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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bumble on September 22, 2016, 01:06:37 PM
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QUESTIONS FOR THE MANAGER AND BOARD
As previously announced, there is a Q&A session with the Manager and representatives of the Club and Community Sports Co. Board in the Community Sports Hall, after the game with Boston United on Saturday (24th).
TASC chairman, Brian Flynn, writes... "If anyone is unable to attend the 'Meet the Manager & Board' event on Saturday but wishes to ask a question, would he or she please email their question to Brian Flynn by Friday. Your question can be to Jim Harvey, the Board of Altrincham Football Club or the Board of the Community Sports Company".
Comments, Questions and Opinions welcome.
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Couldn't make it either but feedback I was given isn't great, either.
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Any one comment who went on how it was ?
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Maybe they've all been gassed.
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No one seems prepared to comment so it must've been bad!!
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I should have put a Smiley in there. I hope something positive came out of the meeting but I am not hopeful.
I think the board are very brave having an open forrum.
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Jim Harvey spoke very well, he's aware of our current problems and has ambitions for the club going forward. I wish him well but have doubts about how much the board can match his ambitions and whether or not a bigger club will come in for him when we start doing well. As for the board q and a - no comment
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My sources weren't too impressed either. Depressing.
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As I suspected by the sounds of it. This board are more focused on community than football.
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The manager q&a went very well and Jim Harvey knows what he is talking about and I do expect him to get us out of this awful position we are in.
The board q&a was very different and certainly got the feel that its them and us despite the chairman trying to describe the club as being all of us.
The man sat to the chairmans right(Andrew Shaw?) was very patronising with some of his responses and at times didn't seem to understand the question getting mixed up
between someone to help them appoint a new manager and a director of football type appointment.
I can understand why so many people have become disillusioned with things that are going on within the club.
Was a bit of a shame not more people could attend the q&a session.
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Hold on. There's no actual context on here yet. Let's give them the benefit of the doubt. I want a transcript not a one line opinion.
Just doing this meeting is a positive. We need to build on it
Edit: it sounds f**ked ???
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Andrew Shaw is more interested in Man City than Altrincham FC and comes across as patronising most of the time not just at this particular meeting.
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I was there and I too found Mr Shaw somewhat arrogant and spoke to some people in a way I found a bit disconcerting
I came away with the impression that Jim Harvey's vision for the club are somewhat different to those of the board.
I also got the impression that there were plenty of people in the audience who were there to pop poo anything that resembled criticism of Rowley and the board.
Overall I left with a bit of a bad taste in the mouth. I hasten to add that Jim Harvey seems the right man to get us out of the mire on the field, along with his new assistant Buzz.
I spoke to George Heslop prior to the meeting to ask how he and wife Jen were and he informed me that he has had notice from the club that he and Jen have been told that there services are no longer required by the club !!! This shocked me more than anything NB I do realise that Jen isn't well.
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It doesn't quite tally that we make constant appeals for volunteers for,various tasks and then treat 2 of our stalwart volunteers in this way.
The club is currently one PR disaster after another. The board will hopefully learn one day.
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The board are a bit strange to be honest, I'm just glad that we've got a decent manager in now and the board can hopefully fade into the background.. I've long since been interested what the chairman has to say.
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In the past I have always trusted graham and the board to what's best for as a kid pre Goodwin ere I was told the club might finish and it made me cry as a child and what confirmed my love for alty was the phrase webdo things the alty way and to me was to be the team that overachieved beyond our budget and we treated everyone from players management fans volunteers the sNe because that's what makes Altrincham fc that is worryingly dristingu away we are ate fans club as much as achieve in the community if we are not showing our potential the people will not come I didn't go to to the q and a but from what I have heard I stil have faith in Jim Harvey I don't feel we should have a complete change of bord but add fooorball knowlage to it be cause on community front we can rival anyone but on the pitch let's hope they have the same trust in Harvey as I do
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In the past I have always trusted graham and the board to what's best for as a kid pre Goodwin ere I was told the club might finish and it made me cry as a child and what confirmed my love for alty was the phrase webdo things the alty way and to me was to be the team that overachieved beyond our budget and we treated everyone from players management fans volunteers the sNe because that's what makes Altrincham fc that is worryingly dristingu away we are ate fans club as much as achieve in the community if we are not showing our potential the people will not come I didn't go to to the q and a but from what I have heard I stil have faith in Jim Harvey I don't feel we should have a complete change of bord but add fooorball knowlage to it be cause on community front we can rival anyone but on the pitch let's hope they have the same trust in Harvey as I do
I'm really not the guy to be a grammar snob but come on mate, chuck a full stop or a comma in. That was really hard to read.
Once I got through it though, I agree!
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Apologies for the poor grammer and wording. I have had a pint to many but glad my point has still come across
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It doesn't quite tally that we make constant appeals for volunteers for,various tasks and then treat 2 of our stlwrt volunteers in this way.
The club is currently one PR disaster after another. The board will hopefully learn one day.
Jenny wasn't a volunteer when she ran the bar,it was a paid job.
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What I found strange was the way in which the board answered questions.
For example my question, given poor appointments in managers recently, should we actually look for someone to advise the board on football matters when they arrive.
The answer from Andrew shaw began on a rant about liam watson and how we can't afford it. And that why would we sit someone in jim shoulder every match. He answered a question I didnt ask...
Wasnt untill I continually pushed him thag my questioned got answered.
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It doesn't quite tally that we make constant appeals for volunteers for,various tasks and then treat 2 of our stlwrt volunteers in this way.
The club is currently one PR disaster after another. The board will hopefully learn one day.
Jenny wasn't a volunteer when she ran the bar,it was a paid job.
Thx, wasn't aware of that.
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
I was at the Nuneaton game and when I asked someone about the CSH I was told that it was actually now all paid for...
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
From the very small snippets I've seen on here it looks like it was a real 'us and them' scenario, a rounding of the board's wagons and a liberal sprinkling of yes men/women in the audience, but that could be completely wrong. Would be very interested to hear/read a full account from someone who was there.
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
From the very small snippets I've seen on here it looks like it was a real 'us and them' scenario, a rounding of the board's wagons and a liberal sprinkling of yes men/women in the audience, but that could be completely wrong. Would be very interested to hear/read a full account from someone who was there.
I made quite a large number of notes, sent as a inning update to a group of friends who couldn't be there. I'm sure Mr Laidlar will have something on the website soon, but when I am free tomorrow I will run through all of the messages I sent and compile a small report as to what was said.
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I made quite a large number of notes, sent as a inning update to a group of friends who couldn't be there. I'm sure Mr Laidlar will have something on the website soon, but when I am free tomorrow I will run through all of the messages I sent and compile a small report as to what was said.
Thank you. Very much appreciated. Hard looking in from afar (although I realise it isn't a lot easier actually being there at the moment).
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
As I knew that I would not be attending the Q&A, I submitted the following question to Brian Flynn via email (but I don't know as yet whether it was asked or, indeed, answered):
Does the chairman now regret any aspect of that recent deleterious two-page article in the Non League Paper?
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I didn't go because Iv decided I don't want the misfortune of listening to the board again
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I made quite a large number of notes, sent as a inning update to a group of friends who couldn't be there. I'm sure Mr Laidlar will have something on the website soon, but when I am free tomorrow I will run through all of the messages I sent and compile a small report as to what was said.
Thank you. Very much appreciated. Hard looking in from afar (although I realise it isn't a lot easier actually being there at the moment).
We are looking at the practicalility of streaming and record8ng future events.
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
As I knew that I would not be attending the Q&A, I submitted the following question to Brian Flynn via email (but I don't know as yet whether it was asked or, indeed, answered):
Does the chairman now regret any aspect of that recent deleterious two-page article in the Non League Paper?
The subject came up, i sort of remember his answer but ill await JL's report as not to mis quote Grahame
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
As I knew that I would not be attending the Q&A, I submitted the following question to Brian Flynn via email (but I don't know as yet whether it was asked or, indeed, answered):
Does the chairman now regret any aspect of that recent deleterious two-page article in the Non League Paper?
The subject came up, i sort of remember his answer but ill await JL's report as not to mis quote Grahame
If memory serves me I believe the chairman stated he was mis- quoted by the reporter Sam Elliot, It was suggested by somebody that it may help to build bridges with the fans if he put an article in the programme explaining this. The chairman neither stated he would or would not publish a statement, another reason that I believe the gap between the fans and the board isn't closer.
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
Again I understand that is is just the bar taking and food sales that benefit the club. I stand to be corrected but that is what I was told when I asked somebody close to the club
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As I knew that I would not be attending the Q&A, I submitted the following question to Brian Flynn via email (but I don't know as yet whether it was asked or, indeed, answered):
Does the chairman now regret any aspect of that recent deleterious two-page article in the Non League Paper?
Which is probably what I should have done. Nice work.
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
From the very small snippets I've seen on here it looks like it was a real 'us and them' scenario, a rounding of the board's wagons and a liberal sprinkling of yes men/women in the audience, but that could be completely wrong. Would be very interested to hear/read a full account from someone who was there.
I made quite a large number of notes, sent as a inning update to a group of friends who couldn't be there. I'm sure Mr Laidlar will have something on the website soon, but when I am free tomorrow I will run through all of the messages I sent and compile a small report as to what was said.
John Laidlar had to leave before the Community section began, so anything you have on that would be appreciated.
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If memory serves me I believe the chairman stated he was mis- quoted by the reporter Sam Elliot, It was suggested by somebody that it may help to build bridges with the fans if he put an article in the programme explaining this. The chairman neither stated he would or would not publish a statement, another reason that I believe the gap between the fans and the board isn't closer.
Hmmm, that generates more questions than answers. How was he misquoted? Also, the original point of what evidence was there to suggest it was Alty fans and were the police notified. As you say, a statement clarifying the whole sorry situation is what is required.
If I had been misquoted in a national publication I would be doing my utmost to put the record straight.
I will await the report on the website, but I would have thought the whole point of this Q&A session was to be more open and explain things to the supporters, thus improving relations and lifting the atmosphere around the club. It does not sound like this was the case.
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Did anyone ask about the recent PR disasters for the club and in particular GR's ill-advised 'rant' in the NLP? Was this GR going solo or did he have the full support of the board? Were the police involved? Was there concrete evidence that if there was in fact phone harassment that it was in fact Alty fans?
As I knew that I would not be attending the Q&A, I submitted the following question to Brian Flynn via email (but I don't know as yet whether it was asked or, indeed, answered):
Does the chairman now regret any aspect of that recent deleterious two-page article in the Non League Paper?
The subject came up, i sort of remember his answer but ill await JL's report as not to mis quote Grahame
If memory serves me I believe the chairman stated he was mis- quoted by the reporter Sam Elliot, It was suggested by somebody that it may help to build bridges with the fans if he put an article in the programme explaining this. The chairman neither stated he would or would not publish a statement, another reason that I believe the gap between the fans and the board isn't closer.
The following excerpt is taken from John Laidlar's synopsis on the official website of last evening's Q&A session:
"A written question asked for the Chairman’s view on his representation by the NL Paper in a recent two-page article in that paper.
Grahame Rowley stated that the article had not represented his views accurately and that he had e-mailed the NLP to tell them so but had received no reply."
In which case, I sincerely hope that the chairman continues to pursue this matter until the reporter in question either prints a retraction or issues some corrections in the NLP.
A progress report and a statement in the Robins Review as to exactly how this reporter misrepresented the chairman's views would be most welcome in due course.
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If memory serves me I believe the chairman stated he was mis- quoted by the reporter Sam Elliot, It was suggested by somebody that it may help to build bridges with the fans if he put an article in the programme explaining this. The chairman neither stated he would or would not publish a statement, another reason that I believe the gap between the fans and the board isn't closer.
If I had been misquoted in a national publication I would be doing my utmost to put the record straight.
Spot on.
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If memory serves me I believe the chairman stated he was mis- quoted by the reporter Sam Elliot, It was suggested by somebody that it may help to build bridges with the fans if he put an article in the programme explaining this. The chairman neither stated he would or would not publish a statement, another reason that I believe the gap between the fans and the board isn't closer.
If I had been misquoted in a national publication I would be doing my utmost to put the record straight.
Spot on.
The reporter Sam Elliot is easily contactable, I was speaking to him the evening the story broke, as you can see from the links the reporter is adamant these were the chairmans words. So someone is lying? And why wait three weeks before telling the fans he had been misquoted?
If the chairman is lying about this I think he should step down - its unacceptable
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/772510981410922496
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/772513308456972288
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
Again I understand that is is just the bar taking and food sales that benefit the club. I stand to be corrected but that is what I was told when I asked somebody close to the club
That's fair enough but if the team and the CSH both needed funds then choices would have to be made. I'm surprised that more noise wasn't made about the Hall having been paid for. That's a good news story surely.
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
Again I understand that is is just the bar taking and food sales that benefit the club. I stand to be corrected but that is what I was told when I asked somebody close to the club
That's fair enough but if the team and the CSH both needed funds then choices would have to be made. I'm surprised that more noise wasn't made about the Hall having been paid for. That's a good news story surely.
As it hasn't been fully paid up. There is a loan for 25k that will be paid 2017/18.
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
Again I understand that is is just the bar taking and food sales that benefit the club. I stand to be corrected but that is what I was told when I asked somebody close to the club
That's fair enough but if the team and the CSH both needed funds then choices would have to be made. I'm surprised that more noise wasn't made about the Hall having been paid for. That's a good news story surely.
As it hasn't been fully paid up. There is a loan for 25k that will be paid 2017/18.
Which explains the lack of publicity. Thanks!
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I appreciate most of the concern was probably about the repair of what's happened with the team but did anyone ask how much is still owing on the community centre and when at the current rate of income it is likely to be paid off?
I think the hall is a great asset but wonder how long it will be before its actually putting money into the club.
Happy to be corrected but I don't think it's a case of paying off the CSH then all profit goes into the playing side.
Again I understand that is is just the bar taking and food sales that benefit the club. I stand to be corrected but that is what I was told when I asked somebody close to the club
That's fair enough but if the team and the CSH both needed funds then choices would have to be made. I'm surprised that more noise wasn't made about the Hall having been paid for. That's a good news story surely.
As it hasn't been fully paid up. There is a loan for 25k that will be paid 2017/18.
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That's interesting (if that is true) Its OK to get loans for the CSH but when I asked the question the other night "why didn't we get a loan on the strength of the Duncan appearance money" I got dismissed as reckless and I was even told that if I would guarantee the loan then all well and good.
Funny how they can justify a loan for the CSH and not the football teams demise from the National league and all the benefits that brings.
I am getting more and more pissed off with this lot as each day passes.
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The following has come via Pete Foster. I enquired as to what benefits the club get - aside from introducing people to the club.
Without going into detailed amounts, the Club is benefiting from the CSH project as follows:
- 80 year lease on the ground. Difficult to provide a £ benefit to this however it does make investment easier to justify and to fund.
- Refurbished changing rooms. We believe that this enabled us to retain the MUFC deal which we expected we would lose, with double the revenue. Also increased hire out of the ground for other games (e.g. A behind closed doors international friendly next week)
- Significant increase in bar revenue. e.g. Last weekend we had a match and two events and bar takings (not profit) were over £5k. However profit isn’t as high. Beer costs, vat, and expenses for bar staff have to come out of that, although we do benefit from some volunteers (Chairman and family, Steve, etc) on both match days and functions
- New sponsorship deal from brewery as a result of increased spend with them
- Big club events are more profitable as our costs (e.g. Room and food) are much lower than the Cresta (and that doesn’t take into account the bar takings which are the clubs)
- An additional function room – what was the Noel White bar – is available for hire, use on match days etc. We don’t yet make enough use of this I suspect.
- Not resulting from the CSH project, but the Club do benefit from use of its facilities by the CSC, who pay for usage of the pitch for Fun Weeks, Ladies match at Beer Festival, for example.
- Another ‘not resulting from the CSH’ but you may not be aware that the Reserve team doesn’t cost the Club as its largely financed by the CSC.
- Organising events - i.e. judy and stacey's time as they are CSH/CSC employees - is covered by CSH income
- Kit costs for Supporters and poss Ladies teams - plus pitch hire for the supporters and poss ladies team (I say poss because I know the supporters team do, and under the title of 'recreational' which the ladies also fall under)
The CSC (Community Sports Co.) rent areas of the ground for fundays etc. generating more income (Approx 5k) - That was mention at the MTM/MTB evening
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Also increased hire out of the ground for other games (e.g. A behind closed doors international friendly next week)
Blimey - who was playing who?
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Back to the subject of being misquoted, was Rowley also misquoted in his programme notes for the Stockport game?
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Back to the subject of being misquoted, was Rowley also misquoted in his programme notes for the Stockport game?
No, and he stands by his comments. Any fan who did that should hang their heads in shame.
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As it hasn't been fully paid up. There is a loan for 25k that will be paid 2017/18.
That's interesting (if that is true) Its OK to get loans for the CSH but when I asked the question the other night "why didn't we get a loan on the strength of the Duncan appearance money" I got dismissed as reckless and I was even told that if I would guarantee the loan then all well and good. Funny how they can justify a loan for the CSH and not the football teams demise from the National league and all the benefits that brings.
I am getting more and more pissed off with this lot as each day passes.
Ray, I think you are maybe misunderstanding the situation. In order for the club to improve facilities for the long term, re-develope the changing rooms and build the CSH it had to spend money on things like planning consents and other upfront costs like professional advice, making grant applications etc and thats what the 25K loan was for. The outstandingly successful CSH is now fully paid off in full from grants, donations and extra income etc. The club could have donated the 25K, most clubs would have, but at Alty the very responsible board insisted that the whole scheme would NOT affect the playing income/ budget. In fact, in the 2 years since the CSH was done the clubs extra income resulting from the CSH could have easily paid that loan off, but instead that income has gone into the clubs coffers for players,... which is exactly what most fans want.
The CSH has attracted so many more people to Alty on matchdays as well, evidenced by the numbers present before and after the game compared with the tiny bar we had before and a snack bar that couldnt cope.
I know that results have been dreadful and the playing side is very disappointing, but really the club is very well run and money isnt the root cause of our current plight, that's caused by a terrible managerial appointment, that even most fans approved of at the time.
With what seems a very experienced manager now in Jim Harvey in place, hopefully things will start looking a lot rosier soon.
And the club now has an amazing long term asset and community side that is the ENVY of most non league clubs in the country.
Off the field, the club hasnt been healthier really.
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Back to the subject of being misquoted, was Rowley also misquoted in his programme notes for the Stockport game?
No, and he stands by his comments. Any fan who did that should hang their heads in shame.
OK, so which bit of his NLP article was a mis-quote, and how does it differ from his programme notes? I didn't see the NLP article, but the part that people on here seemed upset by is the repeated allegations of offensive communications to NY.
Fully agree with GR if any allegations are proven, but this isn't North Korea where we just take the glorious leader's word as fact.
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Back to the subject of being misquoted, was Rowley also misquoted in his programme notes for the Stockport game?
Rowley was not misquoted in the NLP at all, its all bullsh*t
I have had further correspondance with Sam Elliott the reporter who claims that Graham has his name and number saved on his mobile phone yet he hasn't attempted to call at all?
It is disgraceful that the chairman sat at a fans forum on Saturday and lied to everyone present
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/780387134347866113
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How would someone know if another person has their name and number saved in their phone?
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How would someone know if another person has their name and number saved in their phone?
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/780386903795400704
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As it hasn't been fully paid up. There is a loan for 25k that will be paid 2017/18.
That's interesting (if that is true) Its OK to get loans for the CSH but when I asked the question the other night "why didn't we get a loan on the strength of the Duncan appearance money" I got dismissed as reckless and I was even told that if I would guarantee the loan then all well and good. Funny how they can justify a loan for the CSH and not the football teams demise from the National league and all the benefits that brings.
I am getting more and more pissed off with this lot as each day passes.
I know that results have been dreadful and the playing side is very disappointing, but really the club is very well run and money isnt the root cause of our current plight, that's caused by a terrible managerial appointment, that even most fans approved of at the time.
Two terrible managerial appointments.
Have you forgotten Neil Tolson already?!
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How would someone know if another person has their name and number saved in their phone?
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/780386903795400704
That doesn't explain how he knows GR had his number stored in his phone. I agree with most you say on the subject btw Jamie,I just thought it was a bit of a daft thing for the reporter to say as how would he know?!
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It's a bit of a blind alley that, the reporter says he has
However just off the top of my head in 2 minutes I can think of ways he might know
They conducted the interview face to face and he told Mr Rowley his number and saw him put it in his phone?
Or more likely, they conducted the interview over the phone which would mean his number would be easily accessible
Anyway up somebody's pants are on fire
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How would someone know if another person has their name and number saved in their phone?
https://twitter.com/SamElliott_NLP/status/780386903795400704
That doesn't explain how he knows GR had his number stored in his phone. I agree with most you say on the subject btw Jamie,I just thought it was a bit of a daft thing for the reporter to say as how would he know?!
Whether or how he knows is quite irrelevant. If GR wanted to get in touch with Sam (or someone else at the NLP) then he could have quite easily - I'm sure that journalists don't keep their contact details secret. Jamie found him easily enough on Twitter.
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made no comments as i had not seen the article in question,but i would rather believe our chairman than a reporter.I was always told don't believe everything you read in the press and is the nlp still crap,cannot get it here in exeter.As for hiring bad managers at the time of appointment where they bad? or did they just make bad decisions?
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I know that results have been dreadful and the playing side is very disappointing, but really the club is very well run and money isnt the root cause of our current plight, that's caused by a terrible managerial appointment, that even most fans approved of at the time.
Two terrible managerial appointments.
Have you forgotten Neil Tolson already?!
No I havent, your point pre-supposes that there was a better alternative to Tolson, you just assume there must have been. Who was that then?
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I know that results have been dreadful and the playing side is very disappointing, but really the club is very well run and money isnt the root cause of our current plight, that's caused by a terrible managerial appointment, that even most fans approved of at the time.
Two terrible managerial appointments.
Have you forgotten Neil Tolson already?!
No I havent, your point pre-supposes that there was a better alternative to Tolson, you just assume there must have been. Who was that then?
Well, we'll never know Ian because the board didn't consider it or look for anyone. They appointed Neil Tolson on the basis of giving him a chance, not because there were no better alternatives.
Regardless of people's opinions (and a lot felt that his previous managerial record and his role with a team that had grown stale before our eyes would make it a bad move - and they were correct because it exactly panned out in a listless, timid relegation), it is that decision which has caused upset and dissatisfaction on a level I have seldom seen among our fanbase, most worrying among people who I would not consider critical, indeed almost on the verge of happy clappers in a few cases. And that's never been really acknowledged or accepted I feel hence all the discontent.
As for Neil Young, I think a bit more due diligence could've been done but you couldn't expect it to turn out this bad.
You ought to consider that Cult does not run the club. Therefore, it's not his job to scout the availability of potential managers, or even make moves to contact ones in situ.
It's like saying people here supported ny appt. was I supposed to be speaking to contacts at Chester, Stockport, various, journalist third parties, players etc to fully assess his suitability. No of course not.
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Whilst I agree on most of what you say, there is still a presumption by some that better options existed which frankly I dont think they did.
How do you know the club didnt look?
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Because NT was appointed (immediately) on the basis of loyalty and that he be given a chance. Unless I've misquoted Grahane Rowley...
At no point were any other reasons given for the appointment (which could realistically have been that the team may have been a bit more liberated and attacking under him as LS was more defensive minded or simply there was no cash left for a new manager etc).
There weren't any worse options, so there could only be better ones. If you're suggesting the club did look and felt that NT was the best option but then stated other reasons (that were divisive) we're why he had been appointed. Then I would utterly despair.
An appointment made in haste at best.
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But was it actually an appointment ? He was merely a caretaker. Otherwise he wouldnt have been interviewed for the job just before NY's appointment.
Which doesn't, of course, make the decision to give him the keys to the executive embrocation locker any wiser.
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made no comments as i had not seen the article in question,but i would rather believe our chairman than a reporter.I was always told don't believe everything you read in the press and is the nlp still crap,cannot get it here in exeter.As for hiring bad managers at the time of appointment where they bad? or did they just make bad decisions?
You could possibly take that viewpoint, but the evidence strongly suggests otherwise unless GR is also claiming that he misquoted himself in his programme notes.
As I pointed out earlier in this thread, if you'd been misquoted in a national publication, you'd have thought you would do everything in your power to put the record straight.
It doesn't add up......at the very best it is incredibly poor PR on GR's part, at worst..........
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made no comments as i had not seen the article in question,but i would rather believe our chairman than a reporter.I was always told don't believe everything you read in the press and is the nlp still crap,cannot get it here in exeter.As for hiring bad managers at the time of appointment where they bad? or did they just make bad decisions?
bad managers make bad decisions sadly
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not making a fuss of being mis-quoted is a reasonable course of action from a PR point of view. If he wants a retraction then there is another article in the NLP the following week pointing out how the chairman has fallen out with the Alty fans or goodness knows what. The last thing we need is a journalist digging into this dirty laundry. Just letting it go might be a better option.
I'm no expert but the above would seem reasonable to me - admittedly he could have said this at the Q&A
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This will go on and on and on, we'll never all agree which is expected but surely we all know stuffs gone badly wrong recently and as fans we deserve better answers than what we've had. I'm so disappointed the board never took the opportunity on Saturday to hold their hands up and accept they have made some bad decisions and handled a few situations badly, and then tell us we'll all make the effort to learn from it and move on.
Instead it sounds like they stoked the flaming fire by trying to justify everything ???
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not making a fuss of being mis-quoted is a reasonable course of action from a PR point of view. If he wants a retraction then there is another article in the NLP the following week pointing out how the chairman has fallen out with the Alty fans or goodness knows what. The last thing we need is a journalist digging into this dirty laundry. Just letting it go might be a better option.
I'm no expert but the above would seem reasonable to me - admittedly he could have said this at the Q&A
Best option for who? Those that he insulted or his own position?
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best for everyone connected to Alty - the last article caused enormous upset, doing another one is just as likely to make it worse rather than better.
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best for everyone connected to Alty - the last article caused enormous upset, doing another one is just as likely to make it worse rather than better.
He doesn't have to go back to the NLP. He could have clarified the whole situation in his programme notes.
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best for everyone connected to Alty - the last article caused enormous upset, doing another one is just as likely to make it worse rather than better.
As you say, "the last article caused enormous upset".
If I had upset people in the press by being misrepresented, I would have been on the case straight away, trying to repair the damage done and making clear what was actually meant.
It shouldnt be about washing dirty laundry in public, and it shouldnt be about just letting go because you cant just let it go when youre the chairman and the fans have been upset.
Instead the response comes across, in my opinion, as either half arsed or not understanding the actual damage that article caused in the first place.