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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Macsporran on April 04, 2017, 11:07:29 PM
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Can I just clarify point 5 in the joint statement please with anyone who attended the meeting from the Supporters Group.
The point states that GR will remain Chairman of the Club until the process in connection with the potential new investments Is seen through to a conclusion.
Was it agreed that GR will step down as Chairman once these negotiations are completed, regardless of the outcome? The wording of this point seems to infer that he will only remain as Chairman until such times as the process is completed,
For myself, and I'm sure many others, this is a point that needs clarification.
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5. The Group agreed that, given these potential major developments, it is appropriate that GR should remain as Chairman to see this process through to a successful conclusion. As a result the Group agreed to cancel any further protests it was planning.
I'm not sure its appropriate for Graham Rowley to say on as chairman under any circumstances - very disappointing
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It sounds like GR has had Rowley Out's pants down. There is no evidence that he will step down or even change. I don't understand why the protests should stop.
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'See this process through to a successful conclusion'
You could drive a bus through that line it's open to interpretation. I imagine GR will not be stepping down from his perch anytime soon then.
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Need much more information on this really which I understand we can't have at the moment.
If he is part way through negotiating a deal which brings investment and fresh expertise into the club then I'm happy for him to do that. If that is his final act as chairman rather than the current mess then it is to be welcomed.
The apology for the dreadful Young abuse misinformation is frank and honest although very late, which is acknowledged.
I think the phrase "this isn't business as usual" is key as it isn't business as usual.
However I take some comfort from the fact that things are going on behind the scenes and it sounds like we aren't just looking forward to making new friends at Ossett Albion. Just my opinion.
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4. The plans require a considerable level of ‘stewardship’ as they involve negotiations with a third party, the co-ordination of a number of professional services and consultation with Club stakeholders. With this in mind we believe that it is essential to maintain a level of company continuity at this crucial stage in the process.
All stinks of a dirty smokey back room deal to me - aren't the supporters stakeholders?
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Also who attended this meeting and how are they representative of the supporters? If Rowley continues through the Summer will the protests continue? Has it been ruled out that we will end up with Doughty as manager?
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4. The plans require a considerable level of ‘stewardship’ as they involve negotiations with a third party, the co-ordination of a number of professional services and consultation with Club stakeholders. With this in mind we believe that it is essential to maintain a level of company continuity at this crucial stage in the process.
All stinks of a dirty smokey back room deal to me - aren't the supporters stakeholders?
Stakeholders might mean shareholders, which would explain why you wouldn't want to go into much detail.
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Stakeholders can affect or be affected by the organisation's actions, objectives and policies. Some examples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources.
Supporters are stakeholders maybe just not the ones this joint statement was considering
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here endth the Rowley out campaign.
Interesting that some of the Rowley out campaign met without the rest of the 29 being made aware. From my brief chats with that of the 29, I was under the impression that no meeting was taking place and we would be protesting on Saturday
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Also who attended this meeting and how are they representative of the supporters? If Rowley continues through the Summer will the protests continue? Has it been ruled out that we will end up with Doughty as manager?
Well considering I was one of the 29 who walked out and I didn't know this meeting was even taking place??? I do expect to receive the full minutes of the meeting however???
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Stakeholders can affect or be affected by the organisation's actions, objectives and policies. Some examples of key stakeholders are creditors, directors, employees, government (and its agencies), owners (shareholders), suppliers, unions, and the community from which the business draws its resources.
Supporters are stakeholders maybe just not the ones this joint statement was considering
I understand what a stakeholder is.
My point is that if consulting with stakeholders A, B and C prejudices negotiation with another set of stakeholders then you might not be able to do it all at once.
If the board of a firm are thinking of selling up they don't have to inform the tea lady immediately.
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here endth the Rowley out campaign.
Interesting that some of the Rowley out campaign met without the rest of the 29 being made aware.
I presume all 29 he who walked out will be given the full minutes of this meeting? To be fair they should have been given them before any joint statement was published?
As it is this joint statement lacks any real legitimacy
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The apology for the dreadful Young abuse misinformation is frank and honest although very late, which is acknowledged.
A step in the right direction. But not enough for me.....no apology for Twittergate, which is my main beef.
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This closed doors agreement belittle everyone of the 29 that walked out.
I'd also question why that extremely poor statement was released with a begging bowl and then all of a sudden the day after after we have an investment masterplan.
In 6 years of being Chairman, Rowley's board have shown very little dynamism, why now all of a sudden?
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Who went this meeting?
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I knew f**k all about this meeting granted I wouldn't have gone living in Cambridge but I was one of the 29,I'm a tad bemused
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Sounds like a selected few have been brainwashed and GR can sit out the remaining few games in peace in the directors box. Fair play to GR I've totally underestimated his negioatation skills!!! No mention of the twitter saga either?
Protests will stop? Not for me. Without much much more information I won't be renewing my season ticket. Not a chance.
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It's a bit disingenuous to suggest those that attended this meeting have been brainwashed. They had the nous and the courage to get together in the first place. This development (the meeting and whatever is being talked about) came out of the blue to the rest of us, but we need to see what's in the pipeline and trust the judgement of those that have put their heads above the parapet. If it's something involving due diligence or that has a confidently clause attached to it, there's little that can be done for a few weeks anyway. If they are satisfied with what's been discussed and presented to them, then I'll go with that as they are not idiots.
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If I were putting in big sponds I would want to be dealing with the same folk within the club. I would like clarity about Rowley stepping down regardless of the investment talks.
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As not one of the 29 but who agreed with the majority of their cause this looks like very good news and sensible negotiation on both sides. It looks as if both sides have compromised for the benefit of the club. It honestly looks as if some just want a fight for fights sake and bugger the club. Significant investment, a long term change in leadership from the top and a full apology for accusing fans. Great work the 29.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about these developments, but I guess that only time will tell...
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Im bemused by this....can any of the fans who met with grahame and agreed with everything grahame said in a 'joint' statement please come on here and back it up?
Im surprised there has been no 'we are meeting tonight watch this space' post on here or clarification protests are now on hold.
Id be happy to support the club and show any potential investors support in the assumption gr will step down.
Sounds like negotiations with shareholders are imminent with a view to shareholding being transferred or expanded?
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I wonder if we are talking in terms of a potential takeover? ie the third party becoming majority shareholders?
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As not one of the 29 but who agreed with the majority of their cause this looks like very good news and sensible negotiation on both sides. It looks as if both sides have compromised for the benefit of the club. It honestly looks as if some just want a fight for fights sake and bugger the club. Significant investment, a long term change in leadership from the top and a full apology for accusing fans. Great work the 29.
What we have here is just a start. I'll wait and see what the investment involves before I make my decision.
BUT...if he brings in something on a grand scale, he won't be stepping down.
And after the failure to either justify, or apologise for the Twitter fiasco, he's lost my respect and trust. If he tells me it's Wednesday today, I'll check my watch.
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No doubt lots of private messages and queries now flying around but understanding that no other information can be publically released for now this potentially sounds very big indeed. I'd be inclined on reflection to have confidence in those who met with GR and hard as it is be patient until this comes out fully.
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As not one of the 29 but who agreed with the majority of their cause this looks like very good news and sensible negotiation on both sides. It looks as if both sides have compromised for the benefit of the club. It honestly looks as if some just want a fight for fights sake and bugger the club. Significant investment, a long term change in leadership from the top and a full apology for accusing fans. Great work the 29.
What we have here is just a start. I'll wait and see what the investment involves before I make my decision.
BUT...if he brings in something on a grand scale, he won't be stepping down.
And after the failure to either justify, or apologise for the Twitter fiasco, he's lost my respect and trust.
I'm the same. After the twitter fiasco and then that ridiculous press release yesterday I have absolutely no trust left. Let's hope I'm wrong, but I reckon he is just buying himself time with the hope that next season results are better and we all pipe down a little and Grahame and his board can enjoy pottering around some new grounds in the evo stick.
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I think the problem is that many hundreds of fans have different grievances and demands although they all generally agree that there has to be accountability with GR and a serious change in attitude and philosophy with how the club is run.
So to an extent there has to be negotiations as such, which will have to involve less than everyone who has an opinion. It could possibly have been commun a little better to interested supporters that they were going to meet but the hands on the tiller have been steady enough so far.
Everyone is free to continue their own protests be it not renewing season tickets or patrons scheme or whatever and if the outcome isn't as you'd want to do so. And if it is well you can buy your season ticket then.
I get the impression that GR and the club have kind of realised the sh*t has hit the fan somewhat, although it turns out the bigger table wasn't needed...
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It's not even 9am by the way, I'm sure a further explanation will come out in good time.
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Agree, people have other things to do in life.As I said earlier, those that set up this protest aren't stupid or backwards at coming forwards so if they are satisfied with what's been discussed, then it's up to people's personal choice if they put any faith in that, which I do. Don't make the mistake that it's just a couple of drunken kids having a tantrum as others have previously.
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Couple of things. Spoke to those present. And they aren't easily pleased, or dissuaded and therefore a 180 degree flip on their stance must mean something special is in the pot,
Whilst I agree with Ballers, it would have nice for the three or four to disclose their meeting - not the location or time - I'm sure they'll have had reasons for not doing so. Maybe less pressure on both sides to deliver or agree amicably? There was no guarantee they would agree with GR. But I would ask the four to be a little less cloak and dagger and manage expectations where possible. Not warts and all, just a courtseous update to those they represent.
The four that met have been heavily involved and got us this far. To convince someone to apologise no matter how wrong they are is no easy task. So if all else they've achieved one objective.
However, I'd like to see the full plans ot more info have come to light before I throw the meet-ers to the dogs.
I maintain that Grahame shouldn't remain beyond the end of the season, and if they achieve that with a little more jaw jaw than war war (best phrase of the week) then that can only benefit the club.
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I said in my post a while back that I had nothing personal against Grahame, that I respect the years he has put in and acknowledged the mistakes he has made. However I didn't think he was the man to lead the relaunch the club as it needs and I still believe that.
Whilst speaking to Hughesy yesterday I said I was genuinely concerned about what would happen next and was praying that someone (selfishly I know) put their head above the parapit and did something.
It sounds like a group have done that and made a start. The names I have heard are people who have my respect. From the standpoint of some of the names I heard it must have taken something to make them at least not walkout within five mins.
One of my worries was that "the club" were happy to be discussing sandwich fillings with the man from the club shop at Paget Rangers and nothing was going to happen, we just started next season exactly we are now.
I now believe we have something to aim at.
There are two ways for me that GR could stand aside. Either in a fit of peak after something finally sends him over the edge and in as difficult manner as possible or by negotiating with others to stand down with a plan in place for the future.
It looks like it could be the latter so for me that is as good as it gets at the moment.
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Thanks for your welcome post ecky....accepting that sensitive negotiations may be about to take place it was vital the joint statement was backed up by a trusted source....it will be probably vital that potential investors see a mature responsible fanbase working for the long term good of the club and certainly not for any protests to put any investor off?
It should also be assumed we cant be told everything.
It appears we will have to be patient and hope good news is on the way.
I would ask though that the fans are kept up to date as much as is possible.
I feel in return for the time being and for the long term good of the club the fans show support for the team and have a truce...?
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I am not a protester I like to think in an ideal world grahame will turn it around and get us fighting in the national leauge
In two years time ,but the anger fear of what could happen to alty must turn a good fan bad and want change
I'm happy to blame the chairman for hiring bad management but maybe it's his only mistake wich has led to us
Waching I pile of crap in a crap leauge ,if we can be arsed going anymore
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I've read an old statement from the Fab Four. It says that they'd not enter dialogues about him remaining, but on a list of issues.
It seems they have address all but one of these issues, and the one not addressed - reading between the lines - it might be being addressed in private.
And therefore well done for sticking to that.
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I think we should just see this for what it is, the chairman finally surrounding himself with people who are genuinely dismayed at the way he has run the club and not people who pat him on the back and say things will improve.
It seems that he has taken a few things on board. Its obviously far too late because we're in a pub league next season even if a Russian billionaire comes in but there's no point going over it if the chairman is putting something in place which will allow him to hand control of the club or part of the control to another party.
Like it or not the fact is that given the choice of him transitioning out of or to a different role in the club or just straight walking away at the drop of a hat the former is far better than the latter. If he's realised his time is up but believes he can redeem his reign by making sure the club is left in a better place then so be it.
Interesting that the twittergate and curiously poor managerial recruitment process have not been referenced in the joint statement.
And thanks Grahame for the full and frank apology.
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Thanks for your welcome post ecky....accepting that sensitive negotiations may be about to take place it was vital the joint statement was backed up by a trusted source....it will be probably vital that potential investors see a mature responsible fanbase working for the long term good of the club and certainly not for any protests to put any investor off?
It should also be assumed we cant be told everything.
It appears we will have to be patient and hope good news is on the way.
I would ask though that the fans are kept up to date as much as is possible.
I feel in return for the time being and for the long term good of the club the fans show support for the team and have a truce...?
It was all news to me mate, I read it on the official site at the same time as everyone else.
Lot's of texts flying about this morning but rightly no more information has been given which I would imagine is crucial at this stage to any negotiation. I'll not be asking for any more as I'm just grateful that people have stepped up.
I feel a damn sight more positive than I did this time yesterday whilst acknowledging there is a long way to go.
As you say, we have to hope that when information can be released it will be.
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Now I have ten mins...
This is constructive, it's positive and may just be a bit of light at the end of a very long dark tunel.
Two routes seem to open up at this point:-
Investment Happens
Any business or individual putting a significant amount of money in will want a degree of control in return. Given the history of the past 18 months or so I'll eat my hat if that includes having GR in the chair. This route leaves us with a financial route and a leadership route forward. Excellent work and that does include by BR himself no doubt.
Investment Fails
This leaves us almost where we are now, but with another addition to the long list of failures by the board led by GR. More people would find themselves at the end of ther patience - fans and I think board members too. I fear turmoil and an impasse further damaging the club at what is already a bloody hard time for us. I see GR trying to fight his way out of a corner with damage all around. This is a nightmare scenario. We stagnate at best.
Fingers crossed, and if we need to back off a bit to give the time to get these talks to a successful conclusion then so be it.
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We have to believe that any announcement would be made in plenty of time for season ticket sales to be dealt with, assuming that it's cut and dried by then. That gives the club about 10 weeks tops to come up smelling of roses (or indeed anything preferable to the offensive aroma that has pervaded of late). We can certainly wait THAT long.
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Couple of things. Spoke to those present. And they aren't easily pleased, or dissuaded and therefore a 180 degree flip on their stance must mean something special is in the pot,
Whilst I agree with Ballers, it would have nice for the three or four to disclose their meeting - not the location or time - I'm sure they'll have had reasons for not doing so. Maybe less pressure on both sides to deliver or agree amicably? There was no guarantee they would agree with GR. But I would ask the four to be a little less cloak and dagger and manage expectations where possible. Not warts and all, just a courtseous update to those they represent.
The four that met have been heavily involved and got us this far. To convince someone to apologise no matter how wrong they are is no easy task. So if all else they've achieved one objective.
However, I'd like to see the full plans ot more info have come to light before I throw the meet-ers to the dogs.
I maintain that Grahame shouldn't remain beyond the end of the season, and if they achieve that with a little more jaw jaw than war war (best phrase of the week) then that can only benefit the club.
Speaking as one of the 29 who walked out during that game against Stalybridge, it would be informative to know exactly who attended that meeting behind closed doors with the chairman.
I hope that the 'Time To Go' top brass will enlighten us a little further in due course.
Do I now need to print off a 'Rowley In' sign to brandish during Saturday's home game with Brackley...?!
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The meeting can only be a good thing. Glad to hear both parties are conversing and trying to move forward.
The possibility of significant investment gives me hope of getting back to the top flight of non League asap.
Surely a decision on management won't be made until the investment scenario is sorted?
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The meeting can only be a good thing. Glad to hear both parties are conversing and trying to move forward.
The possibility of significant investment gives me hope of getting back to the top flight of non League asap.
Surely a decision on management won't be made until the investment scenario is sorted?
I thought the same , management position could be postponed , will see what happens on that front.
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After reading the joint statement and also the apology from Mr Rowley I feel a lot more positive than I did yesterday although there's a long way to go yet and I'm not building my hopes up too much! Well done to the four who took up the challenge to meet the chairman and try and start sorting this mess out!
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It's difficult to give any really informed comment until further details come out, but it's certainly positive that people are talking, so well done to both sides for that.
However, I am worried when people mention delaying the managerial appointment until the investment situation is sorted. The latter could drag on and on, even while progress is being made, and we do need to hit the ground running next season. The deadline was too early, clearly, and I suppose we could extend it a little and invite further applications, but that would imply none of the current applicants are suutable, which I can't see happening.
I don't have an answer, but can see problems whether we appoint too quickly or slowly.
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All that matters is that the RIGHT person is found by the board to return the club to winning ways.
If the candidates applying are not good enough we need to head hunt someone who IS.
On the last 3 unsuccessful occasions,... the club appointed the best of who was available, look at how that worked out!
Just goes to show that this is not an easy task.
It doesnt matter when we appoint someone, I'd rather wait for the right person than rush to appoint the wrong one again.
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All that matters is that the RIGHT person is found by the board to return the club to winning ways.
If the candidates applying are not good enough we need to head hunt someone who IS.
On the last 3 unsuccessful occasions,... the club appointed the best of who was available, look at how that worked out!
Just goes to show that this is not an easy task.
It doesnt matter when we appoint someone, I'd rather wait for the right person than rush to appoint the wrong one again.
It's not often I agree with you but this is bang on!
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It doesnt matter when we appoint someone, I'd rather wait for the right person than rush to appoint the wrong one again.
Surely time is of the essence though in getting a manager sorted out - otherwise anyone in the team who is undecided may go elsewhere - maybe not a bad thing in some cases ! And the longer its delayed the less the opportunities for getting people in from other teams - and then having a decent pre season to get people fit and gelled as a team?
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It doesnt matter when we appoint someone, I'd rather wait for the right person than rush to appoint the wrong one again.
Surely time is of the essence though in getting a manager sorted out - otherwise anyone in the team who is undecided may go elsewhere - maybe not a bad thing in some cases ! And the longer its delayed the less the opportunities for getting people in from other teams - and then having a decent pre season to get people fit and gelled as a team?
I agree that the new man has to be in place fairly quickly to start the search for players.
However I still have that concern that someone out there could be in a promotion battle now and not wanting to apply so he doesn't upset the apple cart at his club. I think it's right to have started the search but hope we leave it open until at least the end of the season. Unless an outstanding candidate comes along of course. I just think we may be ruling out some winners.
As for the worry of players going elsewhere, I've not seen enough this season to be qualified to talk on that but from what I have seen on Alty TV and listened too, I wish you the best of luck getting the dough you've been on here!
Edit: Plus I don't want him losing 4-1 at Tamworth as his opening gambit..
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I sincerely hope that it IS a new man ! And that he's in post no later than the end of May. What happens for the rest of this season doesn't matter any more, but we need to be out of the blocks like Usain Bolt come August.
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Under no circumstancies should Rowley be appointing the next manager - if as this joint statement is suggesting Rowley will be stepping aside at the May board meeting
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All that matters is that the RIGHT person is found by the board to return the club to winning ways.
If the candidates applying are not good enough we need to head hunt someone who IS.
On the last 3 unsuccessful occasions,... the club appointed the best of who was available, look at how that worked out!
Just goes to show that this is not an easy task.
It doesnt matter when we appoint someone, I'd rather wait for the right person than rush to appoint the wrong one again.
It's not often I agree with you but this is bang on!
the best of who was available ? Harvey yes . Tolson .. did we even look ? Young.. joker should have asked Stockport .
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
All sounds like a load of bullsh*t to me, allegedly Rowley and his board have been seeking investment for the last 5 years, so what's different now? Think the lads who attended have been sold a dummy here, Rowley must be rubbing his hands in delight today that his opposition has been split
Well it's the final straw for me - I was one of the 29, but not again - I'll do my own protests from now on
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
All sounds like a load of bullsh*t to me, allegedly Rowley and his board have been seeking investment for the last 5 years, so what's different now? Think the lads who attended have been sold a dummy here, Rowley must be rubbing his hands in delight today that his opposition has been split
Well it's the final straw for me - I was one of the 29, but not again - I'll do my own protests from now on
Crikey, it's not even 24 hours since the meeting. Let's see what those present have to say. They aren't mugs, they won't just believe any claptrap I'm sure there were sufficient details to be cause for optimism. Perhaps they agreed to give it time for processes to take place first.
We're already down we might as well be a little bit positive for the first time in ages instead of seeing everything as a reason to fear the worst.
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
All sounds like a load of bullsh*t to me, allegedly Rowley and his board have been seeking investment for the last 5 years, so what's different now? Think the lads who attended have been sold a dummy here, Rowley must be rubbing his hands in delight today that his opposition has been split
Well it's the final straw for me - I was one of the 29, but not again - I'll do my own protests from now on
Crikey, it's not even 24 hours since the meeting. Let's see what those present have to say. They aren't mugs, they won't just believe any claptrap I'm sure there were sufficient details to be cause for optimism. Perhaps they agreed to give it time for processes to take place first.
We're already down we might as well be a little bit positive for the first time in ages instead of seeing everything as a reason to fear the worst.
I tried to be positive about the call to arms for requesting funds and was duly spanked
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Wait and see basically if Rowley stays we're f**ked
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This closed doors agreement belittle everyone of the 29 that walked out.
I'd also question why that extremely poor statement was released with a begging bowl and then all of a sudden the day after after we have an investment masterplan.
In 6 years of being Chairman, Rowley's board have shown very little dynamism, why now all of a sudden?
THIS!!!! i for one am fuming and gutted i contributed my time and money to the original protest. 1-0 to rowley i think
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This time last night I thought there was very little chance of GR standing down/aside and we were in for a war with nothing on the horizon.
Fast forward 24 hrs and we now see that plans for change are in place and things are happening.
We will have to wait and see what will happen but I feel the protest was worthwhile as it highlighted peoples feelings and encouraged others to come forward and say they weren't happy either.
I said after the famous "29" programme article that any meeting was pointless as it didn't need discussion, it just needed "I'm standing down".
Now I see it as the fact it has the potential to go one better, him standing down (have to believe that will happen, we'll deal with the fallout if it does not) to be replaced by new blood/investment is more than most could have hoped for in the last few weeks. Certainly more than I did anyway.
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment.
I too believe this wording to be crucial. It could just mean bigger buckets for the half time collection.
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This closed doors agreement belittle everyone of the 29 that walked out.
I'd also question why that extremely poor statement was released with a begging bowl and then all of a sudden the day after after we have an investment masterplan.
In 6 years of being Chairman, Rowley's board have shown very little dynamism, why now all of a sudden?
THIS!!!! i for one am fuming and gutted i contributed my time and money to the original protest. 1-0 to rowley i think
Did any of you make it known that you wanted to meet with the chairman when the invitation was announced? I'm presuming that the four concerned all made it known they'd like to take up the invitation and a meeting was arranged.
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I think some information will need to be released fairly quickly in order for people to buy this 'hope on the horizon' thing. As I said earlier, I'm cautiously optimistic... very cautiously.
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Wait and see basically if Rowley stays we're f**ked
Bang on.
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
All sounds like a load of bullsh*t to me, allegedly Rowley and his board have been seeking investment for the last 5 years, so what's different now? Think the lads who attended have been sold a dummy here, Rowley must be rubbing his hands in delight today that his opposition has been split
Well it's the final straw for me - I was one of the 29, but not again - I'll do my own protests from now on
People's front of Judea? :)
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This closed doors agreement belittle everyone of the 29 that walked out.
I'd also question why that extremely poor statement was released with a begging bowl and then all of a sudden the day after after we have an investment masterplan.
In 6 years of being Chairman, Rowley's board have shown very little dynamism, why now all of a sudden?
THIS!!!! i for one am fuming and gutted i contributed my time and money to the original protest. 1-0 to rowley i think
You have no idea what is going on behind the scenes. These people are not fools, the least you could do is a adopt a 'wait and see' approach. I genuinely think some people on here are not happy unless they're miserable and fuming.
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Just a little bit more patience.
It's time for all Alty fans to stand their ground.
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Just a little bit more patience.
It's time for all Alty fans to stand their ground.
I agree about the patience. This provides hope of a genuine step forward. The wrath that will fall upon GR will indeed be mighty if this fails.
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Personally, I don't find the joint statement particular cause for optimism. There is a big difference between "creating significant opportunities to attract new investment" and actually negotiating new investment. I fear the investors being targeted could be the fans again. My money is staying where it is until positive change actually happens.
All sounds like a load of bullsh*t to me, allegedly Rowley and his board have been seeking investment for the last 5 years, so what's different now? Think the lads who attended have been sold a dummy here, Rowley must be rubbing his hands in delight today that his opposition has been split
Well it's the final straw for me - I was one of the 29, but not again - I'll do my own protests from now on
People's front of Judea? :)
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Firstly, apologies for the lack of clarity over the past 48 hours. While that isn’t particularly helpful on our part, it was a time issue on my side (Matt posting this) rather than anything else. The nature of the statement released on Tuesday has of course caused more questions than answers, and in some cases even disappointment. So, for that reason we wanted to try and clear up some of the questions that have been raised since.
• On the point about fans meeting with the chairman, and who they were speaking for. It’s a fair question. However, we had previously made it clear (repeated on here) that we weren't in a position to speak for “29” people, as much as we were not entitled to speak for anyone else in the ground who was unhappy with the way the club was being run, or in fact those already choosing to stay away. We also made clear that we were keen to meet with the chairman to discuss certain things. The opportunity presented itself (at relatively short notice) earlier this week and we took advantage of that.
• It’s important to make clear that in the course of the discussion there were things that Grahame Rowley (GR) said that we didn’t necessarily agree with, as much as there were things that we said that GR won’t have agreed with. And of course there were things said by both sides that everyone agreed with.
• While there are evidently things that can't be discussed, yet, it’s perhaps worth noting that there are a handful of people who were unhappy and upset enough to arrange the walk outs, protests and media who have now been satisfied enough to agree to hold back for the time being based on what was released in Tuesday evening’s joint statement.
No-one has to back Grahame Rowley. We are not asking anyone to do that. But, based on what was discussed, we would encourage people to give him the time stated in the release on website this week to complete the "work (that is) currently underway".
• There was purposely a timeframe built into the joint statement. That way, even if people (understandably) have doubts, then at least everyone knows that this will come to a head sooner rather than later. At the end of that time period will either be the “major developments” that have been mentioned in the statement, or everyone can call 'bull sh*t' and it would likely make things much worse for current board/chairman in the long term.
• To be clear, we are not asking or telling other people to stop protesting in the way they feel most appropriate if that’s what they choose to do. It’s just that we have decided to cancel any protests planned by ourselves for now in order to allow space for the board/chairman to “see this process through”. In regard to people’s decisions over season ticket renewals or attendance at games next season etc., then that’s a personal choice. One of our major concerns has always been the effect of the current situation/status quo on the revenue streams to fund next season’s promotion objective. Its worth bearing in mind that the board have indicated a May 2017 update, which would presumably be before most people would be renewing season tickets anyway and so people would be able to make a final decision after that.
• In addition to what is mentioned in the joint statement, a ‘Code of Conduct’ was discussed at the meeting that could be signed by all club volunteers, to protect both parties and attempt to avoid the situation that occurred recently regarding the club's twitter account. This would also include a clear list of responsibilities assigned to each role. An example document (for the social media roles) was drafted by one of the supporters and the reaction was positive. GR took this away to discuss further with the board.
• Let's also have a bit of respect for GR in this where it is actually due. No, that doesn't mean anyone has been fobbed off with lip service. It doesn’t mean that fans are split, or anything that dramatic. It doesn’t mean that anyone is calling for him to stay on for next season. It means that, for the good of the football club, GR has put a certain level of trust in a small group of people who have spent the past few weeks being very angry and very blunt about their views on whether they think he should carry on as the chairman at the football club. And, regardless of whether people think he should be chairman or not, for that he does deserve a bit of credit.
People have also spent months angrily calling for him to apologise publicly to the Altrincham supporters for any confusion and discrediting that may have occurred in the aftermath of the departure of Neil Young from the club. This has now happened and I don’t think anyone has even acknowledged it – although perhaps it’s been lost in the curiosity driven by content of the joint statement, which is understandable.
Finally, most who were there on Tuesday night should be at the game on Saturday. If anyone wants to have a chat face-to-face with any of us individually at the game, or ask any questions, then let us know and it can be arranged. (I will be, and will be stood in the far corner with my kids as usual if anyone wants to find me.) There will be detail we won’t be able to discuss any further, but we might be able to help clear up any misconceptions that may exist.
If anyone can’t make the game on Saturday, or would like to speak to any of us before then please feel free to message us and someone will send their phone number.
Andrew Flynn
Mike Reeves
Matt Taylor
Leighton Wright
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Matt, many thanks for finding time out of your working week to give supporters on here this update.
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All sounds potentially positive. Thanks for putting as much info as you could on here.
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It is disappointing it took Twittergate for Grahame to agree to a piece of literature regarding roles. But I'm glad he's agreed to do so.
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aftermath of the departure of Neil Young from the club. This has now happened and I don’t think anyone has even acknowledged it
I acknowledged it earlier in this thread
Thanks for taking the time to keep us updated Matt
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Excellent post - you have my full support
For clarity the timeframe we're all working to on this is the May board meeting? Do we know the date of that?
• There was purposely a timeframe built into the joint statement. That way, even if people (understandably) have doubts, then at least everyone knows that this will come to a head sooner rather than later. At the end of that time period will either be the “major developments” that have been mentioned in the statement, or everyone can call 'bull sh*t' and it would likely make things much worse for current board/chairman in the long term.
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Nice to see who is involved.
Is the managerial decision on hold then?
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Cheers Matt and I agree with Glyn about a new manager
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Yes, thanks for the update Matt - excellent post
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Thanks for the informative post, Matt.
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Cheers Matt for that update
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Thanks for the update and once again thanks to the lads that have stepped up here.
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New ownership, new leadership, and a new vision for the Club. All of these are still essential in my view. Anything that falls short is merely a sticking plaster.
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The season is over, we have a new manager and assistant in place for next season.
It's getting on for a month since the joint statement was made and I hope there will be an update on the investment that Mr. Rowley is hoping to attract. I don't anticipate being told the figures in £, but I would like to have news on how much longer the club believes it will take, indeed we don't know if its been pulled already.
We need more than another new manager to stop the rot.
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I'm holding fire on obtaining a season ticket until we get the promised May update. A change of leadership is absolutely critical, or I fear nothing will ever change.
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I'm holding fire on obtaining a season ticket until we get the promised May update. A change of leadership is absolutely critical, or I fear nothing will ever change.
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As previously stated I am done with giving my hard earned money to this club, do one!