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Title: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: VofD on April 16, 2016, 05:27:54 PM
and cancel the season's players presentations next Saturday ( when we could have been relegated or on the verge of relegation) and use that time to extend the fans forum to allow more questions, after this abysmal league campaign. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Garrincha on April 16, 2016, 05:38:36 PM
As much as I like the sound of this I would still like to have a moment of recognition on Saturday for Tim Deasy's efforts considering the shower he's had in front of him all season.

Also for the record if you voted anyone other than Tim you want your head examining
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Big van vader on April 16, 2016, 05:38:50 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: GB Alty on April 16, 2016, 05:39:40 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
then why did he jump ship?
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: robininstockport on April 16, 2016, 05:42:04 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate


We will never know.

Personally I think not
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Darren on April 16, 2016, 05:43:22 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
then why did he jump ship?

Probably didn't want the word "Relagated" on his CV
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Big van vader on April 16, 2016, 05:46:38 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
then why did he jump ship?
I'm not sure he did pall
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: GB Alty on April 16, 2016, 05:50:11 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
then why did he jump ship?
I'm not sure he did pall
Where did he go then?
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Big van vader on April 16, 2016, 05:53:36 PM
Ls would have kept us up mate
then why did he jump ship?
I'm not sure he did pall
Where did he go then?
I get your point but I rekon he was sackd
Any way we ain't down yet
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: VofD on April 16, 2016, 06:45:38 PM
To get back on subject, should we have awards ceremonies next week in view of our predicament.

Leave LS ( history now) out of it. >:( >:(
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: GB Alty on April 16, 2016, 06:48:13 PM
To get back on subject, should we have awards ceremonies next week in view of our predicament.

Leave LS ( history now) out of it. >:( >:(
of course not
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: George Heslops Moustache on April 16, 2016, 06:55:07 PM
To get back on subject, should we have awards ceremonies next week in view of our predicament.

Leave LS ( history now) out of it. >:( >:(

Bit rich of you to moan about threads going off subject.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Big van vader on April 16, 2016, 07:05:08 PM
I'm so glad fans have such a sense of humour going down
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Romeo 48 on April 16, 2016, 07:05:28 PM
The only award half of this squad deserve is a P45.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Forza Alty on April 17, 2016, 01:21:01 AM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: GolfRoader on April 17, 2016, 02:25:46 AM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.

Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now. Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Toff Apple on April 17, 2016, 07:14:43 AM
What worries me is the view on the radio over the last two games that there have been arguments between the players and the bench, doesn't sound like motivational to me
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on April 17, 2016, 09:29:44 AM
I heard that on the radio yesterday. Neil Tolson shouldn't be castigated, it's human nature to believe you can achieve something. But he should never have been put in the position to take the role. Not because he's Neil Tolson or whoever else, but because It had clearly gone stale and needed completely fresh impetus, everyone could see that, but we only pay to watch it every week, what do we know. We can't cancel the end of season do as its a vital fundraiser and we will need the money to try and get out of what's shaping up to be the strongest conference north line up since its inception. That said in current mood id rather we all paid a tenner in to match what's taken st one of these events and say here's Deaseys player of the season award, here's moults goals of the season and award and then sit down and sort this mess out rather than piss around horse racing. I really hope someone has been sounded out for the managers job, and is working behind the scenes already otherwise we are going to be playing catch up again like last time we went down.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: ToffeeBlue on April 17, 2016, 09:32:49 AM
Thanks for a sensible point of view.  Would just substitute Ginnelly for Moult - goal of the season......
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: brian1925 on April 17, 2016, 10:21:03 AM
I heard that on the radio yesterday. Neil Tolson shouldn't be castigated, it's human nature to believe you can achieve something. But he should never have been put in the position to take the role. Not because he's Neil Tolson or whoever else, but because It had clearly gone stale and needed completely fresh impetus, everyone could see that, but we only pay to watch it every week, what do we know. We can't cancel the end of season do as its a vital fundraiser and we will need the money to try and get out of what's shaping up to be the strongest conference north line up since its inception. That said in current mood id rather we all paid a tenner in to match what's taken st one of these events and say here's Deaseys player of the season award, here's moults goals of the season and award and then sit down and sort this mess out rather than piss around horse racing. I really hope someone has been sounded out for the managers job, and is working behind the scenes already otherwise we are going to be playing catch up again like last time we went down.

This.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: finnquark on April 17, 2016, 10:44:53 AM
It was obviously bleak yesterday, but probably the worst two elements were:

1) Lack of fight - people have been saying it for ages (possibly since Sinnott's first season) but we had no grit or fight, especially after going a goal down. It's understandable because confidence must be shot, but it was so predictable (as we all said on commentary) what would happen from about the 50th minute. We had a reasonable start and then Eastleigh turned the screw. Nothing to be too annoyed about in and of itself, losing at Eastleigh, but it was a horrible feeling watching the same old things play out for the umpteenth time.

2) As a couple of you have said, the atmosphere between players was pretty bad in the second half. Again, nothing inherently wrong with Rankine being aggressive when someone has made a mistake, but only if it is productive, and yesterday it clearly wasn't. Ginnelly had a right go at Havern after the second goal went in.

Overall, it was just so stagnant. Lawrie and Moult doing a 90 minute shift in centre mid against Reason, Coulson, Drury and Strevens was always going to end badly.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Jimmy on April 17, 2016, 10:59:49 AM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.

Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now.id Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them
in life Iv never gone for a job I'm not remotely qualified for
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: wayno on April 17, 2016, 11:57:50 AM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.

Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now.id Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them
in life Iv never gone for a job I'm not remotely qualified for
agreed and alarm bells should have rung loud when he said he did not know if he could keep us up .. its like saying lets go into this battle but i think we may lose .. sod that .. if you dont believe its possible neither do i .. im off
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Uncle Globnasty on April 17, 2016, 01:49:48 PM
Nepotism central.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: TheCultOfIanTunnacliffe on April 17, 2016, 05:25:21 PM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.


Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation
and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now. Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them


But hadn't Tolson been the assistant manager of this "clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation"?

To my mind, the responsibility for our current wretched predicament rests equally with both Sinnott & Tolson for their mismanagement of this season.

Hence the reason that the path of continuity chosen by our chairman was entirely the wrong route to take when Sinnott departed.


Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: AFC56 on April 17, 2016, 07:13:26 PM
I have a feeling that Neil Tolson was appointed because of his community hall links. It was a lazy and ultimately wrong decision and we have paid the price. I like Tolson, think he is a good guy, but looking at his record at Hyde United and his open admission that he is a coach not a manager means that I wouldn't have appointed him in a million years. The footballing decisions made by management and board this season have been ludicrous. From the summer signings of O'Keefe , Griffith etc to the ridiculous decision made by the board with ten games left. My concern now is that we'll start next year with Tolson in charge because we've dropped down to the North. The board at alty do plenty right but I feel the eye has been taken off the main focus, which at every football club should be the football team. This impending relegation was so avoidable.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: MadFrankie on April 17, 2016, 07:18:19 PM
Agree with that AFC56. Starting next season with Tolson in charge will be unacceptable. Out of interest, what is his role in the CSH?
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on April 17, 2016, 07:21:12 PM
Starting next season in whatever league without a change in manager will see plenty of WAGS Dancing for joy because there's plenty seriously considering not bothering, and that's only in the small circle I socialise with..
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: AFC56 on April 17, 2016, 08:42:25 PM
Agree with that AFC56. Starting next season with Tolson in charge will be unacceptable. Out of interest, what is his role in the CSH?

Not sure of his exact role other than he seems to be involved running the community football for kids weeks that utilise the csh facility. Its other things like being down in the mornings on matchdays helping move pitch covers and the like that I think may have influenced the decision to keep him on at the club after Lee's departure. He's obviously a good egg , but this is altrincham fc and we need the best possible manager we can get.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Cheadle Hulme Alty on April 17, 2016, 10:15:49 PM
Agree with that AFC56. Starting next season with Tolson in charge will be unacceptable. Out of interest, what is his role in the CSH?

Not sure of his exact role other than he seems to be involved running the community football for kids weeks that utilise the csh facility. Its other things like being down in the mornings on matchdays helping move pitch covers and the like that I think may have influenced the decision to keep him on at the club after Lee's departure. He's obviously a good egg , but this is altrincham fc and we need the best possible manager we can get.

Isn't this exactly how Graham Heathcote made himself secure from the sack by doing plenty of other jobs around the club? If Tolson doesn't have another job away from the club, which I believe to be the case, I can't imagine the Chairman will be prepared to put him on the dole.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Ballers on April 17, 2016, 10:29:54 PM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.

Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now.id Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them
in life Iv never gone for a job I'm not remotely qualified for

You would've if you knew you were guaranteed to get the job though Jim...
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: GB Alty on April 17, 2016, 10:31:23 PM
Starting next season in whatever league without a change in manager will see plenty of WAGS Dancing for joy because there's plenty seriously considering not bothering, and that's only in the small circle I socialise with..
I thought they were up in arms because you wouldn't be going to the football
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Ballers on April 17, 2016, 10:54:05 PM
I have a feeling that Neil Tolson was appointed because of his community hall links. It was a lazy and ultimately wrong decision and we have paid the price. I like Tolson, think he is a good guy, but looking at his record at Hyde United and his open admission that he is a coach not a manager means that I wouldn't have appointed him in a million years. The footballing decisions made by management and board this season have been ludicrous. From the summer signings of O'Keefe , Griffith etc to the ridiculous decision made by the board with ten games left. My concern now is that we'll start next year with Tolson in charge because we've dropped down to the North. The board at alty do plenty right but I feel the eye has been taken off the main focus, which at every football club should be the football team. This impending relegation was so avoidable.

A very fair and concise summing up. You have to ask if we'd advertised the position and a manager with Tolson's record has applied would he have been anywhere near being appointed?

You also touching on the summer signings. I lost confidence with the Griffith signing. Not because of what transpired but aside from the fact we were signing a player who'd only played twice in 2016 or whatever it was (and alarm bells really should have rung!) but we were signing a player who even his best references of his peak years said he could run but not pass to save his life. Now we signed him because he was available and he was our late signing but replacing Cavanagh we effectively changed our whole way of playing by removing our passing holding midfielder just because Griffith was available.

Was this planned? Was it always what we were looking for? It just struck me as odd and indicative that perhaps we weren't as clear headed as we needed to be at all.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Hale Alty on April 18, 2016, 10:52:42 AM
Surely the reason Neil Tolson was appointed was that he was already on a contract and to let him go would have required paying him off. Lee Sinnott resigned so no pay off required.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: im not really here on April 18, 2016, 11:24:37 AM
Lee Sinnott and Neil Tolson weren't under contracts, as revealed by Lee Sinnott himself. There is no logical reason for giving him the job, though I wait for the Chairman to surprise us with one.
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Jimmy on April 18, 2016, 12:56:50 PM
I think we should club together and present Tolson with a day saver so that he can get on the bus and f**k off out of here.

Bit harsh to have a go at Tolson. He did what he could with a clearly demoralised squad that had resigned itself to relegation and even said he couldn't promise anything when he took the job. I do believe that Lee would have done just enough to keep our heads above water but we will never know now.id Anyway all we are doing is delaying the inevitable, a win at home to Welling would be moderately annoying actually as I'd feel obliged to get down to Braintree to support the lads where I'd be extremely surprised to see us get a result.

But whilst we're still fighting I'll be behind them
in life Iv never gone for a job I'm not remotely qualified for

You would've if you knew you were guaranteed to get the job though Jim...
i wouldn't Ballers I'd have more self respect
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Mrs Warbouys on April 18, 2016, 04:22:19 PM
Dagenham have just cancelled their end of season do
Title: Re: Let's do an Aston Villa
Post by: Darren on April 18, 2016, 04:32:41 PM
Berstien now left Villa