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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on December 01, 2016, 08:35:58 PM
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Alty 7/2
Draw 10/3
Tamworth 8/13
Jim said he was only likely to make one change for the Blyth game. Wonder if that will apply still on Saturday. Tamworth arrive on the back of a fantastic runnof league results, but were T**tted 0-4 on Tuesday at home to farsley with walshaw gettting a hatrick, that after salvaging a replay at farsley with a late goal on Saturday.
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I am hoping that the only change J.H. is contemplating for tomorrow is Deasy for Dawber - we could do with a keeper who is better on crosses, well as Dawber has shot-stopped in the last few games.
If we play for 95 minutes like we played at Alfreton for 85 minutes we have a chance of beating Tamworth. After a 5 match winning run (including beating Fylde & Darlington) Tamworth have gone 3 without a win, and they didn't field particularly weak teams against Farsley Celtic - they seem to have only rested a couple of players in each match. Even their last win was only 2-1 against 10-man Stalyvegas after being a goal down, so that was not a sign of great form either. For once we might be playing someone at the right time this season. Hope springs eternal!
Who do we think will take Obeng's placer on the bench, as the squad size declines rapidly? Seems likely to be L M-D unless Hobson is fit again (may be a bit early for that), or maybe Harry Cain?
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We're going to smash them 3-0
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Amongst many reasons why we desperately need a win against Tamworth is the fact that securing an overdue three-point haul would thereby avoid setting an unwanted new record.
During the 1992/93 GM Vauxhall Conference season, Alty failed to register their first home league victory of the season until as late as Saturday, 19th December 1992, when Welling United were defeated 2-0 courtesy of two goals from the late Charlie Bradshaw.
That constituted our 8th home league fixture of the season (however, Gerry Quinn's team had managed to win four FA Cup ties at Moss Lane by that point, including that celebrated 2-0 replay triumph over Chester City).
Saturday's fixture against Tamworth comprises our 10th attempt to win a home league game this season - and in a lower division, too (although we have contrived to record three home victories in the FA Cup).
Should we fail to overcome Tamworth tomorrow, we won't get another opportunity to win a home league game until Boxing Day.
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Can't make it today, I have a good feeling about getting a result today. Fingers crossed..
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Deasey
Richman
Hannigan
Moult
McWilliams
Lawrie
Goodall
Lennigan
Miller
Wilkinson
Reeves
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I'm bemused that he's picked Goodall at centre back (unless he's playing Moult there which would be equally odd) when we have two centre backs on the bench.
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I'm bemused that he's picked Goodall at centre back (unless he's playing Moult there which would be equally odd) when we have two centre backs on the bench.
I am equally confused by this!
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Makes no sense to me either.
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Is it time for us to bin off Jim Harvey? No matter how many players and formations we cycle through he appears singularly incapable of organising the team and winning football matches. I'm not sure who else is out there but there must be a younger man down the pyramid who would fancy a crack it. Or is it just managed decline now for the remainder of this relegation season?
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densmore till the end of the season for me
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Club needs putting up for sale, this is terminal. Battled hardened 30+ year fans staying away in their droves. Only somthing radical will arrest this. It's a pantomime, and it pains me to say that. 12 points adrift of this sh*t league is unacceptable
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Club needs putting up for sale, this is terminal. Battled hardened 30+ year fans staying away in their droves. Only somthing radical will arrest this. It's a pantomime, and it pains me to say that. 12 points adrift of this sh*t league is unacceptable
But still almost 800 home fans
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densmore till the end of the season for me
And me
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Clueless are the management team. Time for a change I believe.
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Club needs putting up for sale, this is terminal. Battled hardened 30+ year fans staying away in their droves. Only somthing radical will arrest this. It's a pantomime, and it pains me to say that. 12 points adrift of this sh*t league is unacceptable
But still almost 800 home fans
That includes season ticket holders. I'm not the only one staying away.
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Club needs putting up for sale, this is terminal. Battled hardened 30+ year fans staying away in their droves. Only somthing radical will arrest this. It's a pantomime, and it pains me to say that. 12 points adrift of this sh*t league is unacceptable
But still almost 800 home fans
That includes season ticket holders. I'm not the only one staying away.
didnt look like 800 plus but if theres 300 season ticket holders thats why
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It hurts me to admit I could not face it today
I spent time with my daughter instead
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I went to see Atherton Cols beat Penrith in the FA Vase. Terrific match, lots of passion and some pretty decent players too
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I played with a Brass Band in Ashton Market it was fun, and yes I am a season ticket holder, not going on Tuesday either, waste of my hard earned money.
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TAmworth having a laff
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What can you say?
Jim Harvey's record as Alty manager in his opening 10 league fixtures:
Won: 1.
Drawn: 0.
Lost: 9.
Goals scored: 8.
Goals conceded: 25.
Points gained: 3 out of a possible total of 30.
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What can you say?
Jim Harvey's record as Alty manager in his opening 10 league fixtures:
Won: 1.
Drawn: 0.
Lost: 9.
Goals scored: 8.
Goals conceded: 25.
Points gained: 3 out of a possible total of 30.
I can say 'holy feck'.
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What can you say?
Jim Harvey's record as Alty manager in his opening 10 league fixtures:
Won: 1.
Drawn: 0.
Lost: 9.
Goals scored: 8.
Goals conceded: 25.
Points gained: 3 out of a possible total of 30.
woeful
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I am going to start with an apology - I have not read anything anyone else has posted about this match, because I don't want to be influenced by what anyone else thinks before I write this, not because I am not interested or respectful of others' views. So if it is repetitive of other posts I apologise. I like to wait a bit before I post match comments so I can ponder and not just react emotionally, so here goes....
1.Really bad luck that Patterson and Cyrus were ill - I am sure they would have started instead of Goodall and Lenighan had they been fit, and I might not have been writing this. Nothing JH could have done about that.
2. Sod's law also meant that Curtis (who am I playing for this week?) Obeng had just left, but then JH did seem to harbour a delusion that he was a winger. So we had no cover at right back.
3. I could see the logic of playing Richman there (someone had to play there) but it did disrupt the central midfield (see below) which was a big factor at Alfreton. This was a tough one for JH and I can see why he did what he did, although I might have tried something different (see below).
4. There is absolutely no excuse for playing Goodall at centre half. Love Island Luc and Clayton McDonald were sitting on the bench, and Goodall is not a centre half, as he presumably demonstrated even to JH's satisfaction yesterday. He has clearly been a good player, but clearly NOT a centre half, and in my view age has caught up with him. He may be club captain but it is not compulsory to play the man. It is not a coincidence that we were 2-1 up at Alfreton when he came on and we lost 3-2. If he was going to play then right back would have been a better option IMO.
5. Had Goodall played right back then Richman could have played centre midfield, which would have been a big improvement. Apart from the fact that Richman was way out of position for the first goal (but then, unlike Goodall, he is not a full back) he would also have been much more effective than Lenighan. He has not yet completed a match for us and unless he improves his passing and positional discipline I am not sure he ever will.
6. It was clear pretty early on that Goodall was going to have a 'mare. Not only that, but by forcing Hannigan to play right central defence (we may have noticed he prefers left - remember Matlock when he played on the right?) this also made him much less secure, confident and effective, so he had by far his least impressive match in our colours. The difference in Hannigan when McDonald replaced Goodall (about an hour too late) was very evident.
7. The tackling and defensive positioning for the two goals was atrocious. Briscoe is not Lionel Messi, he is a player who struggles to get a regular start for Tamworth, but we made him look like a world beater in the first half.
8. Wilkinson was clearly injured, but just because Hobson was the choice as sub doesn't mean we have to lump the ball in the air up to him all the time, particularly as Belshaw was having a great game and dominating his area. Like most of NY's acquisitions Hobson is a limited player, and the change of formation really didn't work at all.
9. Also Marsh is not a winger / wide midfielder nor is Lawrie a central midfielder, so quite what that substitution was supposed to achieve also lost me a bit, although I know the squad is now paper thin.
10. If Tamworth had not literally missed 4 or 5 absolute sitters we would have suffered a defeat which would have reflected the true awfulness of our performance in this match, on the scale of the AFC Fylde debacle.
What we do now very much depends on the basis on which JH was appointed, which may require the club to be honest with us in this respect. If the enormity of the damage wrought by Young's reign had been recognised by the Board, and JH was told "this will take years to sort out, we know we are going down, please hold the fort while the inevitable happens and you/we can try and sort out the mess next summer" I can actually see that, but we need to know, because if JH is seriously trying to keep us up we need some serious and urgent re-thinking. because it ain't happening.
We have now lost 7 matches on the trot, and under JH 10 league matches out of 11. Over that period we have played much better away than at home (actually I mean less badly, but the point is valid). Our home performances have varied from insipid and uninspired to catastrophic (Bradford second half) and if I did not go to away games (and did not recognise the importance of supporting the team when they are deep in the proverbial) I would probably have voted with my feet by now, as I am sure many people have and will.
So the Board knows on what basis JH was appointed, and in my view should act in a manner appropriate to that, and tell us what the score is. They have eyes to see what is happening as we all have. If change is required it is required urgently, and if not we need to know precisely why not.
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I think it's safe to say we will be playing evostick league football next season. We need 40 points from 69 available. That just to hope 47 keeps you up, the average needed historically in this league is 45. That's 14 wins from 23 games. We've currently won 14 of our last 79 games. It goes one of two ways, throw everything we've got at in January be that mean paying transfer fees or whatever else is required. Or we call it a draw and run on a shoestring budget saving anything we have to try and put a team together capable of winning the evostick league. We need strong honest and Frank leadership here. We cannot just plod along hoping it doesn't happen, that approach last year is the reason we are in this mess. Everything will shrink next year, sponsorship, crowds, profile. we can't be charging people more than ten quid to watch evostick league football for starters, we are over priced as it is. We are close to a massive crossroads here.
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I think it's safe to say we will be playing evostick league football next season. We need 40 points from 69 available. That just to hope 47 keeps you up, the average needed historically in this league is 45. That's 14 wins from 23 games. We've currently won 14 of our last 79 games. It goes one of two ways, throw everything we've got at in January be that mean paying transfer fees or whatever else is required. Or we call it a draw and run on a shoestring budget saving anything we have to try and put a team together capable of winning the evostick league. We need strong honest and Frank leadership here. We cannot just plod along hoping it doesn't happen, that approach last year is the reason we are in this mess. Everything will shrink next year, sponsorship, crowds, profile. we can't be charging people more than ten quid to watch evostick league football for starters, we are over priced as it is. We are close to a massive crossroads here.
There is no doubt in my mind now that we are down. Coming back up won't be easy and on that basis I believe we should be planning NOW for a stay of two years at least years. The only point I disagree with is the cost to watch next season. Away fans will be a rarity so why not just ask Alty fans what they'd pay and use that info as one piece of info about pricing. A tenner won't leave much for a proper push to my view.
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I think it's safe to say we will be playing evostick league football next season. We need 40 points from 69 available. That just to hope 47 keeps you up, the average needed historically in this league is 45. That's 14 wins from 23 games. We've currently won 14 of our last 79 games. It goes one of two ways, throw everything we've got at in January be that mean paying transfer fees or whatever else is required. Or we call it a draw and run on a shoestring budget saving anything we have to try and put a team together capable of winning the evostick league. We need strong honest and Frank leadership here. We cannot just plod along hoping it doesn't happen, that approach last year is the reason we are in this mess. Everything will shrink next year, sponsorship, crowds, profile. we can't be charging people more than ten quid to watch evostick league football for starters, we are over priced as it is. We are close to a massive crossroads here.
There is no doubt in my mind now that we are down. Coming back up won't be easy and on that basis I believe we should be planning NOW for a stay of two years at least years. The only point I disagree with is the cost to watch next season. Away fans will be a rarity so why not just ask Alty fans what they'd pay and use that info as one piece of info about pricing. A tenner won't leave much for a proper push to my view.
Anything north of a tenner for Barwell, Coalville and Mickleover Sports et al will be a very hard sell. Especially with our embarrassing recent home record. I'm glad I'm 170 miles away from this total shambles. Like many long term supporters I am beginning to lose interest.
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We will piss that tinpot leauge...
We really should be beating teams like this ...
On a serious note if relegated those teams will be so up for beating us it will be unreal
Let's beat the once big name in non leauge it will not be pretty or easy
We need fighters
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Anything north of a tenner for Barwell, Coalville and Mickleover Sports et al will be a very hard sell. Especially with our embarrassing recent home record. I'm glad I'm 170 miles away from this total shambles. Like many long term supporters I am beginning to lose interest.
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You weren't at Waterloo station this morning were you? My daughter spotted an Alty scarf there about 11:30.
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I hate to say it but I don't expect us to survive in this league so Evo stick here we come.
What really sticks in my throat is just a year ago people in control chose to ignore the warning signs that we were struggling in the National league and consequently did sweet FA to act on the teams demise, Nobody that is except most the people who post on this forum.
The Boards answer was, " we let the manager run the team as he sees fit"
well let me tell you board members, you fkn should have gripped the situation and made sure we didn't get relegated. We were in a lot better state player wise then, than we are now.
f**k all idea, f**k all ambition, and soon to be barely f**k all fans.
There is soon to be a pantomime in the CSH, let me tell you we have had lots of those regularly on a Saturday this year already.
Oh Yes we have !!!!
Happy bastard Christmas
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same. sh*t. every. week. I've lost faith in Harvey, where is the improvement?? you can say 'he inherited this mess' all you like but why have we not improved one bit? I really would like to know what he works on in training because it's clearly not working
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The board are passive, they just aren't up to the job. I don't doubt their intentions but they aren't go getters or winners. It seems they have a bit of closed circle where they are reluctant for a certain type of character coming in for fear it may rock the boat. I understand that G Rowley was instrumental in the setting up of the community hall and fair play for that, but what for example does Andrew Shaw actually contribute?
We need change at the top, a total change of mentality or this club will be playing in front of 150 fans.
Another season ticket holder that couldn't go yesterday and can't face Tuesday.
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I note that Danny Hattersley scored a hatrick for Warrington Town yesterday. Maybe it's just us.
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As previous Rowley is Teflon! He hides, not accountable and has no balls. If I ran my business like this I would go bust. Sorry the book stops with Rowley. It just makes me cry