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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Time to go on February 28, 2017, 10:00:32 AM
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Hi all,
When we play Stalybridge at home on 18th March we are planning on carrying a walk out in order to show our unhappiness with Grahame Rowley. We continue to be called a minority, so it is time to show them how many people aren't happy and that it's not just 10/15 people.
We have planned a walkout so that the club will not be affected as we will all still be paying to get in. We intend to walk out on the 15th minute of the game and then head back to the Tatton Arms where there will be some free food put on and we are looking at getting a game put on the teles such as the Birmingham game. We understand that some people won't be keen on paying £14 and then leaving but something has to be done, the board need to see how many people are unhappy.
We would also like the people that are saying they won't step foot in the ground again whilst rowley is the chairman to come and join us one more time. We completely understand why you aren't coming but we need as many on board for it to have any affect.
We hope as many join as possible if you feel the same as many of us does.
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The Chairman will probably just sit there with that Smug grin of his saying to his mates. "OK let them f**k off we have had the money for this game"
Good luck though with your plan, I hope you get a good response.
I would love to have been able to attend the review meeting last Sunday.
I genuinely cant attend matches at the present due to my wife being seriously ill.
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Cheers mate.
You're probably right, we're not expecting it to make much difference but something needs to be done so he can see how many are unhappy and to show other fans that it's not a minority.
Thoughts with you and the wife.
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Cheers mate.
You're probably right, we're not expecting it to make much difference but something needs to be done so he can see how many are unhappy and to show other fans that it's not a minority.
Thoughts with you and the wife.
Are you sure you'll be able to walk out ? The gates won't be open unless the stewards cooperate.
As an aside, there may also be a reluctance to walk out of that particular game since it's winnable.
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
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What about a center circle protest during the game!!! Or will that come later?
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Just as a word of warning, it would be better to garner support for this first and then decide when to do it and at which game. When you say 'we' have decided to do this I hope already that 'we' is a significant number of people.
This will have the reverse effect if 22 people walk out practically unnoticed from a 4 figure crowd.
I think that there would be more appropriate ways to show how many people are dissatisfied that would allow them to stay at the match, as Romeo mentions, its a winnable game and we may well be looking strong after 15 minutes.
I'd go with a more visible protest inside the ground. Keep it respectful mind, we dont want a mass moonying of the main stand.
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I agree it will be pointless if there isn't a decent amount but we already seem to if had a good response to the idea so hoping for good numbers. By staging a walkout it makes it visible to Mr Rowley to see how many people are actually leaving, whether he takes note or not is up to him.
Although it will get announced as a 4 figure crowd, there won't be that mabg there as season ticket holders are counted even when they don't attend.
The protest is going to be respectful, we will just be leaving the ground on 15 minutes.
We currently have a twitter account on the go- @GoodbyeRowley
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I think it would be wise to co-ordinate with the stewards about a particular gate being opened for those wishing to leave - nobody has any argument with them or wants to get into one.
Is there a particular reason for choosing the 15 minute mark?
The fact that the game is a winnable one is neither here nor there. The season's over and besides every home game in this league ought to be winnable. Trying to effect change at boardroom level is more important at this stage than supporting the team. I support this protest, though I can't attend.
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Couldn't of put it better myself Leon.
Yeah I will have a word with one of the stewards about exiting through the gold road gate.
No reason for the 15th minute mark to be honest, one of the lads suggested the minute of how many points were on at the time but thought it would be easier to stick with a minute so people know.
A shame you can't make it mate but thanks for the support.
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Not sure if I can make it anyway but I would join. But having travelled over the hills to see a game I'd go back in again...
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That's fair enough mate, completely understandable if you wished to go back in after travelling.
If you can make the game it would be great if you got involved.
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I don't understand why you are paying to go in. Lets say 100 people walk out. Thats £1400 you could have spent on a plane to fly over with a "Rowley Out" banner.
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I don't understand why you are paying to go in. Lets say 100 people walk out. Thats £1400 you could have spent on a plane to fly over with a "Rowley Out" banner.
I doubt if 100 will walk out
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I don't understand why you are paying to go in. Lets say 100 people walk out. Thats £1400 you could have spent on a plane to fly over with a "Rowley Out" banner.
I doubt if 100 will walk out
I agree with you but I am pleased that someone has stuck their head up and gone ahead and organised this.
It's the right thing to do to demonstrate just how strongly people feel and it is a civilised way of going about things.
If 100 people do walk out it will demonstrate that there is an issue albeit only 20% of the crowd felt strongly enough to walk out.
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I don't understand why you are paying to go in. Lets say 100 people walk out. Thats £1400 you could have spent on a plane to fly over with a "Rowley Out" banner.
My take on it is that it's a protest against the Chairman, not the Club. The Club does not lose the gate money but the statement is still made. Certainly something I can appreciate more than a complete boycott.
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
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A small article wrote up by Jacque Talbot, he intends to interview a few people next week. Jacque is also coming along on the protest to speak to people and get their views on the current situation.
https://jactal.wordpress.com/2017/02/28/altrincham-fans-plan-walkout-over-chairman-rowley/
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What's on the menu?
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
I think you have spectacularly missed the point, on both of your posts.
The issue for most is with Grahame as a figurehead. Many, many people on here have applauded his work and appreciate it.
The fact that Grahame has alienated fans, made unfounded accusations of abuse, lied about how he was reported in his interview with a Non league paper journalist and continued to do so, is why people feel his position is untenable.
Many people lack faith in him and he cut a very sorry figure at the completely ridiculous, pointless and disgustingly stage-managed affair that was the Strategic Review Meeting. The two new additions to hé board were far superior in their eloquence, confidence and general demeanour. They also weren't cracking jokes at the top table whilst people were speaking as Grahame and Derek were. That shows they have no respect for the fans.
And before you ask, I do voluntary work at the club and have done for years, I've been a season ticket holder up until going to university and I organise events with other groups and try to use the CSH as a base for them.
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
No person has questioned Mr Rowleys commitment to the football club. People want a new figurehead to unite the club after a succession of disastrous decisions. No person has said he should depart the football club, or stop giving his time. It is about culpability, and about taking the club forward as one. How terribly rude and arrogant to suggest people that follow the football club all over the country should go and watch another club. It doesn't work that way, as you should and probably do know.
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
A hilariously unconsidered post. Its as if you think supporters of this Football Club are obliged to volunteer their time, like its a prerequisite towards holding any sort of opinion.
First of all, after chatting with the supporters behind this I can say that they certainly are not expecting one hundred. No doubt they'll be proud if they reach anywhere near that amount.
I have a very good idea of who will be in support of the walkout. Within this group you will have:
- Radio Robins Volunteers
- Social Media Volunteers
- Volunteers directly involved in the upkeep of TASC's Away Travel
- Volunteers who get their hands dirty when the ground needs tidying
- Supporters with their names above the bar in the Community Sports Hall
- Supporters with Season Tickets
- Supporters who established a flourishing Altrincham FC Supporters Team
- Supporters who frequently support new Club Merchandise
- Supporters who travel the length of the country in support of the First Team, even now
- Supporters who attend Reserve & Youth fixtures where possible
- Supporters who organise events within the Community Sports Hall
- Supporters who attend practically all of the Club's Sportsmans Dinners, Race Nights and Beer Festivals
- Past Kitmen and Mascots to name two (voluntary)
Your other post alludes to a section of the fanbase that turns up to the games with the intention of getting pissed. A group of fans that, fundamentally, are not 'true supporters.' You sir, are dead wrong.
I could go on, but now you tell me, who fills that void if they walk out for good?
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Perhaps some of you have missed the points of my post.
Somebody asked who would fill the void if you all walked out. The answer is that probably most true supporters would not care if you walked out and never came back. If you genuinely believe that by paying £10 to get into a match you are indispensable to the club, I would suggest you are the delusional ones.
Equally somebody suggested I accused people of getting pissed......no such thing. All I said was that the comments on the strategic review soon became a debate on entry fees and beer......if in doubt review the posts.
My major point is that it would be better to try and do constructive things if you are interested in genuinely supporting the club, than trying to get rid of people who spend far more time than yourselves doing just that. I actually believe it would be better if Mr Rowley became vice chairman but that pre supposes there is someone better than him for the Chairman role.....are any of you able to do the job? .....or are you more bent on being destructive than constructive?
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Perhaps some of you have missed the points of my post.
Somebody asked who would fill the void if you all walked out. The answer is that probably most true supporters would not care if you walked out and never came back. If you genuinely believe that by paying £10 to get into a match you are indispensable to the club, I would suggest you are the delusional ones.
Equally somebody suggested I accused people of getting pissed......no such thing. All I said was that the comments on the strategic review soon became a debate on entry fees and beer......if in doubt review the posts.
My major point is that it would be better to try and do constructive things if you are interested in genuinely supporting the club, than trying to get rid of people who spend far more time than yourselves doing just that. I actually believe it would be better if Mr Rowley became vice chairman but that pre supposes there is someone better than him for the Chairman role.....are any of you able to do the job? .....or are you more bent on being destructive than constructive?
Very good. The club doesn't care about volunteers now? Deary me, you're not making a very good fist of this fishing are you?
What makes a true supporter in your eyes? The people that pay their money, don't volunteer and just happily slope off after a game pretending everything is ok and patting the board on the back for leading the club to the worst season in its history?
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Will the rowleys walk out of their paid positions?...in which case an ad in the job centre would answer the rather cheeky question posed...
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
Yeah everyone who disagrees with anything no matter how many years they've been going or however many miles they've travelled or money they've put in to the club should go and watch Salford...
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Thank you George Heslop's Moustache for responding to my question and listing what you did voluntarily to support the club.
Interesting that none of the other posters bothered to respond to this my major point..............could it be that they do absolutely nothing and slope off into the distance after each match blaming everyone else but themselves.
Please prove me wrong and list the ways you support your team .....will there be silence?.......will there be abuse? .......will there be prevarication? ......or will you make me eat humble pie?
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Spring....ive volunteered as a steward in the past and was fundraiser for star....work commitments prevent my volunteering or even attending games recently....
Do i satisfy your pompous stereo typing of someone not fit to have a say??
Rowley out!! Good luck the protestors....i wondered who the wind up merchant was at first...
Will you dare to reveal your true identity spring or will you continue to be a cyber warrior hiding cowardly behind a pseudonym???
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...What makes a true supporter in your eyes? The people that pay their money, don't volunteer and just happily slope off after a game pretending everything is ok and patting the board on the back for leading the club to the worst season in its history?....
Thought it might be timely to revisit this:
What is a club in any case? Not the buildings or the directors or the people who are paid to represent it. It’s not the television contracts, get-out clauses, marketing departments or executive boxes. It’s the noise, the passion, the feeling of belonging, the pride in your city. It’s a small boy clambering up stadium steps for the very first time, gripping his father’s hand, gawping at that hallowed stretch of turf beneath him and, without being able to do a thing about it, falling in love .
Just going to mull that over before commenting further on this subject.
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Thank you George Heslop's Moustache for responding to my question and listing what you did voluntarily to support the club.
Interesting that none of the other posters bothered to respond to this my major point..............could it be that they do absolutely nothing and slope off into the distance after each match blaming everyone else but themselves.
Please prove me wrong and list the ways you support your team .....will there be silence?.......will there be abuse? .......will there be prevarication? ......or will you make me eat humble pie?
So which member of the Rowley family are you then?
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Thank you George Heslop's Moustache for responding to my question and listing what you did voluntarily to support the club.
Interesting that none of the other posters bothered to respond to this my major point..............could it be that they do absolutely nothing and slope off into the distance after each match blaming everyone else but themselves.
Please prove me wrong and list the ways you support your team .....will there be silence?.......will there be abuse? .......will there be prevarication? ......or will you make me eat humble pie?
I quite literally provided a list for you.
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Thank you George Heslop's Moustache for responding to my question and listing what you did voluntarily to support the club.
Interesting that none of the other posters bothered to respond to this my major point..............could it be that they do absolutely nothing and slope off into the distance after each match blaming everyone else but themselves.
Please prove me wrong and list the ways you support your team .....will there be silence?.......will there be abuse? .......will there be prevarication? ......or will you make me eat humble pie?
That depends whether it's you posting or not as so far you're the only person on this thread to abuse your fellow supporters.
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Spring,
Can I say a massive thank you mate! You're making my job miles easier by highlighting the fact that if you're not volunteering/ one of rowleys pals then you're not part of the club.
Thank you
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I have not intended to abuse anyone, all I have done is taken a counter view and should anyone think I have abused them then I sincerely apologise.
To date I have been accused of being one of the Rowleys, pompous, a wind up merchant and castigated for using a pseudonym.....like everyone else!
My point is that it is easy to be negative and destructive but much harder to be constructive and positive.
Who is there that is capable of taking over as Chairman and will do a better job if Mr Rowley left? Who will take the slack of the undoubted hard work he achieves for the good of the club?
Are any of you thinking of these things or do you just want to act in a way that destroys the status quo......imperfect as it is.
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'Time to Go' prove your point by listing all the voluntary acts you do on behalf of the Robins. Please prove I am wrong about you and you do actually do positive things on behalf of the club. I cannot believe that you want to organise a walk out when you actually do nothing positive to assist.......surely not!
PS My question is not intended to be abusive just asking you to prove me wrong.
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Anyone who wants alty to win has a valid view.
Chairmen come and go....
There was life after white...berman...lloyd etc etc.
Noone needs to justify their view by listing their contributions to alty.
Think ill turn up and join the protest thanks for convincing me spring.
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On what do you base your belief that the more vocal and critical a fan is, the less he or she does for the club? You've offered nothing to back that up.
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Spring, why hide behind a name? Time to come out!
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'Time to Go' prove your point by listing all the voluntary acts you do on behalf of the Robins. Please prove I am wrong about you and you do actually do positive things on behalf of the club. I cannot believe that you want to organise a walk out when you actually do nothing positive to assist.......surely not!
PS My question is not intended to be abusive just asking you to prove me wrong.
What have voluntary acts actually got to do with anything and why are you so obsessed with them?! I can guarantee that not all 75,000 Man Utd supporters inside Old Trafford or 48,000 Man City fans inside the Etihad volunteer at their clubs but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter so why should it at Altrincham? We're a football club not a branch of The Salvation Army!!
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Why must you have to do voluntary work for the football club? Why can't you go and have a beer with your mates and have a sing on the terrace? 100s of fans over the country go and watch their local clubs and don't get abused/ belittled because they don't sell raffle tickets so why at this club does it happen?
But in response to your question over the years I've helped sell golden goal tickets, get people to sign up for TASC, helped out at club events by doing table service, helped clean the stands after games, done the turnstiles on a few occasions and spent times when I was younger cleaning the seats in the main stand with mates in the school holidays.
Am I a big enough fan? Or does doing all that and travelling all over the county supporting the club not count because I'm against rowley after leading us to back to back relegations?
You sum up everything that is wrong with the club, if you're not a rowley happy clapper then your just an outsider that doesn't matter.
Sad sad times.
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Time to go....he probably will need your cv before commenting further..
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You're probably right mate.
He'll be introducing a league table soon on how big of a fan we all are based on voluntary work.
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'Time to Go' prove your point by listing all the voluntary acts you do on behalf of the Robins. Please prove I am wrong about you and you do actually do positive things on behalf of the club. I cannot believe that you want to organise a walk out when you actually do nothing positive to assist.......surely not!
PS My question is not intended to be abusive just asking you to prove me wrong.
What have voluntary acts actually got to do with anything and why are you so obsessed with them?! I can guarantee that not all 75,000 Man Utd supporters inside Old Trafford or 48,000 Man City fans inside the Etihad volunteer at their clubs but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter so why should it at Altrincham? We're a football club not a branch of The Salvation Army!!
Indeed. Does any other football club decide the chairman based on a “volunteering competition”, regardless of their ability as a football club chairman?
Let’s not sacrifice the future of OUR football club based on who cleans the bogs.
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I support this team and club by going to as many home games I can buying a pie and beer bringing my daughter and singing and playing in charity events and recently weeded the ground
However if I did nothing it's irrelevant my opinion is as relevant as the next person who may or may not do anything
Soon you will have to have been coming over 30 years to have an opinion... which I have as well
But let's be clear that's irrelevant as well
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We've heard all of this is before Wayne. At Chorley, somebody tried to call out a longstanding fan of 15 or so years by claiming he'd been going for 50. When the first person pointed out he was only in his mid-twenties and couldn't do anything about that the other chap replied "I'll see you at Brackley" meaning the other fellow wasn't as big a fan for not travelling to brackley, which he actually did.
It's this kind of "I've done more than you" attitude that is so rife at the club that makes people feel there is such a clique. Something that should not be happening.
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'Time to Go' prove your point by listing all the voluntary acts you do on behalf of the Robins. Please prove I am wrong about you and you do actually do positive things on behalf of the club. I cannot believe that you want to organise a walk out when you actually do nothing positive to assist.......surely not!
PS My question is not intended to be abusive just asking you to prove me wrong.
What have voluntary acts actually got to do with anything and why are you so obsessed with them?! I can guarantee that not all 75,000 Man Utd supporters inside Old Trafford or 48,000 Man City fans inside the Etihad volunteer at their clubs but it doesn't make them any less of a supporter so why should it at Altrincham? We're a football club not a branch of The Salvation Army!!
Indeed. Does any other football club decide the chairman based on a “volunteering competition”, regardless of their ability as a football club chairman?
Let’s not sacrifice the future of OUR football club based on who cleans the bogs.
Exactly. There are numerous people who have volunteered for years here. Does that make them any more of a candidate to be chairman? Of course not.
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We've heard all of this is before Wayne. At Chorley, somebody tried to call out a longstanding fan of 15 or so years by claiming he'd been going for 50. When the first person pointed out he was only in his mid-twenties and couldn't do anything about that the other chap replied "I'll see you at Brackley" meaning the other fellow wasn't as big a fan for not travelling to brackley, which he actually did.
It's this kind of "I've done more than you" attitude that is so rife at the club that makes people feel there is such a clique. Something that should not be happening.
Exactly.. however I do feel we should introduce a rule that new forum members with low posts are not allowed an opinion for a least a year 😂😂
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Will the rowleys walk out of their paid positions?...in which case an ad in the job centre would answer the rather cheeky question posed...
So far as I am aware the only Rowley who is paid is Stacey who is doing a rather good job of Managing the CSH I hope you agree
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Hi all,
When we play Stalybridge at home on 18th March we are planning on carrying a walk out in order to show our unhappiness with Grahame Rowley. We continue to be called a minority, so it is time to show them how many people aren't happy and that it's not just 10/15 people.
We have planned a walkout so that the club will not be affected as we will all still be paying to get in. We intend to walk out on the 15th minute of the game and then head back to the Tatton Arms where there will be some free food put on and we are looking at getting a game put on the teles such as the Birmingham game. We understand that some people won't be keen on paying £14 and then leaving but something has to be done, the board need to see how many people are unhappy.
We would also like the people that are saying they won't step foot in the ground again whilst rowley is the chairman to come and join us one more time. We completely understand why you aren't coming but we need as many on board for it to have any affect.
We hope as many join as possible if you feel the same as many of us does.
excellent idea - count me in
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Perhaps it would be helpful if those that intend walking out in order to encourage Mr Rowley to resign, explain how they see the voluntary work being done by him and his family being replaced.
Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Why don't the 100 respond to this to prove me wrong; by not giving abuse or evading the question but by stating what they do for the club now and what they would do in the future to fill the vacuum of work created by the Rowley family leaving.
Poor post. It stinks of nepotism and its also a poor assertion that those that only pay on the turnstiles have no place giving a negative opinion of the club or its volunteers.
We've spent thousands on Alty home and away over the years. The incredible commitment of time collectively runs into years of travel and trauma.
Incredible attitude to take. The club is losing hundreds of thousands of pounds and being set back decades by the poor decisions and lack of respect for the importance of footballing matters. That alone usurps a lot of good work that has been done. The board have presided over a poor business model that sees us rely on volunteers whilst clubs with similar status and demographics attract investment and become sustainable clubs in the conf of football league. We've sat still, felt sorry for ourselves and got left behind. Now we are dragging ourselves further behind.
To suggest any of us should go and support another club is laughable. Be careful what you wish for.
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Are these 100 people supporters that spend a lot of their time and effort in voluntary work for the club by fund raising, helping at the ground etc or is the fact that they spend money on an entry fee enough for them to believe they are an important element of the club. Naturally if the latter it would seem best to most fair minded people that they they carried on walking and add their non support to Salford FC or whoever.
Fabio Bassangue's English Tutor has already given you a comprehensive breakdown of what a large number of the supporters who want change do to help the club (not that it should be necessary anyway). You seem to have spectacularly ignored this. Quite apart from all those that actually do volunteer, the vast majority of those wanting change support the club the length and breadth of the land. Not only do they pay at the turnstiles, they buy programmes, put money behind the bar in the CSH, buy food, support all of the fundraising ventures. It is these same people that you feel do not have a right to a say who always dig into their hard earned money to support the club. A club is nothing without its supporters and the name is very apt, you should look up the definition of support.
You feel they don't have a right to express their opinion unless they have taken part in some bizarre form of dick measuring contest and yet you feel free to pontificate having already admitted that for the last forty years you have only supported from afar. Spectacular double standards. Well done Sir.
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What a great response ......Wayne wants to ban any one giving an opinion that is different from his, for a year .......free speech??
...... Leon accuses me of hiding behind a pseudonym when the website asks for one and most of you use one !!
Most of you have proven by your responses that you do diddly squat by making such a fuss that showing positive commitment to the club doesn't really matter and not one of you has seen fit to answer what the plan is, should the current chairman resign.
What is the alternative plan you guys have......apart from walking out and having a pint at the Tatton Arms and congratulating yourselves on achieving what exactly!
For the record, as I stated in my response to the Strategic Plan post, I do not think the present chairman has covered himself in glory and would be better suited if he voluntarily moved back to being vice chairman, if there is a genuine better alternative. However he has proved by his actions that he has a total commitment for the club and a commitment that should put most posters on this site to shame. The issue is whether or not there is anyone better and whether he is prepared to move back to the board, as this is clearly is his choice. If he left completely there would be a huge vacuum created and the club would most likely suffer if there was not an orderly succession plan.
I reiterate again I am not trying to be abusive to anyone only stating my point of view......just sorry it doesn't agree with all of yours and that I have disturbed your own back slapping posts to each other.
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I put in the original post that we know it probably won't change anything or have any effect. We're doing it to prove to rowley that it's more than just a few that aren't happy, he needs to see how many people aren't happy,
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What a great response ......Wayne wants to ban any one giving an opinion that is different from his, for a year .......free speech??
...... Leon accuses me of hiding behind a pseudonym when the website asks for one and most of you use one !!
Most of you have proven by your responses that you do diddly squat by making such a fuss that showing positive commitment to the club doesn't really matter and not one of you has seen fit to answer what the plan is, should the current chairman resign.
What is the alternative plan you guys have......apart from walking out and having a pint at the Tatton Arms and congratulating yourselves on achieving what exactly!
For the record, as I stated in my response to the Strategic Plan post, I do not think the present chairman has covered himself in glory and would be better suited if he voluntarily moved back to being vice chairman, if there is a genuine better alternative. However he has proved by his actions that he has a total commitment for the club and a commitment that should put most posters on this site to shame. The issue is whether or not there is anyone better and whether he is prepared to move back to the board, as this is clearly is his choice. If he left completely there would be a huge vacuum created and the club would most likely suffer if there was not an orderly succession plan.
I reiterate again I am not trying to be abusive to anyone only stating my point of view......just sorry it doesn't agree with all of yours and that I have disturbed your own back slapping posts to each other.
this is my favourite post so far thanks
Not only do you think those that don't help should not have an opinion but you have no sense of humour either
I'm done here
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What a great response ......Wayne wants to ban any one giving an opinion that is different from his, for a year .......free speech??
...... Leon accuses me of hiding behind a pseudonym when the website asks for one and most of you use one !!
Oh dear lord, you say you have supported (in the very loosest sense of the word) for 60 years and yet your responses are somewhat akin to those of an offended child. You choose to ignore the responses that have actually outlined what people do and instead home in on responses that in Wayne's case was completely tongue in cheek (but went right over your head).
You are entitled to your opinion just as much as the next person (although if we were using your criteria, you would not be entitled to an opinion of any sort).
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Bill Waterson would be my choice, experienced in business, a real Aly fan and somebody willing to put his hand in his pockets. Hopefully that satisfies your criteria Spring? By the way there are probably many qualified others!
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DT Thanks for answering the question in a constructive manner. Understandably it is probably impossible to know whether he would be prepared to take the role if offered but conceivably he might be a positive way forward.
You have the distinction of being the first person to say something constructive rather than purely attacking me on the grounds that it is a different opinion from the other 99% who are on this site.
Have all the Alty supporters with different opinions been driven off or don't they care?
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DT Thanks for answering the question in a constructive manner. Understandably it is probably impossible to know whether he would be prepared to take the role if offered but conceivably he might be a positive way forward.
You have the distinction of being the first person to say something constructive rather than purely attacking me on the grounds that it is a different opinion from the other 99% who are on this site.
Have all the Alty supporters with different opinions been driven off or don't they care?
Most supporters are now of the same opinion
ROWLEY OUT
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What a great response ......Wayne wants to ban any one giving an opinion that is different from his, for a year .......free speech??
...... Leon accuses me of hiding behind a pseudonym when the website asks for one and most of you use one !!
Most of you have proven by your responses that you do diddly squat by making such a fuss that showing positive commitment to the club doesn't really matter and not one of you has seen fit to answer what the plan is, should the current chairman resign.
What is the alternative plan you guys have......apart from walking out and having a pint at the Tatton Arms and congratulating yourselves on achieving what exactly!
For the record, as I stated in my response to the Strategic Plan post, I do not think the present chairman has covered himself in glory and would be better suited if he voluntarily moved back to being vice chairman, if there is a genuine better alternative. However he has proved by his actions that he has a total commitment for the club and a commitment that should put most posters on this site to shame. The issue is whether or not there is anyone better and whether he is prepared to move back to the board, as this is clearly is his choice. If he left completely there would be a huge vacuum created and the club would most likely suffer if there was not an orderly succession plan.
I reiterate again I am not trying to be abusive to anyone only stating my point of view......just sorry it doesn't agree with all of yours and that I have disturbed your own back slapping posts to each other.
I mean, I literally didn't...
This old saw about there being nobody to replace Rowley has come up here many times before and it's nonsense. The next chairman could be someone currently on the board or a longstanding supporter or someone who's just moved to the area or someone previously involved with another football club or a retired businessman or any number of other possibilities. GR needs to indicate his intention to stand down and then the process of finding his successor will begin. Nobody would have named Geoff Goodwin as a potential chairman before he was appointed.
Altrincham FC functioned long before GR was involved and will continue to once he's gone. GR and his entourage have fostered an illusion of their irreplaceability and you've fallen for it.
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DT Thanks for answering the question in a constructive manner. Understandably it is probably impossible to know whether he would be prepared to take the role if offered but conceivably he might be a positive way forward.
You have the distinction of being the first person to say something constructive rather than purely attacking me on the grounds that it is a different opinion from the other 99% who are on this site.
Have all the Alty supporters with different opinions been driven off or don't they care?
Most supporters are now of the same opinion
ROWLEY OUT
On what do you base that assertion? You can't possibly know that. If half the ground clears in two weeks time I'll believe you.
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Sponge
The current vote for Rowley Out being conducted on this site by Jezza only has a 27% vote for Rowley Out .....does that constitute most?
Leon
It is noted how confident you are that there is a long list of candidates ready to step up to be abused by the Alty faithful.
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You have the distinction of being the first person to say something constructive rather than purely attacking me on the grounds that it is a different opinion from the other 99% who are on this site.
Once again, I refer you to the post by Fabio Bassangue's English Tutor which comprehensively answered your question about what the supporters you choose to question do to help the club. Reread it for it refers to many of those who feel totally disenfranchised under the current set up. I doubt you will though as you appear to be more blinkered than those you challenge from your far off ivory tower.
I will repeat, even YOU are entitled to your opinion. People will have different views and I have no problem with that, but you choose to cherry pick from the responses to suit your own agenda. I'll even provide you with a link to Fabio's post to make it easy for you:
http://www.altyfans.co.uk/index.php?topic=22284.msg261483#msg261483
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Sponge
The current vote for Rowley Out being conducted on this site by Jezza only has a 27% vote for Rowley Out .....does that constitute most?
Leon
It is noted how confident you are that there is a long list of candidates ready to step up to be abused by the Alty faithful.
A more accurate way of putting that would be 38/50 (76%) who have voted so far want Graham Rowley to step down as Chairman. Many would be content for him to still have some kind of role on the community side but anyone who has seen our utterly lamentable demise with him signing off the decisions over the last two seasons cannot seriously be content with him staying on a Chairman. I stlll think you are spectacularly missing Leon's point. 'Step up to be abused', let's see the charge sheet: Maligned our support in the national press, appointed managers on personal relations and sentiment and not what's best for the club, presided over our impending relegation to our lowest level in our 113 year history, should I go on...
(Been watching since 1986 Spring, have sponsored players, name above the bar, went to Torquay and Exeter away in the same week etc etc so hope i meet you criterion to be entitiled to an opinion)
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The current vote for Rowley Out being conducted on this site by Jezza only has a 27% vote for Rowley Out .....does that constitute most?
Cherry picking at its finest again eh? Damn lies and statistics as they say.
27% on that poll want him gone completely, but there are another 48% that want him to step down as chairman. So, once again, not that it really matters as you could argue about the statistical significance of a straw poll of online supporters being extrapolated to the general support, that poll shows (currently) that over 75% want him gone as chairman.
Anyone for cherries?
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Regarding the maligning of supporters. Is there absolute proof of what was said. I know he has denied saying things and did again on Sunday and said he had asked for a retraction but has had no response.
Was the conversation recorded?
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
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Thanks whisky
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Regarding the maligning of supporters. Is there absolute proof of what was said. I know he has denied saying things and did again on Sunday and said he had asked for a retraction but has had no response.
Was the conversation recorded?
The reporter in question has been contacted personally on several occasions and has categorically stated that GR has not been in touch with him since despite having his number in his phone. So somebody is telling lies. You may choose to believe that it is the reporter, but in this instance he has nothing to gain by telling lies, whereas GR arguably does.
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At midnight, after the meeting, I had posted that I accepted Grahame Rowley's comments about the press interview and that, on balance, he should remain as chairman, with the caveat that he needed to retain the fans' support. I also note Uncle Globnasty's comment about the reporter.
However, I have now reversed that decision. Let me try to explain why.
Every time something bad happens there seems to be an attack on the supporters from a third party, to deflect criticism and force the supporters to justify themselves. We had a disgusted police officer at Trafford, Neil Young after his resignation and now Spring suddenly appears at the time of this protest (at least, Spring has posted his own comments rather than had them "reported" by someone else). I really don't think this is coincidence.
Now, we are having to justify how much we volunteer for the club, how long we have supported them or whether we would spend any reduction in admission price on beer, rather than discuss the running of the club. Whether or not this is coincidence, it demonstrates some peoples' contempt for supporters.
PS I used to live more than 200 miles away, but still got to quite a few games (not that I would blame any exile for missing games this season!)
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The past doesn't equal the future
I'm sure I've read that somewhere
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Regarding the maligning of supporters. Is there absolute proof of what was said. I know he has denied saying things and did again on Sunday and said he had asked for a retraction but has had no response.
Was the conversation recorded?
The reporter in question has been contacted personally on several occasions and has categorically stated that GR has not been in touch with him since despite having his number in his phone. So somebody is telling lies. You may choose to believe that it is the reporter, but in this instance he has nothing to gain by telling lies, whereas GR arguably does.
I'll have to disagree with you there. He had a story to write to please his paymasters and he has a reputation to protect.
Football is full of this kind of stuff and without a recording I'm not willing to believe either account. Either one of them could be lying. If you talk to any solicitor they will tell you that often in court both protagonists believe their version of events is the absolute truth. Rolf Harris still thinks he is innocent.
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Regarding the maligning of supporters. Is there absolute proof of what was said. I know he has denied saying things and did again on Sunday and said he had asked for a retraction but has had no response.
Was the conversation recorded?
The reporter in question has been contacted personally on several occasions and has categorically stated that GR has not been in touch with him since despite having his number in his phone. So somebody is telling lies. You may choose to believe that it is the reporter, but in this instance he has nothing to gain by telling lies, whereas GR arguably does.
I'll have to disagree with you there. He had a story to write to please his paymasters and he has a reputation to protect.
Football is full of this kind of stuff and without a recording I'm not willing to believe either account. Either one of them could be lying. If you talk to any solicitor they will tell you that often in court both protagonists believe their version of events is the absolute truth. Rolf Harris still thinks he is innocent.
The story was already written, done and dusted. He could just as easily keep his reputation in tact by saying he wasn't going to change his story as it was the truth. He had nothing to gain by saying GR had not contacted him.
Add to that GR's past record in comments regarding supporters in the press and indeed in the programme and you may not think 2 and 2 equals 4, but it's certainly somewhere in the vicinity.
As I said, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm sure this won't change it, but there's one hell of a lot of circumstantial evidence even if you can't convict on that alone.
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Sponge
The current vote for Rowley Out being conducted on this site by Jezza only has a 27% vote for Rowley Out .....does that constitute most?
Leon
It is noted how confident you are that there is a long list of candidates ready to step up to be abused by the Alty faithful.
I did not say there was a long list of candidates - I doubt there would be - but a long list of possible sources for two or three good candidates to come forward.
And can you please give me an instance of GR being abused by the Alty faithful?
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Thanks for the comments, it has been interesting to gauge the strength of reaction and I will now resist in infuriating any of you any more. Please understand it was dome for the best of motives and purely was my initiative......I don't know anyone in 'power' at the club.
I still think walk outs are empty and negative gestures but I do respect that most of you are nearer the coalface and have had to suffer the footballing disaster at first hand. Personally I would have preferred something a bit more constructive with a more positive end in mind for all parties.
Has there ever been talk about a Spectator Representative being given a place on the Board with a specific remit to be the bridge between the Board and the spectators?
Is there any mileage in an open letter signed by supporters thanking Mr Rowley for all the work he puts into the club but suggesting it would be a two way win if he reverted back to vice chairman and that a new Chairman was elected ?
Incidentally does anybody know the background as to why Mr Shaw left the board? Would he have liked to be Chairman?
Here's hoping for a result tomorrow night but only the most extreme optimist would not think our relegation is not assured.
Over and out to the relief of most of you!!!!
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Thanks for the comments, it has been interesting to gauge the strength of reaction and I will now resist in infuriating any of you any more. Please understand it was dome for the best of motives and purely was my initiative......I don't know anyone in 'power' at the club.
I still think walk outs are empty and negative gestures but I do respect that most of you are nearer the coalface and have had to suffer the footballing disaster at first hand. Personally I would have preferred something a bit more constructive with a more positive end in mind for all parties.
Has there ever been talk about a Spectator Representative being given a place on the Board with a specific remit to be the bridge between the Board and the spectators?
Is there any mileage in an open letter signed by supporters thanking Mr Rowley for all the work he puts into the club but suggesting it would be a two way win if he reverted back to vice chairman and that a new Chairman was elected ?
Incidentally does anybody know the background as to why Mr Shaw left the board? Would he have liked to be Chairman?
Here's hoping for a result tomorrow night but only the most extreme optimist would not think our relegation is not assured.
Over and out to the relief of most of you!!!!
You have some good points there. Obviously, emotions are running high currently, and people, or I at least, can be sensitive to any perceived criticism, but I am sure you posted for the good of the club and I am sorry if I impugned your motives.
One of the recommendations at the meeting was to have a supporter representative on the board, which the board did seem quite keen to take on.
As for the open letter. Yes, that seems like a constructive suggestion to allow him to step back a little with dignity which a lot of people, me included, would find easier to support than a walk out, but I can't see it having any more effect than the poll on the other thread; you could argue that both are self selecting and some people probably will.
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He did, after all, make a point of saying he'd been re-elected as chairman for three years. I don't see any action we mere "stakeholders" take making one iota of difference.
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I agree with someone's previous post about a poll to see who wants Graham Rowley to resign as chairman, that way you may get an understanding as to the numbers that might support the staged walkout at the stalybridge game
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Do we still have to pay to get into the game if we are walking out?
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Do we still have to pay to get into the game if we are walking out?
not if you climb in over the wall no 😎
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Spring,
Can I say a massive thank you mate! You're making my job miles easier by highlighting the fact that if you're not volunteering/ one of rowleys pals then you're not part of the club.
Thank you
Next he will be agreeing with that fool phil and say we are thriving
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Spring,
Can I say a massive thank you mate! You're making my job miles easier by highlighting the fact that if you're not volunteering/ one of rowleys pals then you're not part of the club.
Thank you
Next he will be agreeing with that fool phil and say we are thriving
DISCLAIMER ! NOT THIS PHIL !
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Do we still have to pay to get into the game if we are walking out?
Read his original post. Of course we pay to get in.
We in no way want to harm the club, financially or otherwise. This protest is not against the club as a whole, just at the current chairman, asking NG that he relinquish his iron like grip on the chairman for the good of the Football Club.
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Spring,
Can I say a massive thank you mate! You're making my job miles easier by highlighting the fact that if you're not volunteering/ one of rowleys pals then you're not part of the club.
Thank you
Next he will be agreeing with that fool phil and say we are thriving
DISCLAIMER ! NOT THIS PHIL !
Yes not that phil who i believe does not think we are thriving
On a serious note i will be whole heartedly supporting the walk out and getting as many people as i can to join us
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First of all, a big apology. When I saw the 'walk out' thread, I imagined that the group behind it were a 'rabble' who didn't have the interests of AFC as of paramount concern. There has always been this portrayal of an 'enemy' within and I assumed you were part of the enemy. I now see from our interactions that this is far from the truth and you are passionate about the club and feel totally let down by events...........any on reflection why shouldn't you? Seeing the article which depicted Alty as the most unsuccessful team in England reminded me of when Hyde United were in the same situation and it is gut wrenching. Equally the reason for this is that terrible decisions have been taken on the playing side and these decisions have ultimately been endorsed by Mr Rowley. It is rather akin to a Chairman of a business appointing two MD's in a row that have taken the company towards bankruptcy and then has not the 'class' to accept that a new broom is needed, irrespective of successes with the finances and the Community Hall ( I think!!).
As I have said previously I do think Mr Rowley has proved his commitment to the club with the time and effort he has put in but it comes down at the end of the day to commitment v competency. One needs both to be successful and regrettably for all concerned, including himself he has failed on one of those criteria. Clearly he does not see it that way and seems determined to stay.....is that because of arrogance, ego, because he likes the trappings of the role or being fair because he has the self believe to think he is the best man for the job. It would be fascinating to know. Equally why did Mr Shaw, a highly respected figure resign.....was it because Mr Rowley refused to fall on his sword? Another fascinating question of which we will probably never know the answer.
Given this situation the fundamental question I suppose, is what is best for AFC and what can be done to achieve this? I think the straw poll started by Jezza was a great idea as it does put some focus on quantifications rather than it just being seen as the actions of an ill informed and unspecified group. This looks likely to point to the fact that the majority would accept Mr Rowley as a board member but not as chairman......this seems to me as a very mature approach from the fans, as it does not cast Mr Rowley as 'the devil' but as a hard working supporter of AFC who is in the wrong role and needs to be helped to see that this is the reality.
Is this really the objective? If so can 'supporter power' help him see this? If so what is the best way forward? Will a walk out contribute or will they just open the gates and ignore it? Personally I prefer the approach of an open letter that is shared with the press and recognises the good work of Mr Rowley but also publically highlights the obvious failures that have occurred to turn us into 'the most unsuccessful team in English football' ......a legacy of the current way the club has been run.
Sorry for going on but I felt bad about doubting your good intentions and wanted to try and be constructive to assist the current plight of AFC.
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I won't be walking out. Not that should be perceived as support for our current predicament but the fact I want to support the 11 players on the pitch.
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Fair play Spring, a very well thought out response to the situation. Nobody wants the club to fail. People are just doing what they think is right in our current dire situation.
An open letter is an option that is being discussed.
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Fair enough Spring. I'd suggest that the whole 'enemy within element' of Altrincham's support and the club as a whole is an unsubstantiated fantasy that was born out of seeds planted by club officials themselves.
I'm not directing this at the chairman himself although he is ultimately responsible for the clubs staff, paid or unpaid.
Large sections of our support are being alienated because of their opinions and you chose to reflect that alienation. Its being put out there that this club has a section of followers who call themselves supporters but are actually just and angry vocal minority who have only the sensationalism of mass change on their minds and are ignoring the good work of the club and the true values and efforts being made. Its nonsense.
We are fans of this club.
You asked us to list what we do for the club, how we contribute. I think its irrelevant. I love this club, its as close to being in my blood as anything could be. I support Altrincham FC proudly wherever I go and with whoever I meet and that includes every corner of the globe. When it comes to my life outside of family, loved ones and my job i'm an Alty fan. And I would say i'm not even close to the passion, commitment and sentiment thats carried by a lot of our fans and particularly the ones being singled out. Its absolutely absurd that our opinions and reflections of the clubs current position should be ignored or dismissed.
I appreciate that you have taken time to reflect on every post on here and be honest enough to tell us what you thought and think now. I think you'll find all of us have plenty in common and the primary thing is the success of our football club regardless of our level of contribution or how we think it should be achieved.
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
This makes me think that Mr Rowley isn't really bothered about the walk out. He's obviously said just open the gate and let them go if they want.
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
This makes me think that Mr Rowley isn't really bothered about the walk out. He's obviously said just open the gate and let them go if they want.
He's a bit dammed if he does and dammed if he doesn't here though isn't he? Surely the only way to do it is to act in a normal manner.
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
This makes me think that Mr Rowley isn't really bothered about the walk out. He's obviously said just open the gate and let them go if they want.
They have no choice, they know that at a given time there is likely to be a large number of people leaving the ground. Imagine they refuse to open the main gates and something happens. Its total common sense.
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
This makes me think that Mr Rowley isn't really bothered about the walk out. He's obviously said just open the gate and let them go if they want.
They have no choice, they know that at a given time there is likely to be a large number of people leaving the ground. Imagine they refuse to open the main gates and something happens. Its total common sense.
On what possible grounds could the club refuse to open any gate to anyone who requests to leave at any point during a game. I think they've made a rather unnecessary statement.
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They've obviously decided to open that gate because it is out of the way and seems like the protestors are leaving quietly through the back door.
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I think you are reading too much in to it. The main gate is closed to stop people getting in.
I think its OK to open the far gate in fact its probably the best possible situation. Far from sloping off it will be very visible from the directors seats as to how many are actually leaving. That sounds like a result to me.
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Are flares and smoke bombs allowed outside the ground?
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I don't see why not, they can't keep us locked in the ground if we wish to be let out.
Yeah I can see where you're coming from but it was just the next home game so that's why it's been chosen. We will probably lose anyway...
time out the club have given stewards permission to open gate one which is the gate at the end of golf road /popular side of ground the gate will be opened at 15-15 to let you all out.
This makes me think that Mr Rowley isn't really bothered about the walk out. He's obviously said just open the gate and let them go if they want.
They have no choice, they know that at a given time there is likely to be a large number of people leaving the ground. Imagine they refuse to open the main gates and something happens. Its total common sense.
On what possible grounds could the club refuse to open any gate to anyone who requests to leave at any point during a game. I think they've made a rather unnecessary statement.
Agree with cheshire cat, this is the only sensible thing to do, and i dont think they have made a statement have they? I think they just confirmed to a fan who requested? Unless I've missed something, an official statement would be weird!!!
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Agree with cheshire cat, this is the only sensible thing to do, and i dont think they have made a statement have they? I think they just confirmed to a fan who requested? Unless I've missed something, an official statement would be weird!!!
OK, no statement - just semantics.
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I think you are reading too much in to it. The main gate is closed to stop people getting in.
I think its OK to open the far gate in fact its probably the best possible situation. Far from sloping off it will be very visible from the directors seats as to how many are actually leaving. That sounds like a result to me.
What's that? Yep, that's a fast approaching WHOOOOOOOOSSSSHHHHH!
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On what possible grounds could the club refuse to open any gate to anyone who requests to leave at any point during a game. I think they've made a rather unnecessary statement.
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They cannot refuse to let anyone out as they cannot hold you against your will, What they can do is stop you coming back in once you have walked out as you have paid for one admission the first time you came through the turnstiles. Trying to get back in counts as a re admission
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The only reason gate one was picked by the stewards to open . Is because at. 15-15 all the other gates are by turnstiles which will be still open and taking cash
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The only reason gate one was picked by the stewards to open . Is because at. 15-15 all the other gates are by turnstiles which will be still open and taking cash
I wouldn't justify yourself . Whatever gate is opened is fine the fans can leave as they want . Great work getting a response so quick to the fans .
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The only reason gate one was picked by the stewards to open . Is because at. 15-15 all the other gates are by turnstiles which will be still open and taking cash
And won't be picked up by AltyTv
Just call me cynical.
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The only reason gate one was picked by the stewards to open . Is because at. 15-15 all the other gates are by turnstiles which will be still open and taking cash
And won't be picked up by AltyTv
Just call me cynical.
You're cynical. Probably the result of standing next to me at matches ;)
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The club are making 2000 tickets available to local schools (adult £5 + child free) so assuming there are 2000 kids who want to go to the game it should be a full house. If 100 walk out nobody will notice.
http://www.altrinchamfccsh.com/free-school-tickets/
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It will be noticed next season when they have driven regular supporters away. Once the financial and physical input of those supporters is no longer around.
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It's not going to be that noticeable even with 1000 there
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1st it was heathcote out,then sinnot out,then it was Tolson out,then Young,then Harvey now its Buzz and his management team and Rowley.I think it needs to stop and people get behind the club.We have not been relegated yet(i know its going to happen sadly)but its time to stand together and build for the future.
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The club are making 2000 tickets available to local schools (adult £5 + child free) so assuming there are 2000 kids who want to go to the game it should be a full house. If 100 walk out nobody will notice.
http://www.altrinchamfccsh.com/free-school-tickets/
How many will actually go though?
How do you know it won't be noticeable? A significant number of people moving in one group at a time when most people are not moving around the ground will be noticeable.
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1st it was heathcote out,then sinnot out,then it was Tolson out,then Young,then Harvey now its Buzz and his management team and Rowley.I think it needs to stop and people get behind the club.We have not been relegated yet(i know its going to happen sadly)but its time to stand together and build for the future.
And to be honest, the fans were right on all those occasions. Some managers who'd lost the plot and a good few who should never have been appointed. It's difficult to think positively about the club and get behind them with the man responsible for the debacles of the last 18 months still in place. Get a new Chairman and I think there'll be a totally different response from people.
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1st it was heathcote out,then sinnot out,then it was Tolson out,then Young,then Harvey now its Buzz and his management team and Rowley.I think it needs to stop and people get behind the club.We have not been relegated yet(i know its going to happen sadly)but its time to stand together and build for the future.
I think the real 'Heathcote out' attitude only came out of frustration at a time when we were failing on the pitch and looked out of ideas, not saying its justified but it seems pretty standard to me. Sinnout, for a lrge part of his time at Alty was well supported, a small number of fans maintained throughout his tenure a desire to not have him as manager, but I think on the whole majority of fans supported him and bought into his ideas. People called for his head when we catastrophically failed to bolster the squad which basically cost us our place in that league, again pretty standard time to be calling his position to question. Tolson, Young and Harvey I think quite rightly should have expected to have little backing from the fans, none of them ever got off the ground or gave us anything to cheer about.
For Buzz I can't decide if he is on a hiding to nothing or if he is genuinely failing. In the last 14 league games, stretching back to start of December we have failed to score in 7 and only scored twice on two occasions. Whilst the defence has tightened up a bit game after game we look sterile and rarely test opposition keepers, whilst Reeves sits on the bench. I'd suggest a decent manager would have looked at our squad and built a team that feeds Reeves balls in the box to score goals, hard to imagine that a club with Reeves can be so little of a threat. How can we not have him on the pitch getting fit and banging them in? To me all of MD's talk of how we are progressing is nonsense, we're still in freefall. I'd like someone to come in who doesn't need any help, MD says himself this is too big a job for him alone hence why he gets help from GH and RL. Do we really think that putting a novice in charge who by his own admission needs help is good enough for Alty?
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
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Harold even if the case we'll miss staying up by at least 15 points. I understand your loyalty and your optimism but sad as it is there are big changes needed to stop the rot. Even ham and picle in droves can't rescue this mate.
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
Hi H..
I haven't been to Alty this year due to Jill being ill. however,,, I read the walkout being aimed at the Chairman. The loyal fans of the club being totally and utterly pissed off about the demise of the team on the pitch which is down to poor appointments at board level.
The fact that we may lose to Stalybridge is irrelevant. We are fkn doomed to relegation however you read it. We can't keep on like this or we will end up watching them play in Stamford Park . I sadly can't be there for the game but if I could I would drive from Shrewsbury pay my entrance fee and would walk out when the others do..
Enough is enough
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
The players, management and most of all the board for allowing us to be in this position.
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
The players have been confused all season I wouldn't worry too much
And it won't come down to 3 points either
And even if it did we would need about 5 goals a game and clean sheets not to need another point
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We have 10 games left. If we were to somehow win all of them we'd probably still go down. I'd love to wake up and smell coffee instead of dogsh*t.
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
First of all I know where you are coming from..............but if we are two up and people walk out, why would this impact on the players. The new players have not heard a song all season in any case because performances have been so poor that many of the supporters who have provided encouragement in the past are either no longer present at games or at at games and remain silent. I would sincerely hope that nobody on the playing surface gets confused and we concede 3 goals as result of such confusion
To suggest that we may get to a position where we are only be relegated by 3 points is pure fantasy.
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1st it was heathcote out,then sinnot out,then it was Tolson out,then Young,then Harvey now its Buzz and his management team and Rowley.I think it needs to stop and people get behind the club.We have not been relegated yet(i know its going to happen sadly)but its time to stand together and build for the future.
Its time for people to get behind the club? In the last 12 months people have been getting behind the club, giving up plenty of hours of their time, travelling countless miles, spending hundreds of pounds if not more.
As a reward they have seen two relegations, a handful of wins, insults in the press and this club reduced to a laughing stock and curiosity piece due to how bad we are. The loyalty of the fans has been extraordinary during this time.
Point the finger at the people running the club.
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1st it was heathcote out,then sinnot out,then it was Tolson out,then Young,then Harvey now its Buzz and his management team and Rowley.I think it needs to stop and people get behind the club.We have not been relegated yet(i know its going to happen sadly)but its time to stand together and build for the future.
Its time for people to get behind the club? In the last 12 months people have been getting behind the club, giving up plenty of hours of their time, travelling countless miles, spending hundreds of pounds if not more.
As a reward they have seen two relegations, a handful of wins, insults in the press and this club reduced to a laughing stock and curiosity piece due to how bad we are. The loyalty of the fans has been extraordinary during this time.
Point the finger at the people running the club.
Absolutely correct. What I objected to was the mushroom treatment (kept in the dark and fed sh*t). Hopefully the changes in the boardroom will put an end to this. I'm not the only one who feels I've been treated like an idiot and seen as a nuisance.
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
Happy clapper
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
what planet do you come from?
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ok we are winning against stalybridge being 2 up when the walkout starts,the players on the pitch wonder whats happening get confused by it all and we lose 3-2. at the end of the season we miss staying up by 3 points,where does the finger point?
At the Chairman.
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how many disgruntled protestors do the organisers of the walk out expect to join in???
There'll only be 600 there Saturday so a couple of hundred would be a third of the crowd.
Has the open letter protest made any ground?.....I reckon this could go on facebook and be signed in the comments?....we could include a photo of our kids on world book day or pics of snow to keep hughsey happy as well....