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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: GB Alty on September 03, 2016, 08:22:25 PM
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I am led to believe that the Rowley programme notes were interesting today?
Anyone care to share them here for those that couldn't attend today?
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They were a bit abrasive tbh considering the last manager was sh*t and to my knowledge no one actually slated the ex managers family or the chairmans family.
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Explains why nobody prepared to reproduce them on here I guess
Where they libelous?
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The "hold your heads in shame" comment directed at fans who post negative comments on social media was stupid. I also have seen nothing on this forum that was personal towards Neil or his family. We, with good reason, questioned what the hell was going on on the football field. Maybe the chairman should make sure the next manager is tough enough to ride some comments posted on the Internet. Can't imagine Anthony Johnson or Bernard Morley at Salford City losing much sleep over such matters. Let's toughen up.
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I hold my head in shame when I see what a shambles this club has become. This can't continue for much longer surely?
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The very reason why, in over 55 years of watching football, I've stopped buying a programme this season.
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It's fair enough for him to criticise people for giving personal abuse, if that has indeed been the case. But a little more humility would have been wise - our last two managerial appointments have been catastrophic and he might try to in some way acknowledge that.
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cut the guy some slack. he knows he's dropped the ball appointing NY and this can't be an easy time to have to go public on your thoughts every home game. While NY was the manager he had to come out and support him publicly - right up to the time he fires him, none of us know how close he came to doing that and rightly so.
the club have done lots of very good things to secure our long term future for which GR and the board should be applauded - they have done one or two disastrous things that have buggered up our short term prospects but overall they are still doing a good job.
They do however need to make sure they get the next appointment right, we can't afford another bad manager.
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I wonder what any potential incoming manager who was at the game today and happened to buy a progamme would think?
Shocking
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cut the guy some slack. he knows he's dropped the ball appointing NY and this can't be an easy time to have to go public on your thoughts every home game. While NY was the manager he had to come out and support him publicly - right up to the time he fires him, none of us know how close he came to doing that and rightly so.
the club have done lots of very good things to secure our long term future for which GR and the board should be applauded - they have done one or two disastrous things that have buggered up our short term prospects but overall they are still doing a good job.
They do however need to make sure they get the next appointment right, we can't afford another bad manager.
Why not write something about NLD? Welcoming our new fans? And thanking our current fans ?
Rather than slatting fans.
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not saying he couldn't have done better just saying he can't be at his best in the current stressful period and suggesting the "club has become a shambles" and "shocking" when you haven't actually read what was written (as B pig implied when they started this thread) is hardly helping the situation
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not saying he couldn't have done better just saying he can't be at his best in the current stressful period and suggesting the "club has become a shambles" and "shocking" when you haven't actually read what was written (as B pig implied when they started this thread) is hardly helping the situation
well why don't you tell me what he said? I am only reacting to what a lot of very unhappy people are telling me
By the way 5 straight defeats at this level is a total shambles, the club is at its lowest ebb whilst I've been going and probably since the early 60's. The stats tell you that alone, Royton Mike please confirm?
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cut the guy some slack. he knows he's dropped the ball appointing NY and this can't be an easy time to have to go public on your thoughts every home game. While NY was the manager he had to come out and support him publicly - right up to the time he fires him, none of us know how close he came to doing that and rightly so.
the club have done lots of very good things to secure our long term future for which GR and the board should be applauded - they have done one or two disastrous things that have buggered up our short term prospects but overall they are still doing a good job.
They do however need to make sure they get the next appointment right, we can't afford another bad manager.
couldnt agree more , its a shame people are taking pot shots at the chairman who IN MY OPINION IS DOING THE BEST THING FOR THE CLUB making it sustainable and part of the community and not having a dig then claiming complete innocence and that butter wouldnt melt in his mouth because you dont agree with what someone is doing
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cut the guy some slack. he knows he's dropped the ball appointing NY and this can't be an easy time to have to go public on your thoughts every home game. While NY was the manager he had to come out and support him publicly - right up to the time he fires him, none of us know how close he came to doing that and rightly so.
the club have done lots of very good things to secure our long term future for which GR and the board should be applauded - they have done one or two disastrous things that have buggered up our short term prospects but overall they are still doing a good job.
They do however need to make sure they get the next appointment right, we can't afford another bad manager.
couldnt agree more , its a shame people are taking pot shots at the chairman who IN MY OPINION IS DOING THE BEST THING FOR THE CLUB making it sustainable and part of the community and not having a dig then claiming complete innocence and that butter wouldnt melt in his mouth because you dont agree with what someone is doing
to be fair Hash it seems it's the chairman taking pot shots at the fans, thats what this thread is about
Incidentally the club isn't sustainable, its lost 5 games on the trot in the conference north, that must be a crisis of sorts even in your thinking?
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come on jamie im sure the chairman has realised he f**ked up , no one is denying that and yes we are now in recovery mode which will take time but spending your time and energy which you have oddles of , snipping at every opportunity is really counter productive and as a accountant you should know this .... no one is happy about what is going on atm , i was there today i managed to watch the whole game before i walked out and there is some progress , yes me/you are frustrated yes the chairman made a HONEST mistake things arnt going the way you want , you see other teams bank rolled , you want success .... unfortunately we are not bankrolled so we have to play the long game , looking at kaine today if we can keep bring players like that through we have a future maybe not as quick and what you demand but we have a future heckle me as much as you want or anyone else for thinking like this but at least we have a future.
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Do we have to get a Freedom of Information Act application going to held of the programme notes or is someone got to reveal what all this is about?
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Well said
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Hash this whole thread is about the chairmans programme notes, if he hadn't made them then this thread wouldn't exist would it
I asked in the very first post if someone could reproduce them? But still no one has, I have been told that they attack fans, and that we should hold our heads in shame for the way Neil Young was treated. But I have yet to see a full transcript
Maybe you shouldn't be getting involved if you not seen them either? If you have seen why not just share. They can't be that damaging can they?
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The fans of this club have been amazing we have suffered a lot
And still singing today
That takes heart and soul
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Ps the last 2 Neil's have been a mistake ... fact
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Fair enough about the point of origin , maybe I've had enough of the snipping people are human they make mistakes all this in its entirety seems to be getting way to personal maybe I'll just start taking every chance I can snipping at the haters or maybe I'm completely wrong all in all the whole situation is a mess and all this negativity is pointless it won't archive sh*t
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I may get shot down for saying this - but why not invest less than the price of a pint in buying the programme, thereby contributing income to the club, and read the notes for yourselves?
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I may get shot down for saying this - but why not invest less than the price of a pint in buying the programme, thereby contributing income to the club, and read the notes for yourselves?
I always buy a programme, but I wasn't at the game yesterday
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I don't think NY got any personal abuse. Plenty of people said he was bloody awful and has ruined the club, which is probably not far off given where we now sit.
I think the chairman is a legend, he's so devoted and he loves the club. He puts everything he has into it, time, money, passion and apparently unbreakable commitment. However, he's made some bad decisions, and he's confounded them by some disastrous decisions regarding communication between the club and fans. I think he needs some help in the job in front of him. As B Pig said we've lost 5 on the bounce in a regional league, if we keep on like this we'll be in the unibond with crowds of 600 every week and slim hope of getting back here nevermind the conference national. I think it's time we reviewed who is on the board helping make all these awful bloody decisions because the next big decision is too important to get wrong.
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I read the program notes - I throw the program away after each game else would gladly type some of what was said...his comments were probably aimed against this forum, unless something is going on at Facebook or Twitter that I do not know about.
I haven't seen anything too personal about families on here over the years, so not sure if his comments were 100% accurate. What I did think as I read it is that, being the Chairman of a football club is a fairly high profile position. You take such a role knowing that in the good times you will be a local hero and in the bad times....well, we all know what happens. So, if you do not like the social media scrutiny that is now part of the job, then don't take it. The thing with Social Media is that a small % of comments are inevitably harsher than they should be (some are more positive than they should be). So...its life..get over it.
I have never posted anything negative ever about the chairman, a manager, a player or any family members. I do, however, reserve the right to slag anyone off at the club as long as it is not libellous - although I do think family members should be off-limits unless they also invite media attention. I can understand why any person in a high profile position doesn't like any negative comments...but it just comes with the territory and complaining about it almost invites more abuse.
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Brilliant post nimeta.
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I would suggest we may be better off rallying round the club and it's board; and all pulling together to trying to put this club back where it belongs. Nobody denies things have not yet worked out for us this season. Several times during the game yesterday, I thought we were not a million miles from where we want to be. Compared to Stockport, we are a small side, our strength is playing football in a passing game on the deck. Stockport play a different game of lofted balls to their bigger players, which sucked us into their way of playing, particularly towards the end. I thought some our passing moves yesterday were very good. I thought Harry Cain was excellent when he came on; and I'll tell you what, I would rather watch our style of play than Stockport's long high balls forward.
I know I'm the eternal optimist but I took a lot of positives from the game yesterday. Sam is young an inexperienced but I think we should all be patient with him. If I was GH, I would be blowing my top at some of the remarks on here. Give him a chance, he is young and as yet inexperienced, but I believe he will some good.
Sorry but I read Graham Rowley's notes in the programme, and I think some of the criticism is unfair on someone who with his family, live and breathe this club. We have had many personnel changes since last season, but are now showing signs of improvement, we just have to be patient. I did not expect what happened this season so far under Neil, and I was as enthusiastic as over fans where. Maybe things would have improved under Neil, but the risk became too great and he had to go.
Lets look onwards now, and be glad of the sings from yesterday, we have started by bringing back Tim Deasy, the next step in the emergence of Harry Cain, an exiting player with a good future for us. This is our club, lets rally round the board, new management and players, and especially the likes of Jake, Shaun and Alan - we are getting better lads.
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Why are we a small club compared to stockport ? We must have a similar budget ?
And don't kid your self things would have got better with Neil he has done more damage to this club then I have ever witnessed in 30 years
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I was thinking the same thing about Stockport. I'd be surprised if their budget was significantly greater than ours. They were certainly little better than they were last time we were in this league.
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I agree it will be a bit bigger but we are putting ourselves down if we think we are small
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Top 8 budget has been mentioned but we don't know if that's the case
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Having a pop at the fans (who were magnificent yesterday.....far better than the county fans who just made a noise when they scored.....and the alty players were applauded off the pitch for a great effort and much better showing of balance) is as cheap as the fans having a go on social media......
I think I may have called NY a clown and perhaps a football manager imposter I make no apologies.....heard a few county fans at the ground saying how NY had almost ruined them as well.....
I think there was a positive feeling around the club yesterday with lots of support for the club and players.....a few tweaks and a new manager should be easily capable of turning us around.
The last few weeks have been utter shambles.....I look forward to things picking up starting with the right appointment.....we urgently need a manager but it must be the right one
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Yesterdays programme notes................
Good afternoon and welcome to Jim Gannon and his Stockport side for this Vanarama National North fixture. A lot has happened over the last week but we must now stand back,appraise the situation and move on.
Firstly my thanks to Alan Goodall,Shaun Densmore and Jake Moult for agreeing to step up to the mark and take control of team affairs after the resignation of Neil Young and subsequent departures of Gary Jones and Simon Garner. I would like to put on record my personal thanks to Neil Young for the way he dealt with the situation. I do not regret employing Neil-he was the best candidate available when we advertised the job and he worked tremendously hard to make things work. Unfortunately things transpired against him with injuries and players not performing to expectations and thus,with dignity,he resigned his post. If,as I was informed that comments on Social Media,to him and his family,were a contributory factor then I think the people involved should hold their heads in shame. The loss of Neil Young(and Liam Watson) is a loss to the game especially when they state that this is the end of their managerial careers. I have not known a harder working "team" for this football club.
The expression "sticks and stones will break my bones but words will never hurt me"-may be a nursery rhyme and people will say they agree with it but when the words get personal and are directed at family members as well as the person involved they "DO" hurt. Myself and my family have also come in for the social media treatment in recent days and although I've always said I've got broad shoulders and you've got to take the stick when things go wrong if you're prepared to take the plaudits when things are good,it still does hurt especially when you put a much time,money and energy into this football club as my family do. There's only so much that people can stand before action is taken.
Let's hope that the "supporters" of our Football Club can now regroup and get behind whoever is the given the opportunity to move the club forward. The appointment won't please everyone-I can guarantee that-but once the applications have been appraised and interviews carried out the Board will appoint the person who they believe will bring success back to the club. With your support that job will be made easier.
Let's work together as a strong unit-togetherness will always outdo conflict. Together we can put the "heart" back into Altrincham Football Club.
Thank you for your time,
Grahame.
Make of that what you will people
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How can you not regret one of the worst managerial appointments in history? Anyway, water under the bridge now and we move on.
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Absolutely vital now that the next appointment is the correct one. personally if it takes time to find him then so be it.
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I might add that if it was the so called supporters letting the man know he should resign that prompted his action then thank GOD....especially if the board were going to let him carry on!!!
Hopefully the support of so called supporters like myself yesterday will also get a mention in the next programme notes.....real feeling of togertherness at the match I thought...
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I can only assume this abuse is coming over Twitter or Facebook or whatever other medium than the forum because I haven't seen any personable abuse to NY or the chairmans family in recent months let alone days. If he thinks it's forum stuff that's bad then it's rotten eggs from him because nobody ever makes unfounded criticism on here, even when it's harsh.
On the other hand if it's genuine awful abuse on Twitter, and it does happen, then he's right it's shameful and he should out it all on Twitter or whatever or report it. However using the program notes to make vague statements that sound out a large % of the fan base is a bit daft and more evidence that the club needs help in communicating.
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Absolutely vital now that the next appointment is the correct one. personally if it takes time to find him then so be it.
"Find him", does it have to be a him?
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Absolutely vital now that the next appointment is the correct one. personally if it takes time to find him then so be it.
"Find him", does it have to be a him?
Yes
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Absolutely vital now that the next appointment is the correct one. personally if it takes time to find him then so be it.
"Find him", does it have to be a him?
Can you honestly name a viable female candidate ?
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Absolutely vital now that the next appointment is the correct one. personally if it takes time to find him then so be it.
"Find him", does it have to be a him?
Errmmmm. Yes.... do you you have a problem with the fact that its a bloke?
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Why are we a small club compared to stockport ?
I think what you'll find Wayne is that what was said is that are a small "side" (and not a small club) ...meaning that physically we don't match up to Stockport.
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Those who buy The Non-League Paper will no doubt have read pages 4 & 5 of today's edition.
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Those who buy The Non-League Paper will no doubt have read pages 4 & 5 of today's edition.
And the gist of it was?
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Those who buy The Non-League Paper will no doubt have read pages 4 & 5 of today's edition.
And the gist of it was?
Young gunned by trolling culture is the headline. The article is an interview with Grahame Rowley
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Those who buy The Non-League Paper will no doubt have read pages 4 & 5 of today's edition.
And the gist of it was?
Young gunned by trolling culture is the headline. The article is an interview with Grahame Rowley
Heavens. I think the six nil humiliation had lots to do with Neils demise. That and the following abject performances with no sign of improvement.
Right - from now on I'm maintaining a positive line. The only way is up.
COME ON ALTY.
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Interesting that Young was going nowhere had he not quit:
"The chairman says there is absolutely no truth in the suggestion Young jumped before he was pushed and the club were right behind their manager"
"To be absolutely clear we had total confidence in Neil turning it around"
"We as a board were shocked and saddened to hear of Neil's decision on Sunday"
That has to be enough, the chairman needs to leave immediately, we're becoming the biggest laughing stock in British football. Everyone I know is very unhappy about this
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Interesting that Young was going nowhere had he not quit:
"The chairman says there is absolutely no truth in the suggestion Young jumped before he was pushed and the club were right behind their manager"
"To be absolutely clear we had total confidence in Neil turning it around"
"We as a board were shocked and saddened to hear of Neil's decision on Sunday"
That has to be enough, the chairman needs to leave immediately, we're becoming the biggest laughing stock in British football. Everyone I know is very unhappy about this
They are VERY worrying quotes from the chairman! Total confidence in a man that totally destroyed the playing side of the club! How are we supposed to trust the current chairman to make the correct decision when appointing a new manager when he thinks Neil Young and before him Neil Tolson did a good job?! Very worrying times for a club who's football team sems to have taken a back seat to the community side of things. Maybe it's time for Grahame to step aside to concentrate on the community side of the club and hand over to someone who's more interested in the football side of it?
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I can only assume this abuse is coming over Twitter or Facebook or whatever other medium than the forum because I haven't seen any personable abuse to NY or the chairmans family in recent months let alone days. If he thinks it's forum stuff that's bad then it's rotten eggs from him because nobody ever makes unfounded criticism on here, even when it's harsh.
On the other hand if it's genuine awful abuse on Twitter, and it does happen, then he's right it's shameful and he should out it all on Twitter or whatever or report it. However using the program notes to make vague statements that sound out a large % of the fan base is a bit daft and more evidence that the club needs help in communicating.
Exactly.
Take the matter further, report it to the police and thereby initiate the procedure of identifying the culprit(s).
I'm afraid that the chairman appears to have a very poor grasp of PR and would certainly benefit from some assistance in that area.
As for his increasingly divisive and embarrassing programme column, I can only echo Leon's observation earlier in this thread that some humility from the chairman wouldn't have gone amiss, along with an expression of gratitude to the supporters for remaining loyal under the very dispiriting circumstances of the last six months.
In fact, I'm not sure that we have ever even witnessed any written apology for the Board's catastrophic promotion of Neil Tolson to caretaker manager back in March, which precipitated our descent into this current malaise.
I assure the chairman that I can easily get insulted for free without having to pay £2.50 for a copy of the Robins Review for that particular privilege!
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are a lot of people who would happily chuck the baby out with the bath water.
Whatever the feelings about recent managerial appointments, and team performance, if we lost our current chairman, the support of his family, and various other board members, THAT would be the death of this club.
Who else would do half the things they do around the ground; anyone on here?
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I never suggested he should quit. What I said was maybe he should concentrate his efforts on the community side of the club that him and his family excel at and let someone who is more focused on the football team take over that side of things.
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I was very deliberate when I said "a lot of people".
There is a very shortsighted view by people on here. Get rid of the chairman and/or board, but who is waiting in the wings to continue financing this club and doing all the jobs they do?
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I was very deliberate when I said "a lot of people".
There is a very shortsighted view by people on here. Get rid of the chairman and/or board, but who is waiting in the wings to continue financing this club and doing all the jobs they do?
have you read the NLP today Mike? If so what do you think?
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If people have actually done that to Neil Young then its horrible, and it needs dealing with through the authorities. I'd like to see proof of it though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I believe it. If you're public enough to go to the NLP and discuss it then you can surely disclose some more information via the club's information streams.
Every supporter of this club was entitled to an opinion on Young and the vast, vast majority were negative ones. That's a fact. For many the bottom line was the Fylde defeat, but watching Curzon Ashton dicking around with us was when he had to go.
The article now makes it clear that they were going to stick with him, had he not retired. So its also clear that the opinions of fans and board are completely at odds. Again.
There was absolutely no need for our chairman to go to a national newspaper and air that in public. Its extremely unprofessional, and in my personal opinion it comess as though he set out to shame the entire fan base because we had a different opinion to them.
Well, you've not shamed anyone Grahame, you've just alienated the vast majority of supporters who've been going home and away for over a year only to be served up the same old, ambition lacking garbage.
I'm not entirely sure what I want. The positives that SemiProTog highlights are ones that I completely understand and appreciate, but there has to come a time where negatives start to outweigh them... And with so many sensible, passionate fans feeling utterly fed up... That time could be now.
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I never suggested he should quit. What I said was maybe he should concentrate his efforts on the community side of the club that him and his family excel at and let someone who is more focused on the football team take over that side of things.
I agree, but whose going to appoint someone to take care of the football side of things? The same board? We'd be whole lot better off if the board publicly stopped backing themselves. You only learn from the mistakes you accept you made.
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If people have actually done that to Neil Young then its horrible, and it needs dealing with through the authorities. I'd like to see proof of it though to be honest, I'm not entirely sure I believe it. If you're public enough to go to the NLP and discuss it then you can surely disclose some more information via the club's information streams.
Every supporter of this club was entitled to an opinion on Young and the vast, vast majority were negative ones. That's a fact. For many the bottom line was the Fylde defeat, but watching Curzon Ashton dicking around with us was when he had to go.
The article now makes it clear that they were going to stick with him, had he not retired. So its also clear that the opinions of fans and board are completely at odds. Again.
There was absolutely no need for our chairman to go to a national newspaper and air that in public. Its extremely unprofessional, and in my personal opinion it comess as though he set out to shame the entire fan base because we had a different opinion to them.
Well, you've not shamed anyone Grahame, you've just alienated the vast majority of supporters who've been going home and away for over a year only to be served up the same old, ambition lacking garbage.
I'm not entirely sure what I want. The positives that SemiProTog highlights are ones that I completely understand and appreciate, but there has to come a time where negatives start to outweigh them... And with so many sensible, passionate fans feeling utterly fed up... That time could be now.
Excellent post!
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NLP@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
We should all being emailing them. The article was totally unbalanced, without a shred of evidence and without any sort collaboration with Neil Young
The good reputation of Altrincham fans depends on it, we've been publicly humiliated in the national press
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By the Chairman, not the NLP. Have you read a statement from the Board saying they've been misquoted?
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By the Chairman, not the NLP. Have you read a statement from the Board saying they've been misquoted?
all the more reason to email the NLP as I'm suggesting?
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NLP article now on Official site if anyone wants to read it.
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[/quote]all the more reason to email the NLP as I'm suggesting?
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I see no good coming of taking this further - even if the allegations are incorrect (and we cannot be entirely sure what did or did not happen elsewhere) it will reflect badly on the club and fans as it could draw further attention to something that, for fans elsewhere, will be quickly forgotten.
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Reading this article if this has happened where some fan(s) have got hold of Neil Youngs mobile number and given him abuse, then Graheme Rowley is totally justified in what he has said. Thats totally out of order despite what has happened on the pitch.
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Reading this article if this has happened where some fan(s) have got hold of Neil Youngs mobile number and given him abuse, then Graheme Rowley is totally justified in what he has said. Thats totally out of order despite what has happened on the pitch.
Do you think it's true?
Incidentally that isn't the full article, it doesn't mention the bit where Neil Young dosen't confirm the story
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Reading this article if this has happened where some fan(s) have got hold of Neil Youngs mobile number and given him abuse, then Graheme Rowley is totally justified in what he has said. Thats totally out of order despite what has happened on the pitch.
Indeed, it is.
However, as yet, there has been no evidence presented that the alleged troll(s) is/are incontrovertibly a supporter/supporters of Altrincham FC.
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Reading this article if this has happened where some fan(s) have got hold of Neil Youngs mobile number and given him abuse, then Graheme Rowley is totally justified in what he has said. Thats totally out of order despite what has happened on the pitch.
Bollocks. Contacting the authorities and dealing with the situation behind closed doors is totally justifiable. Going to the NLP just to air it out is not.
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Anyone thought that it could be stockport fans making mischief? I wouldnt know where to start to get hold of a manager's phone number
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Anyone thought that it could be stockport fans making mischief? I wouldnt know where to start to get hold of a manager's phone number
shouldn't the chairman of thought that before he went to the NLP?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again: there are a lot of people who would happily chuck the baby out with the bath water.
Whatever the feelings about recent managerial appointments, and team performance, if we lost our current chairman, the support of his family, and various other board members, THAT would be the death of this club.
Who else would do half the things they do around the ground; anyone on here?
Someone else...
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I was very deliberate when I said "a lot of people".
There is a very shortsighted view by people on here. Get rid of the chairman and/or board, but who is waiting in the wings to continue financing this club and doing all the jobs they do?
The thing is though Mike, this is complete bollocks. And people buy into it without putting any thought into it. Yes, the Rowleys and the board do a lot, fair play, but what would actually happen? The club would close because no ones there? Rubbish.
There's no one waiting directly in the wings because why would there be for a club that isn't for sale? Do you expect investors to sit at the bus stop on Moss Lane on the off chance that one day the club will suddenly be up for sale? Totally different thing than if they could takeover.
And as for financing the club, the board our their hands in their pockets but not to the extent it's irreplaceable.
Financing is what Ben Robinson does at Burton or Andy Pilley at Fleetwood.
I'm amazed anyone swallows it. When people leave, others come in.
Ffs.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
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I was very deliberate when I said "a lot of people".
There is a very shortsighted view by people on here. Get rid of the chairman and/or board, but who is waiting in the wings to continue financing this club and doing all the jobs they do?
The thing is though Mike, this is complete bollocks. And people buy into it without putting any thought into it. Yes, the Rowleys and the board do a lot, fair play, but what would actually happen? The club would close because no ones there? Rubbish.
There's no one waiting directly in the wings because why would there be for a club that isn't for sale? Do you expect investors to sit at the bus stop on Moss Lane on the off chance that one day the club will suddenly be up for sale? Totally different thing than if they could takeover.
And as for financing the club, the board our their hands in their pockets but not to the extent it's irreplaceable.
Financing is what Ben Robinson does at Burton or Andy Pilley at Fleetwood.
I'm amazed anyone swallows it. When people leave, others come in.
Ffs.
Great post, very reasonable.
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Someone should hold their head in shame,the state the clubs in at the moment, and its not the supporters.
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I have never posted before and people are entitled to their opinions but I think it is wrong in the extreme to post individuals' email addresses and encourage, implicitly or explicitly, other people to pester them.
I would add that for it to be slander then someone specifically has to be slandered by it, which is clearly not the case in this article - the slander has to damage someone's reputation.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
It's not like the NLP to get anything wrong is it?
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
That's what I was getting at mate.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
folks, I have tonight been in conversation with Sam Ashton who wrote the artical
To be honest he didn't have a great deal to say - but he did assure me that 100% every word in it came from our chairman. He didnt feel the need to confirm anything with Neil Young, if there is any slander well it's our chairman's words
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There is an article next to that one hy the same journo suggesting Curtis Woodhouse would be perfect for the job because he wouldn't be bullied by internet trolls as Young was. The chairman has done a job on his own club, not sure what he was trying to achieve but the PR disasters are stacking up.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
folks, I have tonight been in conversation with Sam Ashton who wrote the artical
To be honest he didn't have a great deal to say - but he did assure me that 100% every word in it came from our chairman. He didnt feel the need to confirm anything with Neil Young, if there is any slander that would be the responsibility of our chairman
its not slander as it wasn't against any individual but it's certainly a lie.
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how can you possibly know that for sure?
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Whether he made it up or not (and I don't think he'd do that), the whole thing is just falling apart and somebody has to answer for the complete mess we find ourselves in. For me, that's the chairman.
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No one has said anything real bad against any one
I sang what the f was going on when we were 3, 1 down to curzon
This forum will continue despite strange chairman making it difficult for us
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but if the 'bad thing' was said to NY's mobile we wouldn't know about it would we?
I don't think a couple of bad managerial appointments is enough to warrant calling for the chairman to stand down. Those claiming someone else could do it should remember the old adage:
This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
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Or, life could just go on.
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but if the 'bad thing' was said to NY's mobile we wouldn't know about it would we?
I don't think a couple of bad managerial appointments is enough to warrant calling for the chairman to stand down. Those claiming someone else could do it should remember the old adage:
This is a little story about four people named Everybody, Somebody, Anybody, and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done and Everybody was sure that Somebody would do it.
Anybody could have done it, but Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because it was Everybody's job.
Everybody thought that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realized that Everybody wouldn't do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done
1. So what happened when the previous people before now left?
2. No business has ever been taken over by anyone else, as per the example above.
Again, complete lazy bollocks.
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I'm not saying it couldn't happen, I'm just saying that assuming it will all be OK is a risk that I don't feel is worth taking
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Surely the way to resolve this issue is for any fans who have an issue with the chairman has said, is to see if he would meet them to discuss the matter privately or maybe have an open meeting to discuss this and any other club matters?
This is such an important time for the club to get the right manager in, to get the improvement on the pitch which everyone obviously wants.
Then a line can be drawn and hopefully the chairman, board and fans can unite and try and achieve what we all want, a decent team on the pitch.
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I am very surprised, disappointed and saddened with the Chairman's notes. That was not the forum to start slagging off supporters. I have not seen any personal remarks regarding family members on twitter or this forum. Though I hope the Chairman has contacted the authorities, or at least spoken to those responsible.
I am really at a loss as to why these comments would be made to the non-league paper. It makes the club look pretty poor. Surely, our biggest attendance of the year would have required a more welcoming and appreciative tone, given that we havent won yet, however over 2355 turn up?
To say the whole board were supportive of Young is remarkable. Ive never seen such a poor & embarrassing showing. Yet, most of the players have improved with some decent tactics. It was quite clear that Young had to go after the Curzon game, although we haven't picked up any points, the performances have been better.
There is no doubt that Grahame and the Rowley's have done lots for Altrincham over the years. However, if they left tomorrow, their legacy will remain and someone else could bring in a much needed bond between all supporters. I do feel sorry for the Chairman, as you cannot please everyone all the time. However, looking where we are now, compared to last year or the year before I can easily see why some supporters are very upset. I fear that that there will be a division between some supporters and the Chairman, given the appetite for rounding the wagons and lashing out at those who dare to question the logic of some illogical decisions.
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With regards to very serious allegations of abuse I think the chairmans comments are correct, I only hope the police are involved. Quite why the NLP is I don't know?
The really concerning part for us the fans who aren't responsible for the abuse is this:
He said, 'To be absolutely clear, we had total confidence in Neil turning around what perhaps wasn't the best of starts to the season. We are all well aware the size of the task facing us to get back into the National League...
Perhaps wasn't the best? We are on a direct flight to Ossett Albion, it's an absolute disaster! Just stay away from the press and get a new manager in to sort the mess out so we can forget this sorry mess!
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With regards to very serious allegations of abuse I think the chairmans comments are correct, I only hope the police are involved. Quite why the NLP is I don't know?
The really concerning part for us the fans who aren't responsible for the abuse is this:
He said, 'To be absolutely clear, we had total confidence in Neil turning around what perhaps wasn't the best of starts to the season. We are all well aware the size of the task facing us to get back into the National League...
Perhaps wasn't the best? We are on a direct flight to Ossett Albion, it's an absolute disaster! Just stay away from the press and get a new manager in to sort the mess out so we can forget this sorry mess!
This on a 7 page thread gets to the heart of the matter. I'm an exile so don't get to nearly as many home games as I would like but when that third goal for Curzon went in last Saturday the mood on the Golf Road was absolutely poisonous, nothing like that since the Stan Allan dog days of the early 90s I can recall. For the Chairman to come out and say that NY would still be the boss if he hadn't walked beggars belief. After the eminently avoidable relegation of last season and the inexplicable appointment of Tolson, to try and defend what we've seen so far this season and indeed for virtually all of 2016 is taking the fanbase for idiots.
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With regards to very serious allegations of abuse I think the chairmans comments are correct, I only hope the police are involved. Quite why the NLP is I don't know?
The really concerning part for us the fans who aren't responsible for the abuse is this:
He said, 'To be absolutely clear, we had total confidence in Neil turning around what perhaps wasn't the best of starts to the season. We are all well aware the size of the task facing us to get back into the National League...
Perhaps wasn't the best? We are on a direct flight to Ossett Albion, it's an absolute disaster! Just stay away from the press and get a new manager in to sort the mess out so we can forget this sorry mess!
This on a 7 page thread gets to the heart of the matter. I'm an exile so don't get to nearly as many home games as I would like but when that third goal for Curzon went in last Saturday the mood on the Golf Road was absolutely poisonous, nothing like that since the Stan Allan dog days of the early 90s I can recall. For the Chairman to come out and say that NY would still be the boss if he hadn't walked beggars belief. After the eminently avoidable relegation of last season and the inexplicable appointment of Tolson, to try and defend what we've seen so far this season and indeed for virtually all of 2016 is taking the fanbase for idiots.
Up to today I had total confidence in our board....but the revelation now that they would have stuck with a manager who had clearly lost the plot (Bossangue on a contract, Dawber to continue as first choice keeper, etc.) has forced me to conclude that we are in deep sh*t and will struggle to get out. If we don't get the right manager this time we're in real danger of Evostik football next season.
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What a shame that whilst the fans were stood on the terraces on Saturday trying to rally the team the NLP and programme was ready to serve us another blow
It's not been easy watching Alty the last 12 months the fans have been very loyal
The board must have seen something in Neil that no one else I have spoken to had
A man who used competive games to test of unknown players were good enough at the expense of proven players .
I have even spoken to someone who he manged in the past and said he would continually meddle with the starting 11 even if winning and this upset the cohesion in the dressing room
Also I guess all those Stockport fans must be wrong as well
This laundry needs to be washed in private not public
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Quite frankly, I'm disgusted with the comments from the Chairman.
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
folks, I have tonight been in conversation with Sam Ashton who wrote the artical
To be honest he didn't have a great deal to say - but he did assure me that 100% every word in it came from our chairman. He didnt feel the need to confirm anything with Neil Young, if there is any slander well it's our chairman's words
We can't know for sure if what the Chairman said to the journalist is true or not. We do know that what you said to the journalist was untrue though "Mr Rowley has lost the support of 100%".
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@SamElliott_NLP
Here the chap on twitter who wrote the article, I am asking him is his article not slander without any evidence?
Sam.elliott@greenwayspublishing.co.uk
Stop looking for someone to blame. Journo just doing his job. Bet he couldn't get that article typed up quick enough.
In fairness, he's quoting the chairman of a football club. He should expect to be able to take his word at face value here.
It's not the journalism I find staggering to be honest.
folks, I have tonight been in conversation with Sam Ashton who wrote the artical
To be honest he didn't have a great deal to say - but he did assure me that 100% every word in it came from our chairman. He didnt feel the need to confirm anything with Neil Young, if there is any slander well it's our chairman's words
We can't know for sure if what the Chairman said to the journalist is true or not. We do know that what you said to the journalist was untrue though "Mr Rowley has lost the support of 100%".
I think we can be sure GR's comments have been accurately reported - they appear in full on the 'latest news' section of the Club's official website. If he felt they were inaccurate or misleading I doubt they would be repeated verbatim in the club's principle means of on-line communication.
On the substantive point, criticism comes with the territory I'm afraid, but personal threats or attacks do not, particularly if they include family members. I've seen some comments on here that have been near the knuckle for my taste, but I don't think even those fell anywhere near the bracket GR mentions. On that basis we can presume they were made via FB/ Twitter etc or txt msg. In either event the Police should be able to track down the perpetrators if supplied with the relevant information. When identified I'd like to see the culprits banned from Moss Lane for life irrespective of any legal proceedings.
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Did Rowley consult with either of the club's Press and Media officers before going to the NLP? ::) ::)
Would appear not.
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I hope the police are investigating and that the club can update as to progress?
Whoever has been doing this must be quite close to the centre of the club, to have Neil Young and familys telephone numbers. Beggers believe
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I too have lost confidence in the Chairman and think it might be time for a change. What that change is I have no idea, but we cannot carry on like this.
When the smelly stuff hit the fan with the Tolson decision the line about family members being attacked etc etc was rolled out and I knew it was just a matter of time before it would be rolled out this time too. If it's true then it's totally unacceptable and I do hope he is pursuing legal means to put an end to it, but let's not use it to cloud the bigger picture here.
I totally question his leadership and motives for the club as he's made some very bizarre decisions on behalf of us all over the last 6 months.
- the whole Tolson decision was totally the wrong one, it was obvious to most at the time yet the board carried on supporting him, despite time rapidly running out and it being obvious it was not working.
- that ridiculous article in the NLP a few months ago about how we "do things differently" and "look after our own" (or similar wording, can't remember exactly now). Made us look like right numpties and sent out totally the wrong signals. All very laudable sentiments, but the club surely exists to win games (and thus attract fans and sponsors) and not be some kind of benevolent fund.
- Young on paper looked to be just what we needed, but this has not borne out to be true in reality. Poor recruitments, often appearing to be almost at random. playing people out of position, constantly revolving squads that no-one could keep up with, let alone the players getting time to bond with each other. The list is endless.
- the latest Robins Review column (and a few comments prior to that) which appear to have a go at genuine and dedicated supporters who spend a good proportion of their hard earned supporting the club, both home and away. Don't forget who pays some of the bills at the club - us loyal fans and we don't ever deserve to be talked about like this.
- the article in this week's NLP which was very ill thought out and not the kind of laundry we need to be washing in public. Get a PR contact on board before firing off ill thought out comments to the press please.
None of this is meant as personal and none of it is directed at anyone's family, just to be totally clear here.
One very disillusioned supporter who spends a considerable amount going to all home and away games and expects better.
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I don't for one minute believe any fans have got hold of Neil Young's mobile number, either Alty or Stockport, and my belief is that it is Young's past has come back to haunt him. We are all aware how he gets rid of players at the drop of a hat and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the work of one, or some, of his ex disenchanted players.....and there'll be plenty to choose from!!!
I would expect the Chairman to issue an apology in the programme, for those who buy it, in the Non-League Paper and on our website,if he cannot produce evidence of this abuse.
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I don't for one minute believe any fans have got hold of Neil Young's mobile number, either Alty or Stockport, and my belief is that it is Young's past has come back to haunt him. We are all aware how he gets rid of players at the drop of a hat and I wouldn't be surprised if it's the work of one, or some, of his ex disenchanted players.....and there'll be plenty to choose from!!!
I would expect the Chairman to issue an apology in the programme, for those who buy it, in the Non-League Paper and on our website,if he cannot produce evidence of this abuse.
Quite apart from producing evidence and indeed evidence that proved it was an Alty fan(s), the article in the NLP was insulting to most Alty supporters, at the very least it was an ill judged PR disaster. Does GR take it upon himself without any consultation with anyone else to go ahead and speak to a national publication is such a manner?
For what it's worth I thought we looked more organised on Saturday than anything that has gone before (although for me purely going on the word of others and RR/Alty TV). I even thought we looked reasonably comfortable for a good part of the game. Obviously Stockport are no world beaters themselves and as such we still have a long way to go, but there were encouraging signs.
Unfortunately the pieces by GR in both the programme and the NLP have left an extremely sour taste in the mouth. The loyal supporters of this club deserve some form of explanation.
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Just adding some perspective here, if there are people who have directed vile personal abuse to Neil Young and his family then they aren't welcome at the club, its simple as that. GR hasn't stated its the whole support base thats done this. He's entitled to criticise those who have done such idiotic and quite frankly criminal things, and its sensible more than anything for the club to distance themselves from it.
What irks me is the failure to recognise exactly where the abuse came from and also the failure to acknowledge that Neil Young's position was untenable and he was open to a certain acceptable level of criticism. i'm also pretty amazed that this came out in the NLP directly, and has no mention of what has been done to tackle it, i.e. refer it to the police.
If this was twitter, facebook or text messages then say exactly what it was. 'Social Media' to me is not this forum so we shouldnt take too much offence. What we should be upset by is the total lack of acceptance of the situation we are in on the field, and how we got there???
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Neil Young doesn't have facebook or twitter, so what is mean't by social media?
I repeat whoever has been doing this must be close to the centre of the club, to have Neil Young and family telephone numbers.
I'm tempted to report it to the police myself, can't believe Graham would raise this in the national press if he hadn't notified the police. These are criminal acts and need to be dealt with
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I'd say they were closer to Neil Young than the club. As we don't know who it was, how it was or what it was that occurred I'd say its hard to say it 'must' have been anything.
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The only person who should be dealing with the police on this issue is Neil Young himself. He may have been a crap manager, but he seems a decent human being based on my two chats with him early in his tenure. He may want to let sleeping dogs lie....if so, we should let that happen.
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The only person who should be dealing with the police on this issue is Neil Young himself. He may have been a crap manager, but he seems a decent human being based on my two chats with him early in his tenure. He may want to let sleeping dogs lie....if so, we should let that happen.
do you think the chairman thought of that?
Neil Youngs dignity has been totally destroyed by this
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What must the rest of the non league football world have thought when after shipping ten goals in two home games to AFC Fylde and Curzon Ashton they found out the board still had full confidence in the manager? There must've been some coffee spat over breakfast tables on Sunday morning.
I hope some proof of this is given and some perspective added for the rest of our fanbase who had quite legitimate concerns.
I hope this is frustration rather than a smokescreen.
What a mess.
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I too have lost confidence in the Chairman and think it might be time for a change. What that change is I have no idea, but we cannot carry on like this.
When the smelly stuff hit the fan with the Tolson decision the line about family members being attacked etc etc was rolled out and I knew it was just a matter of time before it would be rolled out this time too. If it's true then it's totally unacceptable and I do hope he is pursuing legal means to put an end to it, but let's not use it to cloud the bigger picture here.
I totally question his leadership and motives for the club as he's made some very bizarre decisions on behalf of us all over the last 6 months.
- the whole Tolson decision was totally the wrong one, it was obvious to most at the time yet the board carried on supporting him, despite time rapidly running out and it being obvious it was not working.
- that ridiculous article in the NLP a few months ago about how we "do things differently" and "look after our own" (or similar wording, can't remember exactly now). Made us look like right numpties and sent out totally the wrong signals. All very laudable sentiments, but the club surely exists to win games (and thus attract fans and sponsors) and not be some kind of benevolent fund.
- Young on paper looked to be just what we needed, but this has not borne out to be true in reality. Poor recruitments, often appearing to be almost at random. playing people out of position, constantly revolving squads that no-one could keep up with, let alone the players getting time to bond with each other. The list is endless.
- the latest Robins Review column (and a few comments prior to that) which appear to have a go at genuine and dedicated supporters who spend a good proportion of their hard earned supporting the club, both home and away. Don't forget who pays some of the bills at the club - us loyal fans and we don't ever deserve to be talked about like this.
- the article in this week's NLP which was very ill thought out and not the kind of laundry we need to be washing in public. Get a PR contact on board before firing off ill thought out comments to the press please.
None of this is meant as personal and none of it is directed at anyone's family, just to be totally clear here.
One very disillusioned supporter who spends a considerable amount going to all home and away games and expects better.
Without quite labouring the point or sensationalising things this is an excellent posts. It very much encapsulates the very grave concerns that I feel at the minute.
Amidst all the stuff on here that ranges from perceptive to ridiculous, I hope that if members of the board read only one post on here (and we know they do) then it's this one and they make the effort to reflect on it and address it.
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If I was a football manager thinking of applying for the vacant job at the club I certainly wouldn't do now after the way the chairman has publicly slated the fans. If it's true what has happened to NY and his family (which I think is a deflection tactic from Rowley) then it is wrong and wants investigating but I'm sure Mr Rowley has added to NYs harassment calls and texts from journalists trying to get a story now.
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If I were a manager, I'd fancy the job because I'd know that I could make a complete Horlicks of it and still enjoy the board's full confidence.
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If I was a football manager thinking of applying for the vacant job at the club I certainly wouldn't do now after the way the chairman has publicly slated the fans.
Curtis Woodhouse joked that if he got the job, he hoped he wouldn't get trolled by the fans. Us fans have a great reputation at the moment... :(
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On a positive note, the forum has been as good as it ever has recently.
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If I was a football manager thinking of applying for the vacant job at the club I certainly wouldn't do now after the way the chairman has publicly slated the fans.
Curtis Woodhouse joked that if he got the job, he hoped he wouldn't get trolled by the fans. Us fans have a great reputation at the moment... :(
indeed and a totally unjustified reputation
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And it's all down to the chairman. I'm not holding my breath for an apology though. He will regret it when there is 500 watching tomorrow
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I think Chorley will travel in large numbers tomorrow. They have had a wonderful start and quite frankly are where we should be.
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A really tough game praying for a point
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Well said babs
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I wonder if the police are now involved and if the messages have been traced so action can be taken and individuals dealt with
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I wonder if the police are now involved and if the messages have been traced so action can be taken and individuals dealt with
maybe Mr Rowley programme notes will tell us tonight?
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I wonder if the police are now involved and if the messages have been traced so action can be taken and individuals dealt with
maybe Mr Rowley programme notes will tell us tonight?
I would certainly hope not if there is an ongoing police investigation. If being the key word here.
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Either way once all is investigated (if applicable) the outcome needs to be shared dependant on proceedings etc
It's only right it's brought to a close for all
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Either way once all is investigated (if applicable) the outcome needs to be shared dependant on proceedings etc
It's only right it's brought to a close for all
There are some legal circumstances that preclude the outcome of investigations being made public, but if legally possible I agree fully with you.
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Is it illegal to tell someone that you think that one of their family members isn't a very good manager?
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Is it illegal to tell someone that you think that one of their family members isn't a very good manager?
depends how it's done I guess? If it's threatening and is an invasion of privicy like telephone calls like Mr Rowley has said it is
I would not expect Mr Rowley to tell us how any police investigation is progressing. But I would expect him to confirm to us that there is one, if not he should totally retract his NLP article and resign
Maybe he will clarify in his programme notes tonight? Or if not maybe someone who is going to the game could ask him? Remember how approachable he is
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I am at a complete loss as to why you think there needs to be a police investigation. There needs to be a line but people should be able to be rebuked for crossing it without resorting to the police.
I don't find his article offensive because I know it wasn't aimed at me.
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I am at a complete loss as to why you think there needs to be a police investigation. There needs to be a line but people should be able to be rebuked for crossing it without resorting to the police.
I don't find his article offensive because I know it wasn't aimed at me.
I totally get where you are coming from and it wasn't about me either
But it's left an open wound and it needs closing one way or another
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It wasn't aimed at me either but with how vague the statement was I question the motive of the statement. I hope the chairman wasn't attacking to defend and take the focus away from his and his boards appointment of two inept Neil's.
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
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Apparently NY was subjected to the same personal abuse he has apparently been subjected to by Alty fans at SCFC by their fans and this was apparently one of the reasons he left that post apparently with the same promise of never returning to the dugout.
Food for thought...?
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I am at a complete loss as to why you think there needs to be a police investigation. There needs to be a line but people should be able to be rebuked for crossing it without resorting to the police.
I don't find his article offensive because I know it wasn't aimed at me.
your missing the point. The whole thing is made up.
So who was the article aimed at?
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It wasn't aimed at me either but with how vague the statement was I question the motive of the statement. I hope the chairman wasn't attacking to defend and take the focus away from his and his boards appointment of two inept Neil's.
spot on exactly - we all know its about self preservation and deflection of responsibility
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
I have he hasn't responded to me?
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How do you know it's made up? As in evidence rather than speculation.
I agree with Cheshire Cat. The idea that this is a police matter is very strange. Many things happen in our lives that we find hugely unpleasant and distasteful without us going to the police about it. In fact people on this very thread have said that the chairman has permanently damaged the reputation of the club and poisoned the relationship between board and fans. If true - and people are entitled to their opinion - that's very serious and affects the lives of fans who live and breathe this club, and undoubtedly feel very hurt. But could you report GR's interview to the police, in the same way you want him or NY to report people who have offended them to the police?
For the record, I think Gr should have been more careful in what he said. There are lots of genuine, longstanding fans here who have taken genuine offence (and some who seem to have manufactured offence), and GR has a responsibility as chairman to be careful about that. But all of that can be true without people needing to throw around wild, baseless claims about lies or concoct fantasies that people should only complain in public about things that are worthy of police attention.
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So what did the Rowley programme notes say tonight?
Anyone speak to him in person?
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It was a well earned point in difficult circumstances losing Hall to injury just as we went behind in the first half. Great credit to the team showing some fight and a cracking goal from Miller but back to the really important stuff.........
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So what did the Rowley programme notes say tonight?
Anyone speak to him in person?
Yes, I did, he said you are banned from operating keyboards :D
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So what did the Rowley programme notes say tonight?
Anyone speak to him in person?
Yes, I did, he said you are banned from operating keyboards :D
Shut up you div! Apologies to the moderators.
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Now now gentlemen. We've had a good run of things given the circumstances.
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
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How do you know it's made up? As in evidence rather than speculation.
I agree with Cheshire Cat. The idea that this is a police matter is very strange. Many things happen in our lives that we find hugely unpleasant and distasteful without us going to the police about it. In fact people on this very thread have said that the chairman has permanently damaged the reputation of the club and poisoned the relationship between board and fans. If true - and people are entitled to their opinion - that's very serious and affects the lives of fans who live and breathe this club, and undoubtedly feel very hurt. But could you report GR's interview to the police, in the same way you want him or NY to report people who have offended them to the police?
For the record, I think Gr should have been more careful in what he said. There are lots of genuine, longstanding fans here who have taken genuine offence (and some who seem to have manufactured offence), and GR has a responsibility as chairman to be careful about that. But all of that can be true without people needing to throw around wild, baseless claims about lies or concoct fantasies that people should only complain in public about things that are worthy of police attention.
Well, the matter was so serious that our chairman laid into the all supporters with his notes. Since its being used as part of Young's resignation, presumably what happened was in poor taste and would be a form of harassment? Harassment is a criminal offence. This is why the issue, if it is so serious to merit a person resigning from his job & comments from the chairman, should be reported to the police for further investigation.
Social media is easily traceable..... All it needs is for someone to confirm the issue has been reported......
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
this was the point I was trying to make thanks . It's in the public realm now and needs to be closed in the public realm
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
this was the point I was trying to make thanks . It's in the public realm now and needs to be closed in the public realm
Which may or mat not be legally permissible. For example if the alleged perpetrator is below the age of legal responsibility.
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
this was the point I was trying to make thanks . It's in the public realm now and needs to be closed in the public realm
Which may or mat not be legally permissible. For example if the alleged perpetrator is below the age of legal responsibility.
that's fine then .. it could read .. can not be named for legal reasons
Simple
Or .. no further action was taken etc etc
I'm not asking for names and addresses.. I'm asking for closure
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
this was the point I was trying to make thanks . It's in the public realm now and needs to be closed in the public realm
Which may or mat not be legally permissible. For example if the alleged perpetrator is below the age of legal responsibility.
that's fine then .. it could read .. can not be named for legal reasons
Simple
Or .. no further action was taken etc etc
I'm not asking for names and addresses.. I'm asking for closure
It's not the inquest I'm bothered about. I want to read "sorry that I made a fanbase of 800-1000 regular fans look like idiots in the national press based on the (alleged?) actions of 1 or 2 individuals when as a custodian of the club part of my role is to protect our reputation. Etc"
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Maybe to resolve this issue, if anyone is still upset by the chairman's comments, rather than post your displeasure on the forum, just speak to him personally?
Edited, abridged version here...
no one should be obliged to personally seek him out. It went in print, so his apology (which I'm sure on reflection he understands is due) should come in print.
this was the point I was trying to make thanks . It's in the public realm now and needs to be closed in the public realm
Which may or mat not be legally permissible. For example if the alleged perpetrator is below the age of legal responsibility.
that's fine then .. it could read .. can not be named for legal reasons
Simple
Or .. no further action was taken etc etc
I'm not asking for names and addresses.. I'm asking for closure
It's not the inquest I'm bothered about. I want to read "sorry that I made a fanbase of 800-1000 regular fans look like idiots in the national press based on the (alleged?) actions of 1 or 2 individuals when as a custodian of the club part of my role is to protect our reputation. Etc"
Sadly the chances of that are less likely than him sacking a manager
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Me too. Really not happy about it but totally not expecting any kind of apology as that does not seem to be the Chairman's style unfortunately. A bit of humility would not go amiss sometimes.
Edited to add last night was the first time I've not bought a program as I'm not happy with the comments about the fans in the last one.
It's not the inquest I'm bothered about. I want to read "sorry that I made a fanbase of 800-1000 regular fans look like idiots in the national press based on the (alleged?) actions of 1 or 2 individuals when as a custodian of the club part of my role is to protect our reputation. Etc"
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Does anybody have a reproduction of last nights math programme notes by the chairman?
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Does anybody have a reproduction of last nights math programme notes by the chairman?
"For every action there's an equal and opposite reaction" ;)
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I didn't realise the chairman was called Isaac
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All well and good telling us to go and speak to the board. But, i was mocked and ridiculued by andrew shawe the last time I attempted that.
My view is Graham, Karen and co would be best heading up our community structhre. They've done an excellent job running that side of it.
I'd like our board to issue a quartley or month update on what they do. Chester's board do. I dont doubt they work hard but perhaps it'd allow us to see what they do and don't do in order to plug gaps.
Our board needs a professional PR or communication person on the board asap. Perhaps we offer a position to the MD of PR firm. Manc Frank? Social Chain? Manchester Jazz Festival offered one to my ex-boss. He hated Jazz and yet took it because he wanted to learn more about charities and trusts etc.
Margret Thatcher - love or hate put people who knew more than her in charge of that role. Maybe it s time we did the same.
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Some good ideas Jack
Others are weekly twitter updates or quick videos depending on communication style
I do agree a quarterly meeting or update with the fans and board would be really good
The worry would be doing one now it would be hostile given all the above
But if done right and regular it would open up new channels of communication
Also fans could submit questions via email or twitter etc prior to the meeting and answer them accordingly etc
I have some experience in comms but I am by no means an expert but these things would be really positive
And like you say It may make us appreciate more what they all do and what role they play etc
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You could then share minutes of the meetings for exiles etc x
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Other ideas are spend a day with the board... coffee meetings etc
Let's get some flip charts out and brainstorm I'm bursting with ideas