strikers last season. I'm not necessarily saying that these lads are the answer. If we can nab a local striker from Salford (like Poole or Haughton) then that may work just as well. Both Stockport and FCUM have released several strikers who may or may not fit the bill.
Just sticking with Hobson, Owens, Evans and Lawrie would be disastrous.
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I heard we'd tried to sign this lad last season but he wasn't keen with us being bottom of the league. Maybe another go
This summer. might be a bit Steve Pennington but that's some record
http://www.runcorntownfc.co.uk/player-profile.php?id=590
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If we are looking at the level we are operating at, both Ashton and Matlock had 20+ goal strikers last season. Coming into our league, both Farsley and Lancaster had 40+ goal strikers last season. I'm not necessarily saying that these lads are the answer. If we can nab a local striker from Salford (like Poole or Haughton) then that may work just as well. Both Stockport and FCUM have released several strikers who may or may not fit the bill.
Just sticking with Hobson, Owens, Evans and Lawrie would be disastrous.
Pooles possibly off to Stockport, isnt Haughton a Fleetwood player ?
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If we are looking at the level we are operating at, both Ashton and Matlock had 20+ goal strikers last season. Coming into our league, both Farsley and Lancaster had 40+ goal strikers last season. I'm not necessarily saying that these lads are the answer. If we can nab a local striker from Salford (like Poole or Haughton) then that may work just as well. Both Stockport and FCUM have released several strikers who may or may not fit the bill.
Just sticking with Hobson, Owens, Evans and Lawrie would be disastrous.
I think the lad at matlock was a youth loan from burton
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Poole would be perfect, but being NLN standard and a Stockport lad means he's almost certainly going there.
The best we can hope for with someone like him is that Stockport go up, switch to FT, release him again and we take him when we're back in the NLN. Here's hoping :)
I miss the days when we had the pick of the part-time players in the NW :'(
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Haughton is a Fleetwood player, but his family are local. He began well at Salford but then faded a bit. Might fancy a new challenge.
I think Stocky will want a proven Conference North goalscorer - not sure Poole is that player. Ironically, they might try Reeves!
Cairns at Runcorn is a good call, as would be Connerton at Lancaster or Battersby at Atherton Colls. The latter in particular is much too good for that level.
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Recruiting effective forwards is definitely going to be one of the most important tasks for the new management. We had about a dozen strikers on the books last season and I don't think any of them were remotely effective.
Craig Cairns from Runcorn would probably be a good shout. I've seen him play a couple of times and he's mobile, strong and a good finisher. Sefton Gonzales, recently released by Stockport might do us a job too, as an upgrade on Craig Hobson.
I'm really hoping we can get our recruitment back on track. All the managers last season signed a lot of their former players, and whilst it's good to have contacts, it's nice if we can shop around a bit. I thoroughly expect us to sign a few from Nantwich which is fine but it'd be great if we can actively get out there and find new talent as well.
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Recruiting effective forwards is definitely going to be one of the most important tasks for the new management. We had about a dozen strikers on the books last season and I don't think any of them were remotely effective.
Craig Cairns from Runcorn would probably be a good shout. I've seen him play a couple of times and he's mobile, strong and a good finisher. Sefton Gonzales, recently released by Stockport might do us a job too, as an upgrade on Craig Hobson.
I'm really hoping we can get our recruitment back on track. All the managers last season signed a lot of their former players, and whilst it's good to have contacts, it's nice if we can shop around a bit. I thoroughly expect us to sign a few from Nantwich which is fine but it'd be great if we can actively get out there and find new talent as well.
If he goes back to Nantwich for players I hope Sean Cooke is on his shopping list. He scored 15 goals from midfield for them last season.
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We desperately need a left back.
Watched Wittons play off final, and their lb was the best player on the pitch.
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Once we have a keeper defence midfield and attack we are going to be strong
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Once we have a keeper defence midfield and attack we are going to be strong
I'd add a good subs bench to that just to be sure and maybe a couple of decent squad players if you're really being picky.
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Once we have a keeper defence midfield and attack we are going to be strong
I'd add a good subs bench to that just to be sure and maybe a couple of decent squad players if you're really being picky.
too demanding :)
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
Correct decision.
If he knows 3-4 lads from this level that would immediately go into our side and strengthen us (whilst reinvigorating the best of what we already have), that should be the plan. FULL STOP.
Contrast that with what Stalybridge have done this summer. They have told 10 players not to come back, retained just 1, terms offered to another 1, and have invited 8 to come back and join pre-season training to prove themselves.
Seems a much more sensible approach to me. Instead of letting our manager have a look at players in pre-season and signing them on the basis of how they perform (which sounds a normal way of doing things), we are just taking a punt on players returning to their form of yesteryear.
It's little wonder our players look so devoid of any hunger or desire on the pitch then they get rewarded for failure (double-failure in some cases) with the security of a new season-long contract without having to work for it or earn it.
To be fair to the manager, I'm not sure how much of this is down to PP and how much is down to GR. Didn't they say at GRs review that they wouldn't be allowing future managers the same freedoms to decide on retentions and signings? So on that basis I'd be surprised if PP has even got full control over these signings.
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
Correct decision.
If he knows 3-4 lads from this level that would immediately go into our side and strengthen us (whilst reinvigorating the best of what we already have), that should be the plan. FULL STOP.
Contrast that with what Stalybridge have done this summer. They have told 10 players not to come back, retained just 1, terms offered to another 1, and have invited 8 to come back and join pre-season training to prove themselves.
Seems a much more sensible approach to me. Instead of letting our manager have a look at players in pre-season and signing them on the basis of how they perform (which sounds a normal way of doing things), we are just taking a punt on players returning to their form of yesteryear.
It's little wonder our players look so devoid of any hunger or desire on the pitch then they get rewarded for failure (double-failure in some cases) with the security of a new season-long contract without having to work for it or earn it.
To be fair to the manager, I'm not sure how much of this is down to PP and how much is down to GR. Didn't they say at GRs review that they wouldn't be allowing future managers the same freedoms to decide on retentions and signings? So on that basis I'd be surprised if PP has even got full control over these signings.
Does that mean our proven poor decision making chair runs player recruitment?
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Will be interesting to see how many of last seasons sh*t Parkinson signs up, the fact we haven't seen a lengthy released list yet is worrying sign he's trying to persaude a lot of the sh*t to stay
Watch this space
Correct decision.
If he knows 3-4 lads from this level that would immediately go into our side and strengthen us (whilst reinvigorating the best of what we already have), that should be the plan. FULL STOP.
Contrast that with what Stalybridge have done this summer. They have told 10 players not to come back, retained just 1, terms offered to another 1, and have invited 8 to come back and join pre-season training to prove themselves.
Seems a much more sensible approach to me. Instead of letting our manager have a look at players in pre-season and signing them on the basis of how they perform (which sounds a normal way of doing things), we are just taking a punt on players returning to their form of yesteryear.
It's little wonder our players look so devoid of any hunger or desire on the pitch then they get rewarded for failure (double-failure in some cases) with the security of a new season-long contract without having to work for it or earn it.
To be fair to the manager, I'm not sure how much of this is down to PP and how much is down to GR. Didn't they say at GRs review that they wouldn't be allowing future managers the same freedoms to decide on retentions and signings? So on that basis I'd be surprised if PP has even got full control over these signings.
I disagree with this - at least we know what the existing players are possibly capable of.
A good dozen or so of our signings this season (Owens? Marsh? etc) looked good for their first couple of games and then faded.
I'd be concerned if we were signing an entire backbone of a team based purely on a couple of weeks' trial.
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It's little wonder our players look so devoid of any hunger or desire on the pitch then they get rewarded for failure (double-failure in some cases) with the security of a new season-long contract without having to work for it or earn it.
To be fair to the manager, I'm not sure how much of this is down to PP and how much is down to GR. Didn't they say at GRs review that they wouldn't be allowing future managers the same freedoms to decide on retentions and signings? So on that basis I'd be surprised if PP has even got full control over these signings.
Yes GR did say that he would have greater control of signings, which in my opinion is a recipe for disaster. I agree with the comment about hunger on the pitch. We can blame Young, Harvey, Buzz all we want, but the reoccurring theme is that the players didn't have the personality, fight or desire to pull us out of the mess on the pitch. David Lynch made a comment after he left that the senior players (Moult, Lawrie, Richman, Reeves) were never held to account and the blame was put on the new arrivals. Looking back I think he probably made a fair point. Those senior players also contributed to one of the worst dressing rooms that Graham Heathcote, Robbie and Buzz had seen in all their years in football. What happens when we lose a few on the trot? Will the senior players of last year really have the hunger to change it? History suggests not.
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The real Jake Moult will boss this league for me.
I believe he knows Parky well and that will be a big reason in him signing. Perhaps he also resonated a little with his opening interview where he touched on the fact that maybe some of ones that took us down might want to get us back (useless f**kers need not apply).