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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: View from the middle on January 21, 2017, 11:18:43 PM
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When was the last time you could honestly hand on heart say you were proud to be an Altrincham FC fan?? I certainly wasn't proud today and haven't been for a long while watching the sh*t being served up week after week. And to be lambasted by fellow Altrincham 'fans' today at the game for showing my anger at the situation is out of order.
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I wasn't there today as I can't justify it
I was going next week but I can't stomach it sadly
I salute the fans that keep going to watch us away it's amazing
Fans react in different ways to our situation some get angry , upset some sit on the fence and some don't think there is a problem
I am pretty embarrassed by it all really now
Listening to radio robins today when the 2nd went in they sounded almost happy
But I can't blame them. There dedication in doing that week in week out is amazing and sometimes humour is all that is left
What worries me the most (and I said it last season ) relegation again is disastrous and we have no given right to bounce back
Our name means nothing
We need 11 men giving it all for 90 minutes who want to win and fight for each other
Have we hit rock bottom yet ?
No I don't think we have sadly as I can't see where we will get a win from at present
We need a leader who can attract hungry talent in
We need a budget and vision that supports that ambition (whatever the ambition is)
Then and only then will I start to feel proud again
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We are statistically the worst team in pro/semi pro football and no-one other than loyal supporters seem bothered with results on the pitch. For gods sake alty get some pride in the shirt and put an honest shift in!
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Whilst walking behind the goal on my way out yesterday I saw that there were a few cross words being said between Alty fans. No idea what had gone on but if someone was been lambasted for airing his grievances then that's wrong.
The team is awful, the management is awful and the board is awful so why aren't we allowed to say it out loud at the match?
It seems to be acceptable for key board warriors to have their ten penneth on here but low and behold anyone who vents their anger in person at a match.
Let's realize that the louder we shout the more chance we have of being heard.
We are a very accommodating set of supporters.
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I wasn't there today as I can't justify it
I was going next week but I can't stomach it sadly
I salute the fans that keep going to watch us away it's amazing
Fans react in different ways to our situation some get angry , upset some sit on the fence and some don't think there is a problem
I am pretty embarrassed by it all really now
Listening to radio robins today when the 2nd went in they sounded almost happy
But I can't blame them. There dedication in doing that week in week out is amazing and sometimes humour is all that is left
What worries me the most (and I said it last season ) relegation again is disastrous and we have no given right to bounce back
Our name means nothing
We need 11 men giving it all for 90 minutes who want to win and fight for each other
Have we hit rock bottom yet ?
No I don't think we have sadly as I can't see where we will get a win from at present
We need a leader who can attract hungry talent in
We need a budget and vision that supports that ambition (whatever the ambition is)
Then and only then will I start to feel proud again
Very good post.
As things stand, there is no way that we are going to start winning just because we will be in a lower league. I fear us sticking our noses up at teams that will see us as a big scalp, with the inevitable consequences.
Any notion of Doughty, Lawton and Heathcote being the management team for next season needs to be put to bed right now. The only reason for keeping them is to avoid yet another management change, but that is not reason enough.
We need a streetwise, hard nosed outsider in charge who doesnt give a toss about past reputations and isnt afraid to shake things up and get rid of people. The cobwebs, dead wood and stink of constant failure needs to be totally swept away.
The board itself cannot continue in its current form. The events of the last 12 months have made its position untenable. 3 league wins under under 4 managers since March, with the probability of 2 relegations on the bounce, is appalling.
This club needs re-energising, re-inventing and overhauling. People need their inspiration and enthusiasm back; pussyfooting around, making piecemeal decisions, is not going to do that.
Finally, if what has happened to us had happened at many other clubs there'd be banners out and protests outside the front entrance. I think the fans have been remarkably loyal and supportive throughout all this.
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When was the last time you could honestly hand on heart say you were proud to be an Altrincham FC fan?? I certainly wasn't proud today and haven't been for a long while watching the sh*t being served up week after week. And to be lambasted by fellow Altrincham 'fans' today at the game for showing my anger at the situation is out of order.
I remember when my father was alive,At Alty games if he thought a player was crap he would tell them in no uncertain terms how bad they were and our own fans would shout leave him alone,to which my father would tell them they were next.In those days anything went at a match.Now while that sort of behaviour is not acceptable these days,if someone or in this case nearly the whole team are bad as fans we need to tell them how bad they are,it might wake em up,it certainly will not make them any worse in our case as they cannot get any worse.
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I've had enough of this, how can anyone be expected not to express their anger at this situation. Put this one in the same pile as saying the club is thriving
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Colchester. As disappointed as I was, I was proud that our depleted squad that day had nearly pulled off a great win or at least draw.
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In answer to the fans part of this thread.
An Altrincham fan gave Andy Owens some stick for messing about and simply not just shooting. He should of shot. Then a member of the Ford family lambasted this man. "4 goals. 4 goals in 4 games. And you want him off. In the most hysterical voice I've heard. I told him to call down. I've seen my grandad like that and nearly be ill of the back of getting that irate."
After this incident, another member of the ford clan demanded to know WHO RUNS THE TWITTER? Over and and over again. To which I replied I was doing the updates. Furiously he demanded why James Lawries two pathetic corners (they went straight out before even reaching the first man) had got an update and Nicky Clee's poor corner had not been mentioned. It had, just not attributed to Nicky as it was hard to tell from the slope who had taken it. The gentlemen in question then started a row with other Altrincham fans showing off that he'd watched us 50 years and bragging about how much his does for the club. It became a horse size competition. Apparently I don't do enough for the club. Maybe he should speak to my misses or bosses. A full time 50 hour week, plus jointly running a social media (which some clubs have full time staff doing this) and working on our commercial activity.
Everyone's entitled to an opinion but not when being self richeous or pompous.
Whether you do one hour behind the bar, or put in 50 hours like Karen* (I'm guessing here Karen. Could be more or less). Everyone's time and efforts to watch the club - even the lads who simply go on the train and watch us across land and sea deserve credit as that costs time and money and undoubtably causes friction in other areas of their life deserve some credit - support the club with services, time or money should be seen as equal and Appreciated.
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This situation is Frankly ridiculous, we are at stage and have been for while where supporters are turning on each other. This is a rudderless boat heading towards the waterfall. I walked out after the second goal yesterday, I've no issue watching poor footballers, I've an issue with concededing goal like the second one. I'd suggest this review meeting or whatever is being put together is done sooner rather than later. Let people know what the script is because we are now a laughing stock and we are spiralling and I fear some of this damage could become beyond repair. The away following for a game up the road yesterday was pitiful. People are boycotting and people are walking away. You can quickly get out of the habit and that is what's going to happen if we don't get this sorted, quickly.
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How many went to Chorley ?
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I agree with Tommy D. a club statement regarding next season's plan would be most welcome.
Going back to Altrincham's Social point about giving up free time to help out in whatever capacity, I assume the board have jobs and can only dedicate a certain amount of time to AFC. This is not a dig but a fact.
Didn't go yesterday (not a boycott, just couldn't face it) but it does appear we have 3 in the management team who arn't signing from the same hymn sheet.
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I witnessed this, it was quite apparent that certain players are immune from criticism from sections of our support, what one player is lambasted for, another avoids any criticism and this was happening time and time again in the 2nd half. To those who disagreed with the gentlemans outburst,it was passionate and emotional and if I was on that pitch I would respond to a supporters passion rather than the derogatory comments many thought was more appropriate!!
Regarding the Twitter incident,in my opinion you were stood in a perfect position to see the corners being taken, you were stood in the same place for the mentioned corners but you could only see it was James lawrie who delivered 2 poor corners and not Nicky Clees, maybe move so you have a clear view next time. You also point out you volunteer to provide updates via twitter so thank you for that but please don't allow personal opinions to interfere with reporting the facts.
The teams effort in the 2nd half could not be criticised on a poor pitch against a better team and they kept going till the end regardless of so many insults aimed at them every time they were in earshot
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How many went to Chorley ?
30/40? Should be 200 minimum for a game up the road
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I witnessed this, it was quite apparent that certain players are immune from criticism from sections of our support, what one player is lambasted for, another avoids any criticism and this was happening time and time again in the 2nd half. To those who disagreed with the gentlemans outburst,it was passionate and emotional and if I was on that pitch I would respond to a supporters passion rather than the derogatory comments many thought was more appropriate!!
Regarding the Twitter incident,in my opinion you were stood in a perfect position to see the corners being taken, you were stood in the same place for the mentioned corners but you could only see it was James lawrie who delivered 2 poor corners and not Nicky Clees, maybe move so you have a clear view next time. You also point out you volunteer to provide updates via twitter so thank you for that but please don't allow personal opinions to interfere with reporting the facts.
The teams effort in the 2nd half could not be criticised on a poor pitch against a better team and they kept going till the end regardless of so many insults aimed at them every time they were in earshot
Thanks for that Mr Ford.
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I witnessed this, it was quite apparent that certain players are immune from criticism from sections of our support, what one player is lambasted for, another avoids any criticism and this was happening time and time again in the 2nd half. To those who disagreed with the gentlemans outburst,it was passionate and emotional and if I was on that pitch I would respond to a supporters passion rather than the derogatory comments many thought was more appropriate!!
Regarding the Twitter incident,in my opinion you were stood in a perfect position to see the corners being taken, you were stood in the same place for the mentioned corners but you could only see it was James lawrie who delivered 2 poor corners and not Nicky Clees, maybe move so you have a clear view next time. You also point out you volunteer to provide updates via twitter so thank you for that but please don't allow personal opinions to interfere with reporting the facts.
The teams effort in the 2nd half could not be criticised on a poor pitch against a better team and they kept going till the end regardless of so many insults aimed at them every time they were in earshot
Wind it in. what personal opinions? The fact that I didn't name a player who took a poor corner. Deary me. Maybe watch the game rather than following updates on your phone.
youve either an issue with Lawrie being singled out or Clee not lynched for his first poor corner (it got reported as a poor corner). Lawrie had done the same corner with in 3 minutes. Hence the mention.
You might wish to learn to understand sarcasm after biting at a sarcy comment about Clee being protected.
Lawrie has been at this club for 6 years and never been great at corners. '
There is no conspiracy theory about Nicky or Lawrie. I await my apology for not doing enough for the club with baited breath
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Don't recall criticising you on not doing enough for the club so no apologies needed and my response was to try and give my version of events regarding the facts of the day and the events which unfolded. You chose to inform us all of your generosity in supporting the club with your free time, I don't have the luxury of copious amounts of free time but when I'm able to attend I support with enthusiasm and passion unlike many nowadays
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but when I'm able to attend I support with enthusiasm and passion unlike many nowadays
You're a better man than me then.
Or are you?
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I witnessed this, it was quite apparent that certain players are immune from criticism from sections of our support, what one player is lambasted for, another avoids any criticism and this was happening time and time again in the 2nd half. To those who disagreed with the gentlemans outburst,it was passionate and emotional and if I was on that pitch I would respond to a supporters passion rather than the derogatory comments many thought was more appropriate!!
Regarding the Twitter incident,in my opinion you were stood in a perfect position to see the corners being taken, you were stood in the same place for the mentioned corners but you could only see it was James lawrie who delivered 2 poor corners and not Nicky Clees, maybe move so you have a clear view next time. You also point out you volunteer to provide updates via twitter so thank you for that but please don't allow personal opinions to interfere with reporting the facts.
The teams effort in the 2nd half could not be criticised on a poor pitch against a better team and they kept going till the end regardless of so many insults aimed at them every time they were in earshot
Whilst I appreciate the team showed plenty of effort in the second half, it is not possible to win a game of football if you have no shots at goal. I find it laughable that you feel it's ok to blame a bad pitch and the fact we were playing a 'better' team. Chorley are higher in the table than us yes but in the second half yesterday they were no better than us. How many notable saves did Deasy make compared to their keeper? Both teams could have played without a keeper in the second half.
It speaks volumes that the only bit of praise you can come up with is that 'the players kept going til the end'. So they bloody should it's their job. If you paid someone to wallpaper your living room and they stopped working without hanging the last piece would you say 'oh it's ok he's shown plenty of effort'? You can't praise someone for doing their job badly.
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But continuouly criticising them isn't going to help.
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But continuouly criticising them isn't going to help.
Im afraid geeing the lads on isnt really going to have a massive effect right now. The issues run far, far deeper.
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but when I'm able to attend I support with enthusiasm and passion unlike many nowadays
You're a better man than me then.
Or are you?
Not being familiar with who you are on a personal level I'm unable to answer that
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Don't recall criticising you on not doing enough for the club so no apologies needed and my response was to try and give my version of events regarding the facts of the day and the events which unfolded. You chose to inform us all of your generosity in supporting the club with your free time, I don't have the luxury of copious amounts of free time but when I'm able to attend I support with enthusiasm and passion unlike many nowadays
You did. You also chose to lambast us all for not supporting the club for 52 years like yourself. IVE BEEN WATCHING US FOR 52 YEARS. I DO SO MUCH FOR THE CLUB. DO YOU EVEN KNOW HOW MUCH I DO AT THE CLUB.
I don't do it in my free time. I do it mostly during my work. I'm lucky enough to work in a company that allows me to keep working on Altrincham projects.
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but when I'm able to attend I support with enthusiasm and passion unlike many nowadays
You're a better man than me then.
Or are you?
Not being familiar with who you are on a personal level I'm unable to answer that
Is correct, as I meant to put supporter rather than man.
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Like it or not you pull on the shirt your expected to put effort in and produce something. Doing only one of those two things isn't enough
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I'm 46 years of age !! I'm no mathematician but supporting altrincham for 52 years isn't possible 😳
I think you've confused me with one of the gentleman you we're trying to belittle on the terrace, like I said, I witnessed the events
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But continuouly criticising them isn't going to help.
As a paying customer at a football match I expect my team to put in 100% effort and I also expect to be entertained. Yesterday neither of my expectations were met for the full game so I have the right to complain. If you are 6, 46 or 106 you surely can't be happy with the state of the club at this moment in time?
If continuously criticising the team isn't going to help, then what do you suggest will? Please don't patronise me and say we need to get behind the board and the players because I will just laugh at you.
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Agree that criticising individual players is not going to help. Owens in particular was bearing the brunt of much of the criticism I could hear. He was continually being lambasted for not shooting, though he was surrounded by 4 or 5 Chorley players, several of whom were holding him at any one time. I don't think some of the comments from supporters were fair, even if understandable given the circumstances.
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Agree that criticising individual players is not going to help. Owens in particular was bearing the brunt of much of the criticism I could hear. He was continually being lambasted for not shooting, though he was surrounded by 4 or 5 Chorley players, several of whom were holding him at any one time. I don't think some of the comments from supporters were fair, even if understandable given the circumstances.
When Owens was encouraged to shoot there was an opportunity for him to do so. Due to his inability as a footballer he then took about 32 touches which enabled Chorley defenders to surround him. He then belatedly shot, which was predictably blocked and this led to people's frustrations with him. It wasn't the fact it was Owens. It was the fact this was a recurring theme all through the second half. He wants 5 seconds to get himself set and that just isn't going to happen.
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I don't agree mate. Perhaps that happened once, I don't know, but it seemed to me and another Alty fan I was stood with, that the shouts for him to shoot became increasingly ridiculous as the game wore on. I get that it's frustration and believe me I'm with you on that, but it at least has to be fair. Chorley defend well, they targeted Owens from the start and the lad was ploughing a lone furrow against several defenders at any one time. I just don't think yelling for him to shoot, even when his back is to goal, is particularly helpful.
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It's testament to the incredible support of the fans through 14 months of horror that only now are these types of frustrations are now bubbling up to the surface
It's a free country and if you pay your money your entitled to your opinion as long as of course it's not offensive
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To be fair I think a lot of the anger from fans would be aimed at Rowley and the rest of the clique, rather than players, if they interacted with fans more.
We all know tha won't happen though because there isn't a set of balls between them all.
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It's testament to the incredible support of the fans through 14 months of horror that only now are these types of frustrations are now bubbling up to the surface
It's a free country and if you pay your money your entitled to your opinion as long as of course it's not offensive
these frustrations have been there all along for some of us
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I know some were unhappy when we were drawing away at Oxford in the national leauge . It's a funny old world
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I heard and saw some commotion at the end of the game and quite frankly it's expected. To start arguing about what's posted on Twitter via updates is one of the funniest things I've read on here. Regarding the corners, any player, regardless who, should NOT be putting a ball into touch from a corner, on to Owens - I was stood near the guy shouting at him to shoot, I've been to all our games home and away for the last two months and in my opinion Owens doesn't play the ball quick enough or shoot, he does the hard work then over plays and loses it. This is evident from the other players on the pitch who also become frustrated during games exchanging words. Frankly, it's embarrassing when one of the triers in recent games is a loan player!! (Newby)
I looked at the league last night and couldn't believe Chorley were 3rd, utterly gobsmacked- and we're getting relegated from this shower of sh*t. If you think we've hit the bottom yet I don't think we have, it'll be harder in the Evostick!
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I heard and saw some commotion at the end of the game and quite frankly it's expected. To start arguing about what's posted on Twitter via updates is one of the funniest things I've read on here. Regarding the corners, any player, regardless who, should NOT be putting a ball into touch from a corner, on to Owens - I was stood near the guy shouting at him to shoot, I've been to all our games home and away for the last two months and in my opinion Owens doesn't play the ball quick enough or shoot, he does the hard work then over plays and loses it. This is evident from the other players on the pitch who also become frustrated during games exchanging words. Frankly, it's embarrassing when one of the triers in recent games is a loan player!! (Newby)
I looked at the league last night and couldn't believe Chorley were 3rd, utterly gobsmacked- and we're getting relegated from this shower of sh*t. If you think we've hit the bottom yet I don't think we have, it'll be harder in the Evostick!
The biggest irony must be getting upset at criticism of the players then criticising the twitter team 😂😂
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To be fair I think a lot of the anger from fans would be aimed at Rowley and the rest of the clique, rather than players, if they interacted with fans more.
We all know tha won't happen though because there isn't a set of balls between them all.
To be fair, Grahame Rowley and the board/clique are generally available for a pint so I don't think that's the problem.
I do find it odd though that this gets used both ways as some sort of reasoning. i.e. You've got a lot to say, why don't you go and say it to X as they're available. Really? How many times does person X want to someone to accost them and say you're not putting enough in on the pitch / you're a poor manager / I think you should step down as chairman etc or whatever it may be. Not sure I'd want to.