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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Stan Hibbert on August 17, 2016, 07:08:57 AM
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The guy has to go.
He has proven in the 11 games in which he has been at the helm (in which we have won only 1) that he has not got a clue what he's doing.
He didn't have a clue when he had his clear out and he hasn't got a clue as to where to play the players he has brought in. Moult at LB for god's sake. What's all that about?
Not a single player he has brought in is better than what we we let go and most are far worse.
Whether we lost 6-0 or 1-0 last night the fact that we looked awful as a team was the most startling thing. We were clueless and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing.
We need to distance ourself from this man before he ruins our club.
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I'm not saying young out but with the mass changes and no deasey it has
Put altrincham in danger on and off the pitch
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The guy has to go.
He has proven in the 11 games in which he has been at the helm (in which we have won only 1) that he has not got a clue what he's doing.
He didn't have a clue when he had his clear out and he hasn't got a clue as to where to play the players he has brought in. Moult at LB for god's sake. What's all that about?
Not a single player he has brought in is better than what we we let go and most are far worse.
Whether we lost 6-0 or 1-0 last night the fact that we looked awful as a team was the most startling thing. We were clueless and still wouldn't have scored if we were still playing.
We need to distance ourself from this man before he ruins our club.
Like others on here, I have refrained from commenting about the manager on the basis of allowing him to prove his worth. Well 11 games is sufficient and he has proved his worth. If we add his track record at Stockport into the mix, I agree with most of the above. He is worthless. As for players, I think Hannigan and Cyrus could be considered a good pairing but last night Cyrus was as bad as the rest. Patterson is half-decent too. All the other newcomers can be shipped out, not on loan, but permanently. The fact that James Lawrie is our stand-out player says it all really, particularly when some of us (me included) were amazed that he'd been retained ahead of some of the others. I always thought Sinnott was clueless but this bloke takes "clueless " to dizzy heights.
I doubt if quality players will want to come to Alty and play for this fella either. So we are stuck with this shower, to be followed by the next shower, and the next.....etc. The mire we are in now is considerably deeper and browner than at the end of last season. Directors, grow some balls and get shut now.
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a clueless performance and young did not respond quick enough, let's hope we can turn this around quickly otherwise I fear for the future
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Over reaction and unfair I feel. Yes it was dreadful, if this continues I'd agree, however, its a one off result - we were competitive at halifax and harrogate and should have beaten darlington, that has not all suddenly disappeared.
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It is too early for that last night was a freak result although we were poor fylde would have beaten most conf national sides and a few from league 2
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I hate to say "I told you so", but I was vilified on here for suggesting we needed to consolidate as much as possible with the squad we had.
Clearing the decks works 1 time in 10 at this level, and when it does work, it's normally like Cheltenham last season where they had one of the biggest budgets around. We don't.
Football is a simple game over-complicated by idiots - Sinnott had his moments, but this fella is ridiculous.
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Too soon for this sort of post
However we have numerous fans stating we urgently need players
We will be in Sept soon and we don't have a settled squad and some poor decisions made all ready
We have more coaching staff than ever so in theory we should be brilliantly set up by now
It all feels pretty amateur at the moment
Neil has gone on record just days ago saying we can compete with the big boys at this level ... time to prove it
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Sinnott said every season give it eight games for a squad to gel.
We've played the 4 sides I expect to be in the playoffs
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I'm inclined to agree based on the fact that last night's tactical errors were things that every fan in attendance found glaringly obvious.
However now is time for Young and Jones to prove their worth. Three points at Gainsborough an absolute must.
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Over reaction and unfair I feel. Yes it was dreadful, if this continues I'd agree, however, its a one off result - we were competitive at halifax and harrogate and should have beaten darlington, that has not all suddenly disappeared.
we lost 0-6 at home in regional football, nothing is an over reaction
Acceptance of sh*t is what got us into this mess in the first place
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Sinnott said every season give it eight games for a squad to gel.
We've played the 4 sides I expect to be in the playoffs
so everything ok then? 0-6 defeats acceptable because the team still needs to gel?
Why you quoting Sinnott now?
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The worst game at moss lane since I started watching Alty in 1979. He must act and get a goalkeeper now! Of the players he has brought in only three come up to scratch (Patterson,Cyrus, and Hannigan.). It is desperate to play your coach at left back when they said he wouldn't play much. He is to slow. Why have a centre half sat on the bench when we needed one on the pitch. Very strange. Just not good enough.
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I hate to say "I told you so", but I was vilified on here for suggesting we needed to consolidate as much as possible with the squad we had.
Clearing the decks works 1 time in 10 at this level, and when it does work, it's normally like Cheltenham last season where they had one of the biggest budgets around. We don't.
Football is a simple game over-complicated by idiots - Sinnott had his moments, but this fella is ridiculous.
I was in exactly the same boat for being negative right from the off and predicting an 18th at best finish but after seeing what Young did at Stockport I just couldn't see anything positive about the appointment and the squad he has assembled. I actually said to Cult the week after Tolson was sacked, "please don't let Neil Young anywhere near our club"!
Why on earth we have signed players released by, at the time, poor Chester, Stockport and Southport sides? At least when Sinnott took over a number of his signings had had reasonable seasons prior to joining us. I know he signed a few duds in his time but I don't think any of them measure up to some of the current squad.
Another worrying thing is that I wonder if the fella has forgotten how to win a football game. If we don't avoid defeat on Saturday, and I'll be highly surprised if we do, then Young will have completed 21 games with one win, that's half a Conference North season. If that's not relegation form I don't know what is!
Oh and I wonder what his contacts are like at The Etihad as I believe they have a keeper looking to go out on loan!!!!
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Sinnott said every season give it eight games for a squad to gel.
We've played the 4 sides I expect to be in the playoffs
so everything ok then? 0-6 defeats acceptable because the team still needs to gel?
Why you quoting Sinnott now?
Because Sinnott was a good manager for a good majority of his time here.
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Sinnott said every season give it eight games for a squad to gel.
We've played the 4 sides I expect to be in the playoffs
so everything ok then? 0-6 defeats acceptable because the team still needs to gel?
Why you quoting Sinnott now?
Because Sinnott was a good manager for a good majority of his time here.
Yep.
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Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Sinnott justify running with a small squad so at least we could get some quality players in? To be honest this worked pretty well until it all went pear-shaped last season but it's a policy I'm much more in favour of than Young's "quantity rather than quality" methods.
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As terrible as last night was, he needs longer than 4 league games.
Much more of last night though and people may stop bothering to pay and watch...
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Eastleigh have sacked Chris told already
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i remember a manager getting sacked early in the season(cannot remeber his name),sometime in the early 70s and we ended up with the best team in FOOTBALL once the new manager found his feet
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One thing that keeps cropping up is this question of why we got rid of most of last seasons players
Why didn't we keep this player, why release that player etc etc - Have people not got it yet ? It is the budget cut that comes with relegation
We could have kept Clee, Havern, Marshall, Leather, Rankine, Deasy, Moult, Reeves, Richman, Densmore of course if we wanted to, but doubt any of us would be happy with a 12 man squad + youths
I suspect they had to go - NYs job is to build a team that matches the budget - not sure he has - but we will see after ten games
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I disagree that ALL those players had to go. Tim was desperate to stay and I doubt his wage would have amounted to Dawber and Prestons combined - with the added bonus that he is actually a keeper. The manager also chose to offer lesser terms to players like Ranks, so he could bring in duplicates like Hobson and Hattersley who cannot score. I get most of the departures, but perhaps there were one or two too many.
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I'd rather a small squad that if stayed fit had a chance of getting us up, over a large squad that has no chance of getting us up.
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I don't disagree Brinners / Stockport............maybe more of a balance; old versus new / quality versus quantity was needed.
My point was; and I heard it on the terraces last night as well, in the answer to the question / moans of "why haven't we kept all the good players from Conf National to get us straight back up from Conf North", it is because we could not afford to. The point seems lost on some
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Putting aside the rel3vqnt point about finance, its alsomfaitbto say that had NY kept last seaons players he'd have critic7sed onnhere for sticking with the failures that took us down.
Pressure on NY, the players and the club to bounce back V Gainsborough.
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The majority of signings NY has made are not up to standard and I'm sure there must've been better options out there in the summer.
Goodall-A good midfielder
Hannigan-Quality
Cyrus-Raw but has potential
Patterson-Steady
Lynch-Steady
Dawber-Wank
Preston-Wank
Charlton-Wank
Joyce-Wank
Menagh-Wank
Hobson-Wank
Hattersley-Wank
Miller-Wank
Hasler Cregg-Unknown
If I've missed anyone they must be Super Wank to have slipped my memory!
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Patterson has been more than steady. I felt he was our only player last night who would have had a shot of being in Fylde's team! To be fair to young Joyce, at least he kept the ball down and played to feet when he came on- a decent enough squad player. NY's signings have been a bit hit or miss, with the keepers and strikers being the major cock ups.
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To be fair I'm sure Young himself will be feeling the pressure more than anyone.
If he departs Alty on a bad note after getting the boot at County, it'll be a while (if at all) before he's offered a good Conference North gig again.
Being an exile I've still not seen a match this season so can't comment on all these new players. To be fair I don't think many doubted the wisdom of a wide scale clear out over the summer after our spineless relegation last season and the first 3 games against sides who will all finish in the top 10 were decent points for me. Clearly last night even allowing for the high class of the opposition was a total shambles and Young has held his hands up and 4 games in you have to give him time.
However, if we've made allowances for the first 4 games then the next two there can be no messing about. The fans have stayed loyal over the last 12 months of rubbish but it's time now the players bucked their ideas up and started delivering some wins.
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Lets not panic hey guys, we are only three games in with a brand new squad. as they are finding their feet and learning to play together this was always a possibility. When you see how Fylde played so early in the season, I would rather have met them October/November when we have been together a little longer. All has been said by Neil, who was more shocked than we were and it has not been easy for him with all the slatings on the site. He has taken a gamble I know, but I back him up until he had had more chance to prove himself. Losing Tom to injury has not helped either as the two centre backs had a good thing going. Typical of our luck recently that.
One swallow does not make a summer, and likewise the team will want to come back from that and prove themselves, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I believe in them and you all should too, put it right on Saturday lads, and show us what we know you are capable of.
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I know the Fylde game was totally unforgettable but you seem to have wiped it from your memory....we have played four games.
I admire your optimism and truly hope the players can respond and get a positive result on Saturday but to be honest I'd be very surprised to see us get a win unless we can become a lot more creative. After watching all the home games, pre-season and league, I reckon I can count the number of shots we've had in these games on my fingers.
Although I don't rate any of the wingers he has signed, he has to play a couple of them on Saturday and get some width into the team. The number of times Patterson has been running down the wing trying to take two or three opposing players on as there is no one near him offering an option. A full back shouldn't be doing that!
You say to believe in them but I've seen absolutely nothing to be able to do that. I agree with Blind Bat's assessments of the squad although I would put Lynch in the majority category.
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I'm normally very very positive but these last few months have been hard
We are yet to win in a lower league
We last won on the 23rd April giving us some silly hopes before being crushed
And we have only won 2 of our last 22 competive games
Thoroughly depressing
Time for a win please alty
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, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I don't want to knock you Steve but this just sounds like a cliche that you haven't thought through.
What basis do you have for this phrase exactly? I seem to remember being told a few times last year how much the players cared/were hurting etc and it turns out most of them weren't.
I'm sure there's some dented pride about but to suggest some footballers who have been here for 6 weeks are hurting more than lads I've watched Alty with for nearly 30 years is complete bollocks really.
That said, they at least have the opportunity to prove you correct, starting on Saturday.
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Lets not panic hey guys, we are only three games in with a brand new squad. as they are finding their feet and learning to play together this was always a possibility. When you see how Fylde played so early in the season, I would rather have met them October/November when we have been together a little longer. All has been said by Neil, who was more shocked than we were and it has not been easy for him with all the slatings on the site. He has taken a gamble I know, but I back him up until he had had more chance to prove himself. Losing Tom to injury has not helped either as the two centre backs had a good thing going. Typical of our luck recently that.
One swallow does not make a summer, and likewise the team will want to come back from that and prove themselves, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I believe in them and you all should too, put it right on Saturday lads, and show us what we know you are capable of.
this was always a possibility? What losing 0-6 at home?
It's a total shambles, we're not good enough
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He has to go now. End of.
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Agreed. As I said the other day, if we didn't win today that's half a season in this league and Young has managed one win. In the relegation places now and we will stay there with this clown.
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He makes Sinnott look like a managerial god. He must one or two results of the sack. There is no goals in this team, like someone said if we are relying on Jimmy to score our goals then we are in big trouble ( even though he has played quite well ). Really depressing times to be an Alty fan.
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But has the Board got the balls to sack him? We don't like to do that sort of thing do we! At least Young did the honourable thing and walked at County but we will be dead and buried if we have to wait as long as they did.
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The writing is on the wall if you have a squad of 23 players and you feel the need to bring in a couple of new lads who signed less than 24 hours ago and who go straight into the team. What does that say about the rest of them? Where the hell have they all gone? Cregg, Charlton, Cain etc. Is this some kind of bad joke? Is NY a Macclesfield fan or something?
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25 signed players! More than last 3 years combined. Not chance of gelling an 11 even if they were good enough.
5th game in and 3 loan players used plus a coach. Clearly knows the signings arnt up to it.
Bit of a mess.
Sinnin
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The board have to shoulder some/most of the blame for appointing such an inept manager. Sinnott did ok but Tolson and Young are both clueless. Young just isn't up to it just like most of the players he's brought in. Get rid now!!!!!!!!!
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As previous totally inept manager. I gave the Board the benefit when they gave him the job, his records speaks for itself, always been sacked. Ha may speak the speak but his CV says it all get rid before he blows the whole season for us, this team could take us down never mind up!
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Very similar memories of the Kilkline co management escapade. Can we just get a manager in please, this guy stinks.
I'm as sick as anyone about hearing about ex players. But what about ex managers? Sams dad anyone?
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Some players show hope in one game then go to pot in the next game
If young goes we have one he'll of a jigsaw puzzle to work out
Or we get rid of the hole squad and start again
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Lets not panic hey guys, we are only three games in with a brand new squad. as they are finding their feet and learning to play together this was always a possibility. When you see how Fylde played so early in the season, I would rather have met them October/November when we have been together a little longer. All has been said by Neil, who was more shocked than we were and it has not been easy for him with all the slatings on the site. He has taken a gamble I know, but I back him up until he had had more chance to prove himself. Losing Tom to injury has not helped either as the two centre backs had a good thing going. Typical of our luck recently that.
One swallow does not make a summer, and likewise the team will want to come back from that and prove themselves, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I believe in them and you all should too, put it right on Saturday lads, and show us what we know you are capable of.
Hmm ::) can we panic yet Steve or shall we remain positive all the way to the EvoStik? The whole club is a shambles and us fans are being sh*t on. The most loyal fans in non league football no less. Board with no balls, manager with no clue and most of the squad aren't up to it.
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Lets not panic hey guys, we are only three games in with a brand new squad. as they are finding their feet and learning to play together this was always a possibility. When you see how Fylde played so early in the season, I would rather have met them October/November when we have been together a little longer. All has been said by Neil, who was more shocked than we were and it has not been easy for him with all the slatings on the site. He has taken a gamble I know, but I back him up until he had had more chance to prove himself. Losing Tom to injury has not helped either as the two centre backs had a good thing going. Typical of our luck recently that.
One swallow does not make a summer, and likewise the team will want to come back from that and prove themselves, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I believe in them and you all should too, put it right on Saturday lads, and show us what we know you are capable of.
Hmm ::) can we panic yet Steve or shall we remain positive all the way to the EvoStik? The whole club is a shambles and us fans are being sh*t on. The most loyal fans in non league football no less. Board with no balls, manager with no clue and most of the squad aren't up to it.
Spot on >:( >:(
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Lets not panic hey guys, we are only three games in with a brand new squad. as they are finding their feet and learning to play together this was always a possibility. When you see how Fylde played so early in the season, I would rather have met them October/November when we have been together a little longer. All has been said by Neil, who was more shocked than we were and it has not been easy for him with all the slatings on the site. He has taken a gamble I know, but I back him up until he had had more chance to prove himself. Losing Tom to injury has not helped either as the two centre backs had a good thing going. Typical of our luck recently that.
One swallow does not make a summer, and likewise the team will want to come back from that and prove themselves, nobody is hurting harder than they are.
I believe in them and you all should too, put it right on Saturday lads, and show us what we know you are capable of.
Hmm ::) can we panic yet Steve or shall we remain positive all the way to the EvoStik? The whole club is a shambles and us fans are being sh*t on. The most loyal fans in non league football no less. Board with no balls, manager with no clue and most of the squad aren't up to it.
excellent post
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I can't find a single positive from today. Gainsborough were mediocre at best but still turned us over. I blame Dawber at least 75% for the first goal, but he had no chance with the second after Cyrus f**ked up royally.
Lynch was lucky to get away with a yellow for a shocking foul. He works hard but he's not up to this level. Cyrus isn't half the player without Hannigan. Lawrie worked his socks off but tried too much fancy stuff then lost possession. The young striker looked good for 20 minutes then faded.....but when Young took him and Heathcote off he brought on midfield players. I used to worry about Sinnott's substitutions but this guy takes it to a whole new level. I'm not even sure why he subbed Sam who'd been less poor than others.
I'd send Sumner back tonight....Charlton would have probably put more in. Reeves yet again received little service, but missed the only half decent chance that came his way.
Patterson and Moult were the only ones who I don't offer criticism of.
Young and his management team have to go, and soon. At the moment I could only write 6 names on the team sheet for Saturday.....nobody else is up to the mark or is ill/injured.
Mark my words we are already in a relegation dogfight. I can't see where the next win will come from.....even Curzon must looking forward to turning us over. It's a nightmare.
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The match report on the main sight is very depressing no hope. curzon might give us a game
As for kiddy no chance
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Just returned home from the game.
Very very very poor. We didn't have a shot on target, the closest we came was a chip from the halfway line!
Started ok and looked competitive in a first half with no chances in it.
Second half was embarrassing, never even looked like getting back into it after going behind.
Very few positives at all.
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I think there'll be a sub 500 crowd for the loss to Curzon and then even our spineless chairman will have to do something.
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I think there'll be a sub 500 crowd for the loss to Curzon and then even our spineless chairman will have to do something.
Not yet but keep losing and it could happen , I think there will be 800 minimum for curzon probably more
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I think there'll be a sub 500 crowd for the loss to Curzon and then even our spineless chairman will have to do something.
No need to have a dig at the chairman is there? Give him a break man.
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Why not? Did the manager appoint himself? Do you think the chairman will have the guts to end this farce now? I don't.
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It's down to the manager though isn't it? We were all ready to give Young a chance at least and so was the chairman.
I've given him 10 games to make an impression as I believe all managers deserve that but it's not looking good at the moment. I believe the chairman will do what has to be done if it comes down to it though...There's a difference between struggling in the national and floundering in the North.
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I think there'll be a sub 500 crowd for the loss to Curzon and then even our spineless chairman will have to do something.
There's no way on earth a Saturday Bank Holiday Weekend game will see an attendance that low. Curzon will bring 50-100 as well.
My biggest concern is that the prophecies of the Stockport fans are beginning to be fulfilled. All the talk about Neil Young playing lads out of position, about running with an unnecessarily big squad, about operating with a conveyor belt of loan signings... It all seems perfectly reasonable at this point
The man has signed players, and despite talking incredibly highly of them at the time, they've gone on to be virtually non existent in our games this season. Charlton, Menagh and Miller being the main three. I know for a fact Hasler-Cregg is still working his way back to fitness though.
Cyrus, Hannigan and Patterson are the only signings that have reached the standard I expect of this club.
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Reading the reports of people at the game it makes me so sad
What a very sad state of affairs
We deserve much better than this
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A friend of mine at the match today has just texted me to say it's the worst Alty team he has ever seen. It's heartbreaking to see stuff like that and it makes you wonder where we go from here. I saw us get a very streaky point at Harrogate and I was worried then.
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Isn't Jim Harvey out of a job? Surely worth a phone call from the board?
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I think there'll be a sub 500 crowd for the loss to Curzon and then even our spineless chairman will have to do something.
There's no way on earth a Saturday Bank Holiday Weekend game will see an attendance that low. Curzon will bring 50-100 as well.
My biggest concern is that the prophecies of the Stockport fans are beginning to be fulfilled. All the talk about Neil Young playing lads out of position, about running with an unnecessarily big squad, about operating with a conveyor belt of loan signings... It all seems perfectly reasonable at this point
The man has signed players, and despite talking incredibly highly of them at the time, they've gone on to be virtually non existent in our games this season. Charlton, Menagh and Miller being the main three. I know for a fact Hasler-Cregg is still working his way back to fitness though.
Cyrus, Hannigan and Patterson are the only signings that have reached the standard I expect of this club.
Exactly why I said I was totally underwhelmed by the appointment. Surely the Board must have been aware of the almighty cock-up he made of the County job and to not go anywhere near him.
He talked highly of players but to be honest it only took me a couple of friendlies to realise that the majority were crap. We need him and his coaches out now along with the rest of the players bar the three you mentioned as being up to standard.
We can't afford to give him 10 games.....that's a quarter of the season. We need to take action now and give a new manager a decent chance.
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I have a feeling that even at this early stage of the season Young has lost the dressing room,and if that is the case it is time for the Chairman to act NOW..
The manager stated he would look at the disater last Tuesday and address things,clearly the message has not got through to the players.
I dont ofton post on here but a message to the Chairman,Act Now before it is to late,us the fans (your bread and butter)deserve better we have been through
the highs and lows,and right now we are pretty near rock bottom.
A DOUBLE RELEGATION IS NOT AN OPTION
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Isn't Jim Harvey out of a job? Surely worth a phone call from the board?
That is an excellent shout!
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Not posted for years but Neil Young needs to go, warned about him by a Stockport fan at work but was willing to him a chance but I'm afraid the man is clueless. Other than Patterson who I think has been good his signings have been dreadful. Worrying thing is he doesn't even seem to have a plan a to win a football match never mind a plan b.
Agree with everything Cheadle Hulme has said on the matter. Mr Rowley get rid now so we still have a chance of saving our season, unfortunately think he'll be given the friendly AFC benefit of the doubt and will still be here next summer.
Fuming/disappointed/gutted Alty fan.
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Not posted for years but Neil Young needs to go, warned about him by a Stockport fan at work but was willing to him a chance but I'm afraid the man is clueless. Other than Patterson who I think has been good his signings have been dreadful. Worrying thing is he doesn't even seem to have a plan a to win a football match never mind a plan b.
Agree with everything Cheadle Hulme has said on the matter. Mr Rowley get rid now so we still have a chance of saving our season, unfortunately think he'll be given the friendly AFC benefit of the doubt and will still be here next summer.
Fuming/disappointed/gutted Alty fan.
Couldn't agree more. That is half the issue. Far too nice of a club. Should we be a community club or a successful one on the pitch. Chairman needs to sort it. The likes of Crawley Fleetwood Burton etc when they were non league didn't bang on about being for the community. They weren't liked by anyone except their own fans but look at them now. We can't say our fans are happy at the moment.
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
stop asking questions about the mens team, stick to the ladies team and your own imposed exile
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
Now I think I've got this right but didn't Neil Tolson have a job with the first team, which he hasn't got anymore and didn't leave it by his own choice? In my book that's a sacking, assuming we didn't give the waster a redundancy payoff!!
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This is alty, we are on the way to oblivion, so damaging, come on, time to act and save the club
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This is probably blatantly obvious, but let's make sure we don't end up throwing the baby out with the bath water, yeah?
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
If you can name another football club on the planet that would use a significant transfer fee to build a 'community sports hall' rather than invest it into players or coaching staff then I will accept your point about not aiming to be a community club. In relation to your second question I think your use of the words 'in theory' speak volumes. You yourself think we can't be both otherwise you wouldn't use 'in theory' And your third point has been answered perfectly by Cheadle Hulme Alty. In short, the paying community at the community club think it's a bag of sh*t right now. I probably wouldn't be so quick to moan if I didn't have to pay to watch sh*t performance after sh*t performance. Would you actually pay to watch what's on offer at the moment in an entertainment business?
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
If you can name another football club on the planet that would use a significant transfer fee to build a 'community sports hall' rather than invest it into players or coaching staff then I will accept your point about not aiming to be a community club. In relation to your second question I think your use of the words 'in theory' speak volumes. You yourself think we can't be both otherwise you wouldn't use 'in theory' And your third point has been answered perfectly by Cheadle Hulme Alty. In short, the paying community at the community club think it's a bag of sh*t right now. I probably wouldn't be so quick to moan if I didn't have to pay to watch sh*t performance after sh*t performance. Would you actually pay to watch what's on offer at the moment in an entertainment business?
If you are asking which other clubs would invest money in building a facility which makes the club more income over a longer period of time then the answer is: a lot.
Aside from the community aspect, the CSH has improved club income streams massively because of the better bar and food preparation facilities. Club volunteers know how much extra money it is making this club.
I'm sick of people slagging it off just because the first team is sh*t.
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Just wondering a couple of things.
Firstly when has anyone said that we are aiming to be a community club rather than a successful football club. (Incidentally the two are not inexorably connected)
Secondly, why, in theory, couldn't we be both?
And thirdly a clarification - Neil Tolson Wasn't sacked. To lose a job you have to have had it in the first place. He was a caretaker whose tenure was not continued
If you can name another football club on the planet that would use a significant transfer fee to build a 'community sports hall' rather than invest it into players or coaching staff then I will accept your point about not aiming to be a community club. In relation to your second question I think your use of the words 'in theory' speak volumes. You yourself think we can't be both otherwise you wouldn't use 'in theory' And your third point has been answered perfectly by Cheadle Hulme Alty. In short, the paying community at the community club think it's a bag of sh*t right now. I probably wouldn't be so quick to moan if I didn't have to pay to watch sh*t performance after sh*t performance. Would you actually pay to watch what's on offer at the moment in an entertainment business?
If you are asking which other clubs would invest money in building a facility which makes the club more income over a longer period of time then the answer is: a lot.
Aside from the community aspect, the CSH has improved club income streams massively because of the better bar and food preparation facilities. Club volunteers know how much extra money it is making this club.
I'm sick of people slagging it off just because the first team is sh*t.
At least we can have a decent pint and some nice food while we entertain the likes of Mickleover Sports and Rushall Olympic.
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For those who don't understand the concept, we can now re invest our additional food and bar revenue into the playing squad. If we had poured all our money at the time into the playing squad it would be long gone and we would have even less money week to week.
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For those who don't understand the concept, we can now re invest our additional food and bar revenue into the playing squad. If we had poured all our money at the time into the playing squad it would be long gone and we would have even less money week to week.
very true and just becouse the team is rubbish let's not tear the ground down
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People are getting nostalgic about ex managers and ex players, I gather most people on here didn't see it take last years shower of sh*t 3 and a half hours to scrape past a southern league side in the FAT. The form after Christmas was abysmal, and we need to move forward not backwards. The management needs to stop over complicating things, sign an adult keeper and just play a 4-4-2 with a winger or two, and get a settled side and some continuity. Appreciate hannigans injury has come at a bad bad time but just get a back four (yesterday's) and let them play together at least until Hannigan is fit. Use Charlton and or menegh as wide men, it's a simple game at this level. I can Guarantee if they play
Patterson--Cyrus---Heathcote--sumner
Menagh----Moult---Goodhall------Charlton/BHC
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........................Reeves...Lawrie/Bell
They'd beat curzon next Saturday
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People are getting nostalgic about ex managers and ex players, I gather most people on here didn't see it take last years shower of sh*t 3 and a half hours to scrape past a southern league side in the FAT. The form after Christmas was abysmal, and we need to move forward not backwards. The management needs to stop over complicating things, sign an adult keeper and just play a 4-4-2 with a winger or two, and get a settled side and some continuity. Appreciate hannigans injury has come at a bad bad time but just get a back four (yesterday's) and let them play together at least until Hannigan is fit. Use Charlton and or menegh as wide men, it's a simple game at this level. I can Guarantee if they play
Patterson--Cyrus---Heathcote--sumner
Menagh----Moult---Goodhall------Charlton/BHC
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........................Reeves...Lawrie/Bell
They'd beat curzon next Saturday
This
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For those who don't understand the concept, we can now re invest our additional food and bar revenue into the playing squad. If we had poured all our money at the time into the playing squad it would be long gone and we would have even less money week to week.
I totally understand the concept,I'm not thick but if we had invested a bit into the playing squad perhaps we wouldn't be relegation fodder in Conference North! Also I'm not sure much is getting re invested into the playing squad at present unless NY has decided to bring a load of sh*t in for a laugh?!
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For those who don't understand the concept, we can now re invest our additional food and bar revenue into the playing squad. If we had poured all our money at the time into the playing squad it would be long gone and we would have even less money week to week.
so why has the playing budget been so drastically slashed if the community hall is such a cash generator for us? Where the money going, because it isn't going into the team?
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I don't know the ins and outs of every aspect of the club's finances. My statement is simply that the CSH is a long term asset and money maker for the club. You yourself have praised it in the past Meat Ball.
IMO, Young is running too big a squad to assure quality, hence the current state of the squad.
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If you are asking which other clubs would invest money in building a facility which makes the club more income over a longer period of time then the answer is: a lot.
Aside from the community aspect, the CSH has improved club income streams massively because of the better bar and food preparation facilities. Club volunteers know how much extra money it is making this club.
I'm sick of people slagging it off just because the first team is sh*t.
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Maybe they slag it off because their view from the seat they have sat in for x number of years in the main stand is restricted to only 2/3 of the pitch. Yet another way to p*ss off the paying punters. It won't make the club more income over a longer period if there are no fans to use it
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With the number of players now in the squad money is going on players not sure if those who have signed but don't play get paid.
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If the CSH is making money and it's being re-invested into the playing squad what is the need for the 'spare change' collections at half time? And whoever is in charge of re-investing the money into the playing squad is awful at their job
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People are getting nostalgic about ex managers and ex players, I gather most people on here didn't see it take last years shower of sh*t 3 and a half hours to scrape past a southern league side in the FAT. The form after Christmas was abysmal, and we need to move forward not backwards. The management needs to stop over complicating things, sign an adult keeper and just play a 4-4-2 with a winger or two, and get a settled side and some continuity. Appreciate hannigans injury has come at a bad bad time but just get a back four (yesterday's) and let them play together at least until Hannigan is fit. Use Charlton and or menegh as wide men, it's a simple game at this level. I can Guarantee if they play
Patterson--Cyrus---Heathcote--sumner
Menagh----Moult---Goodhall------Charlton/BHC
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........................Reeves...Lawrie/Bell
They'd beat curzon next Saturday
you sure about that? It's pretty bold to be gauranteeing wins at the moment?
I don't share your optimism, Curzon are a far better side than us
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Yes, play a proper 4-4-2 formation instead of this narrow nonsense and we'd win
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I don't share your optimism, Curzon are a far better side than us
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Based on what?
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
Richman and Densmore are contracted (I think) ............so 17
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Yes, play a proper 4-4-2 formation instead of this narrow nonsense and we'd win
I think your gloriously missing the point that the players aren't good enough whatever formation we play
We're an evostick team at best
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
We need to get rid of more than 10 players! Out of the 12 mentioned in that line up I don't think Menagh,Charlton or BHC are good enough. I'm prepared to give Sumner more than one game but he didn't convince me yesterday.
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
We need to get rid of more than 10 players! Out of the 12 mentioned in that line up I don't think Menagh,Charlton or BHC are good enough. I'm prepared to give Sumner more than one game but he didn't convince me yesterday.
if they are contract , then they cant just be released
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
We need to get rid of more than 10 players! Out of the 12 mentioned in that line up I don't think Menagh,Charlton or BHC are good enough. I'm prepared to give Sumner more than one game but he didn't convince me yesterday.
if they are contract , then they can just be released
so we f**ked then
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
We need to get rid of more than 10 players! Out of the 12 mentioned in that line up I don't think Menagh,Charlton or BHC are good enough. I'm prepared to give Sumner more than one game but he didn't convince me yesterday.
if they are contract , then they can just be released
so we f**ked then
I'd say so. NY has built a team that would struggle to compete at Evo-Stick level never mind Conference North!
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Menagh, Charlton and Cregg have hardly been given a chance yet!
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I've been to 3 of the 5 games and other than Cyrus Goodall and Hannigan, I'd struggle to tell you whose featured outfield for us.
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100% agree with that team. Outside those 12 players and the 2 injured ones + Cain (that's 15 players), I'd be looking at getting rid of the other 10 asap and bringing in a proper adult keeper and proper experienced centre back cover for a month as a matter of some urgency.
We need to get rid of more than 10 players! Out of the 12 mentioned in that line up I don't think Menagh,Charlton or BHC are good enough. I'm prepared to give Sumner more than one game but he didn't convince me yesterday.
if they are contract , then they can just be released
so we f**ked then
depends on the type of contract
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I doubt that we will have many players contracted..............if we are correct to assume that NY's 'style' is to chop and change the playing staff throughout the season, then he would not want any players on contracts ?
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Be nice to know who's on what contract length.
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I see Guiseley have already sacked their joint management team after 5 defeats on the trot from the start of the season.
Food for thought there on taking quick action if required...
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I see Guiseley have already sacked their joint management team after 5 defeats on the trot from the start of the season.
Food for thought there on taking quick action if required...
Be good to get Danny Boshell back here
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I see Guiseley have already sacked their joint management team after 5 defeats on the trot from the start of the season.
Food for thought there on taking quick action if required...
Be good to get Danny Boshell back here
Yes he can bring Deasy, Clee and Rankine with him
(Ducks for cover )
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Only if they bring an investor or two with them.
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Can we please stop sagging off the CSH and the community side of the club. The team do a great job and would welcome additional support. The board has made mistakes but have done a great job over the years and has been said made us the envy of many non-leagues club off the field. However it is not for me to defend the board and the appointment of Tolson was extremely poor and the appointment of Young is still open for debate and how competitive his budget is is also not known. Let's not confuse the community and football sides though as it is unfair.
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BUMP. 'cos this needs to stay at the top!
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BUMP. 'cos this needs to stay at the top!
Puts it one up on the fkn team >:(
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Sack the joker at half time. Take your sh*t players and staff with you. Get someone in that knows what they are doing.
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F***ing Joke 😡😡
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F*** OFF NY, u clueless C***
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Driving from Curzon couldn't stand anymore,first time in 35 years I am embarrassed to support the player's.
Do the Board have any balls?
Get rid of this clueless man
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This man has no idea. Seems he brings in new players every week. The famous Altrincham Fc is quickly becoming forgotten and this manager is a bloody clown. Sack the manager. If he can't get Damian Reeves to score or in the team in this useless league when he has scored in the league above, shows the manager is no good. We should have seen what a mess he made at Stockport. I can't take this anymore please gives us or team back and some pride. YOUNG OUT NOW
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I'm sorry to say his position now looks untenable. Shocking situation! :(
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4-1 down he should be sacked before 5pm today or just do it now on the pitch he's a donkey manager
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This man has no idea. Seems he brings in new players every week. The famous Altrincham Fc is quickly becoming forgotten and this manager is a bloody clown. Sack the manager. If he can't get Damian Reeves to score or in the team in this useless league when he has scored in the league above, shows the manager is no good. We should have seen what a mess he made at Stockport. I can't take this anymore please gives us or team back and some pride. YOUNG OUT NOW
Not even Reevesy can score off the bench!!
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Get rid now Grahame, tonight, never mind bothering people for cash they haven't got, just do your job or leave till someone can. My football club is being ruined.
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Young out tonight. There are no alternatives. He is inept.
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This man is a joke......is he an agent working for Vics or the sheep shaggers?????
Sack him tonight
Get Steve Burr or Harvey in.....or someone who knows what they are doing.....
The man deemed only good enough to be on the bench has just scored a consolation goal....that's our top scorer......young....YOU DONT KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING....DO THE DECENT THING!
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I now have to agree, I am very tolerant, but I am sorry for the sake of the club we need a change of management urgently. In the last few games have witnessed the worst football ever in 40 years of watching the Robins.
It needs to improve or I will stop going. I will vote with my feet and money.
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Let's remember to keep this thread at the top please as we need him out ASAP.
Either that or we're going to be watching Alty v Radcliffe Boro on Boxing Day and NY Day next year.
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i think it will be November before he goes.I remember in the early 70s we had a poor manager and the fans stayed away till he was sacked,it was the only way the board would act back then.We then went on to be the best team in the country under the new manager
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I agree we have to keep pushing this Board seem to ignore the fans more interested in the community. If it takes an empty ground to make them act then that maybe the answer. Steve Burr may well be the answer at least he's honest
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Why am i not reading this morning that Young has gone????
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So NY is appointed by the board, god knows who else applied if he was the best and he clears out all the best players to bring in sh*t ones. The players he kept are sitting on the bench and every performance is far below standard. Loyal fans still pay their money to come and watch and are not respected by a board who aren't prepared to sack a manager who is clearly not good enough. The board are now taking the p*ss out of loyal fans. Just grow a pair and sack the man who is destroying the club who you claim you support.
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I am absolutely delighted that NY has gone.
Having had time to reflect, what now annoys me is the fact that one individual has caused absolute turmoil in such a short space of time and then p*ssed off leaving the carnage he's caused behind him.
He was appointed in June (?), it's now August, and look how worse off we are than we would have been had he not 'managed' us for 2/3 months.
It proves how easy it is for one man to ruin what so many good men have built up over the years. Quite frightening.
On the positive side, he's gone and we now rebuild.
Come on Alty, let's get us back where we were.
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In May. I thought NY was an ok appointment, though I had a few reservations about him. After a reasonable pre-season I was hopeful that Alty would be challenging for a play-off place. I didn't think things would go totally pear shaped as it has done. I don't normally agree with getting rid of managers after 6 games, but NY had lost the plot and had to go. I am disappointed things haven't worked out for everybody.
Personally I would give Dens a chance to stabilise the Alty ship while we attempt to make the right choice for the next appointment as manager.
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Agree with the last 2 posts .. organisation and motivation is key at the moment . Let's get the defence right first then build from there. Reeves will always score with the right service. So If we can stop leaking Goals and nick one in a game we can stem the tide of losses and turn them into draws and wins
I shared my thoughts on neil on another thread amazed how poor he was
Up the reds
One love
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Definitely glad he went. I wonder how things would look though if Hannigan hadnt got injured?
We may well be unravelling at a much slower pace and end up too far down the line to recover.
It shows just what a signature that lad was for the club. Shame about 15 of the others though because we seem to have him and Patterson to thank NY for, and the rest is as disasterous a management tenure we're ever likely to see at Moss Lane (please Alty dont make me eat those words!!!). We'd have had to sign another 45-60 players to end up with a decent 11!!!!!
We do need to stabilise at the back but surely the defense would be helped if we had a threat up front? Its absolutely paramount that from now on we build a team behind a happy Damien Reeves!!!