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ROBINS' REVIEW
Altrincham FC Press & Media Officer, John Edwards, writes, "In his Edlines column in tonight's Robins' Review, chairman Grahame Rowley has a special message for the supporters who left the ground after 15 minutes of Saturday's Vanarama National League North game against Stalybridge Celtic.
Also in the Review, Shaun Densmore reflects on the goalless draw against Stalybridge, in his Captain's Chat column, while a legendary name from Alty's recent past makes a guest appearance for the Players' team in the What's The Score? predictions competition. The Robins' Review will be available inside the ground prior to kick-off against Nuneaton Town, priced £2.50.
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ROBINS' REVIEW
Altrincham FC Press & Media Officer, John Edwards, writes, "In his Edlines column in tonight's Robins' Review, chairman Grahame Rowley has a special message for the supporters who left the ground after 15 minutes of Saturday's Vanarama National League North game against Stalybridge Celtic.
Unless it says he's resigning I won't be waiting with bated breath for his pearls of wisdom.
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Good to see that we have to pay for the privilege.
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Let's see what the man has to say first.
May I request that it be put up on the main site ASAP for those of us who won't be able to get to the game tonght.
Ta
COME ON ALTY.
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He should have put a statement on the website not squirreld away in his programme that few people but these days.
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He should have put a statement on the website not squirreld away in his programme that few people but these days.
Obviously....but we're talking about a man whose communication skills are little better than Fabio Bassangue.
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Once again he shows his colours
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Anyone want to take a photo and share with the group
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Is any one there ?
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Anyone want to take a photo and share with the group
Or even copy it out word for word because we're 2 down already so you're not going to miss much!
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Once again he shows his colours
Care to expand?
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Read it here: https://twitter.com/wearealty/status/844287712698023937
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Just read it......oh dear......he wants to take positive steps.......maybe the lads at alty TV best check the gantry ladder is still there....
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Very much circling the wagons, as expected.
Over simplistic boiling down of the 29 counted out, many more are clearly deeply unhappy with his 'leadership' and I think it's fanciful to think sitting down with those concerned will somehow sort things out-it's too late for that.
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I don't see this appeal working with many, it's too late and there's too much water under too many bridges.
This has always been about responsibility for failure for me, and though I always want to give people another chance, to see if any given relationship can be salvaged, its too little too late.
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Read it here: https://twitter.com/wearealty/status/844287712698023937
Thanks.
This approach should have been adopted a long time ago. People were not even allowed to ask what may have been deemed 'difficult' questions at the strategic review meeting.
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I can see him laughing to himself as he was writing 'to the 29 that walked out'. That's his way of belittling them before trying to come across that he actually gives a sh*t. He also mentions that performances have improved under Matt and Robbie(currently 3-1 down at home to another poor side) which to me is his way of telling us they're going nowhere either.
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I can see him laughing to himself as he was writing 'to the 29 that walked out'. That's his way of belittling them before trying to come across that he actually gives a sh*t. He also mentions that performances have improved under Matt and Robbie(currently 3-1 down at home to another poor side) which to me is his way of telling us they're going nowhere either.
And 1-3 flatters us.
This is sh*t.
I mean, sh*t.
Really sh*t.
Max att 350 I reckon.
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I can see him laughing to himself as he was writing 'to the 29 that walked out'. That's his way of belittling them before trying to come across that he actually gives a sh*t. He also mentions that performances have improved under Matt and Robbie(currently 3-1 down at home to another poor side) which to me is his way of telling us they're going nowhere either.
And 1-3 flatters us.
This is sh*t.
I mean, sh*t.
Really sh*t.
Max att 350 I reckon.
646.
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I can see him laughing to himself as he was writing 'to the 29 that walked out'. That's his way of belittling them before trying to come across that he actually gives a sh*t. He also mentions that performances have improved under Matt and Robbie(currently 3-1 down at home to another poor side) which to me is his way of telling us they're going nowhere either.
And 1-3 flatters us.
This is sh*t.
I mean, sh*t.
Really sh*t.
Max att 350 I reckon.
646.
Not a chance.
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I can see him laughing to himself as he was writing 'to the 29 that walked out'. That's his way of belittling them before trying to come across that he actually gives a sh*t. He also mentions that performances have improved under Matt and Robbie(currently 3-1 down at home to another poor side) which to me is his way of telling us they're going nowhere either.
And 1-3 flatters us.
This is sh*t.
I mean, sh*t.
Really sh*t.
Max att 350 I reckon.
646.
Not a chance.
less the no show season tickets = 400????
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Unless Twittergate is officially sorted out, apologies made, and assurances given, I am finished with this club.
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The gauntlet has been thrown down by Mr Rowley.
Though if he thinks its just 29 that want a different approach, he is sadly mistaken.
In regards to the attendance, the last worst attendance in the league was 1 April 2014, home to Boston where 650 turned up.
Our average for this season was 1246, nearly double what we had tonight.
Thriving.
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He may eventually realise how deep the sh*t is when season ticket sales for next season plummet.
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350-400 would be about right.
It felt like a Cheshire Cup match.
The traffic was massively one way and at least 20 chances squandered one way or another.
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350-400 would be about right.
It felt like a Cheshire Cup match.
The traffic was massively one way and at least 20 chances squandered one way or another.
at least there used to be something to play for in the Cheshire senior cup
Sad times
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350-400 would be about right.
It felt like a Cheshire Cup match.
The traffic was massively one way and at least 20 chances squandered one way or another.
there used to be something to play for in the Cheshire senior cup
Sad times
We genuinely tried to win it this year and couldn't get past Hyde. What a season.
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350-400 would be about right.
It felt like a Cheshire Cup match.
The traffic was massively one way and at least 20 chances squandered one way or another.
there used to be something to play for in the Cheshire senior cup
Sad times
We genuinely tried to win it this year and couldn't get past Hyde. What a season.
lol you couldn't write it could you
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Well after reading those notes, I fully expect Matt and Robbie to be appointed permanent managers before the end of the month. Nothing against Robbie or Matt, Robbie in particular has spoken impressively but a couple of clowns could have taken charge and got a similar points haul.
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Well after reading those notes, I fully expect Matt and Robbie to be appointed permanent managers before the end of the month. Nothing against Robbie or Matt, Robbie in particular has spoken impressively but a couple of clowns could have taken charge and got a similar points haul.
I would have gone tonight if I new two real clowns had got the job just to see if they won ;D
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He wants to stay as chairman, the protesters want him to resign. How do you find common ground between that?
And it isn't just about the 29. There are hundreds of people staying away. People I know who are adamant they won't return until Mr Rowley steps down. Then you have those who keep coming but wonder why they bother.
None of the above have faith in Mr Rowley's ability to lead this club forward and repair the damage of the last 12 months. It is a lot more than 29 people.
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He wants to stay as chairman, the protesters want him to resign. How do you find common ground between that?
And it isn't just about the 29. There are hundreds of people staying away. People I know who are adamant they won't return until Mr Rowley steps down. Then you have those who keep coming but wonder why they bother.
None of the above have faith in Mr Rowley's ability to lead this club forward and repair the damage of the last 12 months. It is a lot more than 29 people.
I am one of these people and promised myself that I wouldn't be one who boycotts the games. However, having yet again done a 140 mile round trip, after working all day yesterday, to watch last night's performance I am sat here this morning seriously rethinking my stance.
Last night was utter garbage and I'm afraid to say that the players on the pitch would not trouble the top teams in the Evo Stick, and that is embarrassing.
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The walkout was completed necessary,if you just boycott games the statement that makes to some is that you simply don't want to watch a poor side unlike the walkout which made a obvious statement about the chairman
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The walkout was completed necessary,if you just boycott games the statement that makes to some is that you simply don't want to watch a poor side unlike the walkout which made a obvious statement about the chairman
Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't but what I am saying is that I'm royally p*ssed off with turning up week in week out to watch that sh*te.
Whether that's because of the chairman, board, management team, players or whatever I'm not sure.
I'm just p*ssed off.
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He wants to stay as chairman, the protesters want him to resign. How do you find common ground between that?
And it isn't just about the 29. There are hundreds of people staying away. People I know who are adamant they won't return until Mr Rowley steps down. Then you have those who keep coming but wonder why they bother.
None of the above have faith in Mr Rowley's ability to lead this club forward and repair the damage of the last 12 months. It is a lot more than 29 people.
I am one of these people and promised myself that I wouldn't be one who boycotts the games. However, having yet again done a 140 mile round trip, after working all day yesterday, to watch last night's performance I am sat here this morning seriously rethinking my stance.
Last night was utter garbage and I'm afraid to say that the players on the pitch would not trouble the top teams in the Evo Stick, and that is embarrassing.
The players need to read your note here and have a long hard think about themselves.
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Fair point Stan
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I was boycotting, but turned up to show support for the players and the protest on Saturday. Jimmy is right, staying away is not the answer - in a sense it is letting the chairman off the hook. I applauded the protesters on Saturday, but next time my family and I will join them. This situation has to end.
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So who's going to meet the board?
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Glyn the fans met the board and had the mic took of them when they asked an awkward question
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Why would any supporter want to sit down with the chairman. He had a chance to have open and honest discussion on the radio last week. If he thinks 29 people are the only supporters that have had enough then fine. The unreturned season ticket renewals will tell the story.
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Glyn the fans met the board and had the mic took of them when they asked an awkward question
In fairness Jimmy, that wasn't the right forum. I don't believe any meeting will achieve anything though. This chairman will only realise how much trouble he's in when season ticket sales collapse. If there is another demo I'll be there though I'm not convinced it can achieve much either.
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Glyn the fans met the board and had the mic took of them when they asked an awkward question
In fairness Jimmy, that wasn't the right forum. I don't believe any meeting will achieve anything though. This chairman will only realise how much trouble he's in when season ticket sales collapse. If there is another demo I'll be there though I'm not convinced it can achieve much either.
Whatever the forum/meeting Mr Rowley will continue to duck any awkward questions because he too stubborn to admit anything is wrong. His head's that far up his own arse it untrue!!
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Glyn the fans met the board and had the mic took of them when they asked an awkward question
In fairness Jimmy, that wasn't the right forum. I don't believe any meeting will achieve anything though. This chairman will only realise how much trouble he's in when season ticket sales collapse. If there is another demo I'll be there though I'm not convinced it can achieve much either.
Sadly you may be right . The walk out was a great way to protest but it's been done now . The only other big way to prove a point now will be financially. IE boycotting a game or boycotting season tickets as it hurts finance
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I don't think the chairman should resign but this issue does need sorting.
I think you need to turn up to a meeting en masse. One side has to convince the other that they are wrong. You left with dignity on Saturday. You need to turn up, control your anger and get your argument across. Same for the board.
It's either that or find a new club to support.
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I don't think the chairman should resign but this issue does need sorting.
I think you need to turn up to a meeting en masse. One side has to convince the other that they are wrong. You left with dignity on Saturday. You need to turn up, control your anger and get your argument across. Same for the board.
It's either that or find a new club to support.
The Chairman has declined to have a reasoned debate either at the Strategic Review, or when he was invited into the Non-League Show podcast. He is terrified of a one-to-one debate with the fans. We saw at the Strategic Review that he is a weak speaker, who mumbled his way through excuses and pointed the finger at all but himself. A face to face discussion is not an option whilst he is being so arrogant as to believe he is not the cause of this mess.
I find your "find a new club" statement insulting. We have been led to these protests because we love this club so much and want what is best for it. Not for a hidden agenda. Telling me to find a new club to support is like telling me to grow another head. With the best will in the world, I couldn't.
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I agree with my dear adversary George Heslop's Moustache .....supporters should expect another option and that in a situation of abject failure, the Head Honcho takes the responsibility for what has happened on his watch. That is exactly what would happen in a Private Company.
I am interested in Cheshire Cat's views, as he clearly is a calm and reasoned supporter and would like his answer to 2 questions that I feel are very pertinent to the running of our wonderful club that currently is in a real mess
1) Does he know why Andrew Shaw resigned. He was clearly a man of substance and repute but decided to wash his hands of what?
2) Does it disquiet you that the Twitter account was taken over, that supporters were allegedly stopped from speaking at the Review meeting and that the Club has been silent on both issues?
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First of all apologies to George and his moustache. I wasn't trying to insult you. It doesn't have to be a football club. Alternative sports are available.
I feel you could be in the wilderness for some time if Mr Rowley digs his heals in.
Unfortunately Spring I don't have any kind of inside track. I don't know anything of Andrew Shaw's resignation. My understanding is that Andrew was recruited in previous troubled times to help steady the ship. Maybe he thought his work was done or perhaps he could see the next round of trouble brewing. I don't know.
In answer to your second question Spring, I think that some explanation needs to be forthcoming but I fear that what whatever the explanation, it will not be well received. I don't want to dwell on Twittergate but it is my personal opinion that whoever (sorry I don't know names) was tweeting did it in as supportive a way of the protest as possible but someone decided they had overstepped a mark and decided to pull the plug. I believe the strategic meeting is still on facebook. A supporter attempted to get questions answered that historically had been ducked. The meeting chair decided this was "out of scope" and therefore attempted to bring things back on track. Whether this tactic was pre-planned
I don't know but it would have been naive not to have anticipated such a possibility.
The big issue is that in the absence of any communication on matters suspicion, rumour and all kind of alternative truths will prevail.
The chairman has offered a meeting and I think a couple of hundred season ticket holders turning up might be a sobering experience.
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You are quite right in the void caused by the club not communicating, one is left to imagine the worst scenarios. I.e. Andrew Shaw left because Graham Rowley would not resign and the Chairman himself order d the twitter account to be stopped. If either were true it would not look good for him but in the absence of facts conspiracy theories will abound.
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First of all apologies to George and his moustache. I wasn't trying to insult you. It doesn't have to be a football club. Alternative sports are available.
I feel you could be in the wilderness for some time if Mr Rowley digs his heals in.
Unfortunately Spring I don't have any kind of inside track. I don't know anything of Andrew Shaw's resignation. My understanding is that Andrew was recruited in previous troubled times to help steady the ship. Maybe he thought his work was done or perhaps he could see the next round of trouble brewing. I don't know.
In answer to your second question Spring, I think that some explanation needs to be forthcoming but I fear that what whatever the explanation, it will not be well received. I don't want to dwell on Twittergate but it is my personal opinion that whoever (sorry I don't know names) was tweeting did it in as supportive a way of the protest as possible but someone decided they had overstepped a mark and decided to pull the plug. I believe the strategic meeting is still on facebook. A supporter attempted to get questions answered that historically had been ducked. The meeting chair decided this was "out of scope" and therefore attempted to bring things back on track. Whether this tactic was pre-planned
I don't know but it would have been naive not to have anticipated such a possibility.
The big issue is that in the absence of any communication on matters suspicion, rumour and all kind of alternative truths will prevail.
The chairman has offered a meeting and I think a couple of hundred season ticket holders turning up might be a sobering experience.
Hi, as I was 'that supporter' I can assure you nothing was pre-planned on my part. I actually decided to raise the alleged Neil Young cyber bullying issue in response to a lengthy speech by Graham Heathcote, the main thrust of which was that all would be well if everyone pulled together and got behind the Board. In the interest of balance I thought that it needed to be pointed out this would be very difficult as the perception among a large % of supporters was the accusations had never been properly withdrawn by GR and was a significant continued cause of division. If allowed, I would've gone on to say facts are one thing but perception is another and when in a position of leadership you cannot afford the two to get muddied and let matters drift as they can become corrosive. This has clearly happened.
I fully accept this was outside the scope of the ground rules for discussion at the Review laid down by Ian Watmore. Then again so was Graham Heathcote's call to arms immediately preceding. I think you'll accept that if ground rules can be broken by one party and not another at the whim of 'authority' it amounts to censorship.
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The fact that Heathcote was given free reign to say what he wanted for as long as he wanted made a mockery of Ian Watmore's ground rules and also sickening how he begged for Doughty and by association himself to given the managers role.
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I would take an educated guess that Andrew Shaw just felt his job was done and in the face of flak coming the boards way felt the time was right to stand aside.
He and Geoff Goodwin always said they'd walk away when the job was done and the club was debt free.
I know Andrew was pivotal in the HMRC negotiations and the chequers end development and probably was more responsible than we know for the CSH.
Yes he came across as rude, arrogant and I know best but so did Geoff at times but both stepped down at the right time and their legacies should be gratefully remembered.....Grahame please take note.
Actually at the time of the chequers end concept the board clashed with STAR simply because Jacqui had come up with the idea of doing a sort of CSH in the chequers old night club...
I'd be far more interested in hearing Paul Daine's reasoning for stepping down.....but in doing so he should also be gratefully recognised, he is a staunch supporter of the club in voice and through financial sponsorship and a decent bloke.
What is really worrying is this thing is getting nastier and nastier and dragging other innocent people's names into the mud......The CSH manager is doing a tremendous job and should be respected regardless of family ties.
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I don't think the chairman should resign but this issue does need sorting.
I think you need to turn up to a meeting en masse. One side has to convince the other that they are wrong. You left with dignity on Saturday. You need to turn up, control your anger and get your argument across. Same for the board.
My feeling is, in the absence of no other option being offered, those with a grievances against the chairman should accept his invitation for a meeting. To dig heels in and dismiss it as a pointless exercise just continues this maddening impasse. Maybe a small delegation representing the views, requests and suggestions of embittered supporters would be best - the walkout seemed well planned and was generally respectful in its execution and aims. Whatever opinions people have of Mr Rowley's dealings with supporters, lets try and keep this dignified and work with what we have. Otherwise the slanging matches will continued indefinitely and no-one is benefiting in any way.
Colin
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You can't speak to a man who feels he is unaccountable for anything
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I agree with alty supporter......The 29 were organised and respectful.....I think they should accept the offer of a meeting and as many of that 29 attend with an agenda of points for grahame to respond to.......I'm sure they would then give respectful and accurate feedback.
Think it's the right thing to do...
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It's more than 29 tho. If he wants to be open and transparent he should hold an open meeting
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Indeed the figure of 29 is ridiculous,even if he was running the club well there would be as many as 29 fed up with something
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Hi JTH,
I wasn't suggesting that your question was pre-planned but I think the possibility that someone would raise the issue was high and therefore the board ought to have recognised it and probably agreed in advance how the situation might be handled.
Maybe Ian Watmore acted under instruction or unilaterally but I agree it does amount to censorship.
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Hi JTH,
I wasn't suggesting that your question was pre-planned but I think the possibility that someone would raise the issue was high and therefore the board ought to have recognised it and probably agreed in advance how the situation might be handled.
Maybe Ian Watmore acted under instruction or unilaterally but I agree it does amount to censorship.
Disastrous managerial appointments apart, it does happen (3 in a row mind is pushing it), the above is what has finished it for me. That and the unfounded accusations in the national press, for which GR has never taken ownership, let alone apologised for. The strategic review appears on the face of it to have been a completely ineffectual cosmetic exercise (and carried out by a family friend at that, how impartial). The club needs to make a statement about the Twitter episode. I'm afraid your argument on that one just doesn't add up as more was said about the protest both on Radio Robins and from John Laidler with his website updates and yet they were not sanctioned (nor should they have been). Again, on the face of it, this appears to have been done because those involved supported the action and not because of what was tweeted. The silence from the Club is deafening. The PR is right up there with the worst I've ever come across, naive at best.
Enough is enough.