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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: John Edwards on February 09, 2017, 07:50:02 PM
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A date for presentation of the strategic review to supporters and confirmation of Chris Lynch's signing now on the club website.
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Greatful it's taking place, but 7pm on a Sunday the day after a home game is very poor timing. A cynic would think it was timed to discourage attendance. What about those that don't live near t he ground?
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Exactly, it looks deliberate.
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Farce - Rowley passing the buck again
Why not just publish the report in full and be done with it? What you trying to hide or spin with presentations scheduled when most can't attend?
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No reason why the report cant be published in full aswel
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I would hope the findings of the review are made public with enough time for people to read, inwardly digest and form any questions well in advance of the presentation
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If there was any confidence that this will be well received then it would be presented at lunchtime before a home game.
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I would hope the findings of the review are made public with enough time for people to read, inwardly digest and form any questions well in advance of the presentation
I was assured that this would happen. That the report would be made public a week before to give everyone a chance to take stock, then it will be presented, then board presenting followed by discussions.
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It certainly isn't a time and date that encourages a wealth and breadth of the fan base to attend. Same old faces in the crowd, one would assume.
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Get a grip and make the effort
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Any time can have drawbacks. If it's before a game, the meeting has to end abruptly as people get ready for the game, if it's after a game, people get tired after a long day if the meeting drags on, or if it's a Sunday evening, people, especially those who live some distance away are unwilling to make a special trip, but, at least there are fewer counter attractions.
I agree with Tommy and hope that the findings should be published first, so anybody can make informed comment.
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I agree with Tommy and hope that the findings should be published first, so anybody can make informed comment.
Dream on. And those who know me are perfectly well aware that I would never have expressed that view before last season. After a match is the only proper time for this exercise and the board know that perfectly well. ANOTHER disastrous PR gaffe.
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Any time can have drawbacks. If it's before a game, the meeting has to end abruptly as people get ready for the game, if it's after a game, people get tired after a long day if the meeting drags on, or if it's a Sunday evening, people, especially those who live some distance away are unwilling to make a special trip, but, at least there are fewer counter attractions.
I agree with Tommy and hope that the findings should be published first, so anybody can make informed comment.
Very good post. Agree with all that. I totally agree that the findings should be made public ahead of the meeting.
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Is there no limit to the things that users of this forum can find to whine about?
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They should publish at the latest by today.
That way it would at least give the fans (especially the ones going to Darlo tomorrow) something to read/discuss/wrap their chips in, prior to Sundays official unveiling.
Come on BOD PR isn't that difficult if you think about it !!!
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According to the main site it says they will reveal a five year review.
I hope to hear about objectives and a five year plan for the future. It would be OK to review the plans for the future but announcing a review in its simplest sense implies looking back.
Perhaps its just worded inappropriately.
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Is there no limit to the things that users of this forum can find to whine about?
What bus service that doesn't run on a Sunday do you have to take to get to the stadium?
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Fans have waited 2 months for the findings of this review, how come we are all expected to pitch up on a Sunday night so the conclusion can be seen by a handful of folks.....
Why not publish it now then wait until the Harrogate fixture next Saturday when people are at the ground anyway. We've waited 8 weeks ffs another 7 days wont harm.
FAO Hale Alty.
Its not moaning, they are all valid reasons re transport etc that really does make a Sunday night unsuitable.
You may as well make it a Tues morning when everyone is at work.
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I fear that the review will be looked at as a way to keep the current board and management personnel of the club in charge. It shouldn't be about that, and conversely nor should it necessarily be about getting rid of people. It should be warts and all and anyone with the club at heart should be able to put them ahead of themselves and their friends/family.
If you have to go, you go. You don't say but doing x will mean that y can't do what he does etc. Some may have to move, some may have to go, some may have to stay and prioritise other aspects.
Alas, I expect it'll be a self preservation society job.
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I fear that the review will be looked at as a way to keep the current board and management personnel of the club in charge. It shouldn't be about that, and conversely nor should it necessarily be about getting rid of people. It should be warts and all and anyone with the club at heart should be able to put them ahead of themselves and their friends/family.
If you have to go, you go. You don't say but doing x will mean that y can't do what he does etc. Some may have to move, some may have to go, some may have to stay and prioritise other aspects.
Alas, I expect it'll be a self preservation society job.
Thank goodness I'm not the only cynic/realist on here.
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I won't be crying before I'm hurt.
It should be published before the meeting.
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Having been a professional management consultant for over 20 years during my career with KPMG, PW and EY and having carried out many strategy studies my view is that the participants in the review should all receive a copy of he review as soon as possible. I never had a client who was happy for me to stand up and simply do a presentation, circulation of reports was always required to those deemed as Stakeholder in the strategic process.
There has been plenty of time to organise this and my reasoning is it recognises the supporters who contributed as key stakeholders in the strategic roll out.
In addition it would also mean supporters who did contribute are recognised for their contribution by the board (something that would be welcomed by many during these difficult times).
Probably Sunday night is not the best time for this and once again this could have been discussed on this forum to try and get consensus from everyone interested in this key milestone in the club's future.
Hopefully the board will read the forum posts and change their decisions appropriately - even if this means delaying the presentation (it has already been too long to wait already for an "urgent " process).
Should be an interesting meeting!
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I'm fine with Sunday evening - it seems as good a time as any for it - in my opinion better than just after a match when tensions are usually high after a loss and not forgetting all those involved with the match are still occupied with relevant jobs.
I view this a bit like an "employee presentation/briefing" that you'd get at work - you dont normally circulate the presentation pack beforehand - you present on the day and explain points - with a Q&A at the end - fairly similar to what looks to be happening to me.
Clearly this process took time, but then the board members who commissioned it have day jobs to attend to and likely needed time to meet and absorb its content and then I assume formulate a plan of action.
With the exception of Bill currently - I wouldnt think many of the board read the forum any more, similar to a lot of fans, who all seem to have tired of some of the talk on here over recent months.
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What beaker141 said
Depending on what the report says the board are to some extent between a rock and a hard place.
If it is published in advance it will get kicked around on here and we have the opportunity to pick fault with it.
If they don't publish they're going to be seen as ignoring the wishes of the biggest group of stakeholders.
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I view this a bit like an "employee presentation/briefing" that you'd get at work - you dont normally circulate the presentation pack beforehand - you present on the day and explain points - with a Q&A at the end - fairly similar to what looks to be happening to me.
Clearly this process took time, but then the board members who commissioned it have day jobs to attend to and likely needed time to meet and absorb its content and then I assume formulate a plan of action.
Hang on we're supporters not employees! This is exactly the your not worthy mindset the board have
Can you not see the whole thing is a white wash? Review was conducted by a Rowley family friend so do you expect any outcome to be negative to the current board? Why hasn't the report been circulated warts and all, whats Rowley trying to cover up?
We don't need any presentations all we need is the report which was completed weeks ago - yet again no transparency or accountability - just a white wash by the board, disgraceful
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Nice to see such open minds on here! You've not even heard what they have to say yet - imagine the outrage if they pre-judged fans behaviour in the same way people are doing theirs!
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Nice to see such open minds on here! You've not even heard what they have to say yet - imagine the outrage if they pre-judged fans behaviour in the same way people are doing theirs!
They do.
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Nice to see such open minds on here! You've not even heard what they have to say yet - imagine the outrage if they pre-judged fans behaviour in the same way people are doing theirs!
They do.
Seconded GHM
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Nice to see such open minds on here! You've not even heard what they have to say yet - imagine the outrage if they pre-judged fans behaviour in the same way people are doing theirs!
They do.
Seconded GHM
still waiting for the neil young debacle to be closed of which "fans" abused him ...
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Nice to see such open minds on here! You've not even heard what they have to say yet - imagine the outrage if they pre-judged fans behaviour in the same way people are doing theirs!
I have an open mind.....up to a point. But over the last two seasons I have learned to treat anything the board says or does with suspicion. I've honestly tried to be positive about them (many of my posts on here until quite recently demonstrate that) but it just gets harder and harder.
I'm sure that what emerges on Sunday will be beautifully presented, and will sound positive. I'm not remotely sure that within 12 months it won't all be seen as mere window dressing.
Just like politics really....too many empty promises. Everything these days feels like rearranging the deckchairs on the Titanic.
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Just as a point of information - the website says the meeting is Sunday 26th, so anybody expecting a meeting this weekend will be disappointed.
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Just as a point of information - the website says the meeting is Sunday 26th, so anybody expecting a meeting this weekend will be disappointed.
Thanks Mike....my post should have carried a date !
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On the date it would have been a good idea to post a poll on here with suggestions of times then pick the best fit one
You would think a match day would he best either before or after as most fans are there already
In terms of the review I do hope it's published in full to read as well and I hope it lays out our short medium and long term ambitions and how we intend to get there
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After last night result, This review now needs releasing asap and let the fans read it .
All this pissing about waiting is ridiculous
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I know a few fans who didn't even know about as don't do internet or social media
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I know a few fans who didn't even know about as don't do internet or social media
I hope that one of the main aims of the review is to improve the PR of the club
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This review is a complete waste of time......
It should be blindingly obvious what the strategy of a football club board should be........investment and recruitment.
A manager is needed who knows how to bring the right players in and motivate and mould them into a winning side.....either by full time league drop out youngsters or a mix of the best part timers we can afford.
Our shareholding needs addressing......use the assets and history and sell the benefits to the wealthy community.....come up with a sales plan for that and talk to the current shareholders and tell them they need to put up or ship out.
Amazing how the community hall can promote itself professionally and invest in recruitment and pay people salaries to run the thing properly....they are planning for xmas in the csh........what is being planned on the football side?????
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This review is a complete waste of time......
It should be blindingly obvious what the strategy of a football club board should be........investment and recruitment.
A manager is needed who knows how to bring the right players in and motivate and mould them into a winning side.....either by full time league drop out youngsters or a mix of the best part timers we can afford.
Our shareholding needs addressing......use the assets and history and sell the benefits to the wealthy community.....come up with a sales plan for that and talk to the current shareholders and tell them they need to put up or ship out.
Amazing how the community hall can promote itself professionally and invest in recruitment and pay people salaries to run the thing properly....they are planning for xmas in the csh........what is being planned on the football side?????
Good post Jezza. Our football plans for next Xmas probably consists of whose working the bar for the 6 pointer home fixture against Warrington. :o
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6 pointer Ray ? So you think Warrington will struggle too ?
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6 pointer Ray ? So you think Warrington will struggle too ?
Noooooo it will be to see who goes top ::) You and your negative waves. Moriarty ;)
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Looks like the first public airing will be at next Sundays meeting.
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Be there or be square......
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Why wont they publish it prior to Sunday so that people who cannot make it (ie exiles) can read it then maybe email a question/comment to be read out at the meeting.
This whole thing smacks of papering over rather large cracks... I sincerely hope I am proved wrong...
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No Rowley column in the programme and, as far as I could see, no mention of the review? Utterly bizarre. This club's gone to the dogs.
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The major thrust of any questioning has to be next season's budget. If we don't escape the glue league at the first attempt (stop laughing at the back !) the other four years of the plan could well be a write off.
We simply have to throw every available penny at promotion.....but I don't for one second expect that any figures will be fed to us mushrooms.
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Any strategy worth the paper it was written on would have a contingency plan in case Plan A started to unravel.
I wonder how diverse the responses to provide input were and indeed how many there were. I'd be surprised if there were that many. At the end of the day I think it will come down to what the board feel they can afford to do.
I just hope they have noticed how empty the ground has become.