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Contract terminated with immediate effect. See main website. Doughty i/c this evening.
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Decisive action from the board. A really tough call; but direct action taken. Well done.
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I reckon they sacked him because they didn't fancy Sound of Silence interviewing him ;)
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Correct decision due to his wank record, well done to the board
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Had to be done. At least we might go down with a bit of pride now.
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But who do we bring in??????? SINNIN
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Although results have been terrible, if anyone thinks there is another candidate who can turn this sh*te round, they are living in cloud cuckoo land. The Chairman and the Board have presided over this shambles and should resign with immediate effect.
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Believe me, I am REALLY not that scary.
So that's 5 managers in under a year, and the second time we have put the assistant in charge when the main man has gone (which didn't prove a success last time, but may of course only be very temporary).
Interesting that they didn't go for the Densmore / Goodall / Moult option again - the way we played under them wasn't the worst we have performed this season, particularly given the quality of the 3 teams we played under them, who are all serious play-off contenders (Kiddy, Stockport & Chorley, I recall) - two one goal defeats and a draw.
At this rate we will have had more managers this season than Curtis Obeng has had clubs.
Who would we all like to see as the permanent replacement, bearing in mind that recent history probably does not make it the most attractive of jobs?
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I reckon they sacked him because they didn't fancy Sound of Silence interviewing him ;)
He could always conduct the interviews for the next Victim, I mean, Manager.
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Believe me, I am REALLY not that scary.
So that's 5 managers in under a year, and the second time we have put the assistant in charge when the main man has gone (which didn't prove a success last time, but may of course only be very temporary).
Interesting that they didn't go for the Densmore / Goodall / Moult option again - the way we played under them wasn't the worst we have performed this season, particularly given the quality of the 3 teams we played under them, who are all serious play-off contenders (Kiddy, Stockport & Chorley, I recall) - two one goal defeats and a draw.
At this rate we will have had more managers this season than Curtis Obeng has had clubs.
Who would we all like to see as the permanent replacement, bearing in mind that recent history probably does not make it the most attractive of jobs?
VofD
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I will get slated for this but I don't care...... I would give it to Heathcote (just until the end of the season). Then I expect the board ( hopefully with new investors and a place on the board) to then reassess the situation then come up with a workable solution to sort this sh*t out once and for all and start to concentrate on getting Altrincham FC back on track with the first team the primary aim first and foremost on the agenda.
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I'm sat by the phone. ;) ;)
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Underwhelmed by Doughty as a coach, generally.
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I'm sat by the phone. ;) ;)
Are you a 090 number :D
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The correct decision. Well done to the board for decisive action. Not to sure about MD or where we turn now but it to be done.
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We need a young, hungry manager who can get us promoted next season. I'm afraid it's already too late to avoid the drop.
I'd put Dens in charge for now and see what he can do.
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We need a no nonsense scouser in charge that'll take no messing. He can 4 or 5 players top Liverpool Sunday League players with him that'll give it 110% on the pitch and never give up,similar to Mark Maddox when we first signed him.
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My hope for the next manager is that he is someone we have identified with a credible plan rather than waiting to see who throws their hat in the ring.
Even if that means getting someone currently managing another club and indeed paying for compensation if we have to.
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A terrible decision imo, Rowley has done it to deflect criticism from him that had started up again. How many managers does he want? Surely it's time the board looked closer to home where the real problem lies.
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Really sorry that yet another manager has failed here
But what choice did we have ?
Bad times
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Underwhelmed by Doughty as a coach, generally.
Indeed.
Just how on earth has he managed to survive the carnage?
His record (in two separate spells) as Alty's assistant manager in league fixtures is:
Won: 3.
Drawn: 3.
Lost: 15.
Why not just revert to the trio of Densmore, Goodall and Moult?
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My hope for the next manager is that he is someone we have identified with a credible plan rather than waiting to see who throws their hat in the ring.
Even if that means getting someone currently managing another club and indeed paying for compensation if we have to.
The plan isn't the issue its the execution.
Neil Young had a good solid plan, executed it poorly
Jim has a decent plan but executed it poorly
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Very bemused by Matt Doughty being given the caretaker job btw. In his 2 spells as assistant manager under 2 different manager we've failed miserably!
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Very bemused by Matt Doughty being given the caretaker job btw. In his 2 spells as assistant manager under 2 different manager we've failed miserably!
See above!
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My hope for the next manager is that he is someone we have identified with a credible plan rather than waiting to see who throws their hat in the ring.
Even if that means getting someone currently managing another club and indeed paying for compensation if we have to.
The plan isn't the issue its the execution.
Neil Young had a good solid plan, executed it poorly
Jim has a decent plan but executed it poorly
neil young had a good plan? Lol what was that plan exactly ?
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My hope for the next manager is that he is someone we have identified with a credible plan rather than waiting to see who throws their hat in the ring.
Even if that means getting someone currently managing another club and indeed paying for compensation if we have to.
+1
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Harvey inherited a big challenge and failed miserably to rise to it. Some ludicrous selections did not inspire confidence.
My only question is whether now is a better time to hire a new manager than the summer - it won't make any difference to the outcome of this season and the job might be more attractive and untainted by then. Of course, I have no confidence in the board to get the right man in any event. I had to laugh when I read all the earnest guff about taking their time and making sure they get it right. Isn't that what happened in the summer? And we ended up with Neil Young!
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Very bemused by Matt Doughty being given the caretaker job btw. In his 2 spells as assistant manager under 2 different manager we've failed miserably!
See above!
Sorry Cult,we posted at similar times and I failed to read yours before clicking post.
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Very bemused by Matt Doughty being given the caretaker job btw. In his 2 spells as assistant manager under 2 different manager we've failed miserably!
See above!
Sorry Cult,we posted at similar times and I failed to read yours before clicking post.
No problem.
I'm just amazed that this board hasn't brought Tolson back....
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Very bemused by Matt Doughty being given the caretaker job btw. In his 2 spells as assistant manager under 2 different manager we've failed miserably!
See above!
Sorry Cult,we posted at similar times and I failed to read yours before clicking post.
No problem.
I'm just amazed that this board hasn't brought Tolson back....
Careful Barry, there's time yet!
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Underwhelmed by Doughty as a coach, generally.
Indeed.
Just how on earth has he managed to survive the carnage?
His record (in two separate spells) as Alty's assistant manager in league fixtures is:
Won: 3.
Drawn: 3.
Lost: 15.
Why not just revert to the trio of Densmore, Goodall and Moult?
Whilst I agree with your general point Mr Cult, the amazing thing about those stats are that Matt Doughty has been an assistant manager for 75% of our league wins this calendar year.
We have had 6 management teams this calendar year and 4 league wins. That in itself says it all.
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Good decision to let JH go. Possibly too late but who knows.
Let's get behind Buzz whether he's the right man for the job or not.
A win tonight and a good performance on Sat may be the catalyst for the rest of the season. Here's hoping anyway!
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The board need to decide whether in their eyes this season is a right off or do they believe with a bit of organisation, sensible selections and fight we could still stay up. If we are still fighting then we need a man that can hit the ground running, needs no introduction and knows exactly which players are crap and which can still contribute. If that's the case I'd see if Graham Heathcote could take the job until the end of the season. I know it may appear bizarre but so are the circumstances. We don't want a man coming in with the "I need to see everybody play and everybody will get a chance to show me what they can do". That would just consume time we haven't got.
If the season is done, then the board might as well take their time and go for that young hungry manager on the way up (if there are any out there!)
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Yes to heathcote he no's the script
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I don't think Heathcote would take it, from what I know he's done with management.
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Playing Goodall at centre back after signing a team of centre backs put the nail in his coffin and rightly so. Also his post match analysis was always the same tone, he seemed lost. For me Heathcote and I appreciate that will upset a few but we need some passion and fight back as decent players are hard to find. Heathcote would 100% bring some fight back.
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I don't think Heathcote would take it, from what I know he's done with management.
Yeh, he may not want it, but I think it's important for the next man to have some alty in them
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Sack the manager to deflect criticism of the board. We are in a right old mess. One wonders if Mr Goodwin saw all this coming and he got out when the going was good?
How we have gone from 20/20 and pushing for maybe 12-15 in the National League to bottom of the Conference North is beyond my comprehension.
There must be more to it than suggesting we have had bad managers.
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My hope for the next manager is that he is someone we have identified with a credible plan rather than waiting to see who throws their hat in the ring.
Even if that means getting someone currently managing another club and indeed paying for compensation if we have to.
The plan isn't the issue its the execution.
Neil Young had a good solid plan, executed it poorly
Jim has a decent plan but executed it poorly
I know what you're saying Jack, although I think NY plan was a bit hit and hope , and I'm not certain what JH plan actually was (whatever it was it was certainly a slow burner as I suggested a few months ago).
What I'm getting at is you know why was JH the right man 3 months ago but not in the summer.
Is any manager we get just going to be out of whatever out of work (failed?) managers come along. We should (already) have a candidate in mind who we think can achieve what we want and should be looking to approach him and provide him with the necessary backing..
There shouldn't really be an interview stage and if there is, I don't currently have faith in the questions we will ask. Because make no mistake, the questions are more important than the answers in an interview
GR has said we are drifting but that's because we are drifting as a club.
10-12 years ago we had a clear plan to pay off debts and attract good part time players. I've not been sure what our plan has been in recent times. Hope for the best really I guessed
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20/20 was a completely ridiculous target in the first place - I mentioned at the time that only Crawley had achieved it - and it cost hundreds of thousands in transfer fees and wages to do so
It should have been a more realistic target (something substantially less) and 20/20 should have raised eyebrows at the time and questioned the sanity of the manager, albeit people were getting giddy with a lower-mid table Conf National finish and talking about play-offs. Acting too late to save our Conf National skin was maybe the start ?
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Might as well give the job to Dens. We won't pay compensation to bring in another manager - absolutely no chance.
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Might as well give the job to Dens. We won't pay compensation to bring in another manager - absolutely no chance.
Seeing as we're paying him to sit in the stands he might as well do something useful.
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Might as well give the job to Dens. We won't pay compensation to bring in another manager - absolutely no chance.
Seeing as we're paying him to sit in the stands he might as well do something useful.
He's been named as one of tonight's substitutes.
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Heathcote assisting Doughty tonight along with Robbie Lawton.
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Hannigan off injured AGAIN!!
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Hannigan off injured AGAIN!!
Indeed - something not right here.
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I would Graham ago he has Alty in his blood and knows how to battle
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Sorry to see Jim go but the job seemed too big for a manager even of his experience and he seemed out of ideas.....I'd reached the stage where this season was a write off and I was happy for him to build for next season......
I think he was on the face of it the right candidate for the job at the time of appointing him and none of us saw the terrible run of results he was to preside over.....I would have liked to have seen the cote bought in as coach under him or at least heard that we'd tried that......I think coaching has been an issue for us all season and how are things going to get any better with the same coach as caretaker manager?.....I feel we are making the same mistake again when under dens we showed a bit more shape at least.
I'd prefer to see the cote put in as sort of ongoing temporary charge but agree we need a hungry manager doing well at this or a lower level.
I think if dens was put in temporary charge we'd see a pick up in hope and fight also.
Under buzz I'm sorry....I can just see more or the same....
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Finally some balls from the board! Finally some admission that we are adrift and this isn't just a blip that will turn.
I too have little faith we'll recruit the right person any time soon. Given that, and it seems the board too acknowledge it, then it needs to be a long process to get the right person and if that's the case get GH in until the process is done and let him set some example.
You know just maybe knowing the board have finally clicked on and grown a pair coupled with GH giving a few rollockings might just put a rocket up the arses of a few of our players and get some results.
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Hannigan off injured AGAIN!!
Alas, he appears to be the new Martin Hanchard.
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You know just maybe knowing the board have finally clicked on and grown a pair coupled with GH giving a few rollockings might just put a rocket up the arses of a few of our players and get some results.
I expect that any one of us as fans can go into that dressing room and "give a few rollockings" and put "rockets up arses"............there are certainly some well known supporters on the Golf Rd who could do that......................but do you think that is the answer - a nasty word and we will inspire the players to start winning games ???
I am sure that NY and JH have tried that approach
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Hannigan off injured AGAIN!!
He was a hallmark signing by NY and I have to say one of the ones we have signed who are 'up to it' at this level, along with Patterson and Miller and maybe Hobson and Cyrus. However his time on the field is starting to look like his signing was a mistake, based on the assumption that as the former Fylde captain he will be on good money
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You know just maybe knowing the board have finally clicked on and grown a pair coupled with GH giving a few rollockings might just put a rocket up the arses of a few of our players and get some results.
I expect that any one of us as fans can go into that dressing room and "give a few rollockings" and put "rockets up arses"............there are certainly some well known supporters on the Golf Rd who could do that......................but do you think that is the answer - a nasty word and we will inspire the players to start winning games ???
I am sure that NY and JH have tried that approach
It depends who is talking to you doesn't it though. Its not necessarily screaming and shouting, its putting someone in their place and making them see what they need to do. I'm pretty sure it wouldnt have taken the players long to realise NY was blagging it. When Fabio turned up and got a contract NY could have done all the shouting in the world and it wouldnt have made a difference. Same with Jim, a few of his more bizarre team selections and substitutions and players will think he's bonkers and just ignore his message.
Get someone in who does the basics, plays the best players we have in their best positions and get the team paying attention for 90 minutes. At the same time weed out any negative attitudes.
GH can get that done, the senior players know him and hopefully still have respect for him to work hard for him (its true I have no clue what the playing squads relationship with him was when he was sacked).
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For me you have to have a number of things in place
1. Have players that want to be there and are willing to give 100% . Technically they don't have to be world beaters
2. Get to know the payers personally and professionally and maximise thier potential
3. Sort the defence ( we haven't for a year now) and build from there
4. Celebrate progress and success
The tough talks can happen when and if required
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
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Hannigan off injured AGAIN!!
He was a hallmark signing by NY and I have to say one of the ones we have signed who are 'up to it' at this level, along with Patterson and Miller and maybe Hobson and Cyrus. However his time on the field is starting to look like his signing was a mistake, based on the assumption that as the former Fylde captain he will be on good money
Suprised at the time Fylde let him go, yet again undone by not having enough funds to have full medicals. Surely a player themselves knows if they are injured.
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I was speaking to Tom at half time earlier in the season and he was saying it was the longest he has ever been out injured for. Fylde offered him a decent contract to stay but go full time and apparently at his age it wasn't worth it to him. He wants to play football but carry on with his career outside football. He seemed like a nice lad so I hope he gets his fitness back and shows us what he can do.
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Get shut of Hannigan.
Okay, he may be a decent player (or so we have been led to believe anyway) but he's a liability. I've watched every game he's played in and he isn't as good as Marshall, Leather or Havern.
The defence is unsettled enough without having a player who may be able to play one week but not for the next 3.
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I'd be interested to know the length of Jim Harvey's contract and whether he is entitled to any compensation.
Or is the fact that he was dismissed exactly three months after he was appointed of particular significance?
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Get shut of Hannigan.
a player who may be able to play one week but not for the next 3.
I am swiftly coming to that point of view. We need to have some sort of positive continuity in the defence.
Sorry, sure he's a quality player on his day. But most days are spent on the sick list.
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
And Jake Moult after Heathcote turned down the chance to sign him after his trial here a few years back...
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
And Jake Moult after Heathcote turned down the chance to sign him after his trial here a few years back...
He looked really good in that one pre-season game at Abbey Hey around 2008/9.
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
And Jake Moult after Heathcote turned down the chance to sign him after his trial here a few years back...
He looked really good in that one pre-season game at Abbey Hey around 2008/9.
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm (http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm)
What a pity that we didn't keep António dos Santos, as he could have acted as an interpreter for Fabio Bassangue.
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
And Jake Moult after Heathcote turned down the chance to sign him after his trial here a few years back...
He looked really good in that one pre-season game at Abbey Hey around 2008/9.
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm (http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm)
What a pity that we didn't keep António dos Santos, as he could have acted as an interpreter for Fabio Bassangue.
5 first half goals for Chris Senior!
I must admit that I have no recollection of that.
Charlie Weir works for the FA now & was the guy who came down with the FA Cup at the game against BPA in October. when he met up with his management mentor, George Heslop.
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Only Denmore and Reeves will know Heath cote.
And Jake Moult after Heathcote turned down the chance to sign him after his trial here a few years back...
He looked really good in that one pre-season game at Abbey Hey around 2008/9.
http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm (http://www.altrinchamfc.co.uk/080712ay.htm)
What a pity that we didn't keep António dos Santos, as he could have acted as an interpreter for Fabio Bassangue.
5 first half goals for Chris Senior!
I must admit that I have no recollection of that.
Charlie Weir works for the FA now & was the guy who came down with the FA Cup at the game against BPA in October. when he met up with his management mentor, George Heslop.
where is Chris senior these days ?
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Get rid of Tom Hannigan? Really? Apart from the fact he is on a two year contact he is by several light years the best central defender on the books (I know this may be damning with faint praise). It is entirely possible he has just had bad luck this season - certainly his past record doesn't suggest injury proneness. But we have surely all seen the difference between when he plays and when he doesn't?