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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bumble on December 29, 2016, 11:58:07 AM
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That's according to a tweet picked up by Mirror journalist Aaron Flannigan and shared with his followers.
"An Altrincham director claims they are 'thriving' as a club. Really? They have the worst record in the top seven levels of pyramid."
"Ok, the 'club' and the 'team' are different things. But come on. Thriving? They used to be one of Manchester's elite. Now spiralling"
The quote was from a 'club director' according to Aaron. It turned out it's just Phil Taylor putting his foot in it.
Chers Phil!
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How we'll laugh at this next season when we're going toe to toe with Rushall and Warrington for the final play off place in the glue league. What's wrong with you people - beating the likes of Tranmere, Grimsby, Cheltenham and Barnsley last season was all well and good, but I think that the success of the walking football and kids yoga are things that we should be celebrating.
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It's a strange circumstance as usually a fall from grace like this and back to back relegations constitutes a financial problem off the field, however from what I can gather our finances are actually relatively healthy which I guess is what he means.
In some ways you could say that this makes what's happened even worse as there's no excuse apart from poor management on the field and poor decisions off it.
something has gone fundamentally wrong for us to be anywhere near this position. For me and many others the obvious mistake was the appointment of Neil Young who has gambled on a completely new look team and lost spectacularly.
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Crisis ? what crisis ?
We have loads of cash in the bank
All is well at the club
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PR disaster follows PR disaster follows blinkered statements.
When will these individuals learn or be held accountable for their personal views which tarnish our once great club?
Idiocy from the Old Boys Club continues.
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Jesus. We are on our arse and no doubt about it. Not sure how anyone can think otherwise
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Everyone's entitled to their opinion to be fair, even when they're talking sh*te
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What is Phil's position outside the ladies team administrator?
If it's a club official, add to the PR gaffes pile.
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Isn't he Matchday Secretary?
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Maybe he means the ladies team is thriving,after all he did say that was all he was going to comment about in future 😊
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According to www.altrinchamfc.com Phil Taylor is Matchday Secretary.
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What is Phil's position outside the ladies team administrator?
If it's a club official, add to the PR gaffes pile.
As far as I am aware (and I'm sure that someone will correct me if I'm wrong), Phil Taylor currently holds the following roles:
He has recently succeeded George Heslop as the football club's matchday secretary.
He is also a director/board member of Altrincham Football Club Community Sports Limited:
https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07990575/officers (https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/company/07990575/officers)
I also believe that he now has a salaried position as an employee of the aforementioned organisation and works on CSH/community-related activities during the week (possibly on a part-time basis?).
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With that many hats he should be able to pull a rabbit out of at least ONE of them......
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Some people just can't, or refuse to accept that the club is in the sh*t especially on the field, hence the ridiculous statements being shoved out, if the club is "Thriving" how about we get the cheque book out and start buying some players with proven quality.
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Thank God our Social Media never makes any PR gaffes
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Thank God our Social Media never makes any PR gaffes
Like which ones, Ian?
Nothing been tweeting that's cause embarrassment on a national scale on the official Twitter.
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With that many hats he should be able to pull a rabbit out of at least ONE of them......
He did : HARVEY ;) ;)
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The whole thing comes across, in my view anyway, that the worst footballing situation we've probably ever had is supposed to be counterbalanced by community and off the pitch stuff.
The, in my opinion, total disaster of a handful of league wins in a year and a probable second relegation is seen as "having a struggle" whilst everything else is great.
That's how it looks to me. Tail well and truly wagging the dog
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The whole thing comes across, in my view anyway, that the worst footballing situation we've probably ever had is supposed to be counterbalanced by community and off the pitch stuff.
The, in my opinion, total disaster of a handful of league wins in a year and a probable second relegation is seen as "having a struggle" whilst everything else is great.
That's how it looks to me. Tail well and truly wagging the dog
Excellent post,nail hit firmly on the head!
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I live, as most people know, well outside the Altrincham area. The 'community club' thing simply doesn't register with me, I'm afraid; as I see it priority number 1 has to be the senior football team and its ability to maintain the highest level it can consistent with part-time status (which these days probably means Conf North rather than Conf Nat, if one is being honest). The second priority for me is the solvency of the club - not spending more than we have in the kitty, so to speak. The rest doesn't come on to my radar, to be quite truthful, so by my criteria the club is not thriving in that priority 1 is seriously threatened.
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I'd like Phil to come on here and give us his side so we understand the context of his comments.
I'd also like to know why he of all people are being quoted for stuff when we have a media officer.
Thriving is head in the clouds stuff. We clearly haven't hit rock bottom yet and I expect the board agree with Phil unless they say otherwise, therefore don't expect the malaise to end for us fans until we are bottom of the evo stik in 12 months time because the blinkers are on and we are the unseen, unheard and unwanted truth of this tumbling club.
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I'd like Phil to come on here and give us his side so we understand the context of his comments.
I'd also like to know why he of all people are being quoted for stuff when we have a media officer.
To be fair we don't even know if this was in an interview context. The bloke might have just been speaking to Phil at the game about the club and decided to tweet it.
He himself admitted that he was wrong in thinking that he was a director. Just sounds a bit hearsay and informal to me.
Also how does the OP know who it is? Were you there at the time? Is there an article somewhere?
The guy tweeting never mentions a name or maybe I've missed something.
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Phil Taylor tweeted it from his own Twitter account. The journalist just read it and commented.
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From the man himself:
"Reports that Altrincham FC is dead are very premature. THE CLUB is thriving. First Team having a struggle but Club strong" 1/2
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From the man himself:
"Reports that Altrincham FC is dead are very premature. THE CLUB is thriving. First Team having a struggle but Club strong" 1/2
Possibly true, but how naive to put this out when the first team are buggered, and the world can see it. It is embarrassing.
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Phil Taylor tweeted it from his own Twitter account. The journalist just read it and commented.
From the man himself:
"Reports that Altrincham FC is dead are very premature. THE CLUB is thriving. First Team having a struggle but Club strong" 1/2
Right, I see cheers.
Begs the question, does he have a point? Is the CLUB in a better position than it was 10 years ago for instance?
The team clearly isn't. My opinion is that the club might be (or might have been recently) but it won't be anywhere near as thriving if the inevitable happens this season.
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See how it thrives when we are in the glue league and the community isnt as attracted to the csh as much.....maybe then the idiots who asked what is the function of altrincham fc will smell the coffee.
Maybe when the csh cant support paid employees we will hear how the club isnt thriving...and what a disgrace it is...
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Yes i'm sure the 'club' is thriving, the football club certainly isn't though is it?
Last time I checked we all supported a football club, not a social club.
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The whole thing comes across, in my view anyway, that the worst footballing situation we've probably ever had is supposed to be counterbalanced by community and off the pitch stuff.
The, in my opinion, total disaster of a handful of league wins in a year and a probable second relegation is seen as "having a struggle" whilst everything else is great.
That's how it looks to me. Tail well and truly wagging the dog
The tail must be working extremely hard and independently. The dog died last year.
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
Which is what has already happened. I love your dedication to the club Phil and I get totally the need to include much more than the men's first team BUT 98% of the club IS the men's first team.
Come on ALTY.
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Is there any update on a new supporters club? It's important that we have a voice to counteract the rose tinted views of club insiders and express how unhappy many longstanding supporters are of how the club is being run. It's a football club not a Darby and Joan Club.
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
representitive of the club, how embarrassing. Resign immediately
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Tweets here: https://twitter.com/aaronflan/status/814425040947126272
I don't think that the Supporters' Club chairman for Curzon Ashton (for it is he) can be deemed to be fair and impartial in matters relating to Alty.
#ComeOnAlty
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To be fair he was just commenting on what was said by our club official.
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No problem with the Curzon man commenting, and I am sure the original statement wasn't meant maliciously, but it just shows how the club hierarchy have different priorities and don't appreciate our severe predicament.
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Is there any update on a new supporters club? It's important that we have a voice to counteract the rose tinted views of club insiders and express how unhappy many longstanding supporters are of how the club is being run. It's a football club not a Darby and Joan Club.
A new supporters club is being formed in the early party of the new year. It's needed now more than ever.
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No problem with the Curzon man commenting, and I am sure the original statement wasn't meant maliciously, but it just shows how the club hierarchy have different priorities and don't appreciate our severe predicament.
I think you make a great point. As a club official he should have known better and thought it could be taken as the view of the club as a whole . Very niave
The bigger ongoing issue is the huge gulf between the fans and the club
With officials feeling we are thriving it's just adding further fuel on the fire of frustration and division
Instead of the fans getting statements of intent we get this
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
tbf I think he made the right call with this post - there is nothing he can say that would change the mind of the people who have already commented and yet another falling out in writing on this thread will not help anyone. What's done is done people have expressed an opinion and we move on.
Come on Alty
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
tbf I think he made the right call with this post - there is nothing he can say that would change the mind of the people who have already commented and yet another falling out in writing on this thread will not help anyone. What's done is done people have expressed an opinion and we move on.
Come on Alty
your right we have to move on. Untill the next public gaffe
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
tbf I think he made the right call with this post - there is nothing he can say that would change the mind of the people who have already commented and yet another falling out in writing on this thread will not help anyone. What's done is done people have expressed an opinion and we move on.
Come on Alty
your right we have to move on. Untill the next public gaffe
that's the interweb. Everything is public.
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
tbf I think he made the right call with this post - there is nothing he can say that would change the mind of the people who have already commented and yet another falling out in writing on this thread will not help anyone. What's done is done people have expressed an opinion and we move on.
Come on Alty
your right we have to move on. Untill the next public gaffe
that's the interweb. Everything is public.
very true and once it's out there it's out there
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Tweets deleted
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-Tweets from my PERSONAL Account and my personal views
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Pointless me trying to explain in writing as likelihood of misinterpretation huge
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-Not happy at seemingly being vilified for supporting my Club
Explanation would be better to be honest.
I think all the points on here are more than fair, especially from our more far-flung supporters.
What you have to remember Phil, is that even though you're a supporter and your Twitter account is your own, whilst you are a director of the community club and the clubs match day secretary, your views also represent the views of the club, and must therefore understand the accountability aspect of what you say.
tbf I think he made the right call with this post - there is nothing he can say that would change the mind of the people who have already commented and yet another falling out in writing on this thread will not help anyone. What's done is done people have expressed an opinion and we move on.
Come on Alty
your right we have to move on. Untill the next public gaffe
that's the interweb. Everything is public.
very true and once it's out there it's out there
Forever.
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I live, as most people know, well outside the Altrincham area. The 'community club' thing simply doesn't register with me, I'm afraid; as I see it priority number 1 has to be the senior football team and its ability to maintain the highest level it can consistent with part-time status (which these days probably means Conf North rather than Conf Nat, if one is being honest). The second priority for me is the solvency of the club - not spending more than we have in the kitty, so to speak. The rest doesn't come on to my radar, to be quite truthful, so by my criteria the club is not thriving in that priority 1 is seriously threatened.
I agree but with the proviso that we shouldn't be held to a part time basis. there has to be a plan to move on from that. Obviously not going full time on gates of 500 but to grow crowds, outside income and to attract structured investment to supplement that and put us back on a level playing field. Otherwise you eventually fall backwards as we are seeing.
Yes of course we must stay solvent but we must look to expand our means and then keep within then, occasionally moving beyond then sometimes as necessary. I hate to think of money we're squandering trying to sort this mess out. Again, the lack of any new outside ideas or investment in 15 years is very poor and that with the failure of the current model leads to frustration and discontent and , pertinently, disengagement on a level I haven't seen in my 38 years.
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Even the club mascot has left. Dark times lie ahead.
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Even the club mascot has left. Dark times lie ahead.
It's been dark all f**king year.
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Even the club mascot has left. Dark times lie ahead.
Well it seems like Rocky Robin didn't like the Rocky times we are going through, Im sure he will be sat on a spade somewhere contemplating his future.. ;)