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Title: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Brian Flynn on February 01, 2017, 06:40:35 PM
From the Club Website:-


"Altrincham Vice Chairman, Andrew Shaw, has resigned his position on the board stating 'I have enjoyed my time at Altrincham and hope that I have brought some value during my fifteen years at the club. I wish the club well for the future and, whilst I am resigning with immediate effect, I will honour my remaining match-day commitments in the short term and will be attending Saturday's game at home to FC Halifax Town'.

Chairman, Grahame Rowley, speaking on behalf of the board, thanked Andrew for his service as Vice-Chairman at Altrincham, stating 'Following the resignation of the previous board in 2002, Andrew, along with Geoff Goodwin and myself, formed a new board and my current fellow directors and I would like to thank him for his positive contribution over a significant period of time. The Board respects Andrew's decision and wishes him well in his continuing role as a Divisional Representative with the Football Association, with Altrincham remaining his home club amongst the fifteen North West clubs that Andrew represents. We are in the process of trying to strengthen at Board level and hope to be able to announce a new board member within the next few days."
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 01, 2017, 06:43:58 PM
The statement reads like there are only three board members. Is that the case?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: distancetraveller on February 01, 2017, 06:46:54 PM
Not my favourite person.... Not sorry to see "Patronising" Andrew depart.

Onwards and upwards
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bumble on February 01, 2017, 06:52:08 PM
Itll be interesting who our newest board member will be.

I wonder if others will also leave?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: roytonmike on February 01, 2017, 06:58:39 PM
The statement reads like there are only three board members. Is that the case?
Chairman - G Rowley
Directors - D Wilshaw, P Daine, N Faulkner
(info extracted from club programme & notice of last AGM).
I regret to say that I wouldn't know two of the three directors named if I fell over them in the street ...
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Graham Bennetts Perm on February 01, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
Welcome to the new series of  "sharewatch", in which the timeless process of "Board strengthening" continues to be a wondrous evolutionary mystery.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bumble on February 01, 2017, 07:09:55 PM
The statement reads like there are only three board members. Is that the case?
Chairman - G Rowley
Directors - D Wilshaw, P Daine, N Faulkner
(info extracted from club programme & notice of last AGM).
I regret to say that I wouldn't know two of the three directors named if I fell over them in the street ...

You've missed 1. Mr Derek Wilshsaw.

Chairman - Grahame Rowley.
Former Vice-Chairman - Andrew Shaw.
Directors - Derek Wilshaw, Paul Daine, Neil Faulkner.

Associate Directors - Barry Pond, Nigel Collins.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on February 01, 2017, 07:14:43 PM


Is this part of the proposed five-year plan...?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Beez on February 01, 2017, 07:20:35 PM
Good.

More to follow hopefully.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: roytonmike on February 01, 2017, 07:23:59 PM
The statement reads like there are only three board members. Is that the case?
Chairman - G Rowley
Directors - D Wilshaw, P Daine, N Faulkner
(info extracted from club programme & notice of last AGM).
I regret to say that I wouldn't know two of the three directors named if I fell over them in the street ...
You've missed 1. Mr Derek Wilshaw.

Chairman - Grahame Rowley.
Former Vice-Chairman - Andrew Shaw.
Directors - Derek Wilshaw, Paul Daine, Neil Faulkner.

Associate Directors - Barry Pond, Nigel Collins.
Actually I haven't - Derek is the one of the three directors I would know & recognise!
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Sarf London Alty on February 01, 2017, 07:25:07 PM
Well it's a start but more changes needed at board level if we are to re-establish ourselves.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on February 01, 2017, 07:34:53 PM
Good.

More to follow hopefully.

Agreed. Lets hope the new board member will come in as chairman and Mr Rowley will follow the very patronising Mr Shaw out of the door.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on February 01, 2017, 07:39:57 PM
Welcome to the new series of  "sharewatch", in which the timeless process of "Board strengthening" continues to be a wondrous evolutionary mystery.

A rolled up trouser leg? A bedroom slipper? A careless whisper and a safety (questionable) security box?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Macsporran on February 01, 2017, 08:39:39 PM
Good news, no-one will miss him.

Whole board needs a shake up, hopefully this is the start
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Darren on February 01, 2017, 08:52:08 PM
Paul Daine owner of Premium solutions, Neil Faulkner owner Robinson presarvations  both major sponsors as well as Directors.
I have known Paul for a while and he's very approachable i was having a good chat with him last night.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: York Alty is back on February 01, 2017, 09:10:49 PM
A bloke gives his time to the club over some years and gets grief?

Thanks for your efforts, shame it ended amidst a shambolc collapse.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: robininstockport on February 01, 2017, 09:11:52 PM
So has he  sold/is selling his shares?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bighairedmike on February 01, 2017, 09:17:38 PM
A bloke gives his time to the club over some years and gets grief?

Thanks for your efforts, shame it ended amidst a shambolc collapse.

Was he an asset to the club? Undoubtedly.

Was he also the most patronising, abrupt, arrogant and downright rude individual I have ever met? Absolutely.

Thanks, but I won't be spilling any tears. At least this may make the board more approachable.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: im not really here on February 01, 2017, 09:27:53 PM
A bloke gives his time to the club over some years and gets grief?

Thanks for your efforts, shame it ended amidst a shambolc collapse.

Was he an asset to the club? Undoubtedly.

Was he also the most patronising, abrupt, arrogant and downright rude individual I have ever met? Absolutely.

Thanks, but I won't be spilling any tears. At least this may make the board more approachable.
Are you describing the Chairman or Vice Chairman there?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Ballers on February 01, 2017, 09:49:05 PM
. To give Andrew his due,his expertise has been useful. Snake charmed Berman into (kind of) writing off his debt and quite clearly his influence behind the scenes at the conference swayed a change of viewpoint that contrributed to Halifax and Boston being relegated  at the AGM to keep us up and in return got the reward he wanted of climbing up the FA ladder.

 However, He could reflect where the board seem to have gone stale or off the boil in recent times. To the untrained eye for three years or so he made sure people wear ties in the boardroom (how much critical thought and input would he have put into Tolsons appointment?) so you get left with a him being pissed off and upset at criticism of GR and coming across as some people have said.

None of this should be personal and as long as the current farce doesn't continue people should be thanked for what they've done and leave with best wishes.

Shelf life and all that.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Leon on February 01, 2017, 10:02:38 PM
There is a distinctly lukewarm tone to AS's resignation message. You don't sense he's exactly heartbroken... He's never been an Alty man at heart - and never pretended to be - so it makes sense that he steps down for all parties.

Further changes now needed.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Teasierbeaver on February 01, 2017, 10:06:16 PM
Let's move on now. I want to know who replaces him. No offence to any current board members but they no little more than I do about football and that isn't good enough.

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.

Thanks for your efforts.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Cheadle Hulme Alty on February 01, 2017, 10:14:23 PM
Does it mean that the Board just consists of Rowley lap-dogs now?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: nimeta on February 01, 2017, 10:37:44 PM
I want to know who replaces him. ...

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.


Not sure as to the answer of some of your questions, but resigning from the board normally does not trigger a requirement to sell shares (not even sure if he held any shares anyway)

However, who would want to replace him?? Alty FC is on the way down..these things tend to be cyclical in life, but anybody smart in business knows that a down cycle can easily lead to insolvency. So who wants to risk being a director of a fairly high profile entity that goes bankrupt. I am not saying Alty will go bankrupt...its just a logical consequence of any business that is failing for whatever reason. Some survive, others don't. I think we will survive, even after relegation this season, but honestly I cannot be sure.

So then there are a few types of people who would volunteer for director. Maybe a representative of a major sponsor, who is fairly secure in their own career and don't care about the risk of a bankruptcy on their CV. Or a fan representative (can't see this happening, but who knows). Anybody with money to invest almost certainly won't do it unless they gain control. Or an idiot who does not understand risk. Or nobody at all.

Did I miss any options???
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bumble on February 01, 2017, 10:51:06 PM
I want to know who replaces him. ...

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.


Not sure as to the answer of some of your questions, but resigning from the board normally does not trigger a requirement to sell shares (not even sure if he held any shares anyway)

However, who would want to replace him?? Alty FC is on the way down..these things tend to be cyclical in life, but anybody smart in business knows that a down cycle can easily lead to insolvency. So who wants to risk being a director of a fairly high profile entity that goes bankrupt. I am not saying Alty will go bankrupt...its just a logical consequence of any business that is failing for whatever reason. Some survive, others don't. I think we will survive, even after relegation this season, but honestly I cannot be sure.

So then there are a few types of people who would volunteer for director. Maybe a representative of a major sponsor, who is fairly secure in their own career and don't care about the risk of a bankruptcy on their CV. Or a fan representative (can't see this happening, but who knows). Anybody with money to invest almost certainly won't do it unless they gain control. Or an idiot who does not understand risk. Or nobody at all.

Did I miss any options???

We aren't actually failing as a business. We might be as a first team. However I'm told beyond that finances are good.

I'd say with a decent PR and marketing spin we make for a good investment as far as football clubs go.

We've no debt, we've a loyal fan base as shown by crowds and good infrastructures. Local businesses don't hate us. The football community don't hate us.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: im not really here on February 01, 2017, 10:55:22 PM
I want to know who replaces him. ...

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.


Not sure as to the answer of some of your questions, but resigning from the board normally does not trigger a requirement to sell shares (not even sure if he held any shares anyway)

However, who would want to replace him?? Alty FC is on the way down..these things tend to be cyclical in life, but anybody smart in business knows that a down cycle can easily lead to insolvency. So who wants to risk being a director of a fairly high profile entity that goes bankrupt. I am not saying Alty will go bankrupt...its just a logical consequence of any business that is failing for whatever reason. Some survive, others don't. I think we will survive, even after relegation this season, but honestly I cannot be sure.

So then there are a few types of people who would volunteer for director. Maybe a representative of a major sponsor, who is fairly secure in their own career and don't care about the risk of a bankruptcy on their CV. Or a fan representative (can't see this happening, but who knows). Anybody with money to invest almost certainly won't do it unless they gain control. Or an idiot who does not understand risk. Or nobody at all.

Did I miss any options???

What you have failed to grasp, is that the Club is a long way from bankruptcy and is in good financial health. That is part of the frustration most people have with the Board, we run a good business but the footballing side has failed dismally. We could do with more cash but then most clubs do. We cut our cloth accordingly and this will be no different next season in the Evostick. The Board deserve praise for the work they have done in eradicating the debt and creating a small profit in recent years and as a shareholder I see the financial statements, but they have grown stale, made some terrible decisions recently and need a new Chairman at the helm to provide fresh impetus into the Club.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Sale Holmfield on February 01, 2017, 11:47:40 PM
I want to know who replaces him. ...

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.


Not sure as to the answer of some of your questions, but resigning from the board normally does not trigger a requirement to sell shares (not even sure if he held any shares anyway)

However, who would want to replace him?? Alty FC is on the way down..these things tend to be cyclical in life, but anybody smart in business knows that a down cycle can easily lead to insolvency. So who wants to risk being a director of a fairly high profile entity that goes bankrupt. I am not saying Alty will go bankrupt...its just a logical consequence of any business that is failing for whatever reason. Some survive, others don't. I think we will survive, even after relegation this season, but honestly I cannot be sure.

So then there are a few types of people who would volunteer for director. Maybe a representative of a major sponsor, who is fairly secure in their own career and don't care about the risk of a bankruptcy on their CV. Or a fan representative (can't see this happening, but who knows). Anybody with money to invest almost certainly won't do it unless they gain control. Or an idiot who does not understand risk. Or nobody at all.

Did I miss any options???

What you have failed to grasp, is that the Club is a long way from bankruptcy and is in good financial health. That is part of the frustration most people have with the Board, we run a good business but the footballing side has failed dismally. We could do with more cash but then most clubs do. We cut our cloth accordingly and this will be no different next season in the Evostick. The Board deserve praise for the work they have done in eradicating the debt and creating a small profit in recent years and as a shareholder I see the financial statements, but they have grown stale, made some terrible decisions recently and need a new Chairman at the helm to provide fresh impetus into the Club.

Exactly. An excellent post.
The board are not evil or incompetent - far from it - but have prioritised the non-footballing side with the consequences we have seen, despite successes off the field of play.
As the core of this club,this "business",  is its first team, then, yes, we do need a change to concentrate our attention on this.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Teasierbeaver on February 02, 2017, 06:35:18 AM
I want to know who replaces him. ...

I also want to know what happens to the share holding he had? Does he have to forfeit some of these shares or forced to sell them? I would imagine they need to be available to a new board member.


Not sure as to the answer of some of your questions, but resigning from the board normally does not trigger a requirement to sell shares (not even sure if he held any shares anyway)

However, who would want to replace him?? Alty FC is on the way down..these things tend to be cyclical in life, but anybody smart in business knows that a down cycle can easily lead to insolvency. So who wants to risk being a director of a fairly high profile entity that goes bankrupt. I am not saying Alty will go bankrupt...its just a logical consequence of any business that is failing for whatever reason. Some survive, others don't. I think we will survive, even after relegation this season, but honestly I cannot be sure.

So then there are a few types of people who would volunteer for director. Maybe a representative of a major sponsor, who is fairly secure in their own career and don't care about the risk of a bankruptcy on their CV. Or a fan representative (can't see this happening, but who knows). Anybody with money to invest almost certainly won't do it unless they gain control. Or an idiot who does not understand risk. Or nobody at all.

Did I miss any options???

What you have failed to grasp, is that the Club is a long way from bankruptcy and is in good financial health. That is part of the frustration most people have with the Board, we run a good business but the footballing side has failed dismally. We could do with more cash but then most clubs do. We cut our cloth accordingly and this will be no different next season in the Evostick. The Board deserve praise for the work they have done in eradicating the debt and creating a small profit in recent years and as a shareholder I see the financial statements, but they have grown stale, made some terrible decisions recently and need a new Chairman at the helm to provide fresh impetus into the Club.

Exactly. An excellent post.
The board are not evil or incompetent - far from it - but have prioritised the non-footballing side with the consequences we have seen, despite successes off the field of play.
As the core of this club,this "business",  is its first team, then, yes, we do need a change to concentrate our attention on this.

Define incompetent? We're a football club that has had two successive relegations and the second one has been far worse than the first which given the fact we are financially more competitive than last season in the league we are in is simply mind boggling. There are several very obvious failings which are wholly down to the board.

To me that is completely incompetent. We need football people to make this a football club again because the board are steering us away from football and into some sort of community social support group and whilst the books might be balanced now they wont be looking so healthy in 2 years time when we are still in the northern premier league playing in front of 700 every other week.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Jezza on February 02, 2017, 08:01:39 AM
Paul daine and neil faulkener are both long standing fans and supporters in financial terms of the club...both very approachable...paul was active with star and neil was always an active supporter of any supporters club / trust activities.

Andrew was very much in the geoff goodwin mould in that he freely admitted his first love was city....he came in to do a job and that job was completed about 3 years ago....by accounts i heard at the time he played an absolute blinder in negotiating a payment plan with hmrc at a time when hmrc would have been more inclined to just wind us up....for this act alone we owe him a lot...

Yes he is posh and comes across as rude but one to one quite a decent bloke to talk to.

Would have been quite a good bloke to negotiate with shareholders to bring in a different hierachy above the board and had we been man city he probably would have been first on the soap box...

He did what he said he would do but i think became a bit redundant once were out of financial crisis....all the best andrew...
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on February 02, 2017, 08:59:30 AM

Define incompetent? We're a football club that has had two successive relegations and the second one has been far worse than the first which given the fact we are financially more competitive than last season in the league we are in is simply mind boggling. There are several very obvious failings which are wholly down to the board.

To me that is completely incompetent. We need football people to make this a football club again because the board are steering us away from football and into some sort of community social support group and whilst the books might be balanced now they wont be looking so healthy in 2 years time when we are still in the northern premier league playing in front of 700 every other week.

Really? I'll be absolutely gobsmacked if we are getting those figures if we fail to come straight back up.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: alty.fc on February 02, 2017, 09:22:14 AM

Define incompetent? We're a football club that has had two successive relegations and the second one has been far worse than the first which given the fact we are financially more competitive than last season in the league we are in is simply mind boggling. There are several very obvious failings which are wholly down to the board.

To me that is completely incompetent. We need football people to make this a football club again because the board are steering us away from football and into some sort of community social support group and whilst the books might be balanced now they wont be looking so healthy in 2 years time when we are still in the northern premier league playing in front of 700 every other week.

Really? I'll be absolutely gobsmacked if we are getting those figures if we fail to come straight back up.
it's crazy but I agree we will maintain 700 for most games midweek will suffer heavily though

That is still a potential 30% reduction which is frightening
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 02, 2017, 09:29:14 AM
It's worse than that because some on here are expecting a 30% reduction in entry fee as well.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on February 02, 2017, 09:50:39 AM

Define incompetent? We're a football club that has had two successive relegations and the second one has been far worse than the first which given the fact we are financially more competitive ]it's crazy but I agree we will maintain 700 for most games midweek will suffer heavily though

That is still a potential 30% reduction which is frightening

In our last stint in the unibond (another sticky situation) we were averaging in the high 500's to low 600's and I certainly can't see us doing any better than that when we are playing one man and his dog FC (if we fail in our 1st season). I know the crowds have miraculously held up this season, but I can't see that continuing indefinitely. We shall see, but hopefully we won't be down there for more than one season (jaysus, I could weep at the prospect).
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 02, 2017, 10:55:45 AM
Andrew Shaw did a lot of good work over the years for altrincham football club. Being on the top table at a Football club is a thankless task as seen by some of the comments on here. From the negotiations regarding the sale of the car park to various other business decisions that have been to the benefit of the football over the last 15 years Mr shaws imput was invaluable. Time moves on and things evolve but Andrew should be credited with helping steer the club through the rocks when things were in a really bad way. And I'll place on record my thanks for his 15 years of involvement in what others have said, isn't his first love football wise.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on February 02, 2017, 10:59:00 AM
It's worse than that because some on here are expecting a 30% reduction in entry fee as well.

A 28.5% reduction would make it £10 in to stand up. Any more would be too much,simple.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 02, 2017, 11:30:08 AM
So if we've currently got 1000 fans paying an average of £10 each = £10000 a game through the turnstile. (No idea whether that is realistic or not)
Next season 650 fans paying average of £8 each = £5,200

Then you've got to look at how much less business the CSH will do and the guys in the food cabins.
It's going to be a serious drop in income.

The only thing potentially still bringing in the same level of income will be the extra curricular stuff in the CSH.

Sobering times
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: robininstockport on February 02, 2017, 12:20:22 PM
Whatever  people think of the CSH  and what part it's played in our downfall, one thing for certain is the fact its income is going to make up a vast amount of immediate future income
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: View from the middle on February 02, 2017, 07:11:47 PM
So if we've currently got 1000 fans paying an average of £10 each = £10000 a game through the turnstile. (No idea whether that is realistic or not)
Next season 650 fans paying average of £8 each = £5,200

Then you've got to look at how much less business the CSH will do and the guys in the food cabins.
It's going to be a serious drop in income.

The only thing potentially still bringing in the same level of income will be the extra curricular stuff in the CSH.

Sobering times


I think that is what Emporer Rowley wants so he can turn round and say 'I told you so'

Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 02, 2017, 07:22:21 PM
So if we've currently got 1000 fans paying an average of £10 each = £10000 a game through the turnstile. (No idea whether that is realistic or not)
Next season 650 fans paying average of £8 each = £5,200

Then you've got to look at how much less business the CSH will do and the guys in the food cabins.
It's going to be a serious drop in income.

The only thing potentially still bringing in the same level of income will be the extra curricular stuff in the CSH.

Sobering times


I think that is what Emporer Rowley wants so he can turn round and say 'I told you so'



I know what you mean and I really wish that he could say that because it was acting as a spring board rather than a safety net.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: roytonmike on February 02, 2017, 07:43:39 PM
So if we've currently got 1000 fans paying an average of £10 each = £10000 a game through the turnstile. (No idea whether that is realistic or not)
Next season 650 fans paying average of £8 each = £5,200
Then you've got to look at how much less business the CSH will do and the guys in the food cabins.
It's going to be a serious drop in income.
The only thing potentially still bringing in the same level of income will be the extra curricular stuff in the CSH.
Sobering times
There are about 300 season ticket holders, so as of now the average figure of 1000 paying on the day is about right (our average home League attendance is currently 1305). Whether £10 per person is a realistic figure I don't know - I suspect it may be a bit on the high side.
If the powers that be want to see anything like 700 fans in total (i.e. including season ticket holders) per home game they are going to have to price 'competitively' to say the least. This year's gate figures are inflated in particular by the 2000+ gates v Stockport, Salford & FCUM, which won't happen again in a hurry. People won't pay over the odds, as they have done this season,  to watch dross any more - the going rate 'on the day' in the EvoStik is £10 (adult) & that's where Alty need to pitch it next season.
Incidentally, season ticket holders actually pay more per game this season than last - prices didn't change but the number of home games went down by two; something else that should be remedied by some sort of compensatory pricing next season.
It is indeed going to create a very serious gap in income & needs to be borne in mind when expectation levels for 2017-18 are considered, although gates of 700 would still be way ahead of most if not all of the rest of the division.
As to the departing Vice-Chairman - I didn't know the gentleman personally but he did seem to cut at best a distant figure. I don't doubt that he did useful work for the Club but he didn't appear to mix with the supporters at all.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: taxi Phil on February 02, 2017, 09:36:34 PM
I think it can be assumed that season ticket revenue will diminish next season. I can't be the only one who'll  want to "suck it and see".
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: alty.fc on February 02, 2017, 09:54:32 PM

Define incompetent? We're a football club that has had two successive relegations and the second one has been far worse than the first which given the fact we are financially more competitive ]it's crazy but I agree we will maintain 700 for most games midweek will suffer heavily though

That is still a potential 30% reduction which is frightening

In our last stint in the unibond (another sticky situation) we were averaging in the high 500's to low 600's and I certainly can't see us doing any better than that when we are playing one man and his dog FC (if we fail in our 1st season). I know the crowds have miraculously held up this season, but I can't see that continuing indefinitely. We shall see, but hopefully we won't be down there for more than one season (jaysus, I could weep at the prospect).

I just hope and pray we have hit rock bottom . We have no right to survive thier either . Look at this season . Very sad times

I still think that the CSH will keep us at 700 as people find it good to use on match day . Also the local population has grown alongside the community links
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: im not really here on February 02, 2017, 11:20:15 PM
If we want to come straight back up then we should keep the prices the same or make a small reduction whilst continuing with incentives for kids etc. Anyone that thinks we're just going to magic money from somewhere is deluded.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on February 03, 2017, 06:32:30 AM
If we want to come straight back up then we should keep the prices the same or make a small reduction whilst continuing with incentives for kids etc. Anyone that thinks we're just going to magic money from somewhere is deluded.

If we keep the prices the same we'll  get crowds of 300.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: distancetraveller on February 03, 2017, 09:26:14 AM
If we want to come straight back up then we should keep the prices the same or make a small reduction whilst continuing with incentives for kids etc. Anyone that thinks we're just going to magic money from somewhere is deluded.

If we keep the prices the same we'll  get crowds of 300.


I would say 300 is optimistic
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: taxi Phil on February 03, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
If we want to come straight back up then we should keep the prices the same or make a small reduction whilst continuing with incentives for kids etc. Anyone that thinks we're just going to magic money from somewhere is deluded.

If we keep the prices the same we'll  get crowds of 300.


I would say 300 is optimistic

I reckon we can expect 500 to start with - a combination of optimism, habit, and morbid curiosity. But if we're not in the promotion mix we'll be down to 350 by Xmas.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Timperley The Best on February 03, 2017, 09:52:11 AM
If there are reasons for pre season optimism and low prices it  is old expect 600 maybe 700 alot depends on who we sign .pre season etc, we need to sign players who would get in to top six national league north sides
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Alty Bri on February 03, 2017, 11:07:42 AM
We're getting nearly a thousand home fans every week and we're getting drubbed. That bides well for attendances next season, though as others have said, much will depend on how we are playing. Obviously there should be a reduction in admission prices to at least £12 given the level of football we'll be watching.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Bob on February 03, 2017, 12:12:11 PM
I reckon who our chairman and manager will be in August could have as much of an impact on crowds as the admission price
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 03, 2017, 12:50:42 PM
You're right. I'm only coming down if it is still Graham and Matt next August.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bighairedmike on February 03, 2017, 01:32:52 PM
We are the joint most expensive team to watch in this league, and being relegated the teams below will expect us to be as well. The highest price for an adult ticket in the league below is £10, ergo we should match that. If we charge more than £10 per game at home I will very rarely attend home games and spend my hard earned money going to away games only.

One of my friends sits in the main stand, is a well known supporter to the club, and he has already informed me he will not be renewing next year unless there are changes at the top and a significant reduction in the pricing structure.

This is only one example of many who follow the club home and away that will end up being forced out of the door if we overprice (which we do already for or level) next year.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: roytonmike on February 03, 2017, 02:17:02 PM
A minor point - Corby and Hednesford do actually charge more than £10 according to their websites.
It grieves me to say this, but I shall be keeping a careful eye on the prices charged at Ashton United next season - pretty nailed on to remain in EvoStik Premier, a bus ride & manageable walk away from me, & in my experience a friendly club. If our prices are markedly higher than those at Hurst Cross in 2017-18 I might very easily consider spending Saturday afternoons with a different set of Robins, while making sure I visit those grounds in the division I've yet to set foot on, preferably when Alty play there. It's a combination of economics & common sense, frankly; if Alty want customers the club will have to take heed of what the punter is prepared to pay.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 03, 2017, 05:39:07 PM
I understand everyone's point but it's not really economics if you have to spend at least a tenner on fuel to get to the away games. Fair enough if there's a ground down the road.

Hopefully, prices will be set  at a realistic level but we can't have everything. Asking for top six national league north players and glue league entry prices is going to be a challenge.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: im not really here on February 03, 2017, 08:04:50 PM
You're right. I'm only coming down if it is still Graham and Matt next August.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mausoleum Alty on February 03, 2017, 08:13:33 PM
You're right. I'm only coming down if it is still Graham and Matt next August.

Are you serious?

Surely being ironic? Either that or totally demented!!
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Ballers on February 03, 2017, 09:21:58 PM

Hopefully, prices will be set  at a realistic level but we can't have everything. Asking for top six national league north players and glue league entry prices is going to be a challenge.

Or we could actually show some bollocks for once...
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on February 03, 2017, 09:33:06 PM
If I even hear a whisper of a rumour of a "we can't compete with"' (add whichever ale house outfit with 200 spectators you wish) I'll be off as well.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: Man of Moss on February 03, 2017, 10:35:59 PM
I ain't renewing my season ticket next year, why would I having been subjected to this sh*t all year, GR you need to go man, this is getting embarrassing!
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: im not really here on February 03, 2017, 10:49:28 PM
I reckon who our chairman and manager will be in August could have as much of an impact on crowds as the admission price
Indeed, if Rowley and Doughty (Heathcote) are still in charge then i wont be attending next season regardless of price, which after 25 years is a shame. However with a new Chairman and manager and some ambition for promotion, I'd happily pay £14 per game. In order to be ultra competitive though we will need to charge higher than other clubs, unless we have someone to make up the shortfall.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: cheshire cat on February 03, 2017, 11:06:50 PM
You're right. I'm only coming down if it is still Graham and Matt next August.

Are you serious?

No. It was an attempt at levity. I will turn up to the first five games regardless and then make a decision. Blyth are going to be champions so I expect great things of us next season.
Title: Re: Vice Chairman Resigns
Post by: bighairedmike on February 04, 2017, 01:25:49 AM
I reckon who our chairman and manager will be in August could have as much of an impact on crowds as the admission price
Indeed, if Rowley and Doughty (Heathcote) are still in charge then i wont be attending next season regardless of price, which after 25 years is a shame. However with a new Chairman and manager and some ambition for promotion, I'd happily pay £14 per game. In order to be ultra competitive though we will need to charge higher than other clubs, unless we have someone to make up the shortfall.

We have a sports hall, no other club has that to make up their shortfall.