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General Category => Altrincham FC First Team => Topic started by: bumble on April 19, 2016, 11:19:18 AM
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Seems to be that a fair few people are going to miss the fans forum through prior commitments.
I thought I'd start a thread for those not going to put their questions which can be put forward.
I wonder if Alty Tv will be recording the occasion?
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I wonder if Alty Tv will be recording the occasion?
I would imagine that after two hours on the gantry and after producing DVDs for the referee etc, that Alty TV will want a beer.........especially if things haven't gone well
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I can't be there and to be honest there is no point in making it a tit for tat argument, It must be clear the fans thoughts on the management situation. I would like to know:-
"If we get relegated and do eventually return to the conference national, are there any lessons that we have learnt that will enable us to establish ourselves in the league?"
additionally
"Does the board see the club as an aspirational conference national team or a good conference north team that will occasionally find itself in the national league?"
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Great questions
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My questions for you Jack
Why did Lee Sinnot leave the club?
When you said Neil Tolson was given the job due to loyalty to the club, what did you mean by that?
Did you think Neil Tolson had enough experience for such a job?
Neil Tolson seemed to announce himself as manager, communications from the club were unclear, why was that?
Do you see Neil Tolson as the right man to take us forward? If so why?
The Conference North is a tough league, do you believe the club has the right mentality to succesfully bounce back?
Do you feel at all responsible for the current position we find ourselves in? What could you have done better?
Crowds will drop considerably next season meaning reduced income, how do you plan to counter that?
Can any detail of the Watmore deal now be released?
Do you honestly understand why supporters are unhappy with the way the club seems to be run recently?
And what can you say to us assure us the club is in safe hands under your stewardship?
What are you plans to attract further investment?
Do you see it as a failure of you the board that minimal investment has been attracted during your tenure?
Would you give up your positions and shareholdings if external investers showed interest in the club? If so would you hold out any conditions?
How do you think trust can be recreated between board and supporters?
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Why do the fans not have a permanent elected member on the board? This could avoid a lot of miscommunication and bad blood
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The club and team has clearly suffered from injuries to several key players this season, in fact the substitutes bench has regularly been filled with young inexperienced players who have not had any more than several minutes game time all season - was the decision not to strengthen the squad constrained by finances or did Lee believe the team were still capable of results in its depleted state ?
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Do you think it is healthy that important positions within the club are filled without any form of selection process?
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Was neil's promotion a unanimous board decision?
Was it a mistake that has cost us relegation?...given lots of fans foresaw it was a poor appointment why has the board been so slow to react to the predictable foreseeable poor results?...is relegation a price worth paying so we can employ a mate?
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Will he we have a competitive top eight national north budget ?
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Will he we have a competitive top eight national north budget ?
First one to mention consolidation gets a slapping.
I actually want to hear us be ambitious. Our aim is to come straight back up, automatic promotion is what we're aiming for and we'll see what happens. But we'll give it our all to get back in the National.
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If you are asking these questions, please can you add:
How much has the CSH project cost the Club this season?
How much has the CSH project benefited the Club this season? How can we ensure we maximise revenue available from the CSH to the benefit of the playing budget?
How much has running the Reserve team cost the Club? Does it represent good value?
Disappointing results – any idea what is this years average attendance, and how it compares with recent seasons?
Thanks
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If you are asking these questions, please can you add:
How much has the CSH project cost the Club this season?
How much has the CSH project benefited the Club this season? How can we ensure we maximise revenue available from the CSH to the benefit of the playing budget?
How much has running the Reserve team cost the Club? Does it represent good value?
Disappointing results – any idea what is this years average attendance, and how it compares with recent seasons?
Thanks
Current average league gate is 1185.
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If you are asking these questions, please can you add:
How much has the CSH project cost the Club this season?
How much has the CSH project benefited the Club this season? How can we ensure we maximise revenue available from the CSH to the benefit of the playing budget?
How much has running the Reserve team cost the Club? Does it represent good value?
Disappointing results – any idea what is this years average attendance, and how it compares with recent seasons?
Thanks
The following figures might help with the last of the above - make of them what you will.
Season 2010-11 (National) Home League average gate 1038; overall average home gate (including cups & preseason) 966
2011-12 (North) 826; 799
2012-13 (North) 833; 859
2013-14 (North) 910; 874
2014-15 (National) 1246; 1158
2015-16 (National) as at today's date 1222; 1185
All the above figures are based on attendances as published in the press, in the club programme or on website(s)
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I believe it is more than 1185, Football Webpages has a few fixtures missing. It is probably over 1200.
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I'm gutted I can't be there as I'm doing husbandly things in the evening in the interests of a quiet life at home ;).
Here are the main things I'd like to know the answer to:
What are we doing to recruit a new manager? Kidderminster and Chester have been in similar positions recently. Kidderminster have just appointed John Eustace and Chester have invited expressions of interest and have set a closing date for these next Monday with a view to have the new manager ready to start work as soon as the season ends. I don't want to be fobbed off by the get-out clause of "we can't discuss this" etc etc. I don't need details but I do want to hear the right kind of noises being made.
Does the board accept they are potentially leaving things too late if they are not already acting on new manager recruitment as per my question above?
Why was the issue of getting loan players in left so late in the season when it was blatantly obvious we needed bolstering from Christmas or perhaps even before this?
Does the board accept this inaction has directly contributed to us being relegated at the end of this season (only a major miracle will save us, despite the spin we're hearing on the website from club officials)?
I'll probably think of loads more as I have so many unanswered questions floating round my head about this season and how we go forwards.
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Can't we just proceed straight to the waterboarding of the Board?
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Can't we just proceed straight to the waterboarding of the Board?
Guantanamo Bay (Away) in the second qualifying round of the F A Cup next season it is then ?
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Can't we just proceed straight to the waterboarding of the Board?
Guantanamo Bay (Away) in the second qualifying round of the F A Cup next season it is then ?
I wouldn't bet on us to beat 11 chained up blokes wearing orange boiler suits.
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If you are asking these questions, please can you add:
How much has the CSH project cost the Club this season?
How much has the CSH project benefited the Club this season? How can we ensure we maximise revenue available from the CSH to the benefit of the playing budget?
How much has running the Reserve team cost the Club? Does it represent good value?
Disappointing results – any idea what is this years average attendance, and how it compares with recent seasons?
Thanks
How much does running a Ladies team cost the club?
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It probably attracts interest and broadens our presence I'd say to be fair Rob.
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Any chance someone who was at the meeting could do a quick summary for those who could not make it please?
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If you are asking these questions, please can you add:
How much has the CSH project cost the Club this season?
How much has the CSH project benefited the Club this season? How can we ensure we maximise revenue available from the CSH to the benefit of the playing budget?
How much has running the Reserve team cost the Club? Does it represent good value?
Disappointing results – any idea what is this years average attendance, and how it compares with recent seasons?
Thanks
How much does running a Ladies team cost the club?
Very little. The Alty Ladies players pay subs and pay for most of their training kits. So in fact they paying to represent Altrincham FC.
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Any chance someone who was at the meeting could do a quick summary for those who could not make it please?
news black out?????
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Any chance someone who was at the meeting could do a quick summary for those who could not make it please?
news black out?????
I'm sure JL will put one up
Firstly, fair play to the board for letting the event run its course. Think it lasted over 2 hours.
Graham offered to resign last week and it was turned down his fellow board members. Graham urged fans to speak to him after every game to tell him what is or isn't working rather than criticising the club online.
Tolson was board choice not Graham.
They said that no idea was needed as any manager avaliable worth his salt would have called within 24 hrs.
The board have agreed that communication has been poor and that the reason L'S announcement was poor was because Graham wrote it not a press officer as he wanted it to reflect the decision not just a mutual consent cliché.
We're in discussions with managers with interviews happening next week however board didn't want that announcing before we knew our league. They're after not just the "right manager but the right man for our club"
Travel with be free to Braintree
Reserves cost nothing
We made 15k on the snack bar last year and 40k from the bar
The board got explained the work they're doing and got asked would there be better ways for them to communicate their work so that we trust them to do the job and they agreed.
They're looking at not putting tinpot articles about mowers on the website and using the website space to shout out our club achievements.
The club didn't set the reserves up, Chris Rowley and someone else set it up themselves which might go some way to explaining why he is involved.
Board agreed mistakes had been made with the way things had happened.
And for some reason Liam Watson kept getting brought up
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Thanks Jack.
Did my horse win? 'Vayros' despair' in the second race
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Thanks Jack.
Straight answers to simple questions. No need for them to be turned into an argument on this forum.
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Thanks Jack
So to confirm it was said that Tolson got the job only because nobody else was interested within 24 hours? But now there is interest and interviews next week?
Also what was said about LS departure? Why?
Was there any apologies from the board for getting us into this mess?
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Thanks Jack
So to confirm it was said that Tolson got the job only because nobody else was interested within 24 hours? But now there is interest and interviews next week?
Also what was said about LS departure? Why?
Was there any apologies from the board for getting us into this mess?
No Jamie, Tolson was appointed caretaker manager because the board felt the players within the club were more than capable of keeping us up and they felt a decisive decision needed to be made. They felt (and gave this as a hypothetical name) if Liam Watson came in and spent money bringing in his 10 mates from other clubs that it would disrupt a dressing room capable of keeping us up.
L'S did not want to be at the football club any longer. Graham admitted that the board should have got our press officers to write it and he did apologise for the way it was handled BUT Graham also stated the BBC reported in correct facts.
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They certainly made a decisive decision, and it's ended up with us all but relegated -
Great judgement
Then again it's a decision we all would have made isn't it
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They certainly made a decisive decision, and it's ended up with us all but relegated -
Great judgement
Then again it's a decision we all would have made isn't it
What do you feel is the appropriate action?
Rowley offered to quit already and we'll having a new manager in the summer with the aim of bouncing back
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They certainly made a decisive decision, and it's ended up with us all but relegated -
Great judgement
Then again it's a decision we all would have made isn't it
What do you feel is the appropriate action?
Rowley offered to quit already and we'll having a new manager in the summer with the aim of bouncing back
I don't know Jack, I really don't
I guess all we can hope for is better judgement this time and in the future
But I have a very bitter taste in my mouth
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I have been pretty vocal on all this so i think its only fair to comment
I could not be there last night so thanks for sharing the responses its appreciated
It all sounds quite positive really . We all makes mistakes as long as you learn from them thats the important thing
Im not one to hold grudges its pointless and there are many many positive things going on at this club
Looking forward to seeing who will be leading us next season
Come on alty
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They certainly made a decisive decision, and it's ended up with us all but relegated -
Great judgement
Then again it's a decision we all would have made isn't it
What do you feel is the appropriate action?
Rowley offered to quit already and we'll having a new manager in the summer with the aim of bouncing back
May I ask on what evidence you have reached that conclusion?
How do you know that Neil Tolson isn't being interviewed for the role?
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Good point Cult. I heard NT is being interviewed.
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I think they will be interviewing Neil Tolson out of courtesy, but will not appoint him. The board admitted they had made a mistake in giving him the caretaker role and were made aware last night that it wouldn't be a popular move. They will not give him the job.
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It all sounds quite positive really . We all makes mistakes as long as you learn from them thats the important thing
Im not one to hold grudges its pointless and there are many many positive things going on at this club
Is there? Sorry but I can't think of any, relegation would overshadow any positive ten fold in my book. It would be a complete disaster for the club and unforgivable
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It all sounds quite positive really . We all makes mistakes as long as you learn from them thats the important thing
Im not one to hold grudges its pointless and there are many many positive things going on at this club
Is there? Sorry but I can't think of any, relegation would overshadow any positive ten fold in my book. It would be a complete disaster for the club and unforgivable
thats your opinion and your entitled to it ... as i am entitled to mine as well
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Good point Cult. I heard NT is being interviewed.
He is.
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If he's applied then interview him.
If he's the best candidate give him the job
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If he's the best candidate then we've got major problems
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If he's the best candidate then we've got major problems
agreed
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If he's applied then interview him.
If he's the best candidate give him the job
I think if he applies, under UK employment law you have to interview him, else you have a potential legal suit against you. So if he wasn't interviewed I would be worried, as it may expose the club to litigation.
Whatever...I do not think he will be manager next season, not that I have any personal axe to grind against the guy.
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2 wins in 10 games won't help him
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I too have been one who has been a bit critical of the board and their actions over the last few months.
I really wanted to be there the other night but had to be elsewhere to see my wife and children in a big production with the community choir they are all in.
Thanks for the update Jack. Really interesting to read and I'm reassured on things I had concerns over.
I think the main thing that has come out of it all for me is that the board need to be WAY more transparent in what they do and keep us all in the loop as much as they are able to (I appreciate certain items cannot be disclosed for confidential reasons etc etc). I especially appreciate their words on the search for a new manager, even if they would rather have not mentioned it yet for obvious reasons.
The use of the club website to get the updates out there is a great idea and will mean we all have an idea what is going on and won't be sat here jumping to (possibly false) conclusions, mainly as a result of not being aware of all the facts.
I'm still not totally happy with all their decisions (especially with the default appointment of Tolson, when much bigger thinking was really called for) but at least I can see the thinking behind things and appreciate everyone makes mistakes and the fact that have held their hands up and admitted that goes a very long way with me :).
I was dismayed that Grahame thought that he'd been slandered by a minority of people on here and on social media as there is no time at all that is called for, especially when we all want the best for the club.
Onwards and upwards...
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If he's applied then interview him.
If he's the best candidate give him the job
I think if he applies, under UK employment law you have to interview him, else you have a potential legal suit against you. So if he wasn't interviewed I would be worried, as it may expose the club to litigation.
Whatever...I do not think he will be manager next season, not that I have any personal axe to grind against the guy.
When, once more, a questioner queried the caretaker appointment, GR stated that "Neil has taken on the job and has done his best with a lot of hard work". This was met with applause from the majority in the CSH.
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Things I liked from Saturday night:
* Leaving aside the issues around the actual timing of the forum, the board took questions for around 2 hours. They could have easily hidden behind the excuse of 'scheduling' to cut it short. But they didn't. And that should be commended.
* I thought they dealt with the Griffiths situation admirably at the forum. They could have pushed the full blame on the player and used it as an excuse for relegation, but they didn't. They accepted mistakes were made and the signing was rushed. What's happened has happened, but I felt reassured that the lessons had been learnt and steps would be taken to avoid a similar situation in future.
* The offer to pay the supporters coach to Braintree was a great gesture. Watching us away this season hasn't been easy, and it also shows an effort to try and build bridges with the fans.
Parts I wasn't so keen on:
* The constant reference by the board to "hindsight" when questioned about NT appointment. Funny how everyone else at the club apart from the board had the "foresight" to see exactly how it would end - with the most avoidable relegation we've ever had. Given that GR was clearly so devastated by LS departure (despite winning 2 games in 5 months and us heading for the drop), and then appointed NT (who's only previous job as a manager was the 3 years he spent trying to relegate Hyde Utd/FC), I've zero faith in the judgement of the board when it comes to employing the next football manager. I judge that on their recent track record, not on anything personal. Let's hope I'm wrong. Also, the nonsense about not wanting to upset the current squad by bringing a new manager in was poor. Seriously, how soft are we? In "hindsight", the appointment we did make doesn't seem to have done much for squad unity anyway.
* We banged the drum about being one of only 3 clubs in the league with no paid (non-football) employees. Small club mentality, again. Besides, I thought we had a few paid staff on the community side who worked at the football club everyday? We wouldn't judge other clubs as 2 separate entities and we shouldn't look at ourselves in such a way. While I wouldn't want to underestimate the workload that is picked up by unpaid volunteers sacrificing their time for free, we do have paid employees and (as was pointed out by someone on Saturday night) we need to stop belittling ourselves at every opportunity.
* I wasn't keen on GR listing the decline in the football club fund raising year on year, and the claim fans weren't supporting club events. It didn't take into account the fact that a lot of the fund raisers now are in aid of the sports hall, that would have previously gone towards the football club (eg the bike ride to Braintree, or the gang doing the Manc 10k - correct me if I am wrong there as I haven't double checked his before writing). We also seem to have more fundraiser events held at the club than ever before. I don't disagree with fund raising to pay off the hall or for any other initiative, that is a separate argument, just don't piss on my leg and tell me it's raining. To be fair, that point did seem to be accepted by the board.
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If Shaun Densmore is contracted and currently club captain until a new appointment is made, would it be an idea to have him involved in interviews to give a players perspective?
I'm not saying give him a vote but perhaps he can add something?
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It didn't take into account the fact that a lot of the fund raisers now are in aid of the sports hall, that would have previously gone towards the football club (eg the bike ride to Braintree, or the gang doing the Manc 10k - correct me if I am wrong there as I haven't double checked his before writing).
We are trying to manage the bike ride to Braintree 50/50 between Prostate Cancer UK and Altrincham Football Club Community Sports. The 10k run is indeed going 100% towards the latter.
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I know what you're saying, Jack, but being interviewed for a job by one of your prospective employees would be a bit weird to say the least.
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If Shaun Densmore is contracted and currently club captain until a new appointment is made, would it be an idea to have him involved in interviews to give a players perspective?
I'm not saying give him a vote but perhaps he can add something?
nonsense - in what world do you interview your boss?
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Teaching.
Cue a load of reactionary nonsense.
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Teaching.
Cue a load of reactionary nonsense.
Advertising.
My last company consulted senior designers before appointing the leader of their department as if someone is contracted you're unlikely to just pay them off.
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If you have a player sitting in on managers interviews then that player will form his own opinions or judgments. What if his choice isn't appointed? Not a great start.
Managers handle the players. It's not for a player to be involved in who the manager should be.
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Teaching.
Cue a load of reactionary nonsense.
Advertising.
My last company consulted senior designers before appointing the leader of their department as if someone is contracted you're unlikely to just pay them off.
That's not a real job though, is it?
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If Shaun Densmore is contracted and currently club captain until a new appointment is made, would it be an idea to have him involved in interviews to give a players perspective?
I'm not saying give him a vote but perhaps he can add something?
nonsense - in what world do you interview your boss?
At my work, my manager was interviewed by the next boss up. However, after the interviews he came to me and he told me about their pros and cons and wanted my thoughts. We went for the guy who seemed more driven to make changes to a computer system that he previously worked on, and nearly a year later we are more productive as a team.
So possibly speak to Densmore after the interviews and see his thoughts.
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Let's remember this is footballers we are dealing with, they need to know who is in charge and that is the manager, absolutely buggar all to do with the captain of the playing staff. I wouldn't have been worried about shaking up the dressing room with a new appointment either , in fact It's what it needs. Too many players have become comfortable at the club and probably needed a bloody good shake up. Anyway, that hasn't happened, but this appointment is important. Lets hope we get the right man.
P.S. As much as I appreciate Simon Richmans energy, I can't believe he has got a contract for next year. He just ain't good enough with the ball at his feet for me. The others on contract I have no problem with.
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Let's remember this is footballers we are dealing with, they need to know who is in charge and that is the manager, absolutely buggar all to do with the captain of the playing staff. I wouldn't have been worried about shaking up the dressing room with a new appointment either , in fact It's what it needs. Too many players have become comfortable at the club and probably needed a bloody good shake up. Anyway, that hasn't happened, but this appointment is important. Lets hope we get the right man.
P.S. As much as I appreciate Simon Richmans energy, I can't believe he has got a contract for next year. He just ain't good enough with the ball at his feet for me. The others on contract I have no problem with.
I do feel Simon's energy will be more important next season, as I feel games might not be won by the best football side - look at Telford.
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Let's remember this is footballers we are dealing with, they need to know who is in charge and that is the manager, absolutely buggar all to do with the captain of the playing staff. I wouldn't have been worried about shaking up the dressing room with a new appointment either , in fact It's what it needs. Too many players have become comfortable at the club and probably needed a bloody good shake up. Anyway, that hasn't happened, but this appointment is important. Lets hope we get the right man.
P.S. As much as I appreciate Simon Richmans energy, I can't believe he has got a contract for next year. He just ain't good enough with the ball at his feet for me. The others on contract I have no problem with.
He's definitely good enough at least as a squad player
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If Shaun Densmore is contracted and currently club captain until a new appointment is made, would it be an idea to have him involved in interviews to give a players perspective?
I'm not saying give him a vote but perhaps he can add something?
nonsense - in what world do you interview your boss?
At my work, my manager was interviewed by the next boss up. However, after the interviews he came to me and he told me about their pros and cons and wanted my thoughts. We went for the guy who seemed more driven to make changes to a computer system that he previously worked on, and nearly a year later we are more productive as a team.
So possibly speak to Densmore after the interviews and see his thoughts.
I recently got promoted at work and I had to go to Woking for the interview. I asked my boss why she couldn't do it in Redhill as my work standard is so good that the promotion was a formality. She said it was not fair for her to interview me as her judgement would be viewed as bias, because she already knows that I am a nice guy. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I'd certainly keep Simon Richman in my Conference North squad.
We'll have enough on our plate without having to look for another central midfielder. He'd be fine at that level, good in fact. The last thing we want to do is invest time and resources into replacing him. Don't forget we may be two strikers down, and entering our 129371297th season without an out-and-out right winger on the books. Lets sort that out first before we get picky about players that would do a good job in the North.
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He would get in to most conference north teams midfield imo, lets hope at least one of Rankine and Reeves stays
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We banged the drum about being one of only 3 clubs in the league with no paid (non-football) employees. Small club mentality, again. Besides, I thought we had a few paid staff on the community side who worked at the football club everyday? We wouldn't judge other clubs as 2 separate entities and we shouldn't look at ourselves in such a way. While I wouldn't want to underestimate the workload that is picked up by unpaid volunteers sacrificing their time for free, we do have paid employees and (as was pointed out by someone on Saturday night) we need to stop belittling ourselves at every opportunity.
Hi Matt, I asked the question and to be honest didn't think the answer was banging the drum for sympathy or displaying a small club mentality. If we were like the other 21 clubs in the National Division and employed staff to carry out the roles currently done so voluntarily I reckon it would cost c£90k to £100k pa? We heard that the club will 'be in the black' by the end of the season, to achieve that we'd need to increase income or more likely cut the player's wage bill. That would make any hope of National League status a pipe dream frankly. Alternatively of course we could improve our cash flow and stop paying our bills. I'm not that interested in starting up 'SAFE #2'. As you say the Board accepted that plenty of things should've have been done differently and indeed better, not least communicating with us. Let's hope Saturday night was the start of that.
P.S. My understanding is that the Community Sports Hall is a registered charity, an entirely separate entity to the Football Club and has 2 permanent employees. If this isn't the case I'm sure Pete Foster will come on here and tell us.
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If the CSH turns in a profit where does excess money go?
And likewise who covers a loss?
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If the CSH turns in a profit where does excess money go?
And likewise who covers a loss?
The CSH is a separate entity. As it's a registered charity its activities are overseen by it's trustees who would decide on how to use it's funds in line with it's charitable objectives.
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1154394&subid=0
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If the CSH turns in a profit where does excess money go?
And likewise who covers a loss?
The CSH is a separate entity. As it's a registered charity its activities are overseen by it's trustees who would decide on how to use it's funds in line with it's charitable objectives.
http://beta.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1154394&subid=0
It also depends on what the profit is made from. The football club own the bar, the CSH owns the actual hall.
For example, if the 40k profit was solely made on the bar then that would be football club money. If £10k profit was bar takings then the other 30k would be "charity money".
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We banged the drum about being one of only 3 clubs in the league with no paid (non-football) employees. Small club mentality, again. Besides, I thought we had a few paid staff on the community side who worked at the football club everyday? We wouldn't judge other clubs as 2 separate entities and we shouldn't look at ourselves in such a way. While I wouldn't want to underestimate the workload that is picked up by unpaid volunteers sacrificing their time for free, we do have paid employees and (as was pointed out by someone on Saturday night) we need to stop belittling ourselves at every opportunity.
Hi Matt, I asked the question and to be honest didn't think the answer was banging the drum for sympathy or displaying a small club mentality. If we were like the other 21 clubs in the National Division and employed staff to carry out the roles currently done so voluntarily I reckon it would cost c£90k to £100k pa? We heard that the club will 'be in the black' by the end of the season, to achieve that we'd need to increase income or more likely cut the player's wage bill. That would make any hope of National League status a pipe dream frankly. Alternatively of course we could improve our cash flow and stop paying our bills. I'm not that interested in starting up 'SAFE #2'. As you say the Board accepted that plenty of things should've have been done differently and indeed better, not least communicating with us. Let's hope Saturday night was the start of that.
P.S. My understanding is that the Community Sports Hall is a registered charity, an entirely separate entity to the Football Club and has 2 permanent employees. If this isn't the case I'm sure Pete Foster will come on here and tell us.
Sorry mate, maybe I didn't phrase that very well. I wasn't intending to imply that FT staff should replace volunteers at Alty, I was questioning the claim made by the board that we are one of only 3 conf national clubs that don't have club employees. Because we do.
Just because we choose to run our stadium facilities and community work via a registered charity for admin purposes, doesn't mean we don't have paid employees working out of the club. In fact I would have thought that having two paid employees at the club, and a number of volunteers working around them, isn't particularly out of kilter with a lot of other similar sized conf clubs?
I actually think it's great that we are now at a stage where we can have paid staff at the club. We should stop belittling ourselves by pretending we don't.
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I think it's time to think about putting the ticket prices up. A £1-2 increase would raise cash that could replace TV money we won't be getting.
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Do you not think its pretty expensive already ?
Hopefully prices will be froze
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Do you not think its pretty expensive already ?
Hopefully prices will be froze
£14 to stand is just about OK at national level but any increase would probably be unnaceptable to a lot of people - £15 for 6th tier football is just too much and will put off floating fans. Next season will see a considerable drop in total attendances (fewer casual supporters, significantly lower away support, 2 fewer home games) and a corresponding drop in gate income, but against that there'll be a drop in player costs (you'd expect) and lower travel costs. Perhaps the books will balance without the need for price rises.
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Do you not think its pretty expensive already ?
Hopefully prices will be froze
£14 to stand is just about OK at national level but any increase would probably be unnaceptable to a lot of people - £15 for 6th tier football is just too much and will put off floating fans. Next season will see a considerable drop in total attendances (fewer casual supporters, significantly lower away support, 2 fewer home games) and a corresponding drop in gate income, but against that there'll be a drop in player costs (you'd expect) and lower travel costs. Perhaps the books will balance without the need for price rises.
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I'm not quite sure how much we gained from the meeting, the board answered the questions posed though. There was no discussion about what the club requires going forward, the Chairman said if anyone had an ideas that they could approach him but what help do the club need? A list was posted on the main site recently asking for help with manual tasks but I wonder if there are any admin, fundraising, coordination or community tasks that the club needs help with. For example I may have the time to assist and/or lead on a project but not necessarily have the time to think of one and produce an outline plan, likewise there may be people with IT skills but no DIY skills. Could a member of the board sort this out?
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Do you not think its pretty expensive already ?
Hopefully prices will be froze
£14 to stand is just about OK at national level but any increase would probably be unnaceptable to a lot of people - £15 for 6th tier football is just too much and will put off floating fans. Next season will see a considerable drop in total attendances (fewer casual supporters, significantly lower away support, 2 fewer home games) and a corresponding drop in gate income, but against that there'll be a drop in player costs (you'd expect) and lower travel costs. Perhaps the books will balance without the need for price rises.
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No I don't think it's pretty expensive. I paid £20 to watch a Division 2 match the other week. Macclesfield charge £19 on the gate, County charge £15. If we want to have a team worth watching the money has to come from somewhere. A small increase wouldn't be the end of the world.
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Increasing the gate fee would be a backwards step. All the hard work to attract new fans would be undone straightaway, you may be able to afford it but a lot of people won't pay it.
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I think an increase to £15 would be okay for a Conference National team, so for me prices definitely should be frozen next season.
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Increasing the gate fee would be a backwards step. All the hard work to attract new fans would be undone straightaway, you may be able to afford it but a lot of people won't pay it.
I agree as we have done something right to get nearly 1,400 people to watch us play relegated Welling, who do not have a following.
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I think at the moment we've got a job on to keep people watching us next season without any raise in prices tbh.
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I was talking to my non-Alty going mate the other day and he asked me how much entry was, when I said £14 he nearly spat his beer out. "For 5th tier football that's outrageous" was the reply. When I told him that was one of the cheapest in the league he was flabbergasted. He's the kind of person that you'd want to attract as a floating fan. Increasing the price is only going to turn people away when we should be doing all we can to get them through the gate.
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May be an idea to bring back those free U12 / U16 tickets that we used to put in the Messenger / Leisure Centre. We need to retain these fresh faces next season and it'll be tough to do so in a lower division. We should be throwing the kitchen sink at it and doing all we can.
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May be an idea to bring back those free U12 / U16 tickets that we used to put in the Messenger / Leisure Centre. We need to retain these fresh faces next season and it'll be tough to do so in a lower division. We should be throwing the kitchen sink at it and doing all we can.
Didn't you or someone else ask this exact question and the board say it costs money.
However, I think that there could be a way around it by having a few shops in the town centre/timperley village or schools that distribute it.
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It was me Jack. £100 (iirc) every week for the free tickets because of the new owners/publishers of the paper.
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Hi guys the club should approach the Hale Altrincham and Sale Independent which goes out free to thousands every month and is free in most major supermarkets, some sort of ticket scheme or voucher collection would be good, and I know there rates are much better than the messenger.
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Do we have teachers in our fan base?
If the club sent them tickets they could set up a distribution point in their schools?
Or a downloadable ticket from our website?
Or EVEN - and godforbid we go high-tech - could we tweet out something and let kids show it on their smart phones....
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I was talking to my non-Alty going mate the other day and he asked me how much entry was, when I said £14 he nearly spat his beer out. "For 5th tier football that's outrageous" was the reply. When I told him that was one of the cheapest in the league he was flabbergasted. He's the kind of person that you'd want to attract as a floating fan. Increasing the price is only going to turn people away when we should be doing all we can to get them through the gate.
People like that are presumably City/United fans who watch the match on TV at the pub or when someone offers them a ticket to Etihad/OT. It is outrageous yes but that is the going rate for football in England and it's a rip off at all levels. It's around 60 quid to watch City or United away at any of the London sides (until next season at least). People like this unfortunately have utterly no grasp of the way football is run and priced in this country.
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Yes I agree, people who balk at paying £14 would really only want to pay 6 or 7 or at most 10 which would put us at a big loss