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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mick on December 26, 2016, 05:01:36 PM
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Save for next season
Discuss
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100% agree
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Its on!y about where we finish in May 2018 so I agree.
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Save for next season
Discuss
We need to appoint a manager and start identifying players for next season,we need to be prepared as early as possible.
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Save for next season
Discuss
We need to appoint a manager and start identifying players for next season,we need to be prepared as early as possible.
Yep, agree with this.
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No just fold and call it a day
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There were nearly 1800 home fans today, which is just extraordinary given the circumstances. Surely they deserve better than 7 points?
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Crowds will dwindle from now on so I agree. Not sure how we would do it though, I think most of the players we have left are on contracts.
Give the managers job to MD until the end of the season. Use the time to clearly identify a manager and get him in straight after the final game of the season.
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The fans deserve more becouse there fantastic but the club deserves nothing at all
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great crowd today....hats off to all the alty faithful that went
next season is a phoenix from the flames...could do with sorting out a manager but not putting them in until close season, only as they can start to identify who they need instead of panic signings
we will return but they need to shed of this we are a massive club in a small pond idea...we are still part time and it shows
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Crowds will dwindle from now on so I agree. Not sure how we would do it though, I think most of the players we have left are on contracts.
Give the managers job to MD until the end of the season. Use the time to clearly identify a manager and get him in straight after the final game of the season.
I disagree with appointing MD until the end of the season. I think we need to identify a manager we want and get him in place ASAP so he has plenty of time to start making plans for next season.
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great crowd today....hats off to all the alty faithful that went
next season is a phoenix from the flames...could do with sorting out a manager but not putting them in until close season, only as they can start to identify who they need instead of panic signings
we will return but they need to shed of this we are a massive club in a small pond idea...we are still part time and it shows
we won't return return with this board
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Shameful trying to explain this latest calamity to friends and family on the south coast, all they see is once proud club 0-3 made up club. Start building for next season an be open with it.youll get an easier ride than looking like your sitting on your hands and hoping things turn out ok. Identify managers that have won this league in the last five years and spend nothing else this year with respect. We've maybe five or six that should stay, no more. Start building to win the league below, there's 1500/1700 people getting mugged off here. I would have folded six to eight months ago treating my regular customers in this fashion. I NEVR comment on games I don't attend, I don't need to Altrincham 0-3 FC United of Manchester...,
Have a word if yoursejves.
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Crowds will dwindle from now on so I agree. Not sure how we would do it though, I think most of the players we have left are on contracts.
Give the managers job to MD until the end of the season. Use the time to clearly identify a manager and get him in straight after the final game of the season.
I disagree with appointing MD until the end of the season. I think we need to identify a manager we want and get him in place ASAP so he has plenty of time to start making plans for next season.
I don't think a manager with the credentials we need would come to us now and get relegated .
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What a pathetic performance that was. We never committed enough men forward to score a goal and FCUM didn't need to get out of second gear. Gary Jones seemed to be doing the running for the whole midfield at one point in the second half. Reeves and Lawrie were absolutely appalling, and Densmore had a nightmare when he came on. This is without question the worst team I've seen in 26 years of watching. Rubbish.
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Crowds will dwindle from now on so I agree. Not sure how we would do it though, I think most of the players we have left are on contracts.
Give the managers job to MD until the end of the season. Use the time to clearly identify a manager and get him in straight after the final game of the season.
I disagree with appointing MD until the end of the season. I think we need to identify a manager we want and get him in place ASAP so he has plenty of time to start making plans for next season.
I don't think a manager with the credentials we need would come to us now and get relegated .
If the board are honest enough to say to a new manager that you're building for next season then I reckon they'll be a few hungry managers with the correct credentials prepared to come and start building a team to win promotion next season and kick on from there.
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We could do a lot worse than offer Gary Jones the role of player/manager.
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We could do a lot worse than offer Gary Jones the role of player/manager.
This.
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Agreed cut what we can.
Are all 3 of the management taking a wage?
Hanngans on a 2 year contract but how thats works when we go down a level i dont know.
I try to keep Patterson Richman Miller Clee Wilkinson and Reeves. As they would be taking a huge loss in wages i cant see any staying.
Theres no doubt well be the biggest club in divison with i would imagine with the biggest budget. Attracking players shouldnt be a problem. Knowing which ones might be
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Has Jones got coaching badges? Experience? Why him?
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Worse I have seen a Moss Lane perform in 35 years. School boy errors, none of the defense are good enough. Only Jones gave 100%.
The board will love to sit and do nothing until the end of the season we need a manager now!
Dont let them escape
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Agreed cut what we can.
Are all 3 of the management taking a wage?
Hanngans on a 2 year contract but how thats works when we go down a level i dont know.
I try to keep Patterson Richman Miller Clee Wilkinson and Reeves. As they would be taking a huge loss in wages i cant see any staying.
Theres no doubt well be the biggest club in divison with i would imagine with the biggest budget. Attracking players shouldnt be a problem. Knowing which ones might be
I'm not sure we'd have the biggest budget tbh
Stafford and Hednesford are similar sized clubs plus Scarborough and Rushden if they come up and Shaw Ln are throwing money about.
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If the only way to keep Jones is to give the player/manager role then do it
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Worse I have seen a Moss Lane perform in 35 years. School boy errors, none of the defense are good enough. Only Jones gave 100%.
The board will love to sit and do nothing until the end of the season we need a manager now!
Dont let them escape
How many mangers out of work now would want this job firstly and are what we're looking for? You can argue for one to come in now to rebuild for next year but no manager wants (what is almost certainly) a guaranteed relegation on their CV
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Lots of folk thought Harvey was the real deal, and Young for that matter.
Whoever the next guy is, the board will have to be 100% sure he is the right choice AND to make sure that he has sufficient funding to carryout the task.
Get those blokes who want to invest in the club on board ASP and get them on the board ffs
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If the only way to keep Jones is to give the player/manager role then do it
Why? His ball playign today was insulting.
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If the only way to keep Jones is to give the player/manager role then do it
Why? His ball playign today was insulting.
Agreed cut what we can.
Are all 3 of the management taking a wage?
Hanngans on a 2 year contract but how thats works when we go down a level i dont know.
I try to keep Patterson Richman Miller Clee Wilkinson and Reeves. As they would be taking a huge loss in wages i cant see any staying.
Theres no doubt well be the biggest club in divison with i would imagine with the biggest budget. Attracking players shouldnt be a problem. Knowing which ones might be
McWilliams has been consistent and better at defending than Paterson. I would keep Paterson as a squad player but majority of their attacks today came down their left. I thought the new lad Brownhill did OK.
Our biggest mistake was not keeping Havern and Leather for this season.
We need a player like Wilkinson for his vision and passing but he needs a Jones's engine.
Lawrie can seriously do one. Most of energy is put into fouling. Too many games he disappears for my liking.
I would keep Deasy, Paterson, Moult, Richman, Densmore ( if fit) Hannigan, Wilkinson ( if he works harder), McWilliams, Miller, Clee and I need to see more of Brownhill.
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Yes id keep mcwilliams.
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Brownhill did well for his first game, how he was taken off but Lawrie stayed on I don't know. McWilliams is too weak for me, and ive never seen him deliver a good ball into the box.
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I think Deasy, Wilkinson and Clee will stay. Hopefully Jones will be given a coaching role. Would love for Hannigan and Miller to stay too, but just can't see it. That's about it for me.
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Worse I have seen a Moss Lane perform in 35 years. School boy errors, none of the defense are good enough. Only Jones gave 100%.
The board will love to sit and do nothing until the end of the season we need a manager now!
Dont let them escape
How many mangers out of work now would want this job firstly and are what we're looking for? You can argue for one to come in now to rebuild for next year but no manager wants (what is almost certainly) a guaranteed relegation on their CV
Why do they have to be out of work? We should be looking beyond the unemployed and making sure we employ the right man for the job even if that means approaching another club and paying compensation.
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I'm fairly sure that only choosing from whatever available out of work (i.e. Failed) managers happen to apply has been proven beyond doubt now to be an absolutely disastrous option?
And for the second time this year, giving it to people we know and like without making a real effort to identify another option is proving to be f**king wank too...
Surely this time round we have to have a long term plan of where we want the club to be and accordingly a method to achieve it and as such a manager we can identify to achieve this with the necessary qualities and apply the effort and resources to get him.
As for the players, I think we're now at the point where I don't care if any of them stay or go to be honest. I certainly don't care for x is/was a good player or y sometimes offers this or z has got potential/or did whatever in the past,
Right now, if it looks like a duck and sounds like a duck then it is a duck. And we are well and truly ducked
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A lot of the players at this club simply don't care about playing for Alty
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The issue for me now is the board. Talking about identifying a manager for next season is right but if it's this board's job to do so, we can be sure they'll screw it up.
My only hope for this season is that we're relegated early enough to enable a new board to be put in place to appoint a new manager early in the close season.
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next week then, the three man team is adding fook all
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Lee Sinnott is our man
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Lee Sinnott is our man
Sticking with Lee for too long was one of the reasons we went down............needed to replace the injured Clee and Densmore and we tried to wing-it
That said, 20/20, could actually be achievable next season :D........but even then I am not entirely sure >:(
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Right now I'd settle for 20 out of 21 points, but I'm not convinced we're going to get 20 points all season!
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Let's face it. We are down. May as well install a player managers to cut costs. No manager worth their salt will touch us with a barge pole right now. We are no longer a non league giant. On the contrary, the fact that more people get the metro from Altrincham to watch United than watch us for our biggest home game of the season speaks volumes. I was one of them today, and it was good to see a home win😉
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Lee Sinnott is our man
where is Chris senior these days ?
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Let's face it. We are down. May as well install a player managers to cut costs. No manager worth their salt will touch us with a barge pole right now. We are no longer a non league giant. On the contrary, the fact that more people get the metro from Altrincham to watch United than watch us for our biggest home game of the season speaks volumes. I was one of them today, and it was good to see a home win😉
There were 1600 plus home fans there yesterday and 400 plus at stockport our average crowd is probably up on last season! Although some have stopped going new fans appear to be coming back
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There should be as much more as possible going into next years budget. Every penny from every source.
I hope those responsible for the mess might pay to clean some of it up
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Lee Sinnott is our man
Sticking with Lee for too long was one of the reasons we went down............needed to replace the injured Clee and Densmore and we tried to wing-it
That said, 20/20, could actually be achievable next season :D........but even then I am not entirely sure >:(
Folk need to be very careful what they wish for.
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The issue for me now is the board. Talking about identifying a manager for next season is right but if it's this board's job to do so, we can be sure they'll screw it up.
My only hope for this season is that we're relegated early enough to enable a new board to be put in place to appoint a new manager early in the close season.
Fully agree with this. No point in bringing in a new manager until we have a new board
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I'd love to know who will be on this "new board" as those people ( which going by yesterday number less than 20) who want to sack the current board don't have a clue. They just assume that people will magically appear and take over running the club.
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The problem with this club has been the same for years.......
There are major shareholders clinging onto shares who probably aren't even aware we are bottom of the league or that there was a game on yesterday.
The current board should be selling a club that has all the infrastructure in place, 400 away fans when bottom, a supporters association that can raise 700 from a xmas dinner.
At the time, Kingy was right to dilute the shareholding to prevent a repeat of maunderisation....the world is a different place now....unfortunately kingy distributed those shares to completely apathetic people who don't care about Alty....they now call the shares a millstone round the neck, yet refuse to pass them on.
We need an enthusiastic new shareholding who appoint an amibitiuos football based board who don't accept defeat and demand performance from a manager.
Our current board have repeated mistakes....we are currently managed by the person who assisted our relegation and most of an abysmal season.....
I understand the cote has identified that the main problem with our squad is fitness.....put the cote in sole charge now and lets start with the basics.....a few nil nils and make us difficult to beat....I'd take boring football with a bit of fight from now till the end of the season......it's ridiculous watching us try to play football with players not fit or good enough.
I wish the season would end now.... am optimistic about next season but we need new shareholders and a new chairman.
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I'd love to know who will be on this "new board" as those people ( which going by yesterday number less than 20) who want to sack the current board don't have a clue. They just assume that people will magically appear and take over running the club.
Just for clarity, I wasn't in attendance yesterday as I'm away, but there are plenty of long time supporters of this club actively staying away at present. It saddens me greatly and wouldn't be my chosen approach, but I respect everyones right to stay away. It might look like it numbers less than twenty but can people really not see the dissenting voices are growing? It's all well and good whe it's Salford and Macclesfield home and FC United at home. We'll see where we are really at when it's Gainsborough and Worcester and brackley etc In February. The clubs been around for 100+ years, guardians of the club are just that. They come, they go. I don't think we are a big enough club to have a revolution, but we certainly need changes, 4 wins in a calendar year tells you that alone. And supporters (customers) have every right to complain. Especially paying inflated prices. An adult match entrance here is in real terms 20 quid once you've paid in, bought a raffle ticket and a programme.
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I certainly respect anybody who wishes to stay away at the moment but for me the club needs my support more than ever, so i continue to go. I do find it hard though to respect the small group of lads (some of whom i dont think have been following the club that long) who were yesterday chanting "sack the board" who are offering no alternative other than to shout foul mouthed abuse.
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Totally agree nearly all the players are unfit and GH can certainly sort men from boys. Buzz should no passion in the dugout yesterday we need someone who at least looks motivated. Is Buzz too close to the players to drive them hard?
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I certainly respect anybody who wishes to stay away at the moment but for me the club needs my support more than ever, so i continue to go. I do find it hard though to respect the small group of lads (some of whom i dont think have been following the club that long) who were yesterday chanting "sack the board" who are offering no alternative other than to shout foul mouthed abuse.
Most of these lads have been watching alty since the 90s... The rest? The mid 2000s.
They go home and away.
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Let it be known I am bored sh*tless with the attitude that people are irreplaceable.
I hazard that 99% of us are fully replaceable in our jobs.
Pray tell what is so special about Altrincham Football Club?
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The issue of disinterested shareholders keeps cropping up.
As a long standing supporter of some 25 years, I can honestly say that I don't have a clue who theses people are.
Is it possible for me to find out or is it a closely guarded secret for some reason?
What are the benefits of holding a shareholding in Alty?
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The issue of disinterested shareholders keeps cropping up.
As a long standing supporter of some 25 years, I can honestly say that I don't have a clue who theses people are.
Is it possible for me to find out or is it a closely guarded secret for some reason?
What are the benefits of holding a shareholding in Alty?
Try googling Altrincham FC shareholders.
You'll find a full and frank list. All 257 of them.
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Thanks for that Alty Social.
As you say quite a list.
I think I have detected a few significant changes in the last year.
Time for some closer analysis.
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I certainly respect anybody who wishes to stay away at the moment but for me the club needs my support more than ever, so i continue to go. I do find it hard though to respect the small group of lads (some of whom i dont think have been following the club that long) who were yesterday chanting "sack the board" who are offering no alternative other than to shout foul mouthed abuse.
Ok thats all right then, lets just keep things as they are..right? This is not a bad season its an unmitigated disaster, when did you last look at the league table and consider how quickly and far we have fallen. (I have followed alty all my 43 years, many a time home and away, i havent been to a game since the end of november- its too hard to take)
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I certainly respect anybody who wishes to stay away at the moment but for me the club needs my support more than ever, so i continue to go. I do find it hard though to respect the small group of lads (some of whom i dont think have been following the club that long) who were yesterday chanting "sack the board" who are offering no alternative other than to shout foul mouthed abuse.
Ok thats all right then, lets just keep things as they are..right? This is not a bad season its an unmitigated disaster, when did you last look at the league table and consider how quickly and far we have fallen. (I have followed alty all my 43 years, many a time home and away, i havent been to a game since the end of november- its too hard to take)
This. Precisely this.
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I certainly respect anybody who wishes to stay away at the moment but for me the club needs my support more than ever, so i continue to go. I do find it hard though to respect the small group of lads (some of whom i dont think have been following the club that long) who were yesterday chanting "sack the board" who are offering no alternative other than to shout foul mouthed abuse.
Ok thats all right then, lets just keep things as they are..right? This is not a bad season its an unmitigated disaster, when did you last look at the league table and consider how quickly and far we have fallen. (I have followed alty all my 43 years, many a time home and away, i havent been to a game since the end of november- its too hard to take)
Excellent post Toff! I have been watching Alty home and away for 35yrs and I feel exactly the same!
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I've been regularly attending since 1976.
Very frustrated at the moment, as are my son and daughter that have attended for the last 11 years.
Look at other teams bigger than us that have fallen and recovered. We are in that cycle now, lets hope we have an upward trend in the New Year.
I support no other team, so will continue to attend where I can in the hope of some entertainment in the near future. There is much worse things going on around us.
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Quite. Those who support the board ask those who don't 'who will replace them?'. But the bigger question to me is one of accountability - a double relegation will be such a catastrophe for the club that I fail to see how the board could in all conscience do anything but stand aside. They should in my opinion be making a statement to that effect sooner rather than later.
My question for those who want the board to stay is - what would it take for you to call on them to stand down? If two relegations isn't enough, what about three? Or would you prefer Grahame Rowley to be Chairman Eternal and rule forever?
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Quite. Those who support the board ask those who don't 'who will replace them?'. But the bigger question to me is one of accountability - a double relegation will be such a catastrophe for the club that I fail to see how the board could in all conscience do anything but stand aside. They should in my opinion be making a statement to that effect sooner rather than later.
Agreed. Sword falling is required. In a controlled responsible way. Mass resignations with nobody lined up to step in immediately must be avoided.
It is unthinkable to start next season with the current board.
I still fecking LOVE ALTY FC.
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I think where the problem lies is well beyond GR. He's just been voted back as chairman by the 'board'. That means all significant shareholders, or a majority of them, want him there.
There in itself is a big issue. At the point he was voted back in we were almost certainly heading for a successive relegation. I've finally admitted to myself after boxing day that this is now certain (and that really hurts to accept). That means that the current board, and all others able to vote (not sure who that is in its entirety), decided that GR was the person required to do the job. So either those people think where we are is ok or they dont feel amongst themselves they could do any better, or could be arsed to try.
That also raises another issue. The board and the people who have put them there seem to believe that doing great off the pitch is more than enough. They are spectacularly missing the point, and maybe its not helped by our loyal fans still turning up in their droves, that not before very long we will be a mid table side in the northern league looking at a minimum of 3 seasons to get back up, barring a miracle (I take Stockport as a yard stick). There will be no away fans next season, thats probably a minimum of 100k revenue less compared to this season. There will be no big derby games pulling in >2k crowds, there goes another 100k at least. There will be much less interest in sponsoring the club, there will be much less interest from local kids, families and bored United/City fans to come and watch Alty when we are playing Mickleover Sports or which ever village team is coming to hoof the ball from the giant defender to the giant striker over our still bewildered on contract bang average midfielders. We are going to lose a massive amount of revenue, marketing appeal and supporters from this club when we get relegated. This season in the conf North and for the next couple of seasons we probably could have kept revenue close to conf national level with all the interest in Salford, FCUM, County etc. Its gone now, we're done for and recovering this position is pretty much impossible in less than ten years.
Just consider that. If you think this is bad, we wont be in this luxurious league for another 3-5 years. Possibly longer if the current attitude of the board stays.
As a club we have proved ourselves inept. Bigger home crowds than i've seen in years and years, Duncan gone to Sunderland for a pile of cash and new facilities that bring income towards the playing squad. All that and we have managed 4 wins in the league all year. One of them was against an already relegated club, so it actually doesnt even count.
This is a crisis!
I'm just flabbergasted that this hasnt even sunk in at board level. Theres only one option for me and thats throw the kitchen sink and every other sink in the ground at the playing squad. Go out and spend money we can slowly recover in the conf north that will be long gone anyway if we get relegated. Bring in a load of players that will get us out of this mess and pay them what they want to get it done.
Fannying around for an almost fit Nicky Clee, or a mostly uninterested Walshaw, or a pushing 40 loanee from Southport (who seems now to be the best we have) is an absolute joke. A complete bloody joke. What a disgrace. And if the excuse is that all the good players cant be attracted because they are settled or because we cant compete with harrogate then i'm sorry thats a bloody joke too. That means nobody at the club knows how to attract players and do the dirty business that gets these lads through the door and on to the pitch earning us points.
What an absolute joke we've become. I dont want the board to go, or GR to resign. I want someone to pull their fecking finger out and do something more than these half arsed gestures at saving us from relegation. If it takes a new chairman to do that then fine, if it means a new manager then fine, but just get on with it and do it. They're the board stop giving us questionaires and just fecking bring in some players at any cost to save the club. Its not rocket sceince.
I apologise for the rant and language. Im just absolutely exacerbated that we've dribbled along at a snails pace fixing this disaster of a season and given up without the slightest hint of a fight.
I'll be a Moston on NYD because I miss my mates and I also hold out some sort of hope for a miracle that inevitably wont come.
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A large issue we have though now is that we are not seen as an attractive club to join at present .
Coupled with the fact a number of the current squad don't seem to care either it's a disaster
Huge changes needed to change that perception for next season
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A large issue we have though now is that we are not seen as an attractive club to join at present .
Coupled with the fact a number of the current squad don't seem to care either it's a disaster
Huge changes needed to change that perception for next season
There's too much indulgence all over and I'm not sure it's changing under the current management trio.
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Agreed. The current management trio should only be a stop gap, though I worry that sentiment may play a part again.
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Bump
Get players we want for glue league sorted over next few weeks where possible