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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: Jezza on April 30, 2016, 08:35:44 PM
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I know gino is on loan btw...
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and Holness
So 2 of the first 10 voters would release Moult who 4 months ago we were worried would get poached by Barnsley!
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Haven leather Deasey Densmore and Reeves.
Haven and leather only playing at centre backs.
I would get rid of the rest of them.
Time for a massive clear out. No time for sentiment. Hard decisions to be made.
Get some lads in with big hearts and up for a battle.
We need cover for injuries not just a list of names on the bench. I feel for those young lads who didn't get a look in.
Most important we need a manager who has contacts in the local scene at all levels.
Haven't been to many games this season but reading your posts on here proves to me what a sh*t season we have had.
This fiasco could and should have been avoided. Not a good day to be a fan of Alty, but like most of you I will be there come August ready to go again.
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Did the person who didn't vote Deasy just forget or something?
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No James Lawrie?
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Im not inclined to vote as sadly a lack of inspirational leadership and direction has turned some players with potential and abilty to sh*te
Im off for a while hope you all enjoy the close season
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No James Lawrie?
Should be the first to be shown the door. Absolutely awful player. >:( >:(
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Deasy looked knackered and unable to kick a ball. Better options elsewhere.
Griffin seemed to have put more weight on and slower than the start of the season.
Leather was ok, but really should be in the centre. Reeves needs to come back fit for next season.
Lawrie may do a decent job in north, but not conference standard.
Rankine was probably changed and at the snack bar by the time the other players left the pitch.
Id look for
Densmore, leather, heathcote, Reeves & moult
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Which utter fools voted for griffin??!!??
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Holness and Lawrie's scores are artificially low as they were added after 20 people voted and so they can't vote for them even if they wanted too.
Who are the 4 on contract for next year?
I'd have:
Deasey
Densmore Leather Havern New
new moult new Clee
new
Reeves
Bench/ squad: Williams, Heathcote, Masha, savill, Sinnot Richman, new striker / no 10
Squad of 18 - ideally both striker and no 10 to get squad of 19 given Williams and Savill should be cheap
New CM must be a leader, some creativity other than Clee is a must for new no 10 and RM, Clee and masha on pay as you play until they prove their fitness, once they have played 6 x 90 minutes in say 7 matches then they get a contract like everyone else - must learn from last pre-season. New manager with some passion and able to get the most out of what is on the whole a decent set of players.
realistically though how can we expect next year's team to be better than this year's - can we really offload players who on the whole were good enough to stay in the national league last year and get replacements who are better and prepared to play in conf north for us when there is probably more money to be had elsewhere locally?
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Why anyone would keep Havern I don't know. All about opinions
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If Holness would stay Luca might have to go. I've not seen enough recent games to make a call, I'm just not confident that there are loads of better players out there
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They can all f**k off, embaressed yet again on national television. We weren't relegated today, but yet another spineless performance like so many we've seen this year. Shambles, clear the decks snd start again
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I see Silkmen 96 voted for NT as manager!
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I see Silkmen 96 voted for NT as manager!
He probably put a x in the box for NT but actually thought he was writing his name
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f**k you alty you let the fans down go f**k ya self
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Get rid of the lot f**kin shame on you alty
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Retain Deasy, Densmore, Leather, Holness (if possible), Richman, Moult, and Reeves.
Heathcote contracted - but would loan out, not good enough.
The rest can go. I'll get hammered for Lawrie - should have gone last season, and Haven - Just doesn't do it, and Griffin - beaten too many times by wingers.
Finally Sinnott... 1) doesn't want to be here, 2) at RB,too far off the line and gets beaten, 3) at RM, doesn't do enough consistently (Welling excepted)
If I missed anyone, it's because they're not good enough...
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I know he's totally forgettable but you've missed O'Keefe off the list. Mind you I wouldn't expect anyone would vote to keep him.
I agree with getting rid of most of the squad but one problem we will have next season is that we will be below a number of clubs, Stockport, Fylde, FCUM and Salford for example, in the pecking order for signing North West based players. All these clubs will be able to offer higher wages, bigger crowds to play in front of, TV appearance opportunities etc so we could be left searching for scraps again like last summer.
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No James Lawrie?
A luxury we can't afford.
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What we need is a completely fresh face as manager and a real roll up the sleeves hard nosed attitude. Things have gone stale and familiar and they need to be swept away.
There will be teams with bigger budgets next season but we will still be competitive. The board owe it to the fans to show intent, confidence, ambition. Ruthlessness even. The nice friendly community stuff is great off the pitch. We need to be bastards a bit more, football wise.
I just fear we will have a half arsed former player appointment and six of the current team starting in August.
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You're right to say that things have gone stale Bob. This is one of things that worried me, that the board could not see this happening in front of their very eyes.
Anyway, enough of banging that particular drum I suppose.
If you're asking about next seasons retained list, the first thing is it has to be players who want to be here. If anyone's not arsed then it's best they go. I think we've got some good players but the way I feel right now if I never saw most of them again I think id get over it!
For the record, I'd retain Deasy Densmore leather Heathcote Richman Moult Clee and Reeves. I'd get Luca, Masha and Holness in a room and find out which ones are desperate to stay then keep two of them.
Rankine has done well for us but conference north teams love aerial battles and I think he'd be less effective.
I'm not sure who on earth cited to keep Crowther by the way.
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Ballers - the telling thing about the 8 names on your retained list is that 7 of the 8 names were at the club last time we were in conf north (9 out of 11 if you include the 3 centre backs). I don't think any sane person would disagree with your choices. It puts into stark focus the paucity of our recruitment policy over the last 2 years.
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Ballers - the telling thing about the 8 names on your retained list is that 7 of the 8 names were at the club last time we were in conf north (9 out of 11 if you include the 3 centre backs). I don't think any sane person would disagree with your choices. It puts into stark focus the paucity of our recruitment policy over the last 2 years.
That's a good point but it suggests the budget is the issue, we can afford CN players but step up a level and we struggle to attract. So if we cannot afford the necessary wages while others can, why is that? Not talking about your "big" teams here with large gates but we haven't done bad recently, two years averaging over 1200. Do all the others go sh*t or bust?
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No James Lawrie?
Should be the first to be shown the door. Absolutely awful player. >:( >:(
Not an awful player. He's technically one of the best, just so inconsistent and not enough fight
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Ballers - the telling thing about the 8 names on your retained list is that 7 of the 8 names were at the club last time we were in conf north (9 out of 11 if you include the 3 centre backs). I don't think any sane person would disagree with your choices. It puts into stark focus the paucity of our recruitment policy over the last 2 years.
That's a good point but it suggests the budget is the issue, we can afford CN players but step up a level and we struggle to attract. So if we cannot afford the necessary wages while others can, why is that? Not talking about your "big" teams here with large gates but we haven't done bad recently, two years averaging over 1200. Do all the others go sh*t or bust?
This was a problem from kick off back in August - best 11 at the clu b was virtually the Conf North play off final team - two seasons and squad not strengthened at all - its why we are back in the north
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I would keep Deasey, Dens, Havern, Leather, Marshall ( if he can keep fit ), Moult, Richman, Clee, Crowther ( if he man's up with his injuries ), Reeves, Rankine ( if he loses his attitude and weight). If we could get Holness then he would be a good addition and give us 4 good centre backs.
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Crowther? You must be joking.
Ranks has a bad back. I like the guy, but that is hardly likely to get better in Conference North! I can see someone like Tony Gray joining.
4 centre backs? Absolutely no chance of that - we are not Fleetwood. Leather and Holness would be good, while assessing Masha's fitness.
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I would keep Deasey, Dens, Havern, Leather, Marshall ( if he can keep fit ), Moult, Richman, Clee, Crowther ( if he man's up with his injuries ), Reeves, Rankine ( if he loses his attitude and weight). If we could get Holness then he would be a good addition and give us 4 good centre backs.
Crowther would probably go down with writer's cramp whilst signing his new contract.
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I would keep Deasey, Dens, Havern, Leather, Marshall ( if he can keep fit ), Moult, Richman, Clee, Crowther ( if he man's up with his injuries ), Reeves, Rankine ( if he loses his attitude and weight). If we could get Holness then he would be a good addition and give us 4 good centre backs.
Crowther would probably go down with writer's cramp whilst signing his new contract.
haha that is funny. Just thinking we need wide players but I suppose Crowther cries off far too often. Ranks might have a bad back but he's played a fair few games so unless he's on a ridiculous wage I defo think we should keep him.
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So in order of preference:
Tim Deasy - 51
Shaun Densmore - 50
Nicky Clee - 47
Scott Leather - 45
Jake Moult - 45
Damian Reeves - 44
Sam Heathcote - 29
Luca Havern - 27
Tom Marshall - 27
Simon Richman - 26
Josh Ginnelly - 18
Marcus Holness - 15
Michael Rankine - 13
Jordan Sinnott - 13
Adam Griffin - 6
James Lawrie - 6
Ryan Crowther - 2
George Bowerman - 0
I generally agree with the hierarchy that this has. Put a line through the loanees, who I can't see returning for separate reasons. May as well cross off Crowther and Bowerman as well. I'd have thought that more than six people would give Lawrie another season in the North, I think he has a bit to offer at that level, but I'd probably say he's run his course here now. Same with Griffin really, I'm positive we can do better than him at left back next season.
If Neil Young can craft a starting XI around those top six names (fully fit) then we'll be very competitive at that level.
Also good to see Sam Heathcote getting some support. Thrown in entirely at the deep end this season and to be fair he's coped well enough most of the time.
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So in order of preference:
Tim Deasy - 51
Shaun Densmore - 50
Nicky Clee - 47
Scott Leather - 45
Jake Moult - 45
Damian Reeves - 44
Sam Heathcote - 29
Luca Havern - 27
Tom Marshall - 27
Simon Richman - 26
Josh Ginnelly - 18
Marcus Holness - 15
Michael Rankine - 13
Jordan Sinnott - 13
Adam Griffin - 6
James Lawrie - 6
Ryan Crowther - 2
George Bowerman - 0
I generally agree with the hierarchy that this has. Put a line through the loanees, who I can't see returning for separate reasons. May as well cross off Crowther and Bowerman as well. I'd have thought that more than six people would give Lawrie another season in the North, I think he has a bit to offer at that level, but I'd probably say he's run his course here now. Same with Griffin really, I'm positive we can do better than him at left back next season.
If Neil Young can craft a starting XI around those top six names (fully fit) then we'll be very competitive at that level.
Agreed the top six names and also Richaman and Heathcoate already signed , Havern and Marsha a bit harshly just miss out .Lawrie has got ability but he probably needs a change.
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Heard that Luca, Crowther and Holness are off to Salford City.
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Luca has been playing like he'd already got a deal sorted elsewhere for quite a few weeks now in my opinion. Maybe he lost his feelings for the club when they wouldn't buy the mask for his broken nose?!! I think his attitude was summed up by their third goal yesterday when he let the Braintree player stroll past him without any challenge.
Hopefully Marshall will have recovered for pre-season so him alongside Scott Leather won't be too bad for starters.
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Still no mention of Josh O'Keefe, the forgotten man of Moss Lane!!
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Luca has been playing like he'd already got a deal sorted elsewhere for quite a few weeks now in my opinion. Maybe he lost his feelings for the club when they wouldn't buy the mask for his broken nose?!! I think his attitude was summed up by their third goal yesterday when he let the Braintree player stroll past him without any challenge.
Hopefully Marshall will have recovered for pre-season so him alongside Scott Leather won't be too bad for starters.
Agreed, hasn't been the same player since his injury. Holness would be a decent signing for any club in the conf north. Crowther, well they are welcome to him
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Heard that Luca, Crowther and Holness are off to Salford City.
Very interesting.
If true ,!!!!!!!
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Still no mention of Josh O'Keefe, the forgotten man of Moss Lane!!
I can assure you that I'm doing my utmost to banish any trace of him from my memory.
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Heard that Luca, Crowther and Holness are off to Salford City.
where have you heard this
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I've heard for a while that Luca is going and that has been reflected in his performances. I've also heard that Marcus was on £700 a week at Tranmere - which might make it a tad difficult for us to get him. Crowther, I couldn't give a monkeys about - can they take O'Keefe too?
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Quote from: Alty Dave on Yesterday at 11:02:11 PM
Heard that Luca, Crowther and Holness are off to Salford City.
where have you heard this
It came up yesterday in a discussion with a friend of mine that works for a club in the National league North.
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Quote from: Alty Dave on Yesterday at 11:02:11 PM
Heard that Luca, Crowther and Holness are off to Salford City.
where have you heard this
It came up yesterday in a discussion with a friend of mine that works for a club in the National league North.
daft players opening their big mouths in the dwl within earshot of supporters. If you go for a pint after a game you can pick these things up
One reason not to be worried about Salford if that the qualty of player their after - sh*t
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I'm not worried at all, interested now to see how the new manager and assistant pull the ship around though. Good luck to them.
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I'm not worried at all, interested now to see how the new manager and assistant pull the ship around though. Good luck to them.
best to keep Densmore, Deasy and Moult and f**k the rest of them off
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Ignoring the previous post with the contempt it deserves we have a nucleus of a squad, some of whom have clearly felt disillusioned but under a new man can start again. It was clear to me that several players had lost all heart towards the end of the season. that doesn't mean they can't get it back with a new and positive direction. Chucking everyone out and starting from scratch means there is no team spirit. Yes, several have to go and we all know who they are but there are still some lads here who will do a good job once motivated again.
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The team spirit, which we'd had over the previous couple of seasons, disappeared completely last season and I think that was down to signings such as Rankine and Bowerman. Both these players were out and out moaners and this was obvious from the very first games they played. I dread to think what the atmosphere in the dressing room was like and when you consider how tight knit we seemed to be the previous season. Kyle Perry was a big loss on that front.
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Good post, I'd rather a team which is fully bonded together than one with factions. The new man has already intimated this. The last few games I saw suggested the team had broken up. I reckon that's why Lee walked.
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Good post, I'd rather a team which is fully bonded together than one with factions. The new man has already intimated this. The last few games I saw suggested the team had broken up. I reckon that's why Lee walked.
well that was Lee's fault, I wonder if the new manager will travel on the team bus?
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Just to give my two cents, I'd retain more than the average Alty fan...
Deasy Densmore Sinnott Leather Havern Griffin Moult Richman Lawrie Reeves Rankine
Assess Clee and Marshall pre-season (I fear that, similar to Mike Williams, we're not going to get the required level out of either of them)
Stu has obviously retired
Offer terms to Holness if possible
Release Crowther and Bowerman
So that, to me, would leave c.12 signed on (perhaps one more) and we should be aiming for 6 of Young's contacts to push Havern, Griffin, Sinnott, Richman, Lawrie on to the bench all season.
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It's also telling that Southport's Garry Jones won their player's player award in what has been a pretty solid (if unspectacular) season for them. Leadership and experience.
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I can't see Haven, Griffin etc staying if they think they will be on the bench time for them to move on .
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I suppose a lot depends on who Young has in mind to come in. Looking forward to seeing some fresh faces.
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Just to give my two cents, I'd retain more than the average Alty fan...
Deasy Densmore Sinnott Leather Havern Griffin Moult Richman Lawrie Reeves Rankine
Assess Clee and Marshall pre-season (I fear that, similar to Mike Williams, we're not going to get the required level out of either of them)
Stu has obviously retired
Offer terms to Holness if possible
Release Crowther and Bowerman
So that, to me, would leave c.12 signed on (perhaps one more) and we should be aiming for 6 of Young's contacts to push Havern, Griffin, Sinnott, Richman, Lawrie on to the bench all season.
So you would keep everyone except Crowther and Bowerman?
Incidentally why do you think we got relegated
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
MarpleAlty would keep all 9 Alty players that started at Braintree, thats not good enough is it?
We need to clear out the dead wood
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
Primary reason was key injuries : but also failure to recognise we were nowhere near good enough without them and the need for timely reinforcements - there are others, but this stands out a mile
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4 on contract for one more year and 4 or 5 else to be offered to stay here according to the interview, who's on contract?
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Moult , Richman, Heathcoate and Densmore
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
MarpleAlty would keep all 9 Alty players that started at Braintree, thats not good enough is it?
We need to clear out the dead wood
The idea of seeing 11 strangers turn up on the first day of next season frightens me even more - it's rarely ever the answer.
In the space of a dozen games or so, the likes of Havern Griffin Richman and Rankine have gone from first team players to dirt on here - it's amazing how fickle football can be.
Give the same set of players a competent manager (and set them up in the right system), YES a few fresh faces as well, by all means - and we'll be fine.
If you wanted me to be braver, we can get rid of Lawrie. The fact he's got so much game time epitomises everything that has been wrong with Alty over the last season.
It only takes ONE signing to make a difference, by the way - our most similarly budgeted rivals, Southport, signed Gary Jones last summer - he's now their player of the year and club captain.
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Keep Lawrie - if like to see him managed properly. Worth waiting a bit longer.
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Keep Lawrie - if like to see him managed properly. Worth waiting a bit longer.
I don't think you can manage an ability deficit. Please let him go.
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
MarpleAlty would keep all 9 Alty players that started at Braintree, thats not good enough is it?
We need to clear out the dead wood
The idea of seeing 11 strangers turn up on the first day of next season frightens me even more - it's rarely ever the answer.
In the space of a dozen games or so, the likes of Havern Griffin Richman and Rankine have gone from first team players to dirt on here - it's amazing how fickle football can be.
Give the same set of players a competent manager (and set them up in the right system), YES a few fresh faces as well, by all means - and we'll be fine.
If you wanted me to be braver, we can get rid of Lawrie. The fact he's got so much game time epitomises everything that has been wrong with Alty over the last season.
It only takes ONE signing to make a difference, by the way - our most similarly budgeted rivals, Southport, signed Gary Jones last summer - he's now their player of the year and club captain.
excellent post
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Keep Lawrie - if like to see him managed properly. Worth waiting a bit longer.
Why keep a guy whose set pieces rarely pass the first defender, can't tackle, and regularly gives the ball away ? Yes, he can have the odd brilliant game.....but we want consistency.
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Keep Lawrie - if like to see him managed properly. Worth waiting a bit longer.
Why keep a guy whose set pieces rarely pass the first defender, can't tackle, and regularly gives the ball away ? Yes, he can have the odd brilliant game.....but we want consistency.
Started off 1good game in 3 must have been 1 in 8 last season
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On the basis of the Manager's initial comments and in particular him wanting players 'that can be depended upon', I'd guess he's offering terms to:-
Deasy
Leather
Reeves
Clee (if fit)
Marshall (if fit)
Adding them to:-
Densmore
Moult
Richman
Heathcote
I'd say that's a reasonable starting point.
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I'd say that was just about bob on JTH.
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I would agree with that selection. However, sadly it is based on 3 players regaining fitness AND PREVIOUS FORM after long term injuries although we would all love to see this happen.
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Yep I'd go along with JTH's selection too - God forbid we're all starting to agree on things ::)
I sincerely hope to see Clee and Marshall back to 100%, but sadly I can't see it.
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Maybe pay as you play offers to Clee and Marshall?
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On the basis of the Manager's initial comments and in particular him wanting players 'that can be depended upon', I'd guess he's offering terms to:-
Deasy
Leather
Reeves
Clee (if fit)
Marshall (if fit)
Adding them to:-
Densmore
Moult
Richman
Heathcote
I'd say that's a reasonable starting point.
Has my vote, but as said .- need to deal with possibility of signing on two players who may only be available half a season or else money is better spent elsewhere
A rejuvinated Reeves needed - the others (especially Lawrie) have had their chances and not taken them - Crowther has poor availability and Rankine looks to have gained weight despite battle we just lost - others marginal but seemed to lose interest
Keep a few youngsters too - Saville ? Williams ? Swift?
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One thing that could benefit us this year is that we can make use of non contracted players,and non contracted players can be used in the reserves. Should the reserves be promoted to the top flight of the Cheshire league this might see it become of more use to supporting the first team squad, especially playing a level up from where it is now, even in terms of fitness.
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Keep Lawrie - if like to see him managed properly. Worth waiting a bit longer.
Why keep a guy whose set pieces rarely pass the first defender, can't tackle, and regularly gives the ball away ? Yes, he can have the odd brilliant game.....but we want consistency.
Started off 1good game in 3 must have been 1 in 8 last season
1 in 46
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Maybe pay as you play offers to Clee and Marshall?
Good idea for us but I'm positive Nicky Clee could go somewhere closer to home and get a guaranteed weekly wage. If we want him we'll need to pay him weekly and handsomely.
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Surprised so few have expressed an interest in keeping Holness. I think he's been excellent since coming in. Very professional
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Agree on Holness, but I think he's seen by many as a bit of a journeyman footballer. Can't blame him for holding out for the best deal possible and I think that had we stayed up we may have been able to make it happen.
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On the basis of the Manager's initial comments and in particular him wanting players 'that can be depended upon', I'd guess he's offering terms to:-
Deasy
Leather
Reeves
Clee (if fit)
Marshall (if fit)
Adding them to:-
Densmore
Moult
Richman
Heathcote
I'd say that's a reasonable starting point.
I don't think Young will be taking chances on players that have to prove their fitness, just don't have the budget to take a gamble and carry passengers
It's a shame because a fit Clee is our best player - the fault of previous management for running him into the ground when not fit
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Surprised so few have expressed an interest in keeping Holness. I think he's been excellent since coming in. Very professional
Again it completely depends on who Young has in mind, but I'm sure we could do worse at Conf North level than to put a deal to him.
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It's a shame because a fit Clee is our best player - the fault of previous management for running him into the ground when not fit
Typical negative finger pointing crap from you Jamie, you a doctor now as well?
Clee got injured in pre-season,... you know thats when players are getting fit,... then they spent months hardly playing him at all, resting it, following medical advice that injections would work before he broke down in a rare cameo and an operation was required.
Nicky told me both groins were worn out from years of turning right backs inside out!
Hopefully Young keeps a rejuvenated fit Nicky, if not and he joins a competitor, and plenty will be in the queue, we may regret it later.
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Surprised so few have expressed an interest in keeping Holness. I think he's been excellent since coming in. Very professional
What's to keep? He's not our player. He would be taking a huge pay cut and dropping a league to play for a club he has no affinity towards. I understand he's been let go by Tranmere and I'd be happy to see him back but the man has played the vast majority of his football at League level. I'd by surprised if he didn't land a Conference gig.
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Surprised so few have expressed an interest in keeping Holness. I think he's been excellent since coming in. Very professional
What's to keep? He's not our player. He would be taking a huge pay cut and dropping a league to play for a club he has no affinity towards. I understand he's been let go by Tranmere and I'd be happy to see him back but the man has played the vast majority of his football at League level. I'd by surprised if he didn't land a Conference gig.
Ah yes, but you never know when players are ready to land their first PT gig to pursue other avenues (within the game or otherwise), and we always need to remember we're one of the best PT teams in the whole of the north west.
But I agree, it's more likely he'll rock up at Barrow.
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It's a shame because a fit Clee is our best player - the fault of previous management for running him into the ground when not fit
Typical negative finger pointing crap from you Jamie, you a doctor now as well?
Clee got injured in pre-season,... you know thats when players are getting fit,... then they spent months hardly playing him at all, resting it, following medical advice that injections would work before he broke down in a rare cameo and an operation was required.
Nicky told me both groins were worn out from years of turning right backs inside out!
Jesus Ian, take your Visor Blinders off man. Re-read what you've written, you couldn't have backed Jamie's argument up more.
You can argue if you like whether it's worth mentioning but you know full well Nicky was run into the ground.
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On the basis of the Manager's initial comments and in particular him wanting players 'that can be depended upon', I'd guess he's offering terms to:-
Deasy
Leather
Reeves
Clee (if fit)
Marshall (if fit)
Adding them to:-
Densmore
Moult
Richman
Heathcote
I'd say that's a reasonable starting point.
Has my vote, but as said .- need to deal with possibility of signing on two players who may only be available half a season or else money is better spent elsewhere
A rejuvinated Reeves needed - the others (especially Lawrie) have had their chances and not taken them - Crowther has poor availability and Rankine looks to have gained weight despite battle we just lost - others marginal but seemed to lose interest
Keep a few youngsters too - Saville ? Williams ? Swift?
Possibly Williams, haven't seen enough of him. A firm no for Saville.
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Tranmere have released Holness.
Depends on his desire or not to want to stay full time. If not I hope he signs
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Jesus Ian, take your Visor Blinders off man. Re-read what you've written, you couldn't have backed Jamie's argument up more.
You can argue if you like whether it's worth mentioning but you know full well Nicky was run into the ground.
Jamie blames the previous management. He has no factual basis for this accusation other than his usual negativity.
Nicky's injuries were not caused by the previous management, Nicky told me that himself. It was just wear and tear.
Clear enough now.
My main concern is keeping Nicky, a fully fit Nicky was what we missed most last year.
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Jesus Ian, take your Visor Blinders off man. Re-read what you've written, you couldn't have backed Jamie's argument up more.
You can argue if you like whether it's worth mentioning but you know full well Nicky was run into the ground.
Jamie blames the previous management. He has no factual basis for this accusation other than his usual negativity.
Nicky's injuries were not caused by the previous management, Nicky told me that himself. It was just wear and tear.
Clear enough now.
My main concern is keeping Nicky, a fully fit Nicky was what we missed most last year.
your full of sh*t Ian
You have said yourself that they were giving him injections and playing him then he breaks down and needs an op
If thats not running a player into the ground then I dont know what is?
Previous management crippled Densmore for a year as well by rushing him back into the team when not fit
It wasn't bad luck it was bad management
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Jamie you seem to know more than the player himself about his injury. Are you his doctor now?
You frequently offer your opinion on lots of things without any factual basis, this is another example.
Who's full of sh.t then?
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Is 13 sub appearances with an injury enough of a factual basis to prove it wasn't a 'rare cameo'?
Or are you talking sh*t?
What was the reason for carrying on playing Clee? i.e was he booked in for an operation anyway and he just had to get to that point? The fact is we just carried on playing him with injections, that won't make him get any better.
If you've had enough or people being negative (or you perceive them to be) well that's fair enough but you clearly don't know what you're talking about here.
For the record, and this goes against me always saying we need to be harder, I really think we actually owe Clee a proper offer
But anyway..,
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Is 13 sub appearances with an injury enough of a factual basis to prove it wasn't a 'rare cameo'?
Or are you talking sh*t?
What was the reason for carrying on playing Clee? i.e was he booked in for an operation anyway and he just had to get to that point? The fact is we just carried on playing him with injections, that won't make him get any better.
If you've had enough or people being negative (or you perceive them to be) well that's fair enough but you clearly don't know what you're talking about here.
For the record, and this goes against me always saying we need to be harder, I really think we actually owe Clee a proper offer
But anyway..,
We DEFINITELY owe Clee a proper offer. And has anyone considered that he might have actually WANTED to play ?
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For me the responsibility of clee is as much with himself as well as the management. For numerous pre-seasons, he's not returned to the fitness levels expected, hence why it's usually around October before we see him at full flight. This year, after getting the injury in pre season, he never recovered but we still made him available to play.
IMO, I think we should say to him 'let's see how you look end of June' before deciding on giving him a deal.
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Any offer we make Nicky must clearly be fitness dependent. If he can prove his fitness then great.
He told me that since the ops his groins feel miles better than they have for ages. Lets hope its worked for his sake at least.
He is getting on now (31 I think) and he has always been prone to injury due to the way he plays and his sedentary worklife.
What started off my reaction was Jamie just blaming the management for his injury, which is patently just an opinion based on pure conjecture,.. as usual.
I am sick of this negativity and blame culture by certain individuals on here. Why cant people accept that people do things, including the player, with the best intentions?
Nicky wanted to play, he had sound medical advice that said injections and rest would cure it, the management followed that medical advice.
However, when he was slowly eased back in short sub appearances (as the player wanted) this revealed that injections would not fix it and he needed an operation.
How is that the fault of the management? unless you want to blame the physio and doctors now as well?
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Think it was a 6 of 1 He played when he shouldn't have. Both him and the club new this. Who's call it? The club are desperate for him to play a part and he wanted desperately to help get us out if the sh*t.
Understandable on both sides
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Ian, look in this instance, Jamie's right factually. And that's with the best will in the world. I wouldn't expect you to agree on this thread, if you genuinely privately hold that belief, well that's up to you. But what's done is done. Let's just hope that lessons have been learned.
I think with negativity and blame culture though, people are too touchy. We need to listen to WHAT people are criticising about rather than throwing hissy fits of why we think they're criticising.
I know that Jamie said to me last year that if Nicky's injury was bad enough that he had to completely stop exercising then it wouldn't get better without an immediate op (and I appreciate we may have been talking NHS immediate). He was correct.
People surmised the squad was too thin. They were correct (but we do work to a budget I know).
You can go back on this forum for posts from me importing us to get loanees in to ease the workload on the players to prevent the injuries rather than waiting for panic stations in February. I was absolutely correct. Do you think I'm happy about that?
At the risk of opening another can of worms, you said after the Bromley game the players were trying their hardest. They absolutely weren't (Colchester was). If we all adopt the nothing is wrong posture then what happens. Players think that level of effort is acceptable for a start.
However, we go forward. We have to. But I hope those leading us are strong enough to be able to look past the feeling of any criticism and take heed of what is said. We've got a good manager now with a big job to do. His retained list will tell us a lot but we are at least in the healthy position that priority number one is players who want to be here. Ergo, it doesn't matter who leaves.
Re Holness I thought he was fairly good but we can get better value for money (I think).
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Deasy has been released !
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Deasy has been released !
Not on the website yet
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Give it time
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Must have another keeper lined up
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Deasy has been released !
Released or left?
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Released
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Clee, Griffin and O'keefe also released
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Clee, Griffin and O'keefe also released
What time do the celebrations begin?
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Clee, Griffin and O'keefe also released
What time do the celebrations begin?
They don't if we've kept Lawrie and Crowther.
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Unless those that have left were in the 4/5 he wanted.
Here's what is left :
Havern
Leather
Marshall
Lawrie
Reeves
Rankine
Sinnott
Bowerman
Crowther
Holness
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Deasy released? WTF?
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Lawrie ?
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I think he will retain Reevesy if they can agree wages.
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He must have a bloody decent keeper coming in if he's released Deasey!! On the flip side though he could have offered Tim £X a week but he's turned it down and decided to try his luck elsewhere. No argument with the others,shame about Clee but we can't carry injury prone players on a tight budget which is why I'll be amazed if we keep Crowther! Id wouldn't be overly surprised if we keep Lauwrie but Id be disappointed if he was a starter but he's a decent bench player.
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Definitely not complete. Only a lunatic would keep Bowerman.
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I can't see marshall been kept out almost all of last season
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No offer was made to deasy. Mind blowing if you ask me.
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No offer was made to deasy. Mind blowing if you ask me.
Not mind blowing.
He has struggled with injury a bit although got through it and his form hasn't quite been at the same level just recently.
Not saying I wouldn't have kept him but if Youngy feels he can get a younger, cheaper keeper of a comparable standard (you'd have to presume he feels he can) then I can see the logic.
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I think his keeper at Stockport was Hurst.
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I think his keeper at Stockport was Hurst.
Danny Hurst
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Where has this come from? Can't see anything on the website, or twitter?
Good early positive signs from the manager. Now get rid of Crowther, Bowerman, Sinnott and Lawrie and the cull is complete.
Still think we'll struggle to retain Reeves and can't see Rankine fancying it (I'd like him to). Havern will be an interesting one, personally, think he's one of Stockport's "already agreed terms" people.
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Havern and Marshall gone
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Where's all this from Glyn?
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Havern and Marshall gone
Released?? Or left
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Sinnott and Leather needed.
I'd like Reeves.
Hope m17 Crowther doesn't stay, nor Georgie B'.
Rankine and Lawrie I'm here nor there about.
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Nothing official though, not on club social media or players accounts. If people are getting this information from sources, then they should at least stay quiet until club and/or player has said their piece.
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What about Chris Senior?
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Footy mad who stated Deasy has gone appears to have left the forum ?
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Tom Marshalls Twitter confirms he has left.
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Luca Havern has now confirmed on Twitter, also.
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NINE gone, on the main site now. Reeves, Rankine, Leather and Lawrie offered terms.
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Moult? Have I missed something?
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Moult? Have I missed something?
He's on contract.
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Cheers Cult, missed that.
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Wow, that is some cull.
I'm reasonably happy with most of them, though surprised about Deasy in particular. Also gutted for Nicky Clee and big Tom ....though I guess if they missed so much of last season he's gonna need assurances about their fitness ....begs the question whether he would have binned Dens for the same reason if he had not been on contract ??
So, that is essentially a complete new defence needed, only Scott ( and Dens) left assuming that Scott can agree terms. I reckon he'll go for Danny Hurst from Stockport in net, though he has had a cruciate injury which may cloud the issue. No other surprises for me, interesting days ahead
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Wow, that is some cull.
I'm reasonably happy with most of them, though surprised about Deasy in particular. Also gutted for Nicky Clee and big Tom ....though I guess if they missed so much of last season he's gonna need assurances about their fitness ....begs the question whether he would have binned Dens for the same reason if he had not been on contract ??
So, that is essentially a complete new defence needed, only Scott ( and Dens) left assuming that Scott can agree terms. I reckon he'll go for Danny Hurst from Stockport in net, though he has had a cruciate injury which may cloud the issue. No other surprises for me, interesting days ahead
It is some cull, but what was needed and what I predicted, people like MarpleAlty wanting to keep everyone was total nonsense
Also as I predicted any players with fitness to prove have been let go
We have a proper manager now for the first time in quite a few years, getting worried Pukka?
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Wow, that is some cull.
I'm reasonably happy with most of them, though surprised about Deasy in particular. Also gutted for Nicky Clee and big Tom ....though I guess if they missed so much of last season he's gonna need assurances about their fitness ....begs the question whether he would have binned Dens for the same reason if he had not been on contract ??
So, that is essentially a complete new defence needed, only Scott ( and Dens) left assuming that Scott can agree terms. I reckon he'll go for Danny Hurst from Stockport in net, though he has had a cruciate injury which may cloud the issue. No other surprises for me, interesting days ahead
It is some cull, but what was needed and what I predicted, people like MarpleAlty wanting to keep everyone was total nonsense
Also as I predicted any players with fitness to prove have been let go
We have a proper manager now for the first time in quite a few years, getting worried Pukka?
I wouldn't call it total nonsense Jamie.
If you believe young is a far better r manager than Lee, then Luca, Deasy, Sinnott could have flourished under young (those 3+4 we've kept+ 4 offers on the table is 11 out of 18... )
But a clear out means he has no excuse to hide behind. It's his team from May 3rd onwards. Can't wait.
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It is some cull, but what was needed and what I predicted, people like MarpleAlty wanting to keep everyone was total nonsense
Also as I predicted any players with fitness to prove have been let go
We have a proper manager now for the first time in quite a few years, getting worried Pukka?
I sincerely hope it works Jamie,.... if/when it doesnt, I am looking forward to your usual slagging off of the players, management, board and anyone else you can think of ::) :'(
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Cheltenham practically re-drew their entire team from scratch, so it clearly does work, I have no doubt about that (although they would have had the budget to recruit well)
I'm more pleased about the new manager's readiness to be present in and around the club, to be honest. Delighted, in fact.
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Wow, that is some cull.
I'm reasonably happy with most of them, though surprised about Deasy in particular. Also gutted for Nicky Clee and big Tom ....though I guess if they missed so much of last season he's gonna need assurances about their fitness ....begs the question whether he would have binned Dens for the same reason if he had not been on contract ??
So, that is essentially a complete new defence needed, only Scott ( and Dens) left assuming that Scott can agree terms. I reckon he'll go for Danny Hurst from Stockport in net, though he has had a cruciate injury which may cloud the issue. No other surprises for me, interesting days ahead
It is some cull, but what was needed and what I predicted, people like MarpleAlty wanting to keep everyone was total nonsense
So fickle. These lads didn't become poor players overnight, mate. In their shoes, I'd have been just as visibly fed up in those last few games - to say you wouldn't have been is total nonsense.
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It is some cull, but what was needed and what I predicted, people like MarpleAlty wanting to keep everyone was total nonsense
Also as I predicted any players with fitness to prove have been let go
We have a proper manager now for the first time in quite a few years, getting worried Pukka?
I sincerely hope it works Jamie,.... if/when it doesnt, I am looking forward to your usual slagging off of the players, management, board and anyone else you can think of ::) :'(
Why negativity Pukka? Whats up this isn't your way normaly?
Give the new management a chance
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The only negativity I have is towards you and your attitude.
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The only negativity I have is towards you and your attitude.
what do you mean?
I agree with everything the manager has done, fully support it
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I must admit to having some misgivings about so many players being released. The reason for this is that NY said he would make offers to players based on what others said. To only offer to 4 out of contract players seems a gamble. If they say no then we're left with Dens, moult, Richman and Heathcote.
I think it must be the budget reduction is causing anyone with fitness/injury issues to be discarded. Which means Deasy, Marshall, Clee were unlucky.
If Stockport had 5 players on pre contract agreements I'll be unhappy if any of the players whose recent efforts were less than wholehearted end up there.
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I must admit to having some misgivings about so many players being released. The reason for this is that NY said he would make offers to players based on what others said. To only offer to 4 out of contract players seems a gamble. If they say no then we're left with Dens, moult, Richman and Heathcote.
I think it must be the budget reduction is causing anyone with fitness/injury issues to be discarded. Which means Deasy, Marshall, Clee were unlucky.
If Stockport had 5 players on pre contract agreements I'll be unhappy if any of the players whose recent efforts were less than wholehearted end up there.
Or the way we paid a year's wages to Griffith. I recall many on this forum (and I am not saying they were totally wrong) were extremely critical of the board and manager at the time.
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Im still pretty stunned about deasy going our player of the year the injury has to be irrelevant.
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There wasn't a lot of competition though was there. I couldn't have managed a 4th nomination.
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There wasn't a lot of competition though was there. I couldn't have managed a 4th nomination.
I'm afraid I couldn't manage a 1st one 😬
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I like the new manager a tough guy like kingy good start I reckon
But I still would say that bad luck and injured players sent us down not bad manager and chairmen
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I like the new manager a tough guy like kingy good start I reckon
But I still would say that bad luck and injured players sent us down not bad manager and chairmen
this myth that we got relegated because of a few injuries and bad luck is utter rubbish, injuries & bad decisions happen, the latter more so by the board and the management than any referee or anyone else. we got relegated because we suffered SSS badly and made bad choices, failed to get results when we needed them, couldn't buy an away win and weren't much better at home.
Really hope Reeves stays, big player for next year. sad to see a few of the players leave but my god how is Lawrie still here, hasn't done anything since the 2014/15 season.
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Lawrie good player in set play and can warm up the defence good player for me
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Lawrie good player in set play and can warm up the defence good player for me
he most certainly wasn't any worse than anyone else last season, and other than the injured Clee most certainly the most skilful player in the old squad. So fair to keep him, just hope Youngy can get the best out of him
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Yongey is the man Jamie
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Lawrie good player in set play and can warm up the defence good player for me
he most certainly wasn't any worse than anyone else last season, and other than the injured Clee most certainly the most skilful player in the old squad. So fair to keep him, just hope Youngy can get the best out of him
You haven't spoken to VOD then?!?!?!?,
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Lawrie good player in set play and can warm up the defence good player for me
he most certainly wasn't any worse than anyone else last season, and other than the injured Clee most certainly the most skilful player in the old squad. So fair to keep him, just hope Youngy can get the best out of him
You haven't spoken to VOD VofD then?!?!?!?
No, they haven't. And I wholly disagree with both of them. ;) ;)
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Just to give my two cents, I'd retain more than the average Alty fan...
Deasy Densmore Sinnott Leather Havern Griffin Moult Richman Lawrie Reeves Rankine
Assess Clee and Marshall pre-season (I fear that, similar to Mike Williams, we're not going to get the required level out of either of them)
Stu has obviously retired
Offer terms to Holness if possible
Release Crowther and Bowerman
So that, to me, would leave c.12 signed on (perhaps one more) and we should be aiming for 6 of Young's contacts to push Havern, Griffin, Sinnott, Richman, Lawrie on to the bench all season.
Doesn't seem so bad now, does it. I assume now that, budget-wise, the above would have been unfeasible.
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We didn't have a mass clear out when we were relegated in 2011 did we? The likes of Coburn, Reeves, Clee and Densmore all stayed on then and the budget was obviously able to take it. So what changed this time?
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Im not inclined to vote as sadly a lack of inspirational leadership and direction has turned some players with potential and abilty to sh*te
Im off for a while hope you all enjoy the close season
I still stand by this
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Yes, I'm still enjoying the close season as well.
That's what I keep having to tell myself, anyway, as I refuse to believe the season has actually started. It can't be for real. :(
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Yes, I'm still enjoying the close season as well.
That's what I keep having to tell myself, anyway, as I refuse to believe the season has actually started. It can't be for real. :(
ha ha .. I'm with you.. if we blank it out do the results not count ??
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The primary reason we got relegated was injuries to key players, so I see why MarpleAlty says that. However, I can see this manager wanting to stamp his own mark on our team, so will probably retain no more than 8 players.
MarpleAlty would keep all 9 Alty players that started at Braintree, thats not good enough is it?
We need to clear out the dead wood
The idea of seeing 11 strangers turn up on the first day of next season frightens me even more - it's rarely ever the answer.
In the space of a dozen games or so, the likes of Havern Griffin Richman and Rankine have gone from first team players to dirt on here - it's amazing how fickle football can be.
Give the same set of players a competent manager (and set them up in the right system), YES a few fresh faces as well, by all means - and we'll be fine.
If you wanted me to be braver, we can get rid of Lawrie. The fact he's got so much game time epitomises everything that has been wrong with Alty over the last season.
It only takes ONE signing to make a difference, by the way - our most similarly budgeted rivals, Southport, signed Gary Jones last summer - he's now their player of the year and club captain.
I'll just leave this here.
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Yes, I'm still enjoying the close season as well.
That's what I keep having to tell myself, anyway, as I refuse to believe the season has actually started. It can't be for real. :(
ha ha .. I'm with you.. if we blank it out do the results not count ??
It's got to be worth a try! :)
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We didn't have a mass clear out when we were relegated in 2011 did we? The likes of Coburn, Reeves, Clee and Densmore all stayed on then and the budget was obviously able to take it. So what changed this time?
thats a very good question, we didn't have the goldmine which is the community hall then either
I wonder if the football side subsidies the community side?
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We didn't have a mass clear out when we were relegated in 2011 did we? The likes of Coburn, Reeves, Clee and Densmore all stayed on then and the budget was obviously able to take it. So what changed this time?
thats a very good question, we didn't have the goldmine which is the community hall then either
I wonder if the football side subsidies the community side?
I also seem to recall that we were running with a reduced budget for the 2011/12 season, partly due to going over our previous season's budget in a bid to avoid relegation (I apologise if this is in any way inaccurate, but I think this was the case).