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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Mrs Warbouys on October 25, 2016, 09:46:09 PM
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Get the club up for sale, this has gone on long enough. 800 here again, not acceptable.And everyone knows it.
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Were now around the point of no return now.
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Don't stop believing played at the end.
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With this team we are going down.
There ares no names safe now, so its goodbye to the vast majority of this squad and welcome to a new squad who may MAY just keep us up. Yes, I am saying stick the lot on red down the casino.
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My heart goes out to everyone that pays good money week after week. I'd be doing the same if I was able to.
You can't blame the manager. This runs deeper, there's wholesale changes needed on and off the pitch.
Frickley beckons!
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I didn't expect us to lose tonight alty fan since 88
Lowest point
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We need to hear a hell of a lot more from JH and the club than we did after Saturday. What is the plan now? These players clearly aren't good enough and the manager is seemingly incapable of making them better.
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You can't blame the manager.
Exactly this.
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With this team we are going down.
There ares no names safe now, so its goodbye to the vast majority of this squad and welcome to a new squad who may MAY just keep us up. Yes, I am saying stick the lot on red down the casino.
What we really need, is for players to walk away tonight and never come back.
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You can't blame the manager.
Exactly this.
Really? He's had seven weeks and had no discernible impact whatsoever.
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He inherited utter sh*te. The same players are still utter sh*te. Give him a magic wand, since that's what he needs. The club has been run dreadfully from top to bottom for a while and the very last person to blame is Jim Harvey.
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I don't understand the managers subs at all, he didn't use all three I would have dragged 5 off if I could!
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You can't blame the manager.
Exactly this.
Really? He's had seven weeks and had no discernible impact whatsoever.
He's managed to get 4 wins out of this mess of a squad which is some achievement in my opinion.
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
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You can't blame the manager.
Exactly this.
Really? He's had seven weeks and had no discernible impact whatsoever.
Give the bloke a chance!! He inherited a squad of utter sh*te and like GolfRoader says he's done amazingly well to win any games!! I'm already resigned to going down but I fully believe that Jim Harvey is the man to rebuild us and bring us back stronger.
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You can't blame the manager.
Exactly this.
Really? He's had seven weeks and had no discernible impact whatsoever.
Give the bloke a chance!! He inherited a squad of utter sh*te and like GolfRoader says he's done amazingly well to win any games!! I'm already resigned to going down but I fully believe that Jim Harvey is the man to rebuild us and bring us back stronger.
Snap. If he is willing to stay on.
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Sods law we will knock Lincoln out of the cup.
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Lincoln could play their youth team and beat us.
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Sods law we will knock Lincoln out of the cup.
No we wont
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On hols so didnt see it but the moment i saw a moult and goodall pairing in the middle i feared the worst. Both hopelessly out of form and chronic lack of pace. But judging by bench, very few options. Im really surprised cain hasnt been given a chance though tonight. Something different out wide. Maybe he hasnt impressed enough at training but hes our best young prospect since watmore and he hasnt been given a go. Not quite sure how bad it has to get to let him try and ignite something. I dont blame Jim but please no more post match interviews which tell us there are no positives to take out of the game and that we are not good enough. We can tell u that Jim! We were totally outplayed by matlock in the first half too, and were terrible in first half at stalybridge so we never were much improved we just stopped shipping goals for a fortnight. So these defeats are not a shock sadly. Its a horrible combination of existing players on the decline and new signings not good enough mixed in with a terrible run of injuries. Only 4 starters tonight were signings by last manager which shows how dreadful his recruitment was. goodall has been v poor and i think he needs to be let go sadly. Still hope for patterson and cyrus. Miller looks v average too but at least he makes goals from nothing so he has to stay.
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Happy if we did but there is no escaping the fact that we are a proper fecking shambles.
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We won't be Lincoln
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Shambolic....Cyrus needs to f*ck off he's utter rubbish! Guy doesn't no how to do the basics! Cain needs to play totally lack any width at all far too narrow! A squad which lacks talent in every area.
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
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Hearing tonight the Watmore money is here and ready to be invested. Might be Jim
Harvey's toughest gig yet, but for me we need a new midfield. Starting with a Scouse steakhead, we've never been the most vocal of sides in recent years,but there just no talking and no heart. We are on life support and it will take major surgery just to keep us in this league. And for all the times I keep getting slapped down. Nows the time to fully open the doors and ask the "community" for something back. We need local investment from those that have embraced the club. I don't drive a Bentley 4x4, but plenty of those having their offspring looked after for a 1/4 of the price they would elsewhere do.Get them on board, stop being to proud. Shout loud for help in the press, we're bottom of the conference north
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How much cash does that mean Oi?
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
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Hearing tonight the Watmore money is here and ready to be invested. Might be Jim
Harvey's toughest gig yet, but for me we need a new midfield. Starting with a Scouse steakhead, we've never been the most vocal of sides in recent years,but there just no talking and no heart. We are on life support and it will take major surgery just to keep us in this league. And for all the times I keep getting slapped down. Nows the time to fully open the doors and ask the "community" for something back. We need local investment from those that have embraced the club. I don't drive a Bentley 4x4, but plenty of those having their offspring looked after for a 1/4 of the price they would elsewhere do.Get them on board, stop being to proud. Shout loud for help in the press, we're bottom of the conference north
why is the Watmore money only ready to be invested now, it was over a month ago that we were all wanking over triggering the payment
And whats happened to all these players Harvey had lined up if you listen to his first interview?
The whole think is bollocks, and shame on you for falling for it again
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Obviously that was poor from 1-11, but a few things that are so obvious and easy to change are happening time and again. Why are we playing out from the back with John Cyrus? The lad is a stopper, plain and simple and his job should be just that, not trying to pick passes that are lazy lazy arsed midfielders don't do because they are hiding. We were also second to every loose ball all evening. That comes down to work rate and desire. When you're in a dogfight you need to scrap , some of our lot won't and need to be moved on sharpish.
Watching alty is painful at the moment, we somehow need to get some heart and feeling for the club in the starting lineup.
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
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I've got to agree we're in dire straits but I've no idea where you expect the better players to materialise from. It will be a miracle if we can get enough good players to make a difference this season.
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Sack the board
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I hope harvey is here for many years to come. no-one could turn this lot round this quick, players are already with clubs & if they are any good they are getting games. no-one is going to want to come here at the moment unless it is for silly wages. Get Hannigan fit and on the pitch and get some confidence at the back, give Cyrus a rest(!) and see what we can do in building from there. It will take time to drag us up from this far down.
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In a guff season, so far the only decision taken with any long term strategy in mind is that of appointing JH.
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Lincoln could play their youth team and beat us.
Lincoln could play their Ladies Team and still beat us. >:( >:( >:(
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In a guff season, so far the only decision taken with any long term strategy in mind is that of appointing JH.
Whats the long term strategy?
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
Change the manager that'll sort it.
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No change the people running the club, of course that won't sort it now, to late should have listened 6 months ago - we f**ked now, Northwich but without the money
See you at the walking football
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No change the people running the club, of course that won't sort it now, to late should have listened 6 months ago - we f**ked now, Northwich but without the money
See you at the walking football
Difference is we won't go under and lose our ground unlike northwich. I agree something needs to be done but that is up to the manager to change. Off the pitch the club has been run well, I don't think many would disagree with that but mistakes have been made when it comes to the playing side of things.
Having said that I think the board have got it right this time with appointing Harvey so I won't be blaming them if he's given some funds and plenty of time but still fails.
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Hi, long time lurker first time poster and at this time please excuse my grammar.
I watched the great Alty as youngster in the early 80's I I'm not even going to compare that team of legends to today!
I went off and played sport and have come back for a number of years, so I can't claim knowledge of some of those on the forum; however I've watched regularly for the last 10 years or so and I' m sorry to say this this is the worst effort I've ever seen, possibly the the worst team too.
I actually believe potentially todays players are better than some of the teams we've had in the recent past however the effort or belief in the shirt can't compare to to the likes of Lawton or even Peyton plus many others you all have seen!
Jake Moult is a shadow of the the player in promotion season or even the first season of National league, as is Simon Richman.
I like Jimmy Lawrie he scored a great goal today however please dont expect him to be a winger or midfield general Sean Miller who also scored a great goal should perhaps be after one place
What worries me more is the fact our two centre haves John Cyrus can't play a channel ball like every other defender in this league can and Danny Hall got beaten in exactly the same way as Saturday for a goal again!
Not sure why Reevsey was subbed today and Jim's substitutions did leave me perplexed on Saturday.... In Jim we trust However will he still be here to pick up the pieces next year too when we're expected to watch level 7 football?
perhaps the board have an answer for us?
Over a third over the season now gone we have one win and no home win, we've let two teams get their first away win and win in our last two home games.. under those circumstances I'm really worried we are heading to Level 7 and currently can;t see anything to stop this slide?
Really hope I'm wrong and but honestly can't see any answer in our current squad?
Apologies for the negative first post but as a long time supporter I was really disappointed tonight, however I will try and cheer on positive play moving forwards!
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Hi, long time lurker first time poster and at this time please excuse my grammar.
I watched the great Alty as youngster in the early 80's I I'm not even going to compare that team of legends to today!
I went off and played sport and have come back for a number of years, so I can't claim knowledge of some of those on the forum; however I've watched regularly for the last 10 years or so and I' m sorry to say this this is the worst effort I've ever seen, possibly the the worst team too.
I actually believe potentially todays players are better than some of the teams we've had in the recent past however the effort or belief in the shirt can't compare to to the likes of Lawton or even Peyton plus many others you all have seen!
Jake Moult is a shadow of the the player in promotion season or even the first season of National league, as is Simon Richman.
I like Jimmy Lawrie he scored a great goal today however please dont expect him to be a winger or midfield general Sean Miller who also scored a great goal should perhaps be after one place
What worries me more is the fact our two centre haves John Cyrus can't play a channel ball like every other defender in this league can and Danny Hall got beaten in exactly the same way as Saturday for a goal again!
Not sure why Reevsey was subbed today and Jim's substitutions did leave me perplexed on Saturday.... In Jim we trust However will he still be here to pick up the pieces next year too when we're expected to watch level 7 football?
perhaps the board have an answer for us?
Over a third over the season now gone we have one win and no home win, we've let two teams get their first away win and win in our last two home games.. under those circumstances I'm really worried we are heading to Level 7 and currently can;t see anything to stop this slide?
Really hope I'm wrong and but honestly can't see any answer in our current squad?
Apologies for the negative first post but as a long time supporter I was really disappointed tonight, however I will try and cheer on positive play moving forwards!
great first post welcome
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
The reason I asked is I can't think I'm my head of the last manger you rated . You seem to be struggling your self as well.
I do however worry Jim will walk as well BTW. On that we agree
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Our managerial post will become toxic if Jim goes. He simply HAS to be given time to try and sort this out. There isn't anybody out there who could do any better.
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I hope harvey is here for many years to come. no-one could turn this lot round this quick, players are already with clubs & if they are any good they are getting games. no-one is going to want to come here at the moment unless it is for silly wages. Get Hannigan fit and on the pitch and get some confidence at the back, give Cyrus a rest(!) and see what we can do in building from there. It will take time to drag us up from this far down.
Good post,totally agree.
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I hope harvey is here for many years to come. no-one could turn this lot round this quick, players are already with clubs & if they are any good they are getting games. no-one is going to want to come here at the moment unless it is for silly wages. Get Hannigan fit and on the pitch and get some confidence at the back, give Cyrus a rest(!) and see what we can do in building from there. It will take time to drag us up from this far down.
Good post,totally agree.
spot on . Even if he takes us down let him rebuild this once proud club with every penny we have
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
Sausages, these were your words on the 5th September:
"Jim Harvey sounds a decent appointment, and good luck to him
But this club is only heading in one direction whilst the current chairman is in post. The NLP comments will never be forgiven or forgotten and nor should they, the good name of this club and its supporters has been forever tarnished"
So, essentially now you're saying that you were in fact wrong, he's not a decent appointment, and you're also wrong because you said the club was heading in one direction due to the chairman. Now you're saying the club should have been back on the up by now because of the manager, who it turns out is sh*t???
Come on lad, stop patronising people by expecting them to believe that anything you say is purely about the club we all support and not about you trying to address your own personal agenda, for which you will never actually be particularly clear about other than wanting the chairman to resign.
For what its worth I think you were right in September, the club is on the slide big time and Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't get a tune out of our squad at the moment because they simply have no belief whatsoever. The playing staff are rotten to the core. There's something wrong at the club and many of us have no real idea of how or when things can turn.
Not a chance we fix anything by getting rid of Jim Harvey. We need to stop being sentimental about players that were good for us 2 seasons ago. The entire squad with the exception of Reeves and Densmore is open to being replaced. The club needs to do something bold now and they most definitely need to put every non-footballing matter on the back burner until things turn.
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
Sausages, these were your words on the 5th September:
"Jim Harvey sounds a decent appointment, and good luck to him
But this club is only heading in one direction whilst the current chairman is in post. The NLP comments will never be forgiven or forgotten and nor should they, the good name of this club and its supporters has been forever tarnished"
So, essentially now you're saying that you were in fact wrong, he's not a decent appointment, and you're also wrong because you said the club was heading in one direction due to the chairman. Now you're saying the club should have been back on the up by now because of the manager, who it turns out is sh*t???
Come on lad, stop patronising people by expecting them to believe that anything you say is purely about the club we all support and not about you trying to address your own personal agenda, for which you will never actually be particularly clear about other than wanting the chairman to resign.
For what its worth I think you were right in September, the club is on the slide big time and Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't get a tune out of our squad at the moment because they simply have no belief whatsoever. The playing staff are rotten to the core. There's something wrong at the club and many of us have no real idea of how or when things can turn.
Not a chance we fix anything by getting rid of Jim Harvey. We need to stop being sentimental about players that were good for us 2 seasons ago. The entire squad with the exception of Reeves and Densmore is open to being replaced. The club needs to do something bold now and they most definitely need to put every non-footballing matter on the back burner until things turn.
Good post apart from Reeves and Densmore are also in the firing line for me. Granted Reeves hasn't had much service but Reeves has been as poor as the rest this season. I am not sure we will ever see Dens play again.
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
Sausages, these were your words on the 5th September:
"Jim Harvey sounds a decent appointment, and good luck to him
But this club is only heading in one direction whilst the current chairman is in post. The NLP comments will never be forgiven or forgotten and nor should they, the good name of this club and its supporters has been forever tarnished"
So, essentially now you're saying that you were in fact wrong, he's not a decent appointment, and you're also wrong because you said the club was heading in one direction due to the chairman. Now you're saying the club should have been back on the up by now because of the manager, who it turns out is sh*t???
Come on lad, stop patronising people by expecting them to believe that anything you say is purely about the club we all support and not about you trying to address your own personal agenda, for which you will never actually be particularly clear about other than wanting the chairman to resign.
For what its worth I think you were right in September, the club is on the slide big time and Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't get a tune out of our squad at the moment because they simply have no belief whatsoever. The playing staff are rotten to the core. There's something wrong at the club and many of us have no real idea of how or when things can turn.
Not a chance we fix anything by getting rid of Jim Harvey. We need to stop being sentimental about players that were good for us 2 seasons ago. The entire squad with the exception of Reeves and Densmore is open to being replaced. The club needs to do something bold now and they most definitely need to put every non-footballing matter on the back burner until things turn.
Harvey did seem a decent appointment back on the 5th September, but yes looks like I was wrong he has no clue what to do he is taking us backwards not forwards if thats possible, who would of thought it
My comments on the 5th September about only heading in one direction under the current chairman surely still ring true now? I would say it's clearer than ever?
Stop burying your head in the sand with all this nonsense of hiden agenda's, you won't find many that dont agree with me (other than here on this forum) in reality. Wake up a smell the coffee, you yourself say theres something wrong at the club.
The buck stops at the chairman and his board, they have 100% responsibility, they run the club and are running it into the ground
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JH is clearly not the main culprit but his first basic task with this team (which is mixture of disheartened and substandard players, I agree) was to get them organised, committed and hard to beat. I think we should be seeing signs of that by now but we are not.
Harvey absolute crap, get him out now - worse than Young, we actually going backwards under this idiot
Panic appointment by a desperate board
ha ha. Who was the last manager you actually rated ? I didn't think anyone could cheer me up tonight you did thanks
So whats the answer Wayno? I tell you now Harvey won't be here by Christmas, from what I'm hearing maybe not the end of the week
I don't appoint the managers and I most certainly don't have to rate them - this board has a proven track record of appointing sh*t managers
Sausages, these were your words on the 5th September:
"Jim Harvey sounds a decent appointment, and good luck to him
But this club is only heading in one direction whilst the current chairman is in post. The NLP comments will never be forgiven or forgotten and nor should they, the good name of this club and its supporters has been forever tarnished"
So, essentially now you're saying that you were in fact wrong, he's not a decent appointment, and you're also wrong because you said the club was heading in one direction due to the chairman. Now you're saying the club should have been back on the up by now because of the manager, who it turns out is sh*t???
Come on lad, stop patronising people by expecting them to believe that anything you say is purely about the club we all support and not about you trying to address your own personal agenda, for which you will never actually be particularly clear about other than wanting the chairman to resign.
For what its worth I think you were right in September, the club is on the slide big time and Sir Alex Ferguson couldn't get a tune out of our squad at the moment because they simply have no belief whatsoever. The playing staff are rotten to the core. There's something wrong at the club and many of us have no real idea of how or when things can turn.
Not a chance we fix anything by getting rid of Jim Harvey. We need to stop being sentimental about players that were good for us 2 seasons ago. The entire squad with the exception of Reeves and Densmore is open to being replaced. The club needs to do something bold now and they most definitely need to put every non-footballing matter on the back burner until things turn.
Harvey did seem a decent appointment back on the 5th September, but yes looks like I was wrong he has no clue what to do he is taking us backwards not forwards if thats possible, who would of thought it
My comments on the 5th September about only heading in one direction under the current chairman surely still ring true now? I would say it's clearer than ever?
Stop burying your head in the sand with all this nonsense of hiden agenda's, you won't find many that dont agree with me (other than here on this forum) in reality. Wake up a smell the coffee, you yourself say theres something wrong at the club.
The buck stops at the chairman and his board, they have 100% responsibility for this mess
Im wide awake, its not coffee i can smell, its poo because we are right in it.
No heads are buried in the sand, the club needs to sort things out. I think you'll find most people think we need a shift in attitude and priority, but not a new board or chairman. What I will say is that they have a choice, come out fighting and be prepared to accept the mess and improve it or step aside for someone else to have a go. To me thats different to wanting them pure and simple to go.
Glad you came on and gave a balanced response instead of letting this descend into more goading and arguing. I think you need to give Jim Harvey more time to do his job and prove that was a decent appointment. I very much doubt we'll see any improvement in the next couple of league games, it will take months because we basically need a whole new squad from what he inherited and so far we have three players (who must be wondering what all the fuss about Altrincham FC is).