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Title: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on September 23, 2016, 07:04:47 PM
---------------------Deasy
Patterson---Cyrus---Hannigan---Doherty
----------------------Goodall
Miller---------------Moult-------Lawrie
---------------Reeves---Hobson
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: distancetraveller on September 23, 2016, 07:41:05 PM
I would play Moult in front he back four, and play Wilkinson in his place, save Goodall for later in the game.

Hoping to see the decent form continue from last week,

3-1 Alty in front of a four figure crowd 1084

Hoping to make the Q&A after as long as it doesn't start too late
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Teasierbeaver on September 23, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
Do we have any team news on if Hannigan et al are now available? I'm not stirring I just wondered if anyone knew?
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on September 23, 2016, 08:19:13 PM
Do we have any team news on if Hannigan et al are now available? I'm not stirring I just wondered if anyone knew?

There was an interview with Jim Hatvey on the website the other day in which he hoped we'd see some returning faces. I think deasy was mentioned, and Hannigan if not available for this week, will be for the week after.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: brinners on September 23, 2016, 08:23:33 PM
I'd prefer Wilkinson for Goodall. It'd probably end up 5-5 or something.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: wayno on September 23, 2016, 08:47:26 PM
Off to Wales this weekend.. good luck lads .. play like you did Saturday and it's 3 points
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Ashley Alty on September 23, 2016, 08:51:13 PM
So,  how long does international clearance take?
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Paul Cain's Chip Pan on September 23, 2016, 09:35:39 PM
So,  how long does international clearance take?

I don't know the ins and outs of the process involved, but I think it depends to a large extent on the clubs involved and how proactive their staff are. Hopefully we'll se our new signing in action sooner rather than later.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Ashley Alty on September 23, 2016, 10:25:01 PM
Thank you.  Are we still waiting on Callum Charlton's international clearance, which, to me at least, seems to have been taking around 2 months?  Sorry to be anuisance,  I just find it strange.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: bighairedmike on September 23, 2016, 11:08:53 PM
Thank you.  Are we still waiting on Callum Charlton's international clearance, which, to me at least, seems to have been taking around 2 months?  Sorry to be anuisance,  I just find it strange.  Thanks.

I know it may seem like a different country, but he only came from Yorkshire.

He was never registered with us.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Ashley Alty on September 24, 2016, 08:44:08 AM
Lol, did I get the wrong one?  There have been so many "incomes" I lost track!  There was one waiting for months for international clearance?  Wasn't there?
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Teasierbeaver on September 24, 2016, 05:08:11 PM
Are we just poo or were we unlucky today?
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Timperley The Best on September 24, 2016, 05:14:24 PM
Probably deserved a draw
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: brinners on September 24, 2016, 05:25:18 PM
Once Miller went off scoring became unlikely. Greg Wilkinson must be wondering what the f**k has happened to us since he was left here. No, we didn't deserve a draw.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: AFC56 on September 24, 2016, 05:38:25 PM
I think we deserved at least a draw. Created a hat full of chances and on another day would have scored 6. Problem is that Reeves has lost some pace and Hobson (even though he had his best game for the club) isn't up to the required standard. Wilkinson is a good technical player and utilised the ball well but we looked a touch lightweight at times in the middle. Let's hope Phil Marsh can rediscover his scoring exploits of a few years back. At least today we looked like a half decent team, with a good shape and able to create some openings. Compared to where we were a few weeks back under Young it's much improved.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Chris Fisher on September 24, 2016, 05:51:17 PM
On another day Reeves could have had a couple in the first half, I think there were positives today although taking Miller off was a strange decision, when Hannigan returns Goodall can push up into the middle to give us a bit of bite and an experienced head, Moult needs to be rested as at times today he looked lost. Encouraging from Wilkinson he is willing to have a pop. However As all Alty fans know Lawrie is much more effective playing central hopefully the manager can figure out a way to accommodate this.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: brinners on September 24, 2016, 06:11:20 PM
We could have played all night and not scored. If that's deserving of a draw, then fair enough.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on September 24, 2016, 06:45:44 PM
0 - 0 is a draw! We had loads of chances. Damien had a couple he ought to have scored and others he would have scored three or four years ago. There were plenty of attempts on goal and I'm sure we had the majority of possession. They hit a post and talk their best chance well.

I felt a bit more confident about our goalie today. With game time and some more communication with his defence I think he'll be OK.

We just need to find the back of the net.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Bangor on Dee Robin on September 24, 2016, 07:23:01 PM
Great effort today and a win was always a possibility. Take the positives that with a fare bounce of the ball and if the opposition had keeper had not been excellent we would have won. Was impressed with Boston too. Onwards and definitely upwards.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: taxi Phil on September 24, 2016, 07:27:00 PM
0 - 0 is a draw! We had loads of chances. Damien had a couple he ought to have scored and others he would have scored three or four years ago. There were plenty of attempts on goal and I'm sure we had the majority of possession. They hit a post and talk their best chance well.

I felt a bit more confident about our goalie today. With game time and some more communication with his defence I think he'll be OK.

We just need to find the back of the net.

0-0 is indeed a draw. To achieve that scoreline, we need our defence not to open up like the Red Sea and leave Dawber (who was blameless) horribly exposed. Their keeper was outstanding, but our finishing was not of the required standard. Therefore 0-1 is not a draw.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: GB Alty on September 24, 2016, 07:35:16 PM
Great effort today and a win was always a possibility. Take the positives that with a fare bounce of the ball and if the opposition had keeper had not been excellent we would have won. Was impressed with Boston too. Onwards and definitely upwards.
Is losing at home to moderate opposition really a great effort?

Onwards and definitely upwards?

We have a long way to go if we're measuring our progress on how many goals we lose by
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: brinners on September 24, 2016, 07:45:49 PM
I think it's time for Jim to ruffle a few feathers. A few of our more senior players are a bit too comfortable for my liking. Our defence is fragile. Our midfield is too soft. Our forwards are toothless.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Bangor on Dee Robin on September 24, 2016, 07:47:16 PM
It was positive effort and in my humble opinion Mr Sausages we played well in parts and could have won, but I guess for those who are a "love to moan type of guy" and take pleasure when we fail those opinions will always head south. Com'on Alty  ;)
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Teasierbeaver on September 24, 2016, 08:03:42 PM
Great effort today and a win was always a possibility. Take the positives that with a fare bounce of the ball and if the opposition had keeper had not been excellent we would have won. Was impressed with Boston too. Onwards and definitely upwards.
Is losing at home to moderate opposition really a great effort?

Onwards and definitely upwards?

We have a long way to go if we're measuring our progress on how many goals we lose by

Yep, that's why I asked. Was really hoping to hear that we were all over them and should have smashed them.

I can take us conceding goals but we have the players to score goals so to hear that being edged by this mediocre sh*t wasn't too bad is not great!

Hopefully though we are slowly getting to be a good side. If we aren't in the drop zone after Boxing Day I'll accept we've progressed but it's really hard to accept that!
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Trouty on September 24, 2016, 09:16:52 PM
We could quite easily have won by 2 or 3 goals but didn't having failed to convert any of the many chances created today.

Lawrie had another bad game and fail to see what he brings to the team.

Not sure why Miller was taken off unless he was injured.

Glad to see Wilkinson back as he can pick a pass and knows how to shoot, deserved man of the match today.

A lot more positives than negatives from todays game but need to start turning this into 3 points
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on September 24, 2016, 09:19:30 PM
We were allover them. The play was at least 60-40.

We had ay least five times as many chances as Boston but couldn't do anything with them.

By usual standards I thought the ref was excellent today.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: cheshire cat on September 24, 2016, 09:22:13 PM
I'm not Lawries biggest fan but thought he was OK today. No worse than anyone else. Sometimes he really is awful but today I thought he did OK.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: York Alty is back on September 24, 2016, 09:42:12 PM
I went to the Harrogate game and todays. Despite losing today we were much improved with more shape and balance.

My brother said all game that there was a goal in the game, it could have been for us as easily as them.
Play like that V Celtic and BPA and we'll get at least four points. At least.

Onwards to Morpeth first.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on September 25, 2016, 11:19:10 AM
Bitterly disappointed not to at least get a point from yesterday. Much the better footballing team, just couldn't convert any of numerous chances.

Thought they were your typical team in this lead, basically rubbish with 2 big men up front.

Miller had a good game, although needs better decision making, and I'd like to see him and Cain on at the same time.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on September 25, 2016, 03:12:44 PM
Bitterly disappointed not to at least get a point from yesterday. Much the better footballing team, just couldn't convert any of numerous chances.

Thought they were your typical team in this lead, basically rubbish with 2 big men up front.

Miller had a good game, although needs better decision making, and I'd like to see him and Cain on at the same time.



I'd be inclined to give Boston a trifle more credit.

Their pace troubled us down both flanks; their goalkeeper looked very solid and in Marshall and Agnew I thought that they had two capable midfielders who supported their forwards well (Agnew squandered the best chance of the first half when he chipped wide with only Dawber to beat).

I regard Sean Miller as being one of the few positives from Neil Young's legacy but things just didn't seem to come off for him yesterday.

I have to say that I thought that Damian Reeves looked ponderous and also lacked speed of thought yesterday, particularly when failing to get on the end of a couple of decent crosses that were delivered into the box. An afternoon to forget for him.

Not impressed in the slightest by Hobson.

   
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: robininstockport on September 25, 2016, 04:10:34 PM
Their 4 was decent I grant you.

As for Hobson bang average.

Hattersley I assume will be on his as Heathcote came on and played up front.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: roytonmike on September 25, 2016, 04:13:54 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Cult. Boston created a number of chances, quite a few of them clearer than ours; we only made their keeper really work twice (both Wilkinson shots) though he was perfectly competent in everything else he did; and crucially they deposited the ball in the onion bag once & we didn't. I do think his criticism of Reeves is a little harsh - crosses a yard or so beyond the oncoming striker's reach were happening too often for the fault to lie purely with the striker - but am largely in agreement re Hobson.
The crucial points to me are (a) Cyrus desperately needs a 'boss' beside him in defence - by which I mean a relatively experienced, physically dominant central defender rather than an experienced 'old pro'; in other words a fit Hannigan rather than Goodall. We may have to wait a while for that, certainly in terms of match fitness even if his physical fitness is judged sufficient in a week or so, and we're not going to find a loanee of sufficient standard in the short term. (b) Our midfield is lightweight; yesterday we had three 'luxury players' in the sense that Wilkinson, Lawrie & Miller between them aren't going to win the ball for you - Wilkinson showed how well he can pass the ball but he really needs someone to win it for him. The absence of Richman was very keenly felt; some might say that he has limitations, but the fact is that he provides energy & a willingness to challenge for the ball. When he went off v Gainsborough we wilted visibly & for me at least a fit Richman would get the vote ahead of either Lawrie (for whom the word 'mercurial' might have been invented) or Miller. I was impressed by Cain - he stays out wide where Miller tends to come inside too often, & is prepared to have a go at the defence.
There were spells when we looked quite good (if still a bit laboured) & it's much better than it was, but don't let's kid ourselves - at the moment we go into games on the back foot, whatever the opposition, & Saturday isn't going to be easy watching.  
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: brinners on September 25, 2016, 04:48:15 PM
I'm inclined to agree with Cult. Boston created a number of chances, quite a few of them clearer than ours; we only made their keeper really work twice (both Wilkinson shots) though he was perfectly competent in everything else he did; and crucially they deposited the ball in the onion bag once & we didn't. I do think his criticism of Reeves is a little harsh - crosses a yard or so beyond the oncoming striker's reach were happening too often for the fault to lie purely with the striker - but am largely in agreement re Hobson.
The crucial points to me are (a) Cyrus desperately needs a 'boss' beside him in defence - by which I mean a relatively experienced, physically dominant central defender rather than an experienced 'old pro'; in other words a fit Hannigan rather than Goodall. We may have to wait a while for that, certainly in terms of match fitness even if his physical fitness is judged sufficient in a week or so, and we're not going to find a loanee of sufficient standard in the short term. (b) Our midfield is lightweight; yesterday we had three 'luxury players' in the sense that Wilkinson, Lawrie & Miller between them aren't going to win the ball for you - Wilkinson showed how well he can pass the ball but he really needs someone to win it for him. The absence of Richman was very keenly felt; some might say that he has limitations, but the fact is that he provides energy & a willingness to challenge for the ball. When he went off v Gainsborough we wilted visibly & for me at least a fit Richman would get the vote ahead of either Lawrie (for whom the word 'mercurial' might have been invented) or Miller. I was impressed by Cain - he stays out wide where Miller tends to come inside too often, & is prepared to have a go at the defence.
There were spells when we looked quite good (if still a bit laboured) & it's much better than it was, but don't let's kid ourselves - at the moment we go into games on the back foot, whatever the opposition, & Saturday isn't going to be easy watching.  


At last. Someone who actually saw the game. Boston's front two may have been big and ponderous, but they knew what we were lacking and took full advantage. Equally, their two wingers may have predictably cut in every time, but they knew we are short of proper full backs. Boston always looked more likely to score than us. Their keeper made a save or two he would have been expected to make, but was barely put under any serious pressure.
Title: Re: Boston - Match Thread
Post by: Brian Flynn on September 25, 2016, 08:13:29 PM
Their 4 was decent I grant you.

As for Hobson bang average.

Hattersley I assume will be on his as Heathcote came on and played up front.

Marcus Marshall was excellent....almost came on loan to us from Grimsby earlier this year....it was all set up, then he sustained an injury. He's a winger but yesterday he looked as if he had been playing central midfield for years.

I was very impressed with Liam Agnew as well. He joined Sunderland around the same time as Duncan Watmore. He played in our last league meeting with Boston on April Fools Day 2014, whilst on loan, then was on the bench for Sunderland at Stamford Bridge about a week later.

Jason St. Juste was a menace down the left, he has caused us problems before, playing for Halifax & Jay Rollins was decent on the right.

They were better than I thought they would be.